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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (14 Viewers)

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Has anyone heard on the testing requirements that make a state qualify for the "adequate testing" threshold?  I haven't seen a single detail on this.  I am also wondering which part of CARES is going to be paying for this testing or is the expectation that each state will have to figure out funding on their own too? 

 
My speculation is that a lot of the country could open today if testing was readily available.  I would also prefer contract tracing, but easy testing would be a great start.

My opinion is based on the concept, I think we have stated before, that density of population combined with some degree of closed quarters recirculated air, will be the contributing factors to high spread and infection rates.  When you get to wide open places, with little population density, I think it would work.

Now, take a pork plant, even in SD, and allow people to work without proper PPE or testing?  Not, going, to, matter.

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It seems far fetched because it would also seem to imply that 50-80 fold are also asymptomatic or nearly so. We haven't seen that in groups that we *know* have high likelihood of being exposed like NYC EMS/FDNY where about 1/4 of them are out sick. 
Did they only collect from people that were completely asymptomatic? I know there have been numerous news articles where you read about someone having all of the symptoms, but because their blood oxygen is 95% and the threshold for testing is 94% they never get tested. I just wonder if that could skew it if they get a lot of volunteers who feel that they had it but were never tested and used this as an opportunity to get tested. Like you mentioned, 50x asymptomatic does not fit what we have seen so far but it would be great if true.

 
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Just saw the mayor of Jacksonville on TV. The beaches will open for like 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the late afternoon. ( 5-8pm, I think he said) No congregating, no chairs, coolers or towels. Walking, swimming, walking the dog, general exercise only. 

 
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Similar sampling has to take place nationwide, true. The "antibody rate" in a California county may not be comparable to rates all over.
It could be great news.  Further testing is needed.  The guys doing the study do state that it's possible that asking for volunteers is why they had such a high antibody rate.  Basically anyone who is sick or has been sick is likely going to come get tested, as opposed to just the general population.

 
Just saw the mayor of Jacksonville on TV. The beaches will open for like 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the late afternoon. No congregating, no chairs, coolers or towels. Walking, swimming, walking the dog, general exercise only. 
This is what it's been like for weeks on the space coast beaches (central Florida).  I think maybe a week or two ago, they finally closed them?  My days are running together.

 
I honestly dont have the time to identify the 432982 posts in this thread stating exactly this.
How about 1?  Almost everyone in here advocating starting to open some things up have discussed a slow, thought out approach.  Has someone recently said lets up most everything back up?

 
From my friends who work in health care there, testing is still a major issue. So I don’t know if we can read too much into the new case results at this point.
Not surprising as issue everywhere.  Any indication if hospitals are getting an influx of cases?  Haven't seen much news about that.  

 
Similar sampling has to take place nationwide, true. The "antibody rate" in a California county may not be comparable to rates all over.
It could be great news.  Further testing is needed.  The guys doing the study do state that it's possible that asking for volunteers is why they had such a high antibody rate.  Basically anyone who is sick or has been sick is likely going to come get tested, as opposed to just the general population.
The bolded is right on. And the issue of motivated volunteerism is a good point.

Maybe not this particular study, but I'm hoping there is a way to get at least a preliminary "background radiation" figure for COVID antibodies in the near future. Say within 6 months?

 
I honestly dont have the time to identify the 432982 posts in this thread stating exactly this.
How about 1?  Almost everyone in here advocating starting to open some things up have discussed a slow, thought out approach.  Has someone recently said lets up most everything back up?
I clicked back a few times and chose a random page.  Here is all I had the energy for: link

I honestly dont have the energy to debate this aspect of it

 
Great time for my mother-in-law to have to go to the hospital here in NY. A re-occurrence of blood clots in her lungs, and now in her legs. She had a procedure for it about 3 years ago that they said can only be done once. She also has a replacement valve in her heart which is about at its lifespan and is very overweight. She had been having breathing issues but her appointments cancelled when this broke out. 

 
Great time for my mother-in-law to have to go to the hospital here in NY. A re-occurrence of blood clots in her lungs, and now in her legs. She had a procedure for it about 3 years ago that they said can only be done once. She also has a replacement valve in her heart which is about at its lifespan and is very overweight. She had been having breathing issues but her appointments cancelled when this broke out. 
Sorry to hear Jam... all the T&Ps

I know it's not exactly the same, but my 80 y/o Step-Mom had a triple bypass a couple weeks ago in Florida.  She's home recovering well now.  So things can work out even during this crisis.

 
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Not surprising as issue everywhere.  Any indication if hospitals are getting an influx of cases?  Haven't seen much news about that.  
I don’t think so but Avera Health Systems just furloughed a bunch of employees. Seems like it’s going to get messy soon. My mom works for one of their community clinics near Sioux Falls in the lab. She started back to work Wednesday after being off for a month with a bronchitis. She hasn’t gotten back to me on how it is there. The good news is they do seem to have good PPE and protocols in place. 

 
Sure, but I don't think shooting people on their way to church is the best response.  (Mods: Sorry if my anti-murdering-our-own-citizens position is too political.  I can take it to the PSF).
Of course I was exaggerating to make a point, but it's a valid point.  I present you with the following scenario...

You are around 50, and live with your wife, 20 yr old son, and your parents (in their late 70's).  You live in a house with unlimited supplies and everyone is COVID free.  Your bored son wants to attend a "COVID party" with 100 other youngsters who are going stir crazy at home.  You live in an area that has a big outbreak at the moment.  He asks your permission and you tell him to stay home.  He says, "I am an adult, I can do what I want", and attends the party.  Do you let him back in the house after the party?

 
Of course I was exaggerating to make a point, but it's a valid point.  I present you with the following scenario...

