*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (9 Viewers)

[parasaurolophus]

Definitely not essential. Just frustrating to finally have time to do things around the house and can't do them

The problem with home projects is they take 37 trips to the hardware store. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Another "would you?" question -

considering inviting bro-in-law & family over for Easter.  Two parents, 3 kids, youngest is an infant and the other 2 are same ages as my kids.  They have been quarantining as much as we have.  SIL is a former nurse and has been taking this very seriously.  They would be traveling 4 hours.

Thoughts?

If everyone wanted to do “just one thing” social or involving travel, then all of us would still be out and interacting together. 

 

[jamny]

Another "would you?" question -

considering inviting bro-in-law & family over for Easter.  Two parents, 3 kids, youngest is an infant and the other 2 are same ages as my kids.  They have been quarantining as much as we have.  SIL is a former nurse and has been taking this very seriously.  They would be traveling 4 hours.

Thoughts?

No way. Not worth it.

 

[Keerock]

What are your thoughts on trips to Home Depot? There's so much I can be doing around the house but that would require several trips to HD. So frustrating. 

Same.  Got a lot of projects. 

HD and Amazon deliver.  I just got a new bathroom fan delivered yesterday that I'm installing today

 

[jhib]

The problem with home projects is they take 37 trips to the hardware store. 

Sorry, but you needed the smaller dohickey to work with that thingamabob.  Looks like 38.

 

[Anarchy99]

Can’t Cure Stupid, Part 2

Apparently we have family in Missouri (who knew)?  Three generations living in one house. The parents and kids have ignored any directives and are going in and out of the house all day long. They go to friends, have had parties, have tons of people over, go out to anyplace still open, etc. Oh . . . perhaps they may want to consider that Grandpa has COPD and is on oxygen and lives with them! Sadly, you can’t make this stuff up. I weep for humanity. 

 

[NotSmart]

Another "would you?" question -

considering inviting bro-in-law & family over for Easter.  Two parents, 3 kids, youngest is an infant and the other 2 are same ages as my kids.  They have been quarantining as much as we have.  SIL is a former nurse and has been taking this very seriously.  They would be traveling 4 hours.

Thoughts?

I personally wouldn't, but I understand the desire.

I  have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'll just distill it down to two:

• If someone got sick at some point after the get together (let alone two or more people), I'd never forgive myself and I'd always wonder if the get together was the source.
  
• Quarantines take discipline; there's no such thing as a partial quarantine.  Every outside interaction carries some risk, even if it's miniscule. 
  

 

[parasaurolophus]

Can’t Cure Stupid, Part 2

Apparently we have family in Missouri (who knew)?  Three generations living in one house. The parents and kids have ignored any directives and are going in and out of the house all day long. They go to friends, have had parties, have tons of people over, go out to anyplace still open, etc. Oh . . . perhaps they may want to consider that Grandpa has COPD and is on oxygen and lives with them! Sadly, you can’t make this stuff up. I weep for humanity. 

I saw grandpa at the store buying whiskey and donuts. 

 

[JaxBill]

I went to Home Depot Sunday and it was packed.  I got the custom paint match and got out. 

i figured anything else i need, that i could order online at Lowe's and do a quick pickup.

Even the local Ace hardware has online ordering/curbside pickup. Heading over shortly for a couple yardwork items and not leaving my car.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Quarantines take discipline; there's no such thing as a partial quarantine

Lol. Its like you dont live here.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Another "would you?" question -

considering inviting bro-in-law & family over for Easter.  Two parents, 3 kids, youngest is an infant and the other 2 are same ages as my kids.  They have been quarantining as much as we have.  SIL is a former nurse and has been taking this very seriously.  They would be traveling 4 hours.

Thoughts?

One doctor said "Don't behave like you don't want to catch the virus, behave like you have it and don't want to spread it."

 

[Galileo]

I saw grandpa at the store buying whiskey and donuts. 

