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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (11 Viewers)

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I was going to post this earlier but figured no one would take creed as it's not from a source I can cite to you all and sounds so unreliable . But now I will and you can choose to believe this or not.

The source of this information.  One of my oldest and best friends sister, who is a pediatric doctor in Arkansas and she is relaying the information she got from a front line Intensivist (ICU) doctor in Seattle she knows. So no this information is not being provided to me directly by someone I know, so believe me when I say the source is reliable. Some of the main things she said:

*We have 21 patients and 11 deaths since 2/28

*We are seeing patients in their 20's, fit, no comorbidities, critically ill. So it does happen.

*US has been past containment since January

*Currently all of ICU is for critically ill COVIDS, all of floor medsburg for stable COVIDS and EOL care, half of PCU, half of ER.(everything I just wrote was her words, I don't know what some of that stuff means)

If all of ICU is dedicated to COVID cases, that means they're past impacted. Anyone having a heart attack, flu repsonse, sepsis, respiratory distress, etc. is being diverted to another facility, or not treated. Working in healthcare, this is what scares me the most looking around where I work and area hospitals. If they are turning Med/Surg floors into COVID wings- more impact. Those are regular hospital beds. Obviously, you can't mix and match COVID cases with non-infected. EOL care is End of Life- so, they're putting people that are on comfort care, imminently dying in with COVID cases. You cancel any non-emergent surgery cases; you send people home that normally would receive care/monitoring and hope for the best. PCU is probably a Stepdown unit: care between normal and Critical. 

*she went on a long spiel about being out a lot of stuff like N95's and are bleaching and reusing PAPRS which is not the manufactures recommendation. (again her words, I don't know what some of that stuff means)

My facility is out of one size of the N95 masks. The ones we have are locked up. Obviously, it's not supposed to be like that. I am planning on the fact that I am probably going to get infected, and probably have a huge amount of OT, before being out of commission. We are going to have to stretch resources and relax standards that apply to normal conditions, and do the best we can with what is available. PAPR masks are like gas masks with hoods- the ones you see in movies, like Outbreak. They are meant to be cleaned and re-used. I don't follow about not being up to manufacturers's specs, but further into the "field expedient/do whatever works best" territory. 

*terminal cleans for ER COVID rooms are taking forever. Enviro services are overwhelmed. Bad as patients stuck coughing in waiting room. Wanted to implement a plan to have patients wait in cars but indicated it was not legal their.

Terminal cleaning is the cleaning that takes place to disinfect the room and surfaces after a patient leaves. Obviously, with COVID cases, there isn't even a standard, yet, because it's a novel virus. For example, terminal cleaning after a flu patient takes a long time because you have to be thorough and strip out curtains and stuff, and then run UV lights to disinfect. Having to do that level of cleaning for every single patient would slow things down enormously.
I put some notes of clarification in the email. I know it's third-hand info, but it sounds completely realistic. it's also troubling to hear it's already at that level in SEA. I have been looking around work, and talking to people from other local hospitals. There are a lot of pinch-points that are going to cause major issues in delivering care and serving the community. I'm resolved and confident we'll get through it, but it's going to be a very trying and troubling situation- a microcosm of the country and the world. 

 
Are y'all letting your kids go to their friends house tomorrow?  Letting other kids into your house?

Assume active community spread, and probably in the school.
Tough one. It’s warm here right now so we are thinking an hour or so with friends outside in the yard followed by a hot bath for the kids and a parental martini, stat. 

 
My story why I don't think Americans are taking this serious yet. I've already shared about my SIL thinking mosquitos kill more people than does annually (no concept of that won't be the case in a week). 

My GF and I were supposed to go to D.C. yesterday (live in Columbus, OH) for a Wings vs Caps game, and then other things planned for the weekend. Wednesday night the NBA started the dominos. So I followed all the news reports, and clearly saw the NHL was going to suspend the season, and most likely our other event would be cancelled as well. I made the decision around midnight Wednesday to cancel the trip. I was called selfish for cancelling it. Tried to tell her there would be many many more trips in our future, we don't need to be heros right now. Didn't matter. I was wrong and selfish, plus, the games weren't cancelled yet, so I suck!

