*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (18 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

So as a retail property manager I’m being hit hard by tenants all around. Here is my rule of thumb, come up with by myself alone: 

1. If the tenant is forced to shut down, no rent for April- we’ll see what happens in May. 

2. If the tenant is open (in my case, food use or car services), half rent for April. 

3. I have one tenant that is a franchise for a major fast food drive thru and he asked me for free rent and I refused. From what I can see his business is better than ever, the drive thru line is packed. He protested that he was losing sales and so I asked to see his books. I haven’t heard back. I would also be very reluctant to give free or half rent to mini-markets or liquor stores- liquor sales are up 55%. 

I have discussed this with other landlords and some think I am being too generous. They’re forcing even the closed tenants to pay half rent and some are even deferring it with the understanding that they’ll have to pay it back in a few months. I don’t get this line of thinking: pay it back with what? So while they’re trying to get their customer base back they’ll have to pay extra rent as well! That seems like bad business to me. But the truth is a lot of landlords have steep mortgages to pay and are very extended and simply can’t afford to be without rents- luckily I’m not in that situation. But that is why I think Trump should meet with the nation’s banks and get them to declare a 60 day moratorium on all mortgages- IMO that would have a far greater impact than the aid package Congress passed. 

You do realize that most of these businesses can get free money to pay wages rent and utilities for two months?

 

[timschochet]

The longer this takes, the more that Americans (and likely others worldwide) are going to become accustomed to, and to some degree accepting of, elevated mortality rates due to COVID-19 and assume the inherent risks of re-opening society. I'm sorry, but that's just the reality of the situation.

This might be true if it were just the mortality rates. But the other big problem is the potential overflow at the hospitals. 

 

[CurlyNight]

Isn't the most likely explanation they want donations to keep rolling in. 

I think so. Jimmy Swaggart had a Biblethon yesterday. People calling in to buy bibles for worldwide distribution. There are no flights going in and out internationally. They squeeze people out of their hard earned money, most who seem to be seniors. Not saying all religious orgs are like his but it does give organised religion a bad name.

 

[dickey moe]

This might be true if it were just the mortality rates. But the other big problem is the potential overflow at the hospitals. 

Yes, that is the key variable. But if it can remain manageable by the medical community, then low-risk people are going to have be allowed to return to work soon. It's going to need to be within weeks, not months.

 

[dickey moe]

Great timing. 

My dish washer broke. How safe is it to let a technician into the house?

The equation involved is highly dependent on whether you are married and/or have kids.

 

[need2know]

That's a pretty clueless statement

My child's teacher went to florida last week and is at the beach.  She sent us pics.  What's she doing down there?

 

[timschochet]

You do realize that most of these businesses can get free money to pay wages rent and utilities for two months?

My understanding is that it will take them 60 days or more to get these funds, that most banks don’t know how to do it yet. And also they have to pay that money back- again, how are they supposed to do that if they’re trying to build  up their customer base? It does me no good to collect rents for April only to see some of these businesses fold up later on. They’re not earning anything at the moment and they need to pay their employees as well- and themselves. 

Still, you may have a point depending on how well the program turns out. That’s why I made my decisions only for April. I can always change my mind in May. Who knows how long this may last? 

 

[MTskibum]

To be fair, you refused to stay home.  And I know you didn't get out of your car, you pushed the envelope to the extent you felt comfortable.  Above you've got a poster decrying the amount of cars on the road, of which you were one.  

Each of us has a different level of comfortability.  Yours lies somewhere between the above poster and the person getting takeout food only (drive through).  I wouldn't rush to judgment on everyone though...

I am rushing to judgement on people. There is no risk of me catching it or spreading it driving around in my car. There is a risk being in a packed home depot, grocery store, or getting drive through. There is no comparison between the two scenarios.

 

[timschochet]

Yes, that is the key variable. But if it can remain manageable by the medical community, then low-risk people are going to have be allowed to return to work soon. It's going to need to be within weeks, not months.

I think a few months. I basically agree with you but I think we can survive until June or July at the latest. 