Both essential.

 

[Blick]

As someone who’s been doing the right things, staying home, and strictly eliminating interactions, it’s getting harder to understand the end game here. The only plan we have, and it’s not really a plan, is to continue strict social distancing.  

We can’t do this forever.  It would be nice to hear government officials outline steps for when and under what conditions this could end. We’ve been shut down for two weeks now, there are only a small handful of cases in my area.  Frustration is starting to set in.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Yeah I don't do any of that when I go food shopping. If I get it I get it

Keep being self-centered and lazy and you will. 

 

[Galileo]

A 102-year-old Italian woman has recovered from coronavirus

LINK

She doesn't look a day past 87

 

[Gawain]

A hundred pages or so I asked what this would do to school taxes. I should have also asked what it would do for college students and parents who are now facing shakier employment prospects through the rushed out distance learning program of places charging 80K for a piece of paper.

Some NYU Tisch students have started asking the tuition question and the Dean sent this video of her Dancing as a nice proper FU.

 

[The Flying Turtle]

Non-China Reported Cases

2/7 - 277 reported cases

2/12 - 490 reported cases

2/17 - 893 reported cases -  5 dead 

2/22 - 1,834 reported cases - 19 dead

2/26 - 3,650 reported cases - 57 dead

2/29 - 7,155 reported cases - 109 dead - USA 68 cases - 1 dead

3/5 - 17,353 reported cases - 344 dead - USA 210 cases - 12 dead

3/9 - 33,303 reported cases - 881 dead - USA 628 cases - 26 dead

3/13 - 64,567 reported cases - 2,239 dead - USA 2,269 cases - 48 dead

3/18 - 138,059 reported cases - 5,715 dead - USA 9,301 cases - 152 dead

3/19 - 164,646 reported cases - 6,800 dead - USA 14,299 cases - 218 dead

3/20 - 194,589 reported cases - 8,126 dead - USA 19,383 cases - 256 dead

3/21 - 225,885 reported cases - 9,771 dead - USA 26,112 cases - 325 dead

3/22 - 255,584 reported cases - 11,350 dead - USA 33,346 cases - 414 dead

3/23 - 297,299 reported cases - 13,221 dead - USA 43,449 cases - 545 dead

3/24 - 340,116 reported cases - 15,527 dead - USA 53,595 cases - 696 dead

3/25 - 387,081 reported cases - 17,899 dead - USA 65,652 cases - 931 dead

3/26 - 450,923 reported cases - 20,798 dead - USA  85,594 cases - 1,300 dead

3/27 - 514,956 reported cases - 24,048 dead - USA 104,126 cases - 1,695 dead

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-J_vry7rclLIGooJ-Cu7OFH8rRRjB51lz1iGkwcTETc/edit#gid=0

can someone please help me. I don’t work with google docs very often (I am afraid I am past the age/technology barrier). 
 

This google doc is not updating for me. It still shows data from Wednesday. I tried removing and reloading, but that didn’t help. 

 

[the moops]

I have gotten two deliveries from Home Depot over the past 2 weeks. Have gone in once, but didn't feel right doing so, for it was way too crowded for my liking. And now that I have done the delivery thing, I don't think I will ever go back to physically going to the store (unless it is for just a few small things).

It was 75 bucks for delivery, but I bought like 700 dollars worth of stuff. Would have taken me a couple trips to fit all the material in my van, and also would have taken me several hours total in going to store, finding materials, paying, loading, and unloading into my garage. Well worth the delivery charge if you are getting sheet goods or a bunch of lumber. I opened my garage door, dude loaded pallet right in, and drove away. Didn't have to sign or even talk to the dude.

I have a big basement bedroom + family room renovation going on. I am out of work, so this is the perfect time to work down there. So...I encourage the deliuvery services

 

[shader]

So in the UK they reported 2500 cases today, but apparently they only did something like 4500 tests and more than half were positive.  It’s amazing how bad some rich countries are at testing.

