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[jobarules]

That being said, we cannot allow continued uncontrolled spread and expect this virus to just mutate itself away. It's clear that the vax-and-forget-it strategy that we (collectively) have hitched our wagon to is not going to end this.

That's not the goal. And if it was the goal, it would be unachievable regardless of what we do.

Right. Nothing we can do to stop spread. Just let it burn. Working great so far, huh? Just look at the last paragraph of my post. Of COURSE it is achievable. It's not achievable with a vax-and-forget-it approach. That I agree with.

ETA: I do agree it's currently not the goal. That's kind of my point. We have the wrong goal.

I think it is working pretty great so far, yes. I mean, obviously "great" isn't the right word, but I think we landed in a pretty good spot where we've struck approximately the right balance between mitigating the damage of an endemic disease vs. allowing people to live their lives. Vax-and-forget is more or less the right policy IMO.

Then we disagree on that. Your opinion is that Covid-19 is now endemic?

Yeah, obviously. Covid isn't going away. It isn't going to be eradicated, and it's just going to keep circulating. No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that, so we should just get on with it.

I don't care if epidemiologists use the word "endemic" in more a more technical way. I'm just speaking colloquially here.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, IK, and maybe I am misunderstanding you. You seem to be hung up on the idea that there are 2 outcomes here. Let it rip and live with it (which is what we are doing now) or complete eradication (which neither I nor anyone else has advocated for in this thread that I have seen). Because in my mind there are certainly steps between what we are doing now and "wishful thinking" to help "tame" (to borrow Doug's word) Covid to an endemic, perhaps one PREDICTABLE wave per year, level. It has been neither once or a year nor predictable. That is my larger point.

Thats not what endemic means

 

[AAABatteries]

I have no idea why my post was deleted. It was 100% factual. VAERS does NOT record lot numbers. That information is NOT readily available. It's a fable a by Johnson who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

Just more of the "I have a theory but no proof" shtick.

Maybe it wouldn’t have gotten deleted if you included a link to a random death and said it was due to the Covid vaccine.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

That being said, we cannot allow continued uncontrolled spread and expect this virus to just mutate itself away. It's clear that the vax-and-forget-it strategy that we (collectively) have hitched our wagon to is not going to end this.

That's not the goal. And if it was the goal, it would be unachievable regardless of what we do.

Right. Nothing we can do to stop spread. Just let it burn. Working great so far, huh? Just look at the last paragraph of my post. Of COURSE it is achievable. It's not achievable with a vax-and-forget-it approach. That I agree with.

ETA: I do agree it's currently not the goal. That's kind of my point. We have the wrong goal.

I think it is working pretty great so far, yes. I mean, obviously "great" isn't the right word, but I think we landed in a pretty good spot where we've struck approximately the right balance between mitigating the damage of an endemic disease vs. allowing people to live their lives. Vax-and-forget is more or less the right policy IMO.

Then we disagree on that. Your opinion is that Covid-19 is now endemic?

Yeah, obviously. Covid isn't going away. It isn't going to be eradicated, and it's just going to keep circulating. No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that, so we should just get on with it.

I don't care if epidemiologists use the word "endemic" in more a more technical way. I'm just speaking colloquially here.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, IK, and maybe I am misunderstanding you. You seem to be hung up on the idea that there are 2 outcomes here. Let it rip and live with it (which is what we are doing now) or complete eradication (which neither I nor anyone else has advocated for in this thread that I have seen). Because in my mind there are certainly steps between what we are doing now and "wishful thinking" to help "tame" (to borrow Doug's word) Covid to an endemic, perhaps one PREDICTABLE wave per year, level. It has been neither once or a year nor predictable. That is my larger point.

Thats not what endemic means

Of course it is. When it becomes "seasonal" at acceptable levels. We aren't at either of those metrics right now, IMO. But I'm not the one that declares pandemic or not either. I'm just saying that the official declaration, and all the doctors that I read, follow, etc. seem to be in agreement that it is still very much pandemic. You didn't answer either of my earlier questions. What doctors are saying endemic right now. And what trends, etc are actuaries using to pronounce it as endemic? I'm legit interested in seeing them if you have sources or wisdom you can share.

 

[LawFitz]

Preprint study in Circulation points to elevated levels of free-floating spike proteins being correlated with myocarditis...

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epdf/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025

RESULTS: Extensive antibody profiling and T-cell responses in the individuals who developed postvaccine myocarditis were essentially indistinguishable from those of vaccinated control subjects, despite a modest increase in cytokine production. A notable finding was that markedly elevated levels of full-length spike protein (33.9±22.4 pg/mL), unbound by antibodies, were detected in the plasma of individuals with postvaccine myocarditis, whereas no free spike was detected in asymptomatic vaccinated control subjects

• Adolescents and young adults who developed myocarditis after severe respiratory syndrome coronavirus disease 2 (SARS-CoV-2) mRNA vaccination display persistently elevated circulating levels of full-length Spike protein, unbound by antibodies.
• No evidence of autoantibody production, concomitant viral infections, or excessive antibody responses to the anti–SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines was identified in postvaccine myocarditis cases.

