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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (22 Viewers)

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Koya said:
Question, understanding that this is sensitive and hits home... isn't PT essential for many? Those recovering from injury, or dealing with potentially life altering outcomes and lack of movement, strength, quality of life?

Not trying to be harsh or cold, but is that not part of the risk one takes when they decide to become a medical professional of some sort? Hope you don't mind me asking, I recognize it is a very difficult situation for him, and for you.
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My wife is a PT and considered essential.  She provides therapy to seniors who have had serious medical conditions, ie if the therapy wasn't being provided they would regress medically.

... but listening to some folks in here, its only old people right???

 
I spent the weekend converting my dining room into a command center for my wife to do her job with multiple computers and laptops set up. The healthcare community is treating this like an all out war. They have thousands of people on this. Tens of thousands of people on this trying to work together to fight an invisible enemy. Unlike other wars, a lot of the people on the front line, support system, and supply chain are women. (That's not meant as anything other than an observation).

I always had respect for what my wife does, but after watching her deal with things I don't know how she does it. Between phone calls, IM's, texts, electronic faxes, and emails she was averaging 3-4 contacts a minute, sometimes more. That's like 200+ contacts in an hour. And with workers being shifted around and some of them working around the clock, she actually has to explain to replacements at hospitals how to do their job. I couldn't handle that part.

I mentioned that earlier she was looking for a place to take on a baby that needed surgery. She was basically told to offload her search to someone else, as it would take up way too much of her time. So no follow up available on that. She is still in relocate-all-patients mode and there are patients coming and going everywhere. Behind the scenes, all this requires a ton of approvals, notifications, paperwork, and compliance. There are patients getting moved (transported) to new locales and sometimes even the medical people aren't sure where they are at any given moment. For now they are moving a lot of chess pieces around (and some of these people are very sick or post-surgery).

There was a mini wave off COVID cases the other day, but that was mostly a ton of people flooding the hospitals after they heard tests had become available. So far it hasn't gotten cray cray just yet, but we are set up as overflow for Boston (in addition to our own local people). They are going to have to change up on having tents and testing outdoors with 6 inches of snow coming in overnight.

They are trying to stay way ahead of things. They have plans now to clear out some wings of nursing homes to deal with the possible virus tsunami expected over the next two weeks. I cringed when I heard they would intentionally send COVID patients to nursing homes (but that would be out of sheer desperation). They would much rather have 1,000 extra beds at the ready and not need them then have 1,000 patients trapped in hospitals with no place to put them.

On the PPE front, all the local hospitals are pooling whatever resources they have left and doling things out as best they can from a centralized warehouse. As already mentioned previously, they have a bunch of volunteers sewing masks at home for the direct patient care providers. They put out a call to arms to residents to see if anyone had any protective gear. They actually found a church that had a couple of boxes of N95 masks. The TP supply crisis has officially gone off the rails. The police notified everyone to please donate some of their hoarded supply of TP because medical places were out of it. Not sure I could deal with wearing a flannel shirt as a mask and then having to got to the bathroom and not have a single sheet of TP to work with.

And we had our first situation where we know someone whose mother died from the virus. Hopefully the majority of folks won't have to fight the good fight, wherever you are.

 
Rich Conway said:
If marijuana laws are any indication, people will default to the local rules, right?
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There are people who follow only what Trump says, as the nation's leader, which is lighter than some local cities like SF. Many are looking to get back to normal asap. This will cause more "it's not really a big deal" to increase, along with reckless behaviour. 

 
shader said:
Italy reports 4,789 new cases and 601 new deaths.

Second straight day where the new cases have fallen.  We have to keep this in perspective, as 5k new cases is 5k new cases.  Every day there are that many new cases is another day the quarantine must continue.

But it's still good news.  
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Agree it's good news but do they have the number of tests being conducted to go along with it?  I would think that number would be important too.

 
If anyone is interested, hearing rumors of the health insurance industry granting extended grace period for premium payments.  Some carriers have already extended the typical 30/31 day grace period to 60/62 days, but there may be a federal override for even longer.  Honestly, if this gets bad, and without federal money, carriers might not be able to allow folks to float premiums for longer than that.

 
Has anyone posted the Chinese head of the Red Cross, speaking to italy?   She was pretty blunt  

Hippling

 
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Doug B said:
In the case I'm familiar with ... a patient will do twice as much, or more, for a PT than for a family member, esp a spouse. It's really hard for a lot of people to apply "tough love" to a spouse that's undergone a major health emergency. Home PT tends to get "rounded off" for many patients, as many patients will seek to avoid the hard stuff and spouses won't feel comfortable playing drill sergeant. Not all patients are gung-ho motivated to get back to normal ... oftentimes PTs fill in that motivation gap.
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:goodposting:

 
matttyl said:
Virginia going into shelter in place / non essential business, whatever it’s called.  Governor talking now.  
 