Next day, NHL suspended, other event suspended. I was still wrong in her view. Now, she asked me to go downtown on st Patrick's day to party since we couldn't do our planned D.C. trip.  If anyone has been downtown Columbus for St Patrick's day, it's SLAMMED. Explained to her that we can just go get drunk in 3 weeks when this has been figured out, why do we need to risk it (for us, want to stress, for us) for a made up holiday? Again, I'm wrong and selfish. So yeah, outside of our FBG bubble, I don't think people care yet. 

TL:DR - sleep with her sister? Sleep with her mom? Hide hand sanitizer? Hide TP?

Stay safe everyone. 

 
Are y'all letting your kids go to their friends house tomorrow?  Letting other kids into your house?

Assume active community spread, and probably in the school.
Honestly, it's probably a case by case situation.  Just by glancing at FB for a couple seconds I know which families are on board with my thinking, so I am more willing to risk mixing it up with them than others.    I can't see forcing my kid to be a complete hermit in our house for 3 weeks+.   So if I have to make a choice, I would rather him go to a friend's house who I think is taking this seriously vs. what he usually ends up doing - going to the rec center in town and shooting hoops.  

 
My story why I don't think Americans are taking this serious yet. I've already shared about my SIL thinking mosquitos kill more people than does annually (no concept of that won't be the case in a week). 

My GF and I were supposed to go to D.C. yesterday (live in Columbus, OH) for a Wings vs Caps game, and then other things planned for the weekend. Wednesday night the NBA started the dominos. So I followed all the news reports, and clearly saw the NHL was going to suspend the season, and most likely our other event would be cancelled as well. I made the decision around midnight Wednesday to cancel the trip. I was called selfish for cancelling it. Tried to tell her there would be many many more trips in our future, we don't need to be heros right now. Didn't matter. I was wrong and selfish, plus, the games weren't cancelled yet, so I suck!

Next day, NHL suspended, other event suspended. I was still wrong in her view. Now, she asked me to go downtown on st Patrick's day to party since we couldn't do our planned D.C. trip.  If anyone has been downtown Columbus for St Patrick's day, it's SLAMMED. Explained to her that we can just go get drunk in 3 weeks when this has been figured out, why do we need to risk it (for us, want to stress, for us) for a made up holiday? Again, I'm wrong and selfish. So yeah, outside of our FBG bubble, I don't think people care yet. 

TL:DR - sleep with her sister? Sleep with her mom? Hide hand sanitizer? Hide TP?

Stay safe everyone. 
If people don't get it by now they never will. Wife was supposed to go to Vegas next month with a friend who is a known germophobe. Said friend can't believe everything is shutting down and thinks it's hysteria. This person brings their own silverware to restaurants and refuses to stay at AirBnBs. Some people are just insane.

 
Right.  So too late right?

Had a chance to be proactive on an individual level.  Now we don't.
Not at all, we still have a few weeks in America. We just need people to realize the gravity of the situation. The sooner that happens the better. A few thousand cases out of 300 million people, we can still get this.

 
Not at all, we still have a few weeks in America. We just need people to realize the gravity of the situation. The sooner that happens the better. A few thousand cases out of 300 million people, we can still get this.
What on earth makes you think we still have a few weeks?

A few thousand TESTED cases.  So tens of thousands.. hundreds of thousands untested?

eta - just use the "few thousand" cases.  Now work backwards to all of their contacts, work forwards and backwards to all those contacts of those contacts, and so on and so forth X a few thousand.  Lost cause.

 
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One of her clients today was a nurse.  Horror stories about them cutting the staff in an attempt to keep them healthy and prepped, but it meant she was there by herself.  Basically it just sounded like a day of her getting yelled at over the phone by people calling and demanding a CV test (even though they don't have the correct symptoms or just one, etc.. ) and saying how they don't care and aren't helping people in need.
We live in a country where folks live out of their medicine cabinet.  People are in full blown panic mode and acting the way people do.  Even worse than their normal terrible selves.