Interesting. We'll have to see if/when this is studied further why some individuals are experiencing more free-floating Spike proteins, while others aren't - especially important if there is a causal effect at play with post-vax myocarditis events... I've long suspected lack of aspiration during injection could be an underlying cause of vax injury - i.e. some peeps are inadvertently receiving injections into circulatory vessels rather than muscle tissue, causing Spike production throughout the body, rather than only at the injection site. This study perhaps sheds some new light upon that hypothesis.

 

[LawFitz]

Here's a bit more on the aspiration (or lack thereof) angle...

To aspirate or not to aspirate? Considerations for the COVID-19 vaccines - PubMed

Syringe aspiration when vaccinating intramuscularly was not recommended before the pandemic due to the lack of conclusive evidence that it provides any benefit. However, in vivo evidence suggests that intravenous injection of mRNA vaccine can potentially lead to myocarditis, while introducing...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Abstract​

Syringe aspiration when vaccinating intramuscularly was not recommended before the pandemic due to the lack of conclusive evidence that it provides any benefit. However, in vivo evidence suggests that intravenous injection of mRNA vaccine can potentially lead to myocarditis, while introducing adenoviral vector to bloodstream can possibly result in thrombocytopenia and coagulopathy. These rare reactions were recorded in humans following the administration of the COVID-19 vaccines. Although the syringe aspiration may increase the level of pain at the injection site, it represents a simple technique to decrease the risk of vaccine introduction into the vascular system and potentially decrease the risk of severe reactions to mRNA and adenoviral vaccines. We are of the opinion that this cannot be disregarded if one considers that the COVID-19 vaccines will continue to be administrated globally in the form of initial and booster doses. Therefore, the aspiration when giving mRNA and adenoviral vaccines appears to be fully in line with the precautionary principle.

 

[jobarules]

That being said, we cannot allow continued uncontrolled spread and expect this virus to just mutate itself away. It's clear that the vax-and-forget-it strategy that we (collectively) have hitched our wagon to is not going to end this.

That's not the goal. And if it was the goal, it would be unachievable regardless of what we do.

Right. Nothing we can do to stop spread. Just let it burn. Working great so far, huh? Just look at the last paragraph of my post. Of COURSE it is achievable. It's not achievable with a vax-and-forget-it approach. That I agree with.

ETA: I do agree it's currently not the goal. That's kind of my point. We have the wrong goal.

I think it is working pretty great so far, yes. I mean, obviously "great" isn't the right word, but I think we landed in a pretty good spot where we've struck approximately the right balance between mitigating the damage of an endemic disease vs. allowing people to live their lives. Vax-and-forget is more or less the right policy IMO.

Then we disagree on that. Your opinion is that Covid-19 is now endemic?

Yeah, obviously. Covid isn't going away. It isn't going to be eradicated, and it's just going to keep circulating. No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that, so we should just get on with it.

I don't care if epidemiologists use the word "endemic" in more a more technical way. I'm just speaking colloquially here.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, IK, and maybe I am misunderstanding you. You seem to be hung up on the idea that there are 2 outcomes here. Let it rip and live with it (which is what we are doing now) or complete eradication (which neither I nor anyone else has advocated for in this thread that I have seen). Because in my mind there are certainly steps between what we are doing now and "wishful thinking" to help "tame" (to borrow Doug's word) Covid to an endemic, perhaps one PREDICTABLE wave per year, level. It has been neither once or a year nor predictable. That is my larger point.

Thats not what endemic means

Of course it is. When it becomes "seasonal" at acceptable levels. We aren't at either of those metrics right now, IMO. But I'm not the one that declares pandemic or not either. I'm just saying that the official declaration, and all the doctors that I read, follow, etc. seem to be in agreement that it is still very much pandemic. You didn't answer either of my earlier questions. What doctors are saying endemic right now. And what trends, etc are actuaries using to pronounce it as endemic? I'm legit interested in seeing them if you have sources or wisdom you can share.

My own companies pricing practices are doing so.

 

[The Commish]

Preprint study in Circulation points to elevated levels of free-floating spike proteins being correlated with myocarditis...

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epdf/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025

RESULTS: Extensive antibody profiling and T-cell responses in the individuals who developed postvaccine myocarditis were essentially indistinguishable from those of vaccinated control subjects, despite a modest increase in cytokine production. A notable finding was that markedly elevated levels of full-length spike protein (33.9±22.4 pg/mL), unbound by antibodies, were detected in the plasma of individuals with postvaccine myocarditis, whereas no free spike was detected in asymptomatic vaccinated control subjects

• Adolescents and young adults who developed myocarditis after severe respiratory syndrome coronavirus disease 2 (SARS-CoV-2) mRNA vaccination display persistently elevated circulating levels of full-length Spike protein, unbound by antibodies.
• No evidence of autoantibody production, concomitant viral infections, or excessive antibody responses to the anti–SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines was identified in postvaccine myocarditis cases.

Interesting. We'll have to see if/when this is studied further why some individuals are experiencing more free-floating Spike proteins, while others aren't - especially important if there is a causal effect at play with post-vax myocarditis events... I've long suspected lack of aspiration during injection could be an underlying cause of vax injury - i.e. some peeps are inadvertently receiving injections into circulatory vessels rather than muscle tissue, causing Spike production throughout the body, rather than only at the injection site. This study perhaps sheds some new light upon that hypothesis.