@GoBirds @Uruk-Hai
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Kids done with school for the year is the big thing for us, sounds like I will be able to continue business as we never have more than 10 patrons in our office. Kids will have no school for  months!?!?!

 
JAA said:
My wife is a PT and considered essential.  She provides therapy to seniors who have had serious medical conditions, ie if the therapy wasn't being provided they would regress medically.

... but listening to some folks in here, its only old people right???
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My son sees all age ranges.  That being said... of those people who are canceling, most of them are elderly.

 
Georgia must be really behind in testing. They "only" have 772 total cases but 25 deaths. By comparison Florida has 1171 reported cases and 14 deaths.

 
GoBirds said:
Kids done with school for the year is the big thing for us, sounds like I will be able to continue business as we never have more than 10 patrons in our office. Kids will have no school for  months!?!?!
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Are you “essential”?  I haven’t yet seen the states official list.  As a health insurance agent, at a time like this, I’m going to consider myself essential.  

Yes, no school for months.  If you’re a senior in high school, what does that mean?  Will you actually have earned a diploma by the time you start college in the late summer/early fall?

 
Big League Chew said:
rumors around the office of a potential furlough
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I thought for sure my office was going to go in this direction.  I'm basically "project personnel" and it would have made sense for them to suspend non-essential projects during this time.  I braced for either being furloughed or asked to pick up the slack for those that were.

Outside of some network restrictions, it's basically been business as usual.

 
nirad3 said:
Not sure how much it matters but fast food workers are wearing gloves around here.  
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It’s for their protection, not yours. 

Galileo said:
How often are they changing them?
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Not too often, would be my guess.   In regular times, some the cooks, at my restaurant, wear gloves all night.  A few changes here and there.  when they rip or get burnt(ripped)  one guy’s goal/game is to only wear one set all night.  he usually makes it through on one pair.  They are all wearing them, all the time, now.  however, still not a ton of changing them out.  They think it’s stupid  

 
Don't know if it was posted yet, but the Olympics is being postponed. People are guessing it'll be pushed back a year, but who knows?

 
huthut said:
Heard from work I was exposed to someone who was exposed to someone who tested positive, so now I am fully under quarantine, even though it is sort of 3rd degree exposure, so far the second person has not had symptoms or been tested. Hope I don't die!
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At this point we don't even need to play 6 degrees for all of us to be exposed most likely - I'm guessing 2-3 degrees max for probably 90+% of us.  We think my SIL had it, she has a co-worker with a confirmed case and I was around my SIL days before she started feeling bad.  Honestly, if we could go back in time, it may have been better if we did go the Boris Johnson route - the dude seems like a nutter but if we could have done that we probably could have saved lives and the economic disaster we are heading towards (and some are already there).  I don't know how far back we'd have to go and maybe we'd have to do quarantine musical chairs or something.

 
Stay-at-home order in Michigan and I've basically told our HR and ELT that everyone in our Michigan office will be WFH.  We are a global company HQed in Dallas so until TX has an order, they don't "get it".  Only on-site staff will be 1 at a time to monitor the data center.

 
AAABatteries said:
Agree it's good news but do they have the number of tests being conducted to go along with it?  I would think that number would be important too.
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Deaths per day seems to have peaked. While there could be some deaths outside of the testing, deaths is a data that is less likely to be skewed than total cases. I'm convinced Italy is over the hump. 

 
matttyl said:
Are you “essential”?  I haven’t yet seen the states official list.  As a health insurance agent, at a time like this, I’m going to consider myself essential.  

Yes, no school for months.  If you’re a senior in high school, what does that mean?  Will you actually have earned a diploma by the time you start college in the late summer/early fall?
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To my business I am. 😁

I took it that if you are able to operate under the social distancing requirements and aren’t a gym/restaurant/bar etc with less than 10 total patrons you can stay open? I was only listening to the stream though I need to read through this. Someone specified as well that the 10 total doesn’t include staff. 

 
matttyl said:
Are you “essential”?  I haven’t yet seen the states official list.  As a health insurance agent, at a time like this, I’m going to consider myself essential.  