But even if we return to some form of normalcy this summer, Fauci is now warning that the virus could come back stronger in the fall. 

 

[BassNBrew]

My understanding is that it will take them 60 days or more to get these funds, that most banks don’t know how to do it yet. And also they have to pay that money back- again, how are they supposed to do that if they’re trying to build  up their customer base? It does me no good to collect rents for April only to see some of these businesses fold up later on. They’re not earning anything at the moment and they need to pay their employees as well- and themselves. 

Still, you may have a point depending on how well the program turns out. That’s why I made my decisions only for April. I can always change my mind in May. Who knows how long this may last? 

They don’t have to pay the money back. 

Mare you making blanket decisions for all your landlords. I’m discussing options with each one individually but we’re in the residential market and mortgages have been delayed there. 

 

[Doug B]

I swear I'd like to see the local news do an expose on TP and paper towels at local groceries and big-box stores. They never, ever have either anymore (except maybe for a very few lonely rolls of store-brand paper towels). No matter when you go. I mean, I'd like to follow paper-product shipments from the truck, to the back of the store intake dock, to the back-area warehouse, to the stocking of the shelves, to the purchasing by customers.

While waiting for Wal Mart to open this morning, heard one of the employees mention that TP delivery is each day right before noon.  Not sure if true, and not sure if universal.  But figured I would pass it along.

I asked around at local stores, and got some info about deliveries through the grapevine from relatives ... doesn't seem to make a difference. The big-box and chain groceries are out of stock even if you're there 10 minutes after the truck (supposedly) left.

Thank goodness for the local Dollar General ... deliveries of paper Friday morning, and the stock lasts until at least Saturday night.

 

[timschochet]

They don’t have to pay the money back. 

Mare you making blanket decisions for all your landlords. I’m discussing options with each one individually but we’re in the residential market and mortgages have been delayed there. 

Of course I don’t make any decisions without consulting with my landlords. 

 

[Cjw_55106]

A joke with no laughing emoticon appears not to be a joke especially in such a serious somber thread.

Sorry, not everyone needs jokes pointed out to them. 

 

[wilked]

I am rushing to judgement on people. There is no risk of me catching it or spreading it driving around in my car. There is a risk being in a packed home depot, grocery store, or getting drive through. There is no comparison between the two scenarios.

In that case, good luck with the judging...  It'll be a long few months for you I expect

 

[ConstruxBoy]

That’s not to the landlords benefit, because it delays rent increases. I wouldn’t do it 

Yeah, guess it depends on the setup and length of the lease. But most of the time you would probably be right. 

 

[lod001]

Israeli scientists: Coronavirus vaccine to be tested on humans by June 1 - The Jerusalem Post.

 

[Weebs210]

The equation involved is highly dependent on whether you are married and/or have kids.

My brother and my fiance live here. We are all working from home. We rent a two story house.

 

[soothsayer]

Great timing. 

My dish washer broke. How safe is it to let a technician into the house?

I think this is ok, yes. Just keep a good 6' distance away from the technician, wipe everything down thoroughly after they are done, and wash your hands/stuff as needed. This would create absolutely minimal risk, wouldn't it?

 

[RnR]

I think so. Jimmy Swaggart had a Biblethon yesterday. People calling in to buy bibles for worldwide distribution. There are no flights going in and out internationally. They squeeze people out of their hard earned money, most who seem to be seniors. Not saying all religious orgs are like his but it does give organised religion a bad name.

No, it doesn't. Please stop trying to create that narrative. It's not based in reality. It's based in headlines. I'd say 98% of faith-based entities do far more good for their communities than harm. 

 

[nirad3]

I think so. Jimmy Swaggart had a Biblethon yesterday. People calling in to buy bibles for worldwide distribution. There are no flights going in and out internationally. They squeeze people out of their hard earned money, most who seem to be seniors. Not saying all religious orgs are like his but it does give organised religion a bad name.

https://giphy.com/gifs/7SDs1LY3YWhji

 

[jamny]

Detroit bus driver outraged over coughing younger passenger dies 4 days later. Sad video Jason Hargrove posted on fb and shown on cnn.

