Max Power
Footballguy
absolutely do. Its getting bad. They've even dropped the HS diploma/GED requirement for some branches.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (25 Viewers)
- Thread starter Big League Chew
- Start date
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
TLDR: Prob a year away from results from these new ones that have gone to clinical trials, and likely still regulatory (and demand) hurdles, but... maybe some hope.
https://erictopol.substack.com/p/a-covid-nasal-vaccine-update
https://erictopol.substack.com/p/a-covid-nasal-vaccine-update
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Huh?
Max Power
Footballguy
IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein - PMC
Less than a year after the global emergence of the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, a novel vaccine platform based on mRNA technology was introduced to the market. Globally, around 13.38 billion COVID-19 vaccine doses of diverse platforms have been ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
"working" is pretty generous. There a lot of causation vs correlation problems with it. It's been under investigation for almost two years and no real progress. I'm not sure if there is anyone state side even looking at this anymore.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Yeah, seems like stretch. Covid mortality has gone way down over time, by virtue of some combination of cumulative (natural + vaccine) immunity and viral mutations.
And TMK, we haven’t seen an uptick in IgG4 disease.
Seems like another quasi-scientific “what if” to fuel those inclined to vaccine fear-mongering.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Yup. I still run into the "don't take it. It's not tested!!!!!" peeps from time to time, but reality is, at this point you'd be hard pressed to find a set of vaccines tested more than these in the same time frame.
fatness
Footballguy
This is where things are on the planet:
"There have been 2,861 reported COVID-19 deaths in the world in the last 28 days, according to the WHO, with the U.S. making up 2,100 of those deaths."
abcnews.go.com
"There have been 2,861 reported COVID-19 deaths in the world in the last 28 days, according to the WHO, with the U.S. making up 2,100 of those deaths."
5 years since COVID declared public health emergency in US, still killing thousands
On the fifth anniversary of the U.S. declaring a public health emergency over COVID-19, people continue to lose their lives.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Are we going to start up a measles thread or can we discuss that absurdity in this thread too?
gianmarco
Footballguy
Can merge it with the tuberculosis thread.....
And the mumps, rubella and polio threads
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
According to my dad, leprosy is a thing down by him. Transmitted through armadillos? Might as well throw that in too
fatness
Footballguy
On the (not really) brighter side:
So many Americans died from COVID, it’s boosting Social Security to the tune of $205 billion
So many Americans died from COVID, it’s boosting Social Security to the tune of $205 billion
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
It’s person to person spread primarily, though armadillos appear to be the only non-human hosts. There have been a smattering of cases in the south/southeast, where human and armadillo leprosy strains are the same.According to my dad, leprosy is a thing down by him. Transmitted through armadillos? Might as well throw that in too
Max Power
Footballguy
‘The lockdowns were never really effective’: New research shows COVID stay-at-home orders did more harm than good - The Boston Globe
Five years ago, lockdown critics faced death threats and censorship. Now they are gaining influence amid new research on the harmful health effects of prolonged isolation.
www.bostonglobe.com
Max Power
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Huh, who'd a thunk it
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Norovirus, Covid-19 variant, measles, WV food dye ban, and USDA Local Food cuts
The Dose (March 17)
yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com
The TLDR Covid related bit:
fatness
Footballguy
COVID Vaccine Concerns and Claims About Ivermectin as Cancer Treatment
"The study does not establish how common PVS symptoms are or whether vaccination causes them. Researchers compared blood samples from 42 vaccinated individuals reporting PVS with 22 vaccinated individuals who did not report adverse effects and found differences in immune profiles between the two groups. The study notes that they found similarities between PVS and long COVID, but the study’s senior authors explain that the findings are preliminary and require further research to determine the cause of PVS. The study gained attention online, with vaccine opponents misrepresenting the findings around long COVID. One popular post on X, published on February 19, featuring a screenshot of an article from The DisInformation Chronicle Substack, falsely claimed the study concluded that long COVID is a vaccine injury. The post gained traction after Elon Musk retweeted it, receiving approximately 7,800 reposts and 7,000 likes as of Feb. 25. Long COVID, which affects both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, is not the same as PVS and is not caused by vaccines. Studies have shown that vaccines, which are known to be safe and effective, can offer protection against long COVID."
fatness
Footballguy
This is sad.
Scientists Say NIH Officials Told Them To Scrub mRNA References on Grants
"National Institutes of Health officials have urged scientists to remove all references to mRNA vaccine technology from their grant applications, two researchers said, in a move that signaled the agency might abandon a promising field of medical research."
Scientists Say NIH Officials Told Them To Scrub mRNA References on Grants
"National Institutes of Health officials have urged scientists to remove all references to mRNA vaccine technology from their grant applications, two researchers said, in a move that signaled the agency might abandon a promising field of medical research."
