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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (14 Viewers)

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It's not a right/left thing, it's more of a blue collar / white collar thing.

Blue collars have more of a "I'm tougher than the virus, bring it on" attitude.  I know a LOT of blue collar Democrats.

To be clear NOT ALL blue collar types think this way.  It is reflective of my experiences only.
Sure, like I said, maybe it varies by locale.  In my (admittedly limited) experience, right now it's split pretty clearly along political lines rather than socioeconomic, but I can only really speak to my circles and local social media feeds.  

 
I recall that one, though it's brought up far less often than some other ones -- the Boston-conference super-spreader, the Guangzhou restaurant one with the fan/window AC (brought up earlier today in this thread), the church choir in Washington state, the apartment-building-plumbing case in Hong Kong (almost certainly misinterpreted, no corroboration), etc.

...

You know ... that Chicago super-spreader article ... it mentions that (at the time) they thought someone caught it from the super-spreader via a church collection basket. Since this article was written, lots of sources (esp. the CDC) have all but excused publicly-touched objects as a transmission source. Looking back on it with up-to-date info, the Chicago super-spreader probably actually spread COVID-19 to his pew-mate simply by breathing nearby.

 
Just like the protestors?
Why invoke them? Yes, people protesting in tight groups without face coverings weren't thinking of the health and safety of others. But what does have to do with anything? It's not some winning "gotcha!" to bring up "the protestors", "the protestors", "the protestors", over and over.

And with that, we reach the banks of the PSF.

 
I've learned not to take too much away from data on Sunday/Monday, but thus far we haven't seen any serious escalations in Minnesota.  That's good news.  

 
Miami Dade hospitalizations ticking up and the %positive rate is above 10%. We should be pushing these metrics down.

ICU capacity is still good, and that's the only thing that would reverse the opening. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/conarck/status/1272591170737143809
Yeah I've been watching the site that someone linked a few days ago.  Florida ICU beds are currently at 1,659. Holding steady since I've started watching, which is good.  But based on what we've seen from their numbers in the last week, I'd expect those numbers to change.

 
Just like the protestors?
I was not a fan of what the protestors did either, from a health perspective.  I posted that many times. 

BUT...there are two significant differences.

1.  The protesters were outside.  This was an indoor bar.

2.  Protesters, for the most part, had masks on.  Those that didn't are just as selfish, imo.   The picture of the bar in Nashville had, that I could find, ONE person with a mask on, a bartender.

 
I've learned not to take too much away from data on Sunday/Monday, but thus far we haven't seen any serious escalations in Minnesota.  That's good news.  
Yeah 7 day averages are a good stat to watch. AZ’s numbers are looking horrible because they didn’t dip significantly on Sunday/Monday.

 
How do you figure they aren't selfish? I can only put them in one of two buckets - selfish or misinformed.
I think misinformed more than selfish
While mask usage around here hasn't been what I would consider ideal (95+%) ... more often than not when you go shop somewhere local lately, at least 3/4 are wearing face coverings. So, when you walk into place bare-faced and see 75-80% face-covering compliance or better, what goes through your head as walk in? "Buncha stupid, scared sheep?" "I'm young and healthy, not going to affect me!" "I never heard about wearing masks?!?"

I mean, when you kind of single yourself out like that ... you don't have a twinge of self-reflection? "Hmmm, I'm zigging and almost everyone else is zagging -- are they just stupid and wrong, or is there something else going on?"

 
My kid had a hockey tournament this past weekend.   Not a mask in site at the rink the entire weekend in Fargo ND.  I always stand down by the glass away from the crazy hockey parents anyways so I didn't care.   They did take all the kids temps before every game, that was about the extent of safety measures going on.

 
Yeah 7 day averages are a good stat to watch. AZ’s numbers are looking horrible because they didn’t dip significantly on Sunday/Monday.
I looked into AZ since they seem to be brought up a lot. Using their site, it looks like cases have been in line with the amount of tests but hospitalizations and deaths have been dropping over the past 2 weeks especially in the last week. Currently at 82% capacity

 
My kid had a hockey tournament this past weekend.   Not a mask in site at the rink the entire weekend in Fargo ND.  I always stand down by the glass away from the crazy hockey parents anyways so I didn't care.   They did take all the kids temps before every game, that was about the extent of safety measures going on.
Oof that's ridiculous in an indoor facility. 

 
So.  14 year old is scheduled to go to Florida stay in a training facility for 4 days with kids from all over.   I live in NJ so we are scheduled to fly.

Am I crazy to consider her going

 
I'm a little surprised that this young woman's story didn't make it into this thread. On June 5th, Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago performed the first double lung transplant on a 28-year-old COVID-19 survivor (NPR, 6/12/2020):

Doctors at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago announced Thursday they've performed the first successful double-lung transplant on a COVID-19 patient in the United States.

The woman in her 20s was otherwise healthy but developed a severe case of COVID-19 that resulted in hospitalization, says Dr. Ankit Bharat, Northwestern's chief of thoracic surgery.

For two months, she was in the intensive care unit on a ventilator and another machine, known as ECMO, that pumps and oxygenates blood outside of the body. Although she eventually cleared the coronavirus from her body, she remained in severe condition.

By early June, Bharat says the patient's lungs showed irreversible damage. She was at risk of further decline and began showing signs that her kidneys and liver were starting to fail with no improvement in her lung function.