Man, that's a sad one. RIP

 

[FBG26]

Great timing. 

My dish washer broke. How safe is it to let a technician into the house?

I think this is ok, yes. Just keep a good 6' distance away from the technician, wipe everything down thoroughly after they are done, and wash your hands/stuff as needed. This would create absolutely minimal risk, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I think I'd be a little apprehensive about letting somebody in the house, but I also think this is the approach I'd take if it was something I couldn't do. 

Alternatively, eat off paper plates occasionally to cut down on the number of dishes you have to do by hand. 

 

[CurlyNight]

My cancer center just sent us a form to fill out asking how many cloth masks we need no charge. How awesome is that. I love my small local hospital and their staff.

 

[pollardsvision]

Great timing. 

My dish washer broke. How safe is it to let a technician into the house?

Tough call. We had to call a plumber on Monday. Toilet had been running slow for a week or so, I tried everything I could do, and then a complete blockage. We only have one bathroom so, especially on a lockdown, there really wasn't any choice. I sanitized everything they touched as best I could as soon as they left.

For a dishwasher, that could go either way and depends on your risk tolerance. I could see it, but definitely a risk.

 

[dawgtrails]

My child's teacher went to florida last week and is at the beach.  She sent us pics.  What's she doing down there?

The fancy thing about remote teaching is you can actually do it from anywhere. It's quite amazing. 

 

[dawgtrails]

There are thousands of youtube videos on dishwasher repair. It is only like 3 or 4 things that can wrong in those things. 

 

[Capella]

To be fair, you refused to stay home.  And I know you didn't get out of your car, you pushed the envelope to the extent you felt comfortable.  Above you've got a poster decrying the amount of cars on the road, of which you were one.  

Each of us has a different level of comfortability.  Yours lies somewhere between the above poster and the person getting takeout food only (drive through).  I wouldn't rush to judgment on everyone though...

Completely different scenario from sitting in your car with no human contact and going into a Home Depot or a grocery store and encountering people. What are you even talking about. 

 

[Weebs210]

Update: I did some googling and did a hard reset by pressing two buttons alternatively 5 times each. My original problem was it would not start at all. I tried turning off the main power source to restart it. Using the hard restart I got it to run. It sounds slightly different but it could be just because I never actually listen to it closely lol. Crossing my fingers the dishes are clean and it finishes the cycle.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So you take a couple of bad-acting pastors and extrapolate that to being the viewpoint of an entire region of the country?

I think that painting with broad strokes or thinking that I makes up a large percent of cases is a mistake. But there’s also no question that certain groups have insisted on making some poor decisions that have inevitably not worked out well.

In North Jersey there are several orthodox Jewish communities that have ignored social distancing and have had a lot of cases and deaths. In South Korea there largest area of outbreak was from someone attending a mega church service. A mega church in France continued to meet and they have had hundreds of people get it and like 22 deaths. 

I get part of their thinking. They believe that God has called them to be a community and to worship him together. They see where Jesus said where two or more are gathered in his name, he will be there too. They put those things above everything else because they believe that God comes first.

I happen to think that they’re mistaken though in that I think that there are plenty of other things in Scripture that support following the government’s guidance and loving people and the community by not meeting in person right now. I say that as a deeply spiritual person who was part of leadership at my church having this discussion and stopping in-person meeting as soon as it became clear that that’s what was needed.

With all that being said, I don’t want to presume to know the mind of God. If God is absolutely telling them to continue to meet for some reason, then they should. But I think in the face of what we’re up against, it would have to be abundantly clear that it was something God was telling them and it should be confirmed by multiple people, not just the pastor/rabbi saying God told him. Further, it would then need to be abundantly confirmed outside the church in some way that God was working in that situation in some way. There’d better be something apparent that points people towards God.

Ok, stepping down off my soapbox.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Update: I did some googling and did a hard reset by pressing two buttons alternatively 5 times each. My original problem was it would not start at all. I tried turning off the main power source to restart it. Using the hard restart I got it to run. It sounds slightly different but it could be just because I never actually listen to it closely lol. Crossing my fingers the dishes are clean and it finishes the cycle.