 

[[scooter]]

My bro emailed this to me...

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

HTH

This did not come from Johns Hopkins and is the coronavirus equivalent of a chain letter.

link 

 

[cosjobs]

If there's something you need to fix, then sure. Ask if it's essential. If not and just looking to get stuff done while you're home, no different than going out to pick up some new games or to Blockbuster to grab a few movies. Or bagels.

Pretty sure Blockbuster and Covid19 have never existed in the same dimension,.

 

[parasaurolophus]

This did not come from Johns Hopkins and is the coronavirus equivalent of a chain letter.

link 

I didnt read it very closely, but i knew it was trash when i saw the 65% comment about listerine. I had looked at it when I was trying to make hand sanitizer. 

 

[shader]

can someone please help me. I don’t work with google docs very often (I am afraid I am past the age/technology barrier). 
 

This google doc is not updating for me. It still shows data from Wednesday. I tried removing and reloading, but that didn’t help. 

That’s on me. I didn’t update Thur and Fri. I’ll edit it in a little bit

 

[Terminalxylem]

As someone who’s been doing the right things, staying home, and strictly eliminating interactions, it’s getting harder to understand the end game here. The only plan we have, and it’s not really a plan, is to continue strict social distancing.  

We can’t do this forever.  It would be nice to hear government officials outline steps for when and under what conditions this could end. We’ve been shut down for two weeks now, there are only a small handful of cases in my area.  Frustration is starting to set in.

People keep saying this, but no one is advocating permanent social distancing. Given what we know about the virus' incubation and period of contagion, we'd ideally need everybody to stay at home at least a month. But everyone can't stay home, so a longer period is almost certainly necessary. Under no scenario is two weeks enough. Nor is waiting until Easter.

Remember, you're not only trying decrease transmission, you're buying time for healthcare infrastructure to ramp up production of PPE, ventilators, etc., along with mobilizing a workforce to take care of patients. And perhaps more importantly, rapid diagnostic tests are being developed, including some which will suggest natural immunity and facilitate returning safely to the workforce.

Lastly, researchers are working around the clock to develop treatments, though I don't expect those to be the most important measures to curb the pandemic. Our collective behavior is the primary determinant of the pandemic's trajectory in the upcoming months, with a vaccine the mostly likely long term solution.

 

[Politician Spock]

As someone who’s been doing the right things, staying home, and strictly eliminating interactions, it’s getting harder to understand the end game here. The only plan we have, and it’s not really a plan, is to continue strict social distancing.  

We can’t do this forever.  It would be nice to hear government officials outline steps for when and under what conditions this could end. We’ve been shut down for two weeks now, there are only a small handful of cases in my area.  Frustration is starting to set in.

They aren't going to tell us everything up front. They are giving it to us in bits and pieces to keep us from overreacting. For example, my wife is a teacher in Ohio, and all teachers have already been told that school is cancelled for the year by Governor DeWine. But when DeWine speaks to the public and is asked about the schools not returning  on April 6th, he says it's "possible" the kids may not return for the rest of the school year. He has a plan of what date in the future he is going to reveal that they are closed. Everything he has been doing has been done in bits and pieces over time. 

Despite what Trump and his Wall Street buddies want, the end game, or even a partial end game, will not occur at Easter. There is a reason why the stimulus bill he signed includes 4 months of unemployment. That should tell you right there that at the earliest we are looking at late July for an end game. And to be honest, even that is optimistic. I heard on the news last night that some in the NCAA are already assuming the 2020 college football season isn't going to happen. I was seriously hoping to avoid that, but reality is setting in for me on that one too.

If frustration is already starting to set in, then I recommend finding some method of managing that, either through activity or medication. I recommend Kava. A brewed Kava tea tastes like crap, but works wonders. It's recently been growing in popularity among people who want to go out with friends at night, but don't want to drink alcohol. There are Kava bars that were open in NYC, Miami and such before the lockdown. But if drinking a crap tasting tea to get the calming effects doesn't sound appealing, you can get it delivered in pill forms and spray forms from Amazon. 