And what DNA instructions in the human body would be responsible for the instruction to the cells to create new COVID spike proteins in your "hypothesis"?

 

[LawFitz]

And what DNA instructions in the human body would be responsible for the instruction to the cells to create new COVID spike proteins in your "hypothesis"?

Keep wondering why your posts are being ignored and/or deleted.

 

[Doug B]

As we are seeing now with XBB.1.5 here and BF7, IIRC, in China, and BQ1 in the UK, variants don't have to be worse (i.e. directly causing clinically more severe infections/hospitalizations) in the sense of causing large scale problems.

I won't speak to the other two without reading up ... but I'm not aware of XBB.1.5 causing large-scale problems in the U.S.. It might come down to a definition of "large scale", admittedly.

In general and AIUI, a new COVID variant becoming the new dominant variant is not in and of itself problematic -- not unless the new dominant variant produces significantly different health outcomes among a population. I don't agree with the sensationalism of the popular press reporting items such as "Variant X was only 4% of the cases a month ago, but now it's 75% of the cases!" Again AIUI ... that's what respiratory viruses do as a matter of course.

 

[Doug B]

There are at least two competing definitions of "endemic" kind of butting heads out there. One is from within epidemiology, the other is a more general popular definition.

Columbia University School of Public Health sez:

WHAT IS AN EPIDEMIC?​

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) describes an epidemic as an unexpected increase in the number of disease cases in a specific geographical area. Yellow fever, smallpox, measles, and polio are prime examples of epidemics. An epidemic disease doesn't necessarily have to be contagious. West Nile fever and the rapid increase in obesity rates are also considered epidemics. Epidemics can refer to a disease or other specific health-related behavior (e.g., smoking) with rates that are clearly above the expected occurrence in a community or region.

WHAT IS A PANDEMIC?​

The World Health Organization (WHO) declares a pandemic when a disease’s growth is exponential. This means the growth rate skyrockets, and each day cases grow more than the day prior. In being declared a pandemic, the virus has nothing to do with virology, population immunity, or disease severity. It means a virus covers a wide area, affecting several countries and populations.

WHAT DOES ENDEMIC MEAN?​

A disease outbreak is endemic when it is consistently present but limited to a particular region. This makes the disease spread and rates predictable. Malaria, for example, is considered endemic in certain countries and regions.

Merriam-Webster sez:

endemic​

adjective
en·dem·ic en-ˈde-mik

1 a : belonging or native to a particular people or country
b: characteristic of or prevalent in a particular field, area, or environment

problems endemic to translation​

the self-indulgence endemic in the film industry​

2: restricted or peculiar to a locality or region

endemic diseases​

an endemic species​

A lot of times when we in this thread talk about endemic status, we're using M-W's definition 1b (characteristic of or prevalent in a particular field, area, or environment). I think of it as akin to the concept of "background radiation" -- it's just always there, but not necessarily impactful or even of notice.

The epidemiological definition of "endemic" seems to indicate that a pathogen's range is geographically restricted, which for sure isn't true of COVID.

Neither definition seems to require seasonality -- although seasonality is a good indication that a pathogen is prevalent in a particular environment, just always out there and not going away.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It's only endemic if it comes from the Endemic region of France. Otherwise it's just sparkling covid.

 

[jobarules]

Neither definition seems to require seasonality --

Exactly

 

[Doug B]

That kind of lends itself to my larger point, which is, in times of uncontrolled spread, there should be extra measures weaved into living normal life, IMHO, and we are not doing that. And I'm talking population level here. It seems that more of a sliding-scale of recommendations/actions would do wonders.

I'm going to thread the needle a bit here: As the outcomes and risks of uncontrolled spread abate, the extra measures weaved into normal life will be practiced by progressively fewer and fewer people. As I see it, it's not uncontrolled spread in itself that's the issue -- it's a given level of infirmity that uncontrolled spread may or may not yield. The society-wide vote right now, for better or worse, is that we can tolerate the level of infirmity that uncontrolled COVID spread is currently causing.

 

[nirad3]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

 

[LawFitz]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

 

[-fish-]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

What is the basis of your hesitancy? Seems like if you're trying to be as cautious as possible it's a no brainer.

 

[jobarules]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

 

[LawFitz]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

Thanks. Curious, how do 2021 and 2022 compare to 2009-2019?

 

[jobarules]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

Thanks. Curious, how do 2021 and 2022 compare to 2009-2019?

2009 was really bad as it was one year after great recession

Some of that leaked into 2010, 2011, 2012 but generally speaking all those years were in line with expectations. 2020 great year, 2021 horrible year. 2022 pretty much back to normalcy.

 

[The Commish]

And what DNA instructions in the human body would be responsible for the instruction to the cells to create new COVID spike proteins in your "hypothesis"?

Keep wondering why your posts are being ignored and/or deleted.

I will....want to answer the question? What you are asserting requires exactly what I am asking about or maybe you didn't/don't know that?

 

[LawFitz]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

Thanks. Curious, how do 2021 and 2022 compare to 2009-2019?