Look at that, Coronavirus quarantining may have just saved you the cost of a service call!

 

[wilked]

Completely different scenario from sitting in your car with no human contact and going into a Home Depot or a grocery store and encountering people. What are you even talking about. 

I was comparing going for a drive with also getting takeout on that drive, not the Depot

 

[otb_lifer]

There are thousands of youtube videos on dishwasher repair. It is only like 3 or 4 things that can wrong in those things. 

... i just buy mine a new pair of shoes or boots 

 

[RnR]

I think that painting with broad strokes or thinking that I makes up a large percent of cases is a mistake. But there’s also no question that certain groups have insisted on making some poor decisions that have inevitably not worked out well.

In North Jersey there are several orthodox Jewish communities that have ignored social distancing and have had a lot of cases and deaths. In South Korea there largest area of outbreak was from someone attending a mega church service. A mega church in France continued to meet and they have had hundreds of people get it and like 22 deaths. 

I get part of their thinking. They believe that God has called them to be a community and to worship him together. They see where Jesus said where two or more are gathered in his name, he will be there too. They put those things above everything else because they believe that God comes first.

I happen to think that they’re mistaken though in that I think that there are plenty of other things in Scripture that support following the government’s guidance and loving people and the community by not meeting in person right now. I say that as a deeply spiritual person who was part of leadership at my church having this discussion and stopping in-person meeting as soon as it became clear that that’s what was needed.

With all that being said, I don’t want to presume to know the mind of God. If God is absolutely telling them to continue to meet for some reason, then they should. But I think in the face of what we’re up against, it would have to be abundantly clear that it was something God was telling them and it should be confirmed by multiple people, not just the pastor/rabbi saying God told him. Further, it would then need to be abundantly confirmed outside the church in some way that God was working in that situation in some way. There’d better be something apparent that points people towards God.

Ok, stepping down off my soapbox.

I think we're in agreement on this. I can only speak for the communities with which I'm familiar, but I have firsthand seen the overwhelming majority of faith-based organizations take really responsible steps to combat the virus and still serve their congregations as they're called to do. Watching some of these small churches go virtual has been pretty neat. Their weekly services, studies, etc. are showing up on social feeds all over the place. It's a great way to reach new people. It's also a great way to send a clear message on the responsibility we all have in social distancing.

I just can't reconcile what some of the people in this thread are saying with what I'm seeing being applied in real life. Sure, there are outliers. And those people end up being the headline. But for someone like @CurlyNight to paint them as the poster child for religious organizations during a pandemic is woefully inaccurate.

 

[dickey moe]

The fancy thing about remote teaching is you can actually do it from anywhere. It's quite amazing. 

It's not happening in my neck of the woods.

 

[HellToupee]

My child's teacher went to florida last week and is at the beach.  She sent us pics.  What's she doing down there?

Never mind what’s going on down here , what’s the deal with this? She sent you pics from the beach?

 

[Herb]

Let's not devolve into barbarism

You must not have young kids. My household has already sunk into Conan/Thundarr levels of chaos and mayhem. 

 

[Keerock]

Tough call. We had to call a plumber on Monday. Toilet had been running slow for a week or so, I tried everything I could do, and then a complete blockage. We only have one bathroom so, especially on a lockdown, there really wasn't any choice. I sanitized everything they touched as best I could as soon as they left.

What was the "issue"?

 

[BassNBrew]

Of course I don’t make any decisions without consulting with my landlords. 

Ok. Your post read as if you came up with a policy you were implementing on your own

Best wishes to you as the rental market will be rocked and we get paid base on collections not work done. Going to be some rocky times

 

[timschochet]

Ok. Your post read as if you came up with a policy you were implementing on your own

Best wishes to you as the rental market will be rocked and we get paid base on collections not work done. Going to be some rocky times

Thanks. 

Some properties are family owned and I have decision making power...in consultation. 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Ten weeks to crush the curve.