I'm sure other people here could recommend ways they deal with frustration. That may be the most positive we can start sharing with each other in this thread, because we are likely in this for a really long haul, and now that we are weeks into it, the frustration is probably growing high for a lot of people. 

 

[McBokonon]

We can’t do this forever.  
 

It would be nice to hear government officials outline steps for when and under what conditions this could end.

Not even the most concerned think this needs to go on forever.

 This government is led by someone who doesn’t want to shut down at all (not being political, that’s just objectively true) so you’re not going to get that from them, at least not coherently. I think listening to state/local officials and people linked in this thread (seriously, despite normal bickering this thread has been way ahead of every outlet by and large) is your best bet to get a sense of time table.

 I’m frustrated, too. This sucks.

 

[CR69]

This did not come from Johns Hopkins and is the coronavirus equivalent of a chain letter.

link 

Ok, which one of you is drinking bleach?

 

[Blick]

People keep saying this, but no one is advocating permanent social distancing. Given what we know about the virus' incubation and period of contagion, we'd ideally need everybody to stay at home at least a month. But everyone can't stay home, so a longer period is almost certainly necessary. Under no scenario is two weeks enough. Nor is waiting until Easter.

Remember, you're not only trying decrease transmission, you're buying time for healthcare infrastructure to ramp up production of PPE, ventilators, etc., along with mobilizing a workforce to take care of patients. And perhaps more importantly, rapid diagnostic tests are being developed, including some which will suggest natural immunity and facilitate returning safely to the workforce.

Lastly, researchers are working around the clock to develop treatments, though I don't expect those to be the most important measures to curb the pandemic. Our collective behavior is the primary determinant of the pandemic's trajectory in the upcoming months, with a vaccine the mostly likely long term solution.

Understood. So the “plan” is for everyone to stay home for as long as socially possible? 

 

[Murph]

What are your thoughts on trips to Home Depot? There's so much I can be doing around the house but that would require several trips to HD. So frustrating. 

Am I misremembering or didn't you just post the other day that you weren't feeling well? Come on man, stay home. The pile-on over the bagels was unwarranted but really you should be reducing trips outside your home. Not looking for reasons to go out.

 

[Otis]

Definitely not essential. Just frustrating to finally have time to do things around the house and can't do them

Amazon.

 

[BigJim®]

As someone who’s been doing the right things, staying home, and strictly eliminating interactions, it’s getting harder to understand the end game here. The only plan we have, and it’s not really a plan, is to continue strict social distancing.  

We can’t do this forever.  It would be nice to hear government officials outline steps for when and under what conditions this could end. We’ve been shut down for two weeks now, there are only a small handful of cases in my area.  Frustration is starting to set in.

The end game has neon lights around it... from the beginning the objective has been flattening the curve to ensure that medical systems are not overwhelmed. I haven't heard anyone suggest we need to do this forever.

 

[McBokonon]

We had a Starbucks open up within walking distance a while back, and it occupied half of the building. So the whole neighborhood speculated on who would move in to the other half. I wanted Chipotle. It’s going to be a chain anyway, there’s no quick option like that in walking distance, I like it enough, etc. and that’s a common pairing. I tried to will that Chipotle into existence.

Instead we got a Buffalo Spot, some gross-looking cheese curd wing abomination. I hope it fails immediately.

 Anyway, I’m making barbacoa for the first time ever because of corona and because there’s no Chipotle to walk to. Everything happens for a reason?

 

[Blick]

The end game has neon lights around it... from the beginning the objective has been flattening the curve to ensure that medical systems are not overwhelmed. I haven't heard anyone suggest we need to do this forever.

I should have said a “very extended undetermined amount time” instead of forever.   