Yes, no school for months.  If you’re a senior in high school, what does that mean?  Will you actually have earned a diploma by the time you start college in the late summer/early fall?
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I’m sure it varys by state and has changed over time but I recall when I graduated you needed 21/24 possible credits or something like that, so that last semester was technically meaningless for a lot of kids

had one friend who literally did not go to class last semester and graduated

 
As I have said previously I'm a government IT contractor for the Navy.

A few months ago they moved me down the road but I was prebiously on the second floor of a repair  hangar. Offices up top, technicians working on jets on ground floor.

i was told today that they had to shut that ground floor area down Friday. Somebody started showing symptoms and they closed it down for cleaning.  Back open today.

Best part that since it was a younger guy with somewhat mild symptoms, they didn't test him. They just sent him home to quarantine. 

 
Kal El said:
Don't know if it was posted yet, but the Olympics is being postponed. People are guessing it'll be pushed back a year, but who knows?
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The Olympics are a little different than even professional sports. The athletes need to train almost around the clock. Then there are practices and games, at a minimum trials and qualifiers, and that all happens with a ton of build up to the actual Olympics. Basically, you can't take elite athletes and tell them next week they are going to the Olympics. Most countries haven't even determined who qualified to make their team. I would guess they would need at least a 6 month ramp up and maybe even more time than that.

 
shader said:
Italy reports 4,789 new cases and 601 new deaths.

Second straight day where the new cases have fallen.  We have to keep this in perspective, as 5k new cases is 5k new cases.  Every day there are that many new cases is another day the quarantine must continue.

But it's still good news.  
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I dont focuse on new cases as we dont know how much testing they are/are-not doing.  I focus on deaths as thats a true trailing indicator of how its progressing.

 
JaxBill said:
Georgia must be really behind in testing. They "only" have 772 total cases but 25 deaths. By comparison Florida has 1171 reported cases and 14 deaths.
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I've tried to limit my news watching and reading of this thread (too stressful) but I'm unaware of us having any stay at home restrictions.  Having said that, most of the people in my area seem to be taking mostly serious from what I can tell.  No clue how well we are doing on testing though.

 
Anarchy99 said:
The Olympics are a little different than even professional sports. The athletes need to train almost around the clock. Then there are practices and games, at a minimum trials and qualifiers, and that all happens with a ton of build up to the actual Olympics. Basically, you can't take elite athletes and tell them next week they are going to the Olympics. Most countries haven't even determined who qualified to make their team. I would guess they would need at least a 6 month ramp up and maybe even more time than that.
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The first time I heard they were considering banning the Olympics, I thought it was fine to talk about, but like football, way too early to make that call. I completely forgot about qualifying. Good call by the IOC for sure.

 
One thing I was going to ask was back when this started in China, they had guys in hazmat suits with tanker trucks of disinfectant going around spraying and hosing down pretty much anything they could get to. Have we been doing that at all in the US? I have not heard of much in the way of major decontamination efforts and crews going out and cleansing places from ceiling to floor.

 
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JAA said:
I dont focuse on new cases as we dont know how much testing they are/are-not doing.  I focus on deaths as thats a true trailing indicator of how its progressing.
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Yes, total cases are often a case of total tests. Deaths per population is the more important stat.

 
Politician Spock said:
Deaths per day seems to have peaked. While there could be some deaths outside of the testing, deaths is a data that is less likely to be skewed than total cases. I'm convinced Italy is over the hump. 
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Want to see 2 more days of Italy data to be sure, but generally agree with your premise and was good to see.

The downside is the U.S. isn't doing what Italy did in terms of mitigation yet.

 
GoBirds said:
To my business I am. 😁

I took it that if you are able to operate under the social distancing requirements and aren’t a gym/restaurant/bar etc with less than 10 total patrons you can stay open? I was only listening to the stream though I need to read through this. Someone specified as well that the 10 total doesn’t include staff. 
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That last bit was specifically for essential business 

 
Capella said:
Just office rumors? Government needs people earning right now, not making less. They’re already freaked out about the job force. I wouldn’t sweat it yet imo  
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i also just received an email from a Deputy Commander saying that the "Defense Industrial Base" has been deemed a critical business sector by Homeland Security (well, duh?)

But the reason i mention it is because i found  a link the 14 critical business structures as identied by Homeland Security.

 
Smack Tripper said:
Call your doctor.  An EMT is not in a position to diagnose nor are they your therapist.  
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EMTs can certainly tell you if you should go or stay home. How long does it take to get an answer from your pcp during this time vs EMT who can assist in keeping those who are ok home v need to go now, you're in trouble, come with us now. Jmo. I wouldn't call EMT unless I'm in bad shape and my pcp office is too backlogged to get back to me, and I feel time is of the essence. 

 
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