 
Are y'all letting your kids go to their friends house tomorrow?  Letting other kids into your house?

Assume active community spread, and probably in the school.
No.  No.  Maybe in 10-14 days with kids on our street I know have been in quarantine like we have.  But honestly, I expect the news to be so bad in 10 days no one's even thinking about it.

Any doubts I had about that went out the door as I'm reading this stuff out of Seattle.  First time I've been scared rather than just reacting to the data and trying to make good decisions.

 
Why is it hard to understand that testing is reactionary, ultimately doing little or nothing to stop the spread?

eta - it would NOT have been reactionary if we were testing 2 months ago.  Even then, as @Summer Wheat pointed out, probably futile.  At this point, lost cause.
I am not to the point that I think everybody has it everywhere in the country.   I would act differently if I knew for sure that I had it.   

Where I work I am in contact with a lot of people, and a lot of them travel.   IMO there is a big difference if I stopped going to work for the next week if I knew I was +, and if I didn't know but was and kept going to work.   No, I can't control who I have come in contact with in the last couple weeks if I unknowingly had it and passed it on, but if there were a quick and easy test I could take I would for sure go that route, and it would for sure stop the future spread if I was at home watching Buffy instead of serving 100s of travelers.  

 
Are y'all letting your kids go to their friends house tomorrow?  Letting other kids into your house?

Assume active community spread, and probably in the school.
Both kids spending the night at friends house tonight.

Both did same Wednesday night.

School cancelled next week on account of positive cases in area.

 
Offshoot poll:

We live in Queens NY. We recently bought a condo in Boise, Idaho. We had plans before all this went down to be going there for a week starting next Sunday. We are fully stocked here in NY, where we have lived our whole lives. Where all of our friends and family are.  The only living parent is my wife's mother, who to be honest, she doesn't really get along with. Her brother lives here. Since we've only been to Boise once since buying (in downtown, walkable to everything) we have barely any food or supplies there. We also don't really know anyone outside of people we just met briefly. It's a beautiful condo, great walking, open air, nice drives and an awesome hospital system compared to the horrible Elmhurst hospital we would be subjected to here.  We are taking a chance of transporting the virus there. We might be lepers there to them, especially since their first case was from NY. We might not be able to get back to NY that soon but financially we could handle it. What would you do?

Hit "thanks" if we should stay in NY

Hit "heart" if we should go to Boise

 
I am guessing it should calm down a bit.  Nothing else, I will just try my runs in the dead of night again if we need something.  Like the above person said, not like grocery stores are closing yet - but as we see more and more positives coming out, who knows.  
They may not be closing but with staff going out sick, it'll be nuttier in there with lines, stocking and such than it is now. That's what many people are trying to avoid by stocking up over the possible 14 or more days of quarantine. I've seen places with managers out helping. I sure don't want to be in the markets from now on especially since no one can really know what's ahead.

 
I am not to the point that I think everybody has it everywhere in the country.   I would act differently if I knew for sure that I had it.   

Where I work I am in contact with a lot of people, and a lot of them travel.   IMO there is a big difference if I stopped going to work for the next week if I knew I was +, and if I didn't know but was and kept going to work.   No, I can't control who I have come in contact with in the last couple weeks if I unknowingly had it and passed it on, but if there were a quick and easy test I could take I would for sure go that route, and it would for sure stop the future spread if I was at home watching Buffy instead of serving 100s of travelers.  
Not everyone everywhere has it.  But it is everywhere.

Hide from it all you want.. you may slow it down.  You will not stop it.

Testing without any purpose beyond reactionary is pointless.  Get a treatment or cure?  Cool, makes sense.  Right now without a treatment or cure, knowing we are months behind.. worse than useless.

eat - Worse than useless for prevention.  Now that it will be free and you feel better getting tested?  Go nuts.  But what if you test negative today and get it tomorrow?  Are you going to get tested daily?