Max Power
Footballguy
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
fatness
Footballguy
Close Relative of Highly Fatal Coronavirus Discovered in Brazil's Bats
Brazil's bats are harboring a vast and diverse pool of coronaviruses, a new study finds, including a newly identified strain that may pose a danger to human health in the years to come.
www.sciencealert.com
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Its getting bad already. Just had three studies cut in our department on COVID vaccine success against the new strand circulating in South Africa. A bunch of changes to the spike in that one, but from what they can tell, not a dire need for new vaccines.
Scoresman
Footballguy
The vaccines have been so largely successful it seems right to make sure they are still effective with a potentially dangerous new strain.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
That research has been halted as I stated above (in our labs). It's gross what is being done. ZERO nuance.
rockaction
Footballguy
Too late for that. We're funding this type of vaccine research.
RFK Jr. hires anti-vaccine advocate to study debunked vaccine, autism link
David Geier has been disciplined for practicing medicine without a license.
arstechnica.com
culdeus
Footballguy
Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."www.yahoo.com
rockaction
Footballguy
Hear, hear! I think there was both malfeasance and a cover-up regarding the lab leak/wet market debate, and I also think that the vaccines were effective in stopping untold millions of deaths. It's quite possible to think that a strain of a virus that originated in the city that was studying the same virus for gain-of-function reasons was the origin of the virus itself; and that those emails that were found by the Congressional investigation were damning pieces of evidence. The reaction by journalists and scientists alike to discredit the obvious possibility that it was lab-leaked was unconscionable. So one can indeed think that the coronavirus was lab-leaked and that there was a subsequent cover-up and also think that the vaccine created in response to the leak, the vaccine created by the pharmaceutical companies in cooperation with the same government whose officials were covering up the lab leak, was a product of everybody acting in good faith and working to create a vaccine that was nothing short of a scientific miracle.
But what about the safety of vaccines? Doesn't my unwavering conclusion that the vaccines saved millions of lives mean that I won't be likely to listen to claims that there are people who were injured by the vaccine in some way?
No. I'll admit I'm not happy nor disposed to hearing about it from suspects who make other claims regarding things like "turbo cancer" and who say that the vaccine harmed more people than it helped (these people argue in bad faith and have ulterior motives, I think), but truth is truth no matter the claimant's ancillary beliefs. I just think you can tell how serious a person is about getting to the actual truth of the matter if they also espouse certain ancillary beliefs, and there's only time enough in the day for so much ******** and dealings with people who are acting in bad faith.
I've had a personal, visceral reaction to a vaccine before (pneumonia), so I know it can happen and that it's quite possible people died or got sick from the mRNA COVID vaccines. It is possible. To completely downplay any possibility of that occurrence is malfeasant and closed-minded. Reasonable claims that are backed by numerous anecdotal data points in sufficient numbers should cause the issue to be studied (although there is a limited pie of funds and human capital, so we want to make sure we have our priorities straight). But I see no problem with a study or studies that examine the possibility that the vaccines were deleterious, harmful, or even fatal to subsets of the population (age categories, general health conditions, ethnicity, race, sex, whatever you can think of). The important thing is to know who was affected, how it affected them, and why it happened so that we can better implement future vaccines or new iterations of the COVID vaccine. We don't just want to sweep illnesses or conditions (or deaths) under the rug like it will also kill the wonders of the efficacy of the vaccines.
Out with the truth. All of it. The question is whether people are really going to listen in the end to the truth and not to a version of the truth that fits their preconceived notions. If you read the article I linked, a vaccine skeptic commissions an anti-vaccination guy who has lost his medical license and has not told the truth about the efficacy of vaccines to head the study into the vaccine/autism link. That link has been discredited so many times yet rears its head like the hydra every time in public conversation. As the quote to close the article intones, they know the outcome they want to reach and they're cherry picking so that the data satisfies their conclusion. That's not science when the mRNA backers do it; and it certainly isn't when the other side does out of some erroneous and faulty sense of accountability/liability and justice.
Man, that sounded like Patrick Bateman at a restaurant talking about issues in American Psycho.
"First . . ."
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Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
I'm on my way out the door. Defending and will be done in May. Research already funded will run until the funds run out. We had two different experiments we were doing along with a group in California and Japan. Japan is still chugging along, but the other 2/3 won't be able to participate until the funding comes back. I can't speak to the impacts to other labs at the school, but I don't know of a single one that hasn't been impacted in some way. Some more serious than others. We had a proposed heart research grant squashed from even being considered because it had the term "mRNA" in the proposal text. There is virtually no way to write a grant in heart development without mentioning mRNA. It's bananas.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
I think I've asked this question about 100 times and never really gotten a cogent answer. Science cares where things come from mainly because often times the origin can help give clues on how to combat it. Once this virus was sequenced and analyzed and found not to be altered scientifically, we were able to say, with confidence that the origin simply didn't matter in the equation of finding a fix for the problem. All the "origin" talk now is purely political and conspiratorial. And this doesn't even get into the "presenting opinion as fact" stuff in these articles. You'd think people have learned to make the distinction by now.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
rockaction
Footballguy
Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God, it even has a watermark . . .
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Wanted to be clear. There is still plenty of research going on around long covid and the like globally. It's just being severely hampered in this country and those countries we were helping research.