I don’t see any way the US is going to continue this for several more weeks more while society and the economy crumble.  Definitely not months. 

 

[Doug B]

The building where I work sent out a notice that someone who works there tested positive. I haven't been there for some time but I was there after they said the person last accessed it. No worries, it was some time ago now, but it's just a continuation of the pinging that's been going on around here.

Same at my workplace. Given our locations, my assumption is that our offices are probably less than 10 minutes apart on foot. Could even be the same building.

 

[shader]

Understood. So the “plan” is for everyone to stay home for as long as socially possible? 

Blick, kudos to you for following the rules.  Unforgivably there is no “plan”. It’s being handled at the mayor/governor level.  The federal government hasn’t done anything other than make recommendations.

Other countries have strict lockdowns.  The USA does not. If you live in NYC, a hotbed, you can go to the airport and fly anywhere across the country.  You can get in your car and go anywhere.

Same thing with NO, Detroit, Seattle, LA, etc.

Theres absolutely zero proof that these half measures will work.  Logically they will slow down the spread, but it’s an almost 100% guarantee that they won’t stop the spread.  And there’s a really good chance that the “flatten the curve” model will fail disastrously.

The best news would have been if the rumored federal lockdown/quarantine 12 days ago would have been true.  We’d be in great shape right now if it had been implemented and an Easter timeframe would have been possible for a limited re-opening.

 

[GawainB]

This did not come from Johns Hopkins and is the coronavirus equivalent of a chain letter.

link 

The original post can be unclear, and may or may not come from a verifiably useful source.  The "debunking" site you gave is straight crap, as it spends its entirety debunking strawmen.

YES, the WHO, along with anyone else with a background in medicine, biology, or common sense, will tell you not to drink bleach.  The original post did not advise drinking bleach.

Nothing in that post is in reference to internal use, including the bit about Listerine.  It's only considering it as a topical in that blurb.  And while it could certainly be worded better and more responsibly, so could your admonition.  Look at each item, think what it advises, and consider. 

When the WHO responds directly to that piece, go ahead and link it up.  When John Q. Internetcrusader tries to apply one set of guidelines to another, and doesn't understand either, then throw it up on his blog and poses as an expert, bad things happen. There's a lot of info coming from all quarters right now, and we need to be careful when we look at it, whether it says "Johns Hopkins," or "I debunk myths."

 

[Thunderlips]

The end game has neon lights around it... from the beginning the objective has been flattening the curve to ensure that medical systems are not overwhelmed. I haven't heard anyone suggest we need to do this forever.

This.

 

[DallasDMac]

Just tried to shop for a chest freezer at Best Buy. I guess I found the one thing harder to get than TP.

 

[BigJim®]

I should have said a “very extended undetermined amount time” instead of forever.   

I don’t see any way the US is going to continue this for several more weeks more while society and the economy crumble.  Definitely not months. 

I think the goal of the $2T package was to give us an economic band aid to do what needs to be done. My impression is the alternative, going about life as usual, has worse consequences. There doesn't seem to be a path to avoid economic impact.

 

[[scooter]]

As someone who’s been doing the right things, staying home, and strictly eliminating interactions, it’s getting harder to understand the end game here. The only plan we have, and it’s not really a plan, is to continue strict social distancing.  

We can’t do this forever.  It would be nice to hear government officials outline steps for when and under what conditions this could end. We’ve been shut down for two weeks now, there are only a small handful of cases in my area.  Frustration is starting to set in.

More and more people are going to start ignoring quarantines. Which will just make things worse. Which will cause more and more people to ignore the quarantines. Which will just make things worse.

By July, the vast majority of the country will basically say "Screw it. If I die, I die."

 

[shader]

More and more people are going to start ignoring quarantines. Which will just make things worse. Which will cause more and more people to ignore the quarantines. Which will just make things worse.