 
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What on earth makes you think we still have a few weeks?

A few thousand TESTED cases.  So tens of thousands.. hundreds of thousands untested?

eta - just use the "few thousand" cases.  Now work backwards to all of their contacts, work forwards and backwards to all those contacts of those contacts, and so on and so forth X a few thousand.  Lost cause.






https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-response-specialre/italy-and-south-korea-virus-outbreaks-reveal-disparity-in-deaths-and-tactics-idUSKBN20Z27P

That is quite a few negative tests. The graphs that the epidemoliogists publish show that we have 1 week before we need to get serious, although. We need to start getting serious.

South Korea has since reported 67 deaths out of nearly 8,000 confirmed cases, after testing more than 222,000 people. In contrast, Italy has had 1,016 deaths and identified more than 15,000 cases after carrying out more than 73,000 tests on an unspecified number of people.

Epidemiologists say it is not possible to compare the numbers directly. But some say the dramatically different outcomes point to an important insight: Aggressive and sustained testing is a powerful tool for fighting the virus.
 
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Not everyone everywhere has it.  But it is everywhere.

Hide from it all you want.. you may slow it down.  You will not stop it.

Testing without any purpose beyond reactionary is pointless.  Get a treatment or cure?  Cool, makes sense.  Right now without a treatment or cure, knowing we are months behind.. worse than useless.
To be clear, I am not super worried about me.  Statistically I am not in the demographic that should be overly worried.  But I do have my father living with us who has emphysema and I deal with a lot of seniors at the restaurant.  So if I could shelter myself and save it from spreading to somebody like that, I am down.  

 
To be clear, I am not super worried about me.  Statistically I am not in the demographic that should be overly worried.  But I do have my father living with us who has emphysema and I deal with a lot of seniors at the restaurant.  So if I could shelter myself and save it from spreading to somebody like that, I am down.  
So then I am not sure what the discussion is about.

I could have sworn you were worried about testing.

 
This Verge article has more details of the Google site that Trump announced at the press conference and (as expected) there's some clarifications coming.

It seems likely that Verily (the Alphabet subsidiary developing the triage website) had no idea Trump was going to announce this thing in front of the nation. This was a centerpiece of his press conference today, and one of the first things he touted.
I can't catch up on this thread, so SIAP, but there's an article in Wired that basically said Google had no idea Trump was going to go public, they had no intention of having the site available to the public (it was supposed to be for healthcare workers), and they will not list any testing sites outside of San Francisco. But other than that, he nailed it!

 
To be clear, I am not super worried about me.  Statistically I am not in the demographic that should be overly worried.  But I do have my father living with us who has emphysema and I deal with a lot of seniors at the restaurant.  So if I could shelter myself and save it from spreading to somebody like that, I am down.  
Way too many people are just looking at themselves, especially younger folks. If I got my now disabled dad sick like that, I'd feel worse than he would.

 
Offshoot poll:

We live in Queens NY. We recently bought a condo in Boise, Idaho. We had plans before all this went down to be going there for a week starting next Sunday. We are fully stocked here in NY, where we have lived our whole lives. Where all of our friends and family are.  The only living parent is my wife's mother, who to be honest, she doesn't really get along with. Her brother lives here. Since we've only been to Boise once since buying (in downtown, walkable to everything) we have barely any food or supplies there. We also don't really know anyone outside of people we just met briefly. It's a beautiful condo, great walking, open air, nice drives and an awesome hospital system compared to the horrible Elmhurst hospital we would be subjected to here.  We are taking a chance of transporting the virus there. We might be lepers there to them, especially since their first case was from NY. We might not be able to get back to NY that soon but financially we could handle it. What would you do?