Max Power
Footballguy
It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
culdeus
Footballguy
It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
Max Power
Footballguy
Some of us care that public health officials lied during the most significant event in the last 20 years.It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
3C's
Footballguy
People who want to point fingers.
the moops
Footballguy
We all should. But the massive lost of trust you alluded to happened well before the lying was known aboutSome of us care that public health officials lied during the most significant event in the last 20 years.It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
Max Power
Footballguy
I think it hit rock bottom when the media started gaslighting and censoring everything that didn't fit the approved narrative.We all should. But the massive lost of trust you alluded to happened well before the lying was known aboutSome of us care that public health officials lied during the most significant event in the last 20 years.It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
culdeus
Footballguy
Some of us care that public health officials lied during the most significant event in the last 20 years.It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
Why should public health officials share this? Shouldn't it have been the state department or something? If it doesn't impact the way the disease is handled again, why should they do anything differently?
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Sounds about right. Research is a process and a pretty long cycle. At a high level, you go from brainstorming, to discovery, to planning, to writing the grant proposal, getting approval, getting the funds, setting up the experiment, collecting data, analyzing data, evaluating path to determine if more experiments are needed or you have enough to publish.
If the funds aren't there, there's no point in doing any of it. It takes a long time to start from scratch and see results.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Only those looking through the political lens. It simply doesn't matter in terms of the science. For those angry at politicians and political appointees "lying" to them, maybe they learn to follow the actual science instead of the mouth pieces. This form of messaging is far from new. It's what the American people have deemed acceptable for a long time. I'm honestly baffled why people are upset about a group of people behaving in a way we've accepted for a pretty long time up to this point.It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Only those looking through the political lens. It simply doesn't matter in terms of the science. For those angry at politicians and political appointees "lying" to them, maybe they learn to follow the actual science instead of the mouth pieces. This form of messaging is far from new. It's what the American people have deemed acceptable for a long time. I'm honestly baffled why people are upset about a group of people behaving in a way we've accepted for a pretty long time up to this point.It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
It’s selective and political by most people - it’s just how things are now. I think most of these things (lying by officials) has been going on by everyone for a while and some are either just now realizing it or using it to make a political point.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
For me, there's been a timer set on people. At this point, it should be crystal clear how to handle these things moving forward. If you insist on giving oxygen to or paying attention to any of these people, I won't consider you an honest seeker of knowledge and/or broker of fruitful discussion.Only those looking through the political lens. It simply doesn't matter in terms of the science. For those angry at politicians and political appointees "lying" to them, maybe they learn to follow the actual science instead of the mouth pieces. This form of messaging is far from new. It's what the American people have deemed acceptable for a long time. I'm honestly baffled why people are upset about a group of people behaving in a way we've accepted for a pretty long time up to this point.It caused media censorship issues and we now see how public health officials actively worked together to lie to the public. It resulted in a massive loss of trust in those institutions. It's the leading reason the appeal to authority fallacy gets highlighted today. No one will take ownership of mistakes because over half the country doesn't care anymore.Ok. So it leaked. What behaviors would have been different vs some wet market panda sneezed on somebody? This wasn't some bio weapon. That area had gone thru some serious viruses in prior two decades. It happens.New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
New York Times columnist admits scientists ‘badly misled’ public on COVID-19: ‘Five years too late’
Zeynep Tufecki, a Times columnist and sociology professor at Princeton University, wrote in a recent opinion piece that the science community hid crucial facts from the public -- an admittance that some said came "five years too late."
The treatment and actions taken by individuals would not have been different. The source of the virus is really a strange thing to care about whether it's lab or not. If it was some China research guys they are probably dead now. This whole subject was muted in the media because it can not matter less, and who honestly cares?
It’s selective and political by most people - it’s just how things are now. I think most of these things (lying by officials) has been going on by everyone for a while and some are either just now realizing it or using it to make a political point.
Battersbox
Footballguy
It's crazy to me that people can in one breath cheerlead how these miracle vaccines saved millions of lives and in the next breath casually say the cause of millions of other lives being lost or nearly lost really doesn't matter and is only a political exercise.
Millions of people died because of the decisions and neglect of certain people, and many untoward millions more would have if not for the heroics of vaccines.
The fact that many folks in here dismiss the first half of that sentence and only care about the second part of that sentence baffles me.
Millions of people died because of the decisions and neglect of certain people, and many untoward millions more would have if not for the heroics of vaccines.
The fact that many folks in here dismiss the first half of that sentence and only care about the second part of that sentence baffles me.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Can't do much without the funds. Fortunately, it seems the rest of the world gets it. They are vigorously testing the current vaccines to measure effectiveness against the new strains like the one spreading in South Africa. We too did this for all the variants after the strain the vaccines were created for. We took none of it for granted and assumed nothing in terms of effectiveness. We are now being forced to take a very different approach and its going to bite us in the butt at some point.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Not sure I understand this. What specifically are you talking about? Talking about out us not giving (donating) the vaccines we weren't going to be using to areas who couldnt afford to vuy them? Stuff like that?