2009 was really bad as it was one year after great recession

Some of that leaked into 2010, 2011, 2012 but generally speaking all those years were in line with expectations. 2020 great year, 2021 horrible year. 2022 pretty much back to normalcy.

This appears to be the chart Deace was referring to... It seems to contradict your last statement re: 2022.

Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over (LNU02074597) from Jun 2008 to Aug 2025 about disability, 16 years +, household survey, employment, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

 

[-fish-]

The battle of discredited quacks is on! Malone calls McCullogh a grifter for his vitamin/supplement snake oil.

 

[The Commish]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

FWIW....I just did the first round and the first booster. I work from home and have minimal exposure even here in the COVID petri dish of Florida. Haven't had COVID yet.

 

[The Commish]

The battle of discredited quacks is on! Malone calls McCullogh a grifter for his vitamin/supplement snake oil.

<-----most appropriate use of this emoji ever in the history of this forum

 

[LawFitz]

And what DNA instructions in the human body would be responsible for the instruction to the cells to create new COVID spike proteins in your "hypothesis"?

Keep wondering why your posts are being ignored and/or deleted.

I will....want to answer the question? What you are asserting requires exactly what I am asking about or maybe you didn't/don't know that?

Read the study. I linked it and it's peer reviewed. Free Spike proteins abound for the myocarditis group. I've offered my guess as to why. Or as you stated with your typical condescension, my "hypothesis."

 

[jobarules]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

Thanks. Curious, how do 2021 and 2022 compare to 2009-2019?

2009 was really bad as it was one year after great recession

Some of that leaked into 2010, 2011, 2012 but generally speaking all those years were in line with expectations. 2020 great year, 2021 horrible year. 2022 pretty much back to normalcy.

This appears to be the chart Deace was referring to... It seems to contradict your last statement re: 2022.

Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over (LNU02074597) from Jun 2008 to Aug 2025 about disability, 16 years +, household survey, employment, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

I have no idea what that chart is showing. Im talking real disability claims data

 

[LawFitz]

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youtu.be

"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

Thanks. Curious, how do 2021 and 2022 compare to 2009-2019?

2009 was really bad as it was one year after great recession

Some of that leaked into 2010, 2011, 2012 but generally speaking all those years were in line with expectations. 2020 great year, 2021 horrible year. 2022 pretty much back to normalcy.

This appears to be the chart Deace was referring to... It seems to contradict your last statement re: 2022.

Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over (LNU02074597) from Jun 2008 to Aug 2025 about disability, 16 years +, household survey, employment, and USA.

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I have no idea what that chart is showing. Im talking real disability claims data

Looks like it comes from the BLS household survey...

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Release: Employment Situation


Units: Thousands of Persons, Not Seasonally Adjusted

Frequency: Monthly

The series comes from the 'Current Population Survey (Household Survey)'

The source code is: LNU02074597

Suggested Citation:​

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over [LNU02074597], retrieved from FRED, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis; https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU02074597, January 19, 2023.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

The battle of discredited quacks is on! Malone calls McCullogh a grifter for his vitamin/supplement snake oil.

Oh, what's this? Got a link? (PM if you don't want to post here, which is understandable )

 

[jobarules]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

Thanks. Curious, how do 2021 and 2022 compare to 2009-2019?

2009 was really bad as it was one year after great recession

Some of that leaked into 2010, 2011, 2012 but generally speaking all those years were in line with expectations. 2020 great year, 2021 horrible year. 2022 pretty much back to normalcy.

This appears to be the chart Deace was referring to... It seems to contradict your last statement re: 2022.

Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over (LNU02074597) from Jun 2008 to Aug 2025 about disability, 16 years +, household survey, employment, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

I have no idea what that chart is showing. Im talking real disability claims data

Looks like it comes from the BLS household survey...

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Release: Employment Situation


Units: Thousands of Persons, Not Seasonally Adjusted

Frequency: Monthly

The series comes from the 'Current Population Survey (Household Survey)'

The source code is: LNU02074597

Suggested Citation:​

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over [LNU02074597], retrieved from FRED, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis; https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU02074597, January 19, 2023.

Thank God we dont do experience studies based on household surveys

 

[Scoresman]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

Pretty sure there is plenty of data out there that shows waning immunity if boosters aren't kept up with. I'm sure a lot of other posters have this specific data readily available. I would think that would be reason enough.

 

[nirad3]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

What is the basis of your hesitancy? Seems like if you're trying to be as cautious as possible it's a no brainer.

The fact that some fairly competent sources are questioning whether or not the vaccines are causing more issues than the relative positive benefits.

I'd like to think that my completely mild case of COVID (I barely could tell I was sick, just felt tired for a day but that's normal anyways) was due to being vaxxed/boosted, but who's to say?

Like, maybe in 2 years they discover the vaccines ARE causing health problems? Do I just continue on without the 2nd booster and hope that a second (or third or fourth or fifth) case of COVID is still fairly mild? At this point it sounds like most that get it have cold-like symptoms only.

So yes, I'm cautious, but I'm starting to have caution/hesitancy as to the possible negative aspects of the vaccines. I think I'd rather just wait and see how things go over the course of the next several months.