"As a result of the COVID, she had formed these cavities inside the lung, and those cavities had become infected, and that bacteria was driving sepsis," Bharat says.

Bharat says they determined a double-lung transplant was her only chance of survival.
Her family later revealed her name when they started a GoFundMe campaign to help defray uncovered medical costs (further reading courtesy of PBS channel WTTW in Chicago).

 
Wife and I at the grocery yesterday - I purposefully counted masks while the wife searched for blueberries.  Of the 16 in the produce area, wife and I were the only one's with masks.

But I live in south central Indiana - so the number of hillbillies that just done care is higher than other areas.

Also IN before " look at me, I buy blueberries"    :gang1:

 
So.  14 year old is scheduled to go to Florida stay in a training facility for 4 days with kids from all over.   I live in NJ so we are scheduled to fly.

Am I crazy to consider her going
I consider myself fairly "on the fence" with all of this... mainly due to where I live and the anecdotal evidence I have collected over these past few months.... but there's no way I'd let my kid go to Florida for 4 days, especially with kids from "all over".  

Summer camps are almost assuredly going to happen here locally and I'm on the fence whether to let them go to those.  Will probably let them go since they'll be all about hand-washing and crap, my kids have been playing with neighborhood kids for the past month or so anyways.

 
So.  14 year old is scheduled to go to Florida stay in a training facility for 4 days with kids from all over.   I live in NJ so we are scheduled to fly.

Am I crazy to consider her going
on the flip side,  there are FL parents worried about their kid spending time with kids from NJ. 

Seriously though, I'd be more concerned about the plane.

 
on the flip side,  there are FL parents worried about their kid spending time with kids from NJ. 

Seriously though, I'd be more concerned about the plane.
Yeah if we alter we might drive.

But if Florida has the self quarantine thing still going it will be pointless

 
vacationing on the gulf side of Florida. Just came back from outdoor mall / boardwalk type area. We were among the 20% or so with masks. Somewhat busy but those shops are so tight it's pretty easy to be on someones space.

 
Miami Dade hospitalizations ticking up and the %positive rate is above 10%. We should be pushing these metrics down.

ICU capacity is still good, and that's the only thing that would reverse the opening. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/conarck/status/1272591170737143809
After flattening and finally going down, hospitalizations have increased over the past few days at Miami's 2,000 bed public health system. Now up to 137 Covid-19 positive in-patients. It was flat around 100 patients for about a week; the increase started 3 days ago: 114, 120, 129, 137.  

https://mobile.twitter.com/JacksonHealth/status/1272624649852145665

 
Interesting demographic data from Arizona's cases -- right now, roughly half of their detected COVID infections are in the 20-44 age group (Arizona Department of Health Services, 6/15/2020 [click on 'Demographics']).

I think the demographic numbers may lag the overall count numbers at upper left -- they don't match. Nevertheless, 3/4 of Arizona's cases do not have a chronic health condition (the usual comorbidities); and only about 1/3 of the state's cases are considered to be 'high risk' (over 65 + a chronic medical condition, defined at the link).

 
So.  14 year old is scheduled to go to Florida stay in a training facility for 4 days with kids from all over.   I live in NJ so we are scheduled to fly.

Am I crazy to consider her going
Number of cases and infection rate both going up....personally?  I wouldn't do it.  Of course, it's been this way from the beginning...we haven't hit a peak yet...still in the process of seeing what the size of wave 1 is going to be.

 
Isn't FL worse than NJ now?
Florida is trending much worse than NJ now but NJ has huge lead in deaths/million and cases/million.

Florida currently still has some restrictions on renting to folks from NY NJ  now (rental must be long enough to quarantine)

 
Florida is trending much worse than NJ now but NJ has huge lead in deaths/million and cases/million.

Florida currently still has some restrictions on renting to folks from NY NJ  now (rental must be long enough to quarantine)
Well we are staying with family but yeah that's the problem. How can we go but quarantine when it's only for a week

 
Interesting demographic data from Arizona's cases -- right now, roughly half of their detected COVID infections are in the 20-44 age group (Arizona Department of Health Services, 6/15/2020 [click on 'Demographics']).

I think the demographic numbers may lag the overall count numbers at upper left -- they don't match. Nevertheless, 3/4 of Arizona's cases do not have a chronic health condition (the usual comorbidities); and only about 1/3 of the state's cases are considered to be 'high risk' (over 65 + a chronic medical condition, defined at the link).
No worries. I hear the heat makes it go away.

 
Florida is trending much worse than NJ now but NJ has huge lead in deaths/million and cases/million.

Florida currently still has some restrictions on renting to folks from NY NJ  now (rental must be long enough to quarantine)
Well I'm assuming his trip is in the future and not the past to when NJ was worse. 

 
I shook hands with a few people yesterday. Felt weird. I didn't have sanitizer on me either. 
I met up with a buddy and his co-worker who were in town from Seattle on Thursday.  The initial "hey how you doin?" thing was awkward but they both felt comfortable shaking hands with me and I even got a little bro-hug from my buddy when we parted ways.  

 
Massages can start on the 19th here. Mandatory face coverings the whole time plus a bunch of other rules. I get it - but no thanks. hard to breathe face down anyway let alone suffocating with a mask. I used to go every 2 weeks. Not traveling so body is not getting messed up as much so I’ll just wait for a vaccine I guess

 
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