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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (36 Viewers)
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Ignoratio Elenchi
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My wife is a 3rd grade teacher and I have two elementary school age kids so I'm experiencing both sides of it, and it's a similar story here. They've done a pretty good job of distance learning here but it's tough, especially at those ages. It's largely dependent on the effort the parents are able to put into it, which varies greatly from one family to the next. I'm fortunate to have a job that I could already work remotely on my own schedule, so during the day I do a lot of homeschooling with the kids while my wife is working with her students, and I try to get my work done during breaks and in the evenings. Not ideal but we have it much better than many, I imagine. Can tell that some kids don't have that level of support and are falling off, which is a shame and will only get worse the longer it goes on.
Of course, knowing the way these things go, I'm guessing the teachers won't know about next school year until late August.
belljr
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belljr
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
He makes some good points, but why do we favor the opinion of a surgeon over infectious disease specialists?
Aerial Assault
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I made an . . . adjustment to the thread/board about two weeks ago and it greatly increased my ability to read and enjoy the thread . . . .
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
How is this any different than you trusting an opinion piece by Faust over somebody like Rasmussen?
CR69
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CR69
Footballguy
I've made a few adjustments lately and can concur. Now only if people would stop engaging the trolls...
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Not very good news around the world at Covid worldometers with the new cases back up to 96,000 and deaths at 5,300. Brazil reporting almost 13,800 new cases, which is a couple thousand above their previous high. Zambia with almost a 50% increase (to 654 cases).
The encouraging news in the U.S. is the downward trend in cases, per the CDC's "Cases in the U.S." chart.
The encouraging news in the U.S. is the downward trend in cases, per the CDC's "Cases in the U.S." chart.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
Postal Service is doing a proof of concept test of taking employees temperature and sending them home if over 100.4. Tests are being done in Northern VA and Oklahoma.
Postal Testing Employees Temperature
Postal Testing Employees Temperature
Quint
Footballguy
Yeah test someone today then they develop symptoms later.. so numbers are going down in states that open early are doing better, my state had more deaths from flu last year then covid. Yet we moved covid confirm people from hospitals to nursing homes...
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
It's obviously not designed to catch asymptomatic cases. That doesn't mean it's useless.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Sorry, I'm not familiar with Rasmussen - can you give me some details about his work? Is he the guy determining Sweden's Covid policy? If so, I won't need to reiterate the problems with taking his approach in the U.S. (or in Sweden, for that matter).
And while I'm sure misspelling Fauci was unintentional, I'm not just talking about his opinions. While it's practically impossible to achieve consensus in any discipline, nearly all the global leaders in infectious diseases agree with Fauci's methodology, as well as rank-and-file epidemiologists and ID clinicians in this country.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
What works for a lot of businesses might not work for the postal service, so I would think they need a proof of concept for their business structure and with the unions approval when all is said and done.
CR69
Footballguy
Just wait, the "experts" response is coming.
Appreciate everything you do in here, hope you're hanging in there.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
A lot of companies have union workers, you do realize the postal service has over 500,00 employees and deals with multiple unions. All union contracts aren’t the same. I’m sure the language in the postal unions contracts and whatever business you are in, along with your union’s contracts, are not similar at all.we employ union workers.
We have 30,000 employees across North America. Not picking a fight, I just dont get it. The unions want to work. We arent going to be affected much at all.
toshiba
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Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Not sure why this concept difficult to understand? Perhaps the Socratic method will help:
- If someone shoots you in the head, what good are bullet-proof vests?
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Alex P Keaton
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It’s probably not worth reacting to the daily increase in Brazil’s known cases. They’ve tested about 1/10th the number of people (per capita) as the US. So the current reported cases of 200k are probably more like 2 million in actuality, if they tested on par with the US. Brazil will see known cases skyrocket unless they stop testing. Hopefully they don’t have a similar rate of deaths.....but......probably just a matter of time.
parasaurolophus
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Angela Rasmussen. Virologist
Jeremy Faust. ER Doc
Faust is the guy that wrote this opinion piece that you and gianmarco agreed with in this very thread. It goes against what Angela Rasmussen says,and his research was to make some phone calls and ask some doctor buddies. But since it supports something you accept, you weren't too concerned with his credentials or the process.
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[scooter]
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It's misleading to say that the "tribes are done with it" -- first off, not every casino has decided to open (link). Second, the only casino opening in western Washington will be open to less than 50% capacity (link). Third, they are checking everyone's temperature at entry. Fourth, they're requiring masks. And fifth -- here's the big one -- they're requiring all customers to register their cellphone so that the customers can potentially be tracked.Tribes are done with it. Casinos opening up in WA. Finally something else to do on the weekend.