By July, the vast majority of the country will basically say "Screw it. If I die, I die."

My personal prediction is that in 10-14 days the healthcare system in this country will be in such shambles that a national quarantine will happen. This will be a very late and reactive measure by the govt. 

 

[moleculo]

One doctor said "Don't behave like you don't want to catch the virus, behave like you have it and don't want to spread it."

This is good advice.  Its entirely possible I (or any of us, really)  have it now and am in the asymptomatic phase.  I would hate to be responsible for spreading to bro-in-law and family.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Just tried to shop for a chest freezer at Best Buy. I guess I found the one thing harder to get than TP.

Asked my wife to get some active dry yeast at the store yesterday.
 

“Sold out, been sold out for weeks, and no idea when they will have more” is what she was told 

 

[Doug B]

At least we’re now consulting with the right people...

A-Rod: "Sure, I got advice for you if you want to crush a curveball or snag a mean hopper. For this? Dr. Fauci is standing next to you every day -- talk to THAT guy. Talk to him a lot."

 

[Cowboysfan8]

My personal prediction is that in 10-14 days the healthcare system in this country will be in such shambles that a national quarantine will happen. This will be a very late and reactive measure by the govt. 

I don’t see it

Trump will do everything he can to “open things back up” as soon as he can imo

Even if it’s counties in states that havent been hit hard yet

 

[parasaurolophus]

The original post can be unclear, and may or may not come from a verifiably useful source.  The "debunking" site you gave is straight crap, as it spends its entirety debunking strawmen.

YES, the WHO, along with anyone else with a background in medicine, biology, or common sense, will tell you not to drink bleach.  The original post did not advise drinking bleach.

Nothing in that post is in reference to internal use, including the bit about Listerine.  It's only considering it as a topical in that blurb.  And while it could certainly be worded better and more responsibly, so could your admonition.  Look at each item, think what it advises, and consider. 

When the WHO responds directly to that piece, go ahead and link it up.  When John Q. Internetcrusader tries to apply one set of guidelines to another, and doesn't understand either, then throw it up on his blog and poses as an expert, bad things happen. There's a lot of info coming from all quarters right now, and we need to be careful when we look at it, whether it says "Johns Hopkins," or "I debunk myths."

The debunking was a bit overboard, but there us some trash in there. The listerine data is bad. False. Not even for hands, surfaces, etc. 

The UV light data is bad too.

The foam bit as well. 

 

[[scooter]]

This did not come from Johns Hopkins and is the coronavirus equivalent of a chain letter.

link 

The original post can be unclear, and may or may not come from a verifiably useful source.  The "debunking" site you gave is straight crap, as it spends its entirety debunking strawmen.

YES, the WHO, along with anyone else with a background in medicine, biology, or common sense, will tell you not to drink bleach.  The original post did not advise drinking bleach.

Nothing in that post is in reference to internal use, including the bit about Listerine.  It's only considering it as a topical in that blurb.  And while it could certainly be worded better and more responsibly, so could your admonition.  Look at each item, think what it advises, and consider. 

When the WHO responds directly to that piece, go ahead and link it up.  When John Q. Internetcrusader tries to apply one set of guidelines to another, and doesn't understand either, then throw it up on his blog and poses as an expert, bad things happen. There's a lot of info coming from all quarters right now, and we need to be careful when we look at it, whether it says "Johns Hopkins," or "I debunk myths."

Good lord.

I'm not going to listen unless THE GOVERNMENT officially responds to my Facebook post!

We shouldn't be encouraging chain letters. Full stop.

 

[Flying Elvis]

If they are quarantining as stringently as you, then by Easter, assuming no further contacts with outside world, this is fine. Reintegrating social “pods” is reasonable, as long as each is following protocols. For example, assume they need gas to and from your trip. Is the person getting said gas wiping down the nozzle and card used to pay? Will they pledge not to go in to buy chips and beer at the station? If they can be trusted and have answers to how they are prepared to minimize risk along each step, then it’s not an outlandish notion.