 

[AAABatteries]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

What is the basis of your hesitancy? Seems like if you're trying to be as cautious as possible it's a no brainer.

The fact that some fairly competent sources are questioning whether or not the vaccines are causing more issues than the relative positive benefits.

I'd like to think that my completely mild case of COVID (I barely could tell I was sick, just felt tired for a day but that's normal anyways) was due to being vaxxed/boosted, but who's to say?

Like, maybe in 2 years they discover the vaccines ARE causing health problems? Do I just continue on without the 2nd booster and hope that a second (or third or fourth or fifth) case of COVID is still fairly mild? At this point it sounds like most that get it have cold-like symptoms only.

So yes, I'm cautious, but I'm starting to have caution/hesitancy as to the possible negative aspects of the vaccines. I think I'd rather just wait and see how things go over the course of the next several months.

Just my two cents, from someone who also debated and did research about getting boosters.

1. And most important, IMO, consultant your physician. Everybody is unique and part of their job should be to help advise you on this decision.

2. The unknown of 2-x years out is a somewhat valid concern but it’s a concern for long COVID as much as the vaccines. If anything, we have a lot more evidence of long term issues with a bad Covid infection than we do with the vaccines.

Good luck.

 

[nirad3]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

What is the basis of your hesitancy? Seems like if you're trying to be as cautious as possible it's a no brainer.

The fact that some fairly competent sources are questioning whether or not the vaccines are causing more issues than the relative positive benefits.

I'd like to think that my completely mild case of COVID (I barely could tell I was sick, just felt tired for a day but that's normal anyways) was due to being vaxxed/boosted, but who's to say?

Like, maybe in 2 years they discover the vaccines ARE causing health problems? Do I just continue on without the 2nd booster and hope that a second (or third or fourth or fifth) case of COVID is still fairly mild? At this point it sounds like most that get it have cold-like symptoms only.

So yes, I'm cautious, but I'm starting to have caution/hesitancy as to the possible negative aspects of the vaccines. I think I'd rather just wait and see how things go over the course of the next several months.

Just my two cents, from someone who also debated and did research about getting boosters.

1. And most important, IMO, consultant your physician. Everybody is unique and part of their job should be to help advise you on this decision.

2. The unknown of 2-x years out is a somewhat valid concern but it’s a concern for long COVID as much as the vaccines. If anything, we have a lot more evidence of long term issues with a bad Covid infection than we do with the vaccines.

Good luck.

1. I've talked to my best friend who is a physician and am going off his opinion, at least for now.

2. Valid points and certainly part of my being on the fence here.

 

[-fish-]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

What is the basis of your hesitancy? Seems like if you're trying to be as cautious as possible it's a no brainer.

The fact that some fairly competent sources are questioning whether or not the vaccines are causing more issues than the relative positive benefits.

I'd like to think that my completely mild case of COVID (I barely could tell I was sick, just felt tired for a day but that's normal anyways) was due to being vaxxed/boosted, but who's to say?

Like, maybe in 2 years they discover the vaccines ARE causing health problems? Do I just continue on without the 2nd booster and hope that a second (or third or fourth or fifth) case of COVID is still fairly mild? At this point it sounds like most that get it have cold-like symptoms only.

So yes, I'm cautious, but I'm starting to have caution/hesitancy as to the possible negative aspects of the vaccines. I think I'd rather just wait and see how things go over the course of the next several months.

What "fairly competent sources" are you referring to?

 

[-fish-]

The battle of discredited quacks is on! Malone calls McCullogh a grifter for his vitamin/supplement snake oil.

Oh, what's this? Got a link? (PM if you don't want to post here, which is understandable )

PM'd you. A lot of seemingly innocuous posts disappear in this thread, so I'm playing it safe.

 

[Doug B]

Something about the idea that the popular media would and is covering up information about COVID vaccine-caused health problems:

When the Astra-Zeneca vaccine (non-mRNA) first went live in the UK, press from both sides of the Atlantic were all over it. Every time someone so much as swooned after their vaccination, it made front-page news for that first week or so. Every tiny thing was just amplified so much.

In the U.S., it was press amplification of a statistically tiny number of negative effects that got the J&J vaccine (non-mRNA) pretty much shut down after less than seven weeks of use. Without the press, the general public wouldn't have never known. At no point did the press lay off the J& J vaccine and make a collective decision that the vaccination effort needed to be protected above all.

The press was more than happy then to blow the whistle on COVID vaccines -- and even trump up negative effects for clicks and eyeballs. I have no doubt that if there something behind the curtain regarding COVID vaccines, we'd be hearing all about it incessantly through mainstream media outlets. There's no reason the press's "do we amplify it?" calculus would be different today vs. when the vaccines first came out.

 

[The Commish]

And what DNA instructions in the human body would be responsible for the instruction to the cells to create new COVID spike proteins in your "hypothesis"?

Keep wondering why your posts are being ignored and/or deleted.

I will....want to answer the question? What you are asserting requires exactly what I am asking about or maybe you didn't/don't know that?

Read the study. I linked it and it's peer reviewed. Free Spike proteins abound for the myocarditis group. I've offered my guess as to why. Or as you stated with your typical condescension, my "hypothesis."