But, other than allllllll of those caveats -- yeah, they're done with it!
Quint
Footballguy
I’m not suggesting we don’t perform thermal checks. My concern is that businesses use this tool as they re-open to instill a false - or at least exaggerated - sense of safety to their patrons and staff.
I’d be more optimistic if the messaging was, “We will be issuing temp checks to everyone wearing a mask looking to enter this establishment. Those not wearing masks will not be tested as they will not be admitted inside.”
DJackson10
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Ohio wants companies to snitch on workers who don't show up to work to the government who blame the Virus saying it's fraud. Ohio must LOVE Lawsuits
Also Jersey is opening some beaches for Memorial Day but Parks and a lot of other stuff are closed. Some locals are saying some beaches are still Locals only and The Jersey Shore has very little if any short term beach rentals. My one former teacher who lives at the shore now from HS said if you are coming from PA to the Shore you better have a fake NJ License or they might not even let you on the shore properties. There's a lot of stuff people in PA or those more inland in NJ who own a home there have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get to their houses and prove its theirs. Also depending on county only the people in the immediate family can be in the house. That means if you are going solo have a few friends coming well you are #### out of luck. Considering the traffic and all most people might be better off staying back in Philly this summer. Also beaches are gonna be limited on amount of people on a beach with social distancing enforced.
Also Jersey is opening some beaches for Memorial Day but Parks and a lot of other stuff are closed. Some locals are saying some beaches are still Locals only and The Jersey Shore has very little if any short term beach rentals. My one former teacher who lives at the shore now from HS said if you are coming from PA to the Shore you better have a fake NJ License or they might not even let you on the shore properties. There's a lot of stuff people in PA or those more inland in NJ who own a home there have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get to their houses and prove its theirs. Also depending on county only the people in the immediate family can be in the house. That means if you are going solo have a few friends coming well you are #### out of luck. Considering the traffic and all most people might be better off staying back in Philly this summer. Also beaches are gonna be limited on amount of people on a beach with social distancing enforced.
DJackson10
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This is my problem with a lot of the people arguing about restrictions. They are trying to argue that anything not effective 100% isn't worth doing. Then again most of those people are the ones that thing 5G caused this virus and I just tell them sorry we are inconveniencing your life but despite what you think your life is no more important then anyone else. Suck it up butter cup
Grace Under Pressure
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Disclaimer: Opinion on opening up. For what it’s worth.
Watching how the “opening up” of states is unfolding raises the concern that we’re collectively missing the point of “re-opening”. The point is to get people back to work. 30 million unemployed? Not acceptable. We need unemployment to begin falling, so in re-opening we should be wisely opening businesses to get as many people as possible back to earning a living again ASAP.
The point of re-opening is not to initiate “happy fun time” again. People need to be focused on getting back to work safely, as many people as possible working, as quickly as possible. Not to run out to some bar to drink, socialize and spread the virus while one bartender gets back to work. Not smart. The point of re-opening is not to head to the beach as quickly as possible, or to go to Disney soon. The point is to get as many people back to work as quickly as possible, safely, go to sleep, and do it again the next day, and the next day. Get off of unemployment, get back to work. Not “party fun time” right now.
Stay healthy and safe. Hopefully better times are ahead.
Watching how the “opening up” of states is unfolding raises the concern that we’re collectively missing the point of “re-opening”. The point is to get people back to work. 30 million unemployed? Not acceptable. We need unemployment to begin falling, so in re-opening we should be wisely opening businesses to get as many people as possible back to earning a living again ASAP.
The point of re-opening is not to initiate “happy fun time” again. People need to be focused on getting back to work safely, as many people as possible working, as quickly as possible. Not to run out to some bar to drink, socialize and spread the virus while one bartender gets back to work. Not smart. The point of re-opening is not to head to the beach as quickly as possible, or to go to Disney soon. The point is to get as many people back to work as quickly as possible, safely, go to sleep, and do it again the next day, and the next day. Get off of unemployment, get back to work. Not “party fun time” right now.
Stay healthy and safe. Hopefully better times are ahead.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Bias is everywhere. Two biased assumptions in the first post and then another one to follow it up. Solid work.
I only typed what I did to illustrate that the only reason terminalxylem was questioning the pedigree of the writer is because it didn't match his view or he generally disagrees with the poster that linked it.
Similar to how if somebody posted something from dailymail that went against the grain in here it would be pointed out immediately that dailymail is a tabloid. However if it was a story that matched the popular opinion or was a narrative people bought it would not get questioned at all. (yes this happened in this thread also)
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Sorry, my bad. Can you remind how the two's opinions conflict?