I say this even as I did not allow SIL to drop donuts on our porch today, because she and her family have not been taking this as seriously, they don’t follow strict protocols, and it simply isn’t worth the risk, albeit minimal.

But also, by Easter, you will have an idea how healthcare resources are tracking in your area versus caseload, and can adjust accordingly. Getting this isn’t the end of the world. Getting it at the wrong time matters more. 

This was my thinking, as well.

I don't think I've missed any posts in here... @Atomic Punkmake it home from LAX?

 

[moleculo]

IMO we will know when we can let off a little bit when (1) testing is ubiquitous (2) the number of new infections per day is clearly decreasing and (3) our hospitals can handle it.

 

[Gawain]

This did not come from Johns Hopkins and is the coronavirus equivalent of a chain letter.

link 

The original post can be unclear, and may or may not come from a verifiably useful source.  The "debunking" site you gave is straight crap, as it spends its entirety debunking strawmen.

YES, the WHO, along with anyone else with a background in medicine, biology, or common sense, will tell you not to drink bleach.  The original post did not advise drinking bleach.

Nothing in that post is in reference to internal use, including the bit about Listerine.  It's only considering it as a topical in that blurb.  And while it could certainly be worded better and more responsibly, so could your admonition.  Look at each item, think what it advises, and consider. 

When the WHO responds directly to that piece, go ahead and link it up.  When John Q. Internetcrusader tries to apply one set of guidelines to another, and doesn't understand either, then throw it up on his blog and poses as an expert, bad things happen. There's a lot of info coming from all quarters right now, and we need to be careful when we look at it, whether it says "Johns Hopkins," or "I debunk myths."

Good lord.

I'm not going to listen unless THE GOVERNMENT officially responds to my Facebook post!

We shouldn't be encouraging chain letters. Full stop.

He's giving a bad look to the name Gawain

I posted this to Reddit on a throwaway, but wanted to put it here as well:

Throwaway for obvious reasons.

I manage a warehouse of about 100 people. Two weeks ago my director's spouting off that there's no reason to take any protective actions. I can't get permission to pull the communal coffee pot that almost every employee touches on a daily basis. I have several folks out for quarantine and HR is unwilling to share any information. I can't even get guidance as to how to code these folks when I'm entering time. Guys are starting to see sick - unpaid, because they have used up their paid sick time and don't want to use personal.

As a union shop, it's unclear how far I can push a guy that is at work, but shouldn't be. I had a guy inside coughing, who swore up and down that it was just a cold. My boss stays in his office and his boss has been on site for 45 minutes max since his proclamation that "it's not even a flu" two weeks ago. Meanwhile, I'm putting on my managers that they have to try to disinfect every piece of communal equipment in the entire building.

Corporate and HR won't put anything in writing. Non-union staff got raises pulled, while business over the past two weeks has been up Y/Y.

The timeclocks are a tremendous source of clustering. I've been begging to go back to time sheets for three weeks. No dice. Hand sanitizer is scarce, masks are non-existent. Once I have a confirmed, its only a matter of time before 60% of my crews are sick.

I get that cases need to move and that morale is going to be down, but the lack of communication and the overall response is appalling.

And it's only going to get worse. I live in an area that hasn't been hit hard yet, but if the modelling is true, it is only a matter of time before I see spread.

I am quarantining my self (imperfectly, but better than nothing) from my wife and kids. I'd quit tomorrow if I had health insurance coverage...and then I think about how much worse it must be at a bigger DC. I think about my last job where the entire office has been working from home for three weeks. And I think that I have to continue trying to do the little that I can for the people I manage. Breaking up clusters, reminding folks to wash their hands, defending the production drop against the analysts that are going to start pushing for layoffs as early as next Wednesday.

It was a heck of a lot easier in 3PL management.

I hope no one that works for me dies.