Hit "thanks" if we should stay in NY

Hit "heart" if we should go to Boise
I live in Boise. Virus is already here brought by someone who traveled to NY.  Don't think you're safer in downtown Boise than where u are now.  Doubt people will be as friendly as they were before...but we ain't like east coasters either.  If u don't have a primary care provider here...you might be in big trouble seeing a doc except in an extreme emergency...in the best of times it might take 6 months to get one.  Stores right now are pretty stocked, but that could change.  Spring break next week...after that I expect craziness.  So if you are coming you have less than 5 days to get here and stock up.

 
So then I am not sure what the discussion is about.

I could have sworn you were worried about testing.


Why do you think that the whole world is worried about ramping up testing and the fact that the stock market reacted extremely positive today to ramping up US testing, yet you continue to downplay it.

What do you think is the difference between what you believe and what every other major country/economy believes. Do you think everyone is wrong?

 
Why do you think that the whole world is worried about ramping up testing and the fact that the stock market reacted extremely positive today to ramping up US testing, yet you continue to downplay it.

What do you think is the difference between what you believe and what every other major country/economy believes. Do you think everyone is wrong?
The whole world is in reactionary mode.

I think I have exaplained this and why I think it ad nauseam.

Right/wrong isn't the point.  You are reacting, the world is reacting.  The virus was ahead of us from the get go.

Too late.

 
The whole world is in reactionary mode.

I think I have exaplained this and why I think it ad nauseam.

Right/wrong isn't the point.  You are reacting, the world is reacting.  The virus was ahead of us from the get go.

Too late.
So we should give up and become Italy/Iran?

What point are you trying to make?

 
I live in Boise. Virus is already here brought by someone who traveled to NY.  Don't think you're safer in downtown Boise than where u are now.  Doubt people will be as friendly as they were before...but we ain't like east coasters either.  If u don't have a primary care provider here...you might be in big trouble seeing a doc except in an extreme emergency...in the best of times it might take 6 months to get one.  Stores right now are pretty stocked, but that could change.  Spring break next week...after that I expect craziness.  So if you are coming you have less than 5 days to get here and stock up.
What happened to that beer you offered? lol

Me, you and @Getzlaf15

 
My shopping trips this week:

Saturday: Costco, Kroger
Tuesday: Costco
Thursday: Costco, Kroger
Friday: Costco, Meijer

I am ####ing exhausted and don't want to go into a store for another 3 months.
Why......why do you keep going back to Costco?

 
So we should give up and become Italy/Iran?

What point are you trying to make?
:lmao:

Come on.

MY POINT IS THAT TESTING IS NOT EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING THE SPREAD.

Because it is reactionary.  The chance to be proactive with testing is gone.

The only proactive option left is to cancel/prevent mass gatherings.... as you are seeing now.

 
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My story why I don't think Americans are taking this serious yet. I've already shared about my SIL thinking mosquitos kill more people than does annually (no concept of that won't be the case in a week). 

My GF and I were supposed to go to D.C. yesterday (live in Columbus, OH) for a Wings vs Caps game, and then other things planned for the weekend. Wednesday night the NBA started the dominos. So I followed all the news reports, and clearly saw the NHL was going to suspend the season, and most likely our other event would be cancelled as well. I made the decision around midnight Wednesday to cancel the trip. I was called selfish for cancelling it. Tried to tell her there would be many many more trips in our future, we don't need to be heros right now. Didn't matter. I was wrong and selfish, plus, the games weren't cancelled yet, so I suck!

Next day, NHL suspended, other event suspended. I was still wrong in her view. Now, she asked me to go downtown on st Patrick's day to party since we couldn't do our planned D.C. trip.  If anyone has been downtown Columbus for St Patrick's day, it's SLAMMED. Explained to her that we can just go get drunk in 3 weeks when this has been figured out, why do we need to risk it (for us, want to stress, for us) for a made up holiday? Again, I'm wrong and selfish. So yeah, outside of our FBG bubble, I don't think people care yet. 

TL:DR - sleep with her sister? Sleep with her mom? Hide hand sanitizer? Hide TP?

Stay safe everyone. 
She sounds terrible. 

 
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