I know. I read your comment and then asked a question that you are avoiding. By the way.... study didn't even claim what you did. That's why i asked the question in the first place.

 

[The Commish]

I'd like to think that my completely mild case of COVID (I barely could tell I was sick, just felt tired for a day but that's normal anyways) was due to being vaxxed/boosted, but who's to say?

Your body and decades of documented science explaining how the immune system works. The proof is in the results.

 

[The Commish]

Something about the idea that the popular media would and is covering up information about COVID vaccine-caused health problems:

When the Astra-Zeneca vaccine (non-mRNA) first went live in the UK, press from both sides of the Atlantic were all over it. Every time someone so much as swooned after their vaccination, it made front-page news for that first week or so. Every tiny thing was just amplified so much.

In the U.S., it was press amplification of a statistically tiny number of negative effects that got the J&J vaccine (non-mRNA) pretty much shut down after less than seven weeks of use. Without the press, the general public wouldn't have never known. At no point did the press lay off the J& J vaccine and make a collective decision that the vaccination effort needed to be protected above all.

The press was more than happy then to blow the whistle on COVID vaccines -- and even trump up negative effects for clicks and eyeballs. I have no doubt that if there something behind the curtain regarding COVID vaccines, we'd be hearing all about it incessantly through mainstream media outlets. There's no reason the press's "do we amplify it?" calculus would be different today vs. when the vaccines first came out.

So are the competing pharma companies. The stand to make literally billions if they can show their competition is harming society but somehow people believe this isnt true and they are all covering it up together

 

[-fish-]

Something about the idea that the popular media would and is covering up information about COVID vaccine-caused health problems:

When the Astra-Zeneca vaccine (non-mRNA) first went live in the UK, press from both sides of the Atlantic were all over it. Every time someone so much as swooned after their vaccination, it made front-page news for that first week or so. Every tiny thing was just amplified so much.

In the U.S., it was press amplification of a statistically tiny number of negative effects that got the J&J vaccine (non-mRNA) pretty much shut down after less than seven weeks of use. Without the press, the general public wouldn't have never known. At no point did the press lay off the J& J vaccine and make a collective decision that the vaccination effort needed to be protected above all.

The press was more than happy then to blow the whistle on COVID vaccines -- and even trump up negative effects for clicks and eyeballs. I have no doubt that if there something behind the curtain regarding COVID vaccines, we'd be hearing all about it incessantly through mainstream media outlets. There's no reason the press's "do we amplify it?" calculus would be different today vs. when the vaccines first came out.

So are the competing pharma companies. The stand to make literally billions if they can show their competition is harming society but somehow people believe this isnt true and they are all covering it up together

Like quacks like Robert Malone who is developing his own vaccine?

 

[LawFitz]

Something about the idea that the popular media would and is covering up information about COVID vaccine-caused health problems:

When the Astra-Zeneca vaccine (non-mRNA) first went live in the UK, press from both sides of the Atlantic were all over it. Every time someone so much as swooned after their vaccination, it made front-page news for that first week or so. Every tiny thing was just amplified so much.

In the U.S., it was press amplification of a statistically tiny number of negative effects that got the J&J vaccine (non-mRNA) pretty much shut down after less than seven weeks of use. Without the press, the general public wouldn't have never known. At no point did the press lay off the J& J vaccine and make a collective decision that the vaccination effort needed to be protected above all.

The press was more than happy then to blow the whistle on COVID vaccines -- and even trump up negative effects for clicks and eyeballs. I have no doubt that if there something behind the curtain regarding COVID vaccines, we'd be hearing all about it incessantly through mainstream media outlets. There's no reason the press's "do we amplify it?" calculus would be different today vs. when the vaccines first came out.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. The press hasn't even touched the tip of the iceberg due to political and cognitive dissonance. My take, and I thank you for yours.

 

[LawFitz]

I am really at a crossroads here. I got the first booster mid-22 and COVID in July. I don't know if I am going to get the current booster. I'm not sure it's fully necessary at this point but I try and be as cautious as possible. Just not sure. At this point I'm leaning towards just seeing how things go in the next 4-6 months and decide at that point. So for now, no 2nd booster for me.

What is the basis of your hesitancy? Seems like if you're trying to be as cautious as possible it's a no brainer.

The fact that some fairly competent sources are questioning whether or not the vaccines are causing more issues than the relative positive benefits.

I'd like to think that my completely mild case of COVID (I barely could tell I was sick, just felt tired for a day but that's normal anyways) was due to being vaxxed/boosted, but who's to say?

Like, maybe in 2 years they discover the vaccines ARE causing health problems? Do I just continue on without the 2nd booster and hope that a second (or third or fourth or fifth) case of COVID is still fairly mild? At this point it sounds like most that get it have cold-like symptoms only.

So yes, I'm cautious, but I'm starting to have caution/hesitancy as to the possible negative aspects of the vaccines. I think I'd rather just wait and see how things go over the course of the next several months.

Just my two cents, from someone who also debated and did research about getting boosters.

1. And most important, IMO, consultant your physician. Everybody is unique and part of their job should be to help advise you on this decision.