And FTR, with regards to treatment and containment measures, I'm most interested in the opinions of infectious disease clinicians and public health experts.
krista4
Footballguy
I'm not disagreeing with your info for the most part, but it's not true that there is an "only" casino opening in western WA. The one a few miles from me, which is not the one you linked, announced this morning that it is opening on Monday. I'd expect others are also following suit. It's certainly not all, though, and some tribes such as the Makah have announced extended closures of their spaces instead.
Warrior
Footballguy
Not sure how this makes sense. For restaurants to open and servers to be re-hired, they need customers. For theme parks to hire back workers, they need guests. Etc. Etc....
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Sure, but that discounts how much of our economy is based on "happy fun time." A lot of service industries depend on it.
Honestly, I hope the pandemic forces us to re-examine our national priorities, focussing a bit more on things like education, income inequality, healthcare and disaster preparedness, and less on entertainment.
the moops
Footballguy
Gov. Tim Walz’s announcement Wednesday that Minnesota’s stay-at-home order would expire on May 18 came after a model produced by local researchers showed relatively little direct benefit from extending it
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in which Minnesota’s stay-at-home order ends on May 18, followed by a period of less-intense social distancing — projects that by the end of May, an estimated 1,441 people will have died of COVID-19 in Minnesota. By next March, that model predicts that just over 29,000 people will have died from the disease in the state.
But a scenario in which Minnesota’s stay-at-home order is extended until May 31 was almost as bad, with 1,388 predicted deaths through May, and 28,231 into next year. That’s about a 2.8 percent reduction in overall predicted deaths over 12 months, between the two scenarios.
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in which Minnesota’s stay-at-home order ends on May 18, followed by a period of less-intense social distancing — projects that by the end of May, an estimated 1,441 people will have died of COVID-19 in Minnesota. By next March, that model predicts that just over 29,000 people will have died from the disease in the state.
But a scenario in which Minnesota’s stay-at-home order is extended until May 31 was almost as bad, with 1,388 predicted deaths through May, and 28,231 into next year. That’s about a 2.8 percent reduction in overall predicted deaths over 12 months, between the two scenarios.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I said the author made many good points...in fact, I didn't criticize anything he said.parasaurolophus said:
While you're right I don't often agree with Mr. A, I really was pointing out a larger problem I have with accepting "expert" opinion from people who have little expertise in the subject they're opining. And when they're going against the grain of legitimate experts in the field, I'm much more likely to call their expertise into question.
shader
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
I don't understand the math here.
You've had 663 deaths in approximately 1.5 months. You've averaged roughly 20-25 deaths per day over the past couple of weeks.
But now the model is predicting another 725 deaths in just the next 15 days? Followed by an average of ~90 deaths per day for the next 10 months?? And that's with social distancing? What the??
Battersbox
Footballguy
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/convalescent-plasma-safe-treat-covid-19-nationwide-study-n1206126
I don't think this gets enough attention as the true potential 'game changer'.
Of the 5,000 seriously ill patients who received blood plasma transfusions for the study, fewer than 1 percent experienced serious adverse events. The mortality rate seven days after treatment was 14.9 percent, but the researchers noted the infusion patients were already gravely ill and the rate "does not appear excessive."
I don't think this gets enough attention as the true potential 'game changer'.
Of the 5,000 seriously ill patients who received blood plasma transfusions for the study, fewer than 1 percent experienced serious adverse events. The mortality rate seven days after treatment was 14.9 percent, but the researchers noted the infusion patients were already gravely ill and the rate "does not appear excessive."
JaxBill
Footballguy
That does seem high. Only thing i can point to is MN is one of only 2 states with a Rt number over 1 according to RtLive.
beer 30
Footballguy
Thermal scanning is akin to taking your shoes off at the airport to me. I get the need and yes, you’ll probably have a few hits that will require the person to go home but it sure seems there is a vast amount of asymptotic people out there that this will let through. At the doctors the other day they also required a fingertip oxygen test because they said they have seen asymptotic patients that might have felt something in their chest but nothing considered out of the ordinary but their oxygen count showed low enough to point toward infection.Quint said:
I don’t know but at least there was some attempt at a secondary test to identify infection. At some point I hope there is a noninvasive test that is reliable but until then I’d expect lines to get into work to pass through testing stations for large companies.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Update on this story...eoMMan said:
He has not even tested positive for covid and has now convinced tons of people that he got it through his eyes on a flight.
He could still be right, but again, how the heck is he so certain when he has been tested 4 times and been negative all four times?
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