It's too late for us to be wrapping Week 6 of the ten weeks, and that will have incredible costs, but making next week Week 1 would still have value.

 

[rockaction]

A joke with no laughing emoticon appears not to be a joke especially in such a serious somber thread.

Stop board copping. You're in all the death threads. Just leave whatever motivates you to do that out of other peoples' businesses.

 

[steeler6]

Great timing. 

My dish washer broke. How safe is it to let a technician into the house?

Isn't everybody washing their hands 50 times a day. Just slap a plate in between them when you do. Problem solved. 

 

[BassNBrew]

Ten weeks to crush the curve.

It's too late for us to be wrapping Week 6 of the ten weeks, and that will have incredible costs, but making next week Week 1 would still have value.

It would be simpler to give everyone a 100 acres and build them a solar powered house with a one year food supply then accomplish what the article is suggesting.  Short of shredding the Constitution, most of that isn't happening.

 

[rockaction]

Forced tested on Palestinian guinea pigs!

-the usual suspects. 

Well, America did that with pox in the early 20th Century. We tested Irish and other immigrant populations forcibly with vaccinations. 

 

[BassNBrew]

Forced tested on Palestinian guinea pigs!

-the usual suspects. 

I was wondering if the Arab countries would consider a vaccine originating in Israel to be unholy and from Satan.  Wouldn't it be amazing if Israel saved some of the Arab countries from huge death tolls and everyone became friends forever.

 

[rockaction]

It would be simpler to give everyone a 100 acres and build them a solar powered house with a one year food supply then accomplish what the article is suggesting.  Short of shredding the Constitution, most of that isn't happening.

The question is how much death does the Constitution require before it becomes a meaningless document for political purposes. I can't tell you that, nor can I postulate, but the first act of almost all government in political theory is to ensure the safety of its citizens from domestic and foreign threats, which really means death.

At what point does the Constitution presuppose or allow for this is the question? How will the Amendment procedure hold up if called upon? All of it. 

 

[BassNBrew]

The question is how much death does the Constitution require before it becomes a meaningless document for political purposes. I can't tell you that, nor can I postulate, but the first act of almost all government in political theory is to ensure the safety of its citizens from domestic and foreign threats, which really means death.

At what point does the Constitution presuppose or allow for this is the question? How will the Amendment procedure hold up if called upon? All of it. 

None of that is going down unless Americans are willing kill other Americans.  I assume you saw the Chinese videos of police beating down people and hauling people off in basically dog kennels in the back of pick up trucks.  Many people here aren't leaving their families without a fight and I don't suspect the local law is up for that fight and actually would probably rather just stay away from infected people in the first place. 

 

[rockaction]

None of that is going down unless Americans are willing kill other Americans.  I assume you saw the Chinese videos of police beating down people and hauling people off in basically dog kennels in the back of pick up trucks.  Many people here aren't leaving their families without a fight and I don't suspect the local law is up for that fight and actually would probably rather just stay away from infected people in the first place. 

You know, I didn't read the proposals -- I just assumed they were centered around travel. That's my bad. I usually click the links.

I don't think separating families is even an option. There'd be a coup first. The Oath Keepers would certainly come into play. We'd really see how armed the citizenry was then.

 

[gianmarco]

Di Blasio actually wants a national draft to enlist doctors and nurses to come to NYC to help with the crisis

Is he nuts?

 

[AAABatteries]

I have been to the store twice in the last 3 weeks, both times to an out of the way grocery store in a partially built subdivision and it has been absolutely empty.

To help my wife's sanity today, i took our 3 and 5 year old for a drive during my lunch break for an hour. We did not get out of the car, I just wanted to drive around. It is upsetting how difficult it is for us to do our part and then see home depot, Lowes, and various grocery stores overflowing with cars and people, not to mention the long lines at many fast food places. I am unsure what percent of the population does not care, but it seems to be a decent percent.

People are refusing to stay at home.

This is the opposite of my experience - north Atlanta suburbs.  Based on that map submitted earlier my area is really abiding by the rules and that is my experience.  I'm very hopeful that keeps local hospitals from not being under water.