2. The unknown of 2-x years out is a somewhat valid concern but it’s a concern for long COVID as much as the vaccines. If anything, we have a lot more evidence of long term issues with a bad Covid infection than we do with the vaccines.

Good luck.

1. I've talked to my best friend who is a physician and am going off his opinion, at least for now.

2. Valid points and certainly part of my being on the fence here.

What is your best friend's opinion about this?

 

[LawFitz]

I'd like to think that my completely mild case of COVID (I barely could tell I was sick, just felt tired for a day but that's normal anyways) was due to being vaxxed/boosted, but who's to say?

Your body and decades of documented science explaining how the immune system works. The proof is in the results.

I had Covid recently and had his exact same experience (sans vax), save for a day of headaches, which promptly dissipated after a round of Ivermectin. The proof is in the results.

ETA: AND I did not have to sacrifice my igG3 production to do it. No spike proteins here!

 

[LawFitz]

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"One of the most damning pieces of data I have seen ... was published about 48 hours ago by the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve ... Suddenly in 2021 the chart [for Federal Reserve tracked disability claims] goes off the chain. And then it goes really off the chain in the 3rd and 4th qtr of 2021 when the mandates begin, when the first round of boosters are called for - and keep in mind, this is also a time period when a lot of Americans are still working at home; offices have still not fully reopened yet, they're still Zooming, working from home, and still filing all these disability claims. There's such an obvious corollary here that you do not have to be a scientist, or a demographer, or a data analyst to understand the timing of that event. And yet, it's like the cognitive dissonance is real. Like I don't want to admit that this is true. Like I don't want to admit what I just watched." - Steve Deace

The spike in 2021 disability claims was mostly due to the lockdowns in 2020. People werent filing disability claims in 2020 because they didnt visit the doctor, because mothers didnt have to file maternity claims, people were working from home so no need to file a claim. Even with covid being full force in 2020, we had our best year in a long time from a disability perspective. Then as things returned to normalcy in 2021 all those claims that were put off in 2020 returned to normalcy PLUS Delta combined made 2021 one of our worst years ever. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine but nice try by that guy.

FYI this is what I do for a living.

Thanks. Curious, how do 2021 and 2022 compare to 2009-2019?

2009 was really bad as it was one year after great recession

Some of that leaked into 2010, 2011, 2012 but generally speaking all those years were in line with expectations. 2020 great year, 2021 horrible year. 2022 pretty much back to normalcy.

This appears to be the chart Deace was referring to... It seems to contradict your last statement re: 2022.

Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Graph and download economic data for Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over (LNU02074597) from Jun 2008 to Aug 2025 about disability, 16 years +, household survey, employment, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

I have no idea what that chart is showing. Im talking real disability claims data

Looks like it comes from the BLS household survey...

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Release: Employment Situation


Units: Thousands of Persons, Not Seasonally Adjusted

Frequency: Monthly

The series comes from the 'Current Population Survey (Household Survey)'

The source code is: LNU02074597

Suggested Citation:​

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employed - With a Disability, 16 Years and over [LNU02074597], retrieved from FRED, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis; https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU02074597, January 19, 2023.

Thank God we dont do experience studies based on household surveys

Surveys have their purpose. As do the actual claims figures. Surprised to hear there is that wide a divergence. And curious to see how that resolves. Thx for the insight.

 

[LawFitz]

By the way.... study didn't even claim what you did. That's why i asked the question in the first place.

Funny how you regularly come condescending and pedantic and then reveal your actual competence with takes like this. Read the study again. Or have your expert wife do it for you and then report her take.

 

[LawFitz]

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V-safe is a system of surveys that was introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic to monitor vaccine safety. It was developed and is managed by the CDC ... Updated versions of the protocol list the same 15 adverse events ... None of the conditions were included in the actual surveys.

“This calls into question what the CDC was really trying to accomplish with V-safe. Was it trying to assess the actual safety of these products? Or was it trying to design a system that would be more likely to affirm its previous public pronouncements regarding the safety of these products?”

The CDC rolled V-safe out in December 2020. Americans were told to use the surveys, which are only available through smartphones, to report how they felt after vaccination ...
About 10 million people signed up through July 31, 2022 ... The CDC has described the results of V-safe in multiple studies, but refused to release the raw data until ICAN [Informed Consent Action Network] brought litigation against it. Data released to ICAN in October 2022 showed that more than 3.2 million people sought medical attention or missed school, work, or other normal activities following vaccination.

The Nov. 19, 2020, protocol (pdf) for V-safe, the survey system, lists myocarditis, stroke, death, and a dozen “prespecified medical conditions.” ... None of the conditions were included in the actual surveys.

Respondents could check boxes if they experienced certain symptoms, but only 10 lower-level problems such as fever and nausea were listed as options.

Amazed by how many people continue to support and even worse, parrot, the narratives of the CDC. They are beholden to Big Pharma and are not on OUR side. Sad, but true.

 

[LawFitz]

Let's parse and validate (or invalidate) because this info is not just damning, but utterly maddening if true...

Fauci Lied; Children Died: Secret CDC Report confirms nearly 120k Youngsters ‘Died Suddenly’ in the USA by Oct. 2022 following roll-out of COVID Vaccines

Time and time again throughout 2021, Dr. Anthony Fauci, stood at the podium, the bright lights of the cameras blinding him as he faced the nation. With a steady hand, he held up a vial of the Pfize…

expose-news.com

The following chart has been created using the figures found in the OEC[D] database. Figures that have been provided to the OEC[D] by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC). And it shows excess deaths among children and young adults aged 0-44 across the USA by week in 2020 and 2021.

The year 2021, was by and far the worst, however, with 27,227 more excess deaths [aged 0-44] by week 40 following the roll-out of the Covid-19 injection than what occurred in 2020 at the height of the alleged Covid-19 pandemic.

Nearly half a million people aged 0 to 44 have sadly died since week 51 of 2020, and this has resulted in an astounding 117,719 excess deaths against the 2015-2019 five-year average.

if we are to believe the official narrative that Covid-19 injections are safe and effective, then how can one explain the further increase in death among children and young adults in both 2021 and 2022?

Long Covid? Fentanyl? Maybe. We should be shouting for the definitive answer(s), not the convenient ones.

Tip of the iceberg.

 

[LawFitz]

I have no idea why my post was deleted. It was 100% factual. VAERS does NOT record lot numbers. That information is NOT readily available. It's a fable a by Johnson who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

The bolded is 100% false. Capitalize the word not all you want; you are still wrong.

From a couple randomly selected VAERS reports -

VAX DATE: 12-15-2020| ONSET DATE: 12-15-2020| DAYS TO ONSET: 0

NAME	DOSE #	TYPE	MANUFACTURER	LOT	ROUTE	SITE
COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH))	1	COVID19	PFIZER\BIONTECH	EH 9899	SYR	LA

​

VAX DATE: 12-15-2020| ONSET DATE: 12-15-2020| DAYS TO ONSET: 0

NAME	DOSE #	TYPE	MANUFACTURER	LOT	ROUTE	SITE
COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH))	1	COVID19	PFIZER\BIONTECH	EH9899	IM	LA

 

[LawFitz]

Researcher Craig Paardekooper (Kingston University, London) claims US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) data show vaccine batches are sequentially marked by varying toxicity.

Paardekooper claims:

• VAERS shows about 1 in 200 vaccine batches (~ 0.5%) are “highly toxic,” having a high number (1000-5000 times the baseline rate) of severe adverse reactions — including hospitalization, disability, and death — in the short term, i.e., within a few days or weeks of injection.
• 70% have only one short-term adverse event reported.
• 80% have only one or two short-term adverse events reported.
• The toxic batches are distributed among all 50 US states.

Vaccine batches vary systematically in toxicity and are distributed to unsuspecting Americans by three companies: researcher

One company allegedly performed toxic dose range finding without consent (Updated 1/9/22)

hillmd.substack.com

 

[The Commish]

I have no idea why my post was deleted. It was 100% factual. VAERS does NOT record lot numbers. That information is NOT readily available. It's a fable a by Johnson who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

The bolded is 100% false. Capitalize the word not all you want; you are still wrong.

From a couple randomly selected VAERS reports -

VAX DATE: 12-15-2020| ONSET DATE: 12-15-2020| DAYS TO ONSET: 0

NAME	DOSE #	TYPE	MANUFACTURER	LOT	ROUTE	SITE
COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH))	1	COVID19	PFIZER\BIONTECH	EH 9899	SYR	LA

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VAX DATE: 12-15-2020| ONSET DATE: 12-15-2020| DAYS TO ONSET: 0

NAME	DOSE #	TYPE	MANUFACTURER	LOT	ROUTE	SITE
COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH))	1	COVID19	PFIZER\BIONTECH	EH9899	IM	LA

VAERS doesn't put this stuff in.....random people do. My statement is 100% true....I mean even VAERS system gives this rather long disclaimer. It's all dependent on the person entering. Always has been. There's a reason the first "verification" process they went through in 2020-21 was such a bust to all the arguments made then. Same reason exists today.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to VAERS. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as "safety signals." If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:

• Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
• Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
• The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
• VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
• VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.

Some items may have more than 1 occurrence in any single event report, such as Symptoms, Vaccine Products, Manufacturers, and Event Categories. If data are grouped by any of these items, then the number in the Events Reported column may exceed the total number of unique events. If percentages are shown, then the associated percentage of total unique event reports will exceed 100% in such cases. For example, the number of Symptoms mentioned is likely to exceed the number of events reported, because many reports include more than 1 Symptom. When more than 1 Symptom occurs in a single report, then the percentage of Symptoms to unique events is more than 100%. More information.


Data contains VAERS reports processed as of 01/13/2023. The VAERS data in WONDER are updated weekly, yet the VAERS system receives continuous updates including revisions and new reports for preceding time periods. Duplicate event reports and/or reports determined to be false are removed from VAERS. More information.


About COVID19 vaccines:

• For more information on how many persons have been vaccinated in the US for COVID19 to date, see https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations/.
• One report may state that the patient received more than one brand of COVID-19 vaccine on the same visit. This is a reporting error, but explains why the total number of reports may not equal the total number of COVID-19 vaccine doses.