You are around 50, and live with your wife, 20 yr old son, and your parents (in their late 70's).  You live in a house with unlimited supplies and everyone is COVID free.  Your bored son wants to attend a "COVID party" with 100 other youngsters who are going stir crazy at home.  You live in an area that has a big outbreak at the moment.  He asks your permission and you tell him to stay home.  He says, "I am an adult, I can do what I want", and attends the party.  Do you let him back in the house after the party?
That's what people do? Have a Covid party with 100 people? Not sure how to answer that, but that's flabbergasting. 

 
Looking forward to phase 1 and the start to getting the economy opened up again.  Very encouraging numbers lately here in the United States leads me to believe all 50 states will at least be in phase 1 in May.
14 days from today is May 1st.

You think all 50 states, from today on, will experience 14 days of downward trends?

 
Is the exhalation filtered through the valve? Or no?
Not that I know of. Every one I’ve used previously just has a small piece of rubber with basically a small “pin” holding it in the middle. When you exhale, the rubber piece releases its seal around the edges and lets the air out. There is no filtered covering before the valve (which makes sense because otherwise there would be no purpose in even having a valve since you’d be breathing out through the same exact material you are breathing in from.

 
Of course I was exaggerating to make a point, but it's a valid point.  I present you with the following scenario...

You are around 50, and live with your wife, 20 yr old son, and your parents (in their late 70's).  You live in a house with unlimited supplies and everyone is COVID free.  Your bored son wants to attend a "COVID party" with 100 other youngsters who are going stir crazy at home.  You live in an area that has a big outbreak at the moment.  He asks your permission and you tell him to stay home.  He says, "I am an adult, I can do what I want", and attends the party.  Do you let him back in the house after the party?
He would know to have a bag packed and a place to stay for the duration. 

 
Still getting this when I try the IRS site

Payment Status Not Available

According to information that we have on file, we cannot determine your eligibility for a payment at this time.

 
Sorry that I haven't read the full thread, but has anyone seen any recent data on how people are catching the virus since the lockdown has been in place?  Such as X% are healthcare workers; first responders, % got it from work?  I've seen anecdotes, but not a lot of science.   

In theory, the epidemiology models should be getting better based on wider (but not pervasive) testing.  I would imagine that part of the flattening of the curve in most geographies has to do with the number of already infected in addition to social distancing efforts.   I just haven't encountered much news on this, outside of simply tracking numbers and growth charts. 

 
Is this something you have or know about?
I know about anecdotally. I listen to a podcast one of the owners of the company does. All I know about it is from what he has said but I'm willing to bet it's 100% quality. There is a pocket inside the mask so you can insert filtration as well. It's all made onsite in Maine.

That's about all I know.

 
Sorry that I haven't read the full thread, but has anyone seen any recent data on how people are catching the virus since the lockdown has been in place?  Such as X% are healthcare workers; first responders, % got it from work?  I've seen anecdotes, but not a lot of science.   

In theory, the epidemiology models should be getting better based on wider (but not pervasive) testing.  I would imagine that part of the flattening of the curve in most geographies has to do with the number of already infected in addition to social distancing efforts.   I just haven't encountered much news on this, outside of simply tracking numbers and growth charts. 
The only thing relevant to your ask I've seen is at some point this week, probably in this thread, it had the number of infections in OH and something like 61% were healthcare workers. 

 
I know about anecdotally. I listen to a podcast one of the owners of the company does. All I know about it is from what he has said but I'm willing to bet it's 100% quality. There is a pocket inside the mask so you can insert filtration as well. It's all made onsite in Maine.

That's about all I know.
Re: the red -- no such pocket on the mask you linked, but they made another type of mask (temporarily our of stock) with a pocket.

I like the look of the one you linked, though. And that would easily serve for running-errands purposes where people are responsibly maintaining six feet.

 
That was launched organically? Who/what is behind that?
Not trying to be morbid or wishing it on anyone but I'd be curious to see if there was any infections that came out of these demonstrations that have been taking place across the country.

 
Still getting this when I try the IRS site

Payment Status Not Available

According to information that we have on file, we cannot determine your eligibility for a payment at this time.
Same. My federal tax return was deposited today, so I’m going to give it some more time before I worry. Seems to be happening to a lot of people. 

 
Same. My federal tax return was deposited today, so I’m going to give it some more time before I worry. Seems to be happening to a lot of people. 
I don't think they have direct deposit info for me (I owed money the past few years), so I just want to be able to enter my info so I don't have to wait until May or whatever for a check

 
I don't think they have direct deposit info for me (I owed money the past few years), so I just want to be able to enter my info so I don't have to wait until May or whatever for a check
Hmmm not sure how to go about doing that. Is there a section on the IRS site to enter your information?

 
Sure, but I don't think shooting people on their way to church is the best response.  (Mods: Sorry if my anti-murdering-our-own-citizens position is too political.  I can take it to the PSF).
Of course I was exaggerating to make a point, but it's a valid point.  I present you with the following scenario...

You are around 50, and live with your wife, 20 yr old son, and your parents (in their late 70's).  You live in a house with unlimited supplies and everyone is COVID free.  Your bored son wants to attend a "COVID party" with 100 other youngsters who are going stir crazy at home.  You live in an area that has a big outbreak at the moment.  He asks your permission and you tell him to stay home.  He says, "I am an adult, I can do what I want", and attends the party.  Do you let him back in the house after the party?
In your hypothetical scenario, no, I wouldn't let him back in the house, but I would also refrain from shooting him.

 
Important discovery: I go to make a tuna fish sandwich...out of mayo. But there sits a container of hummus. :o

Makes a much better mixer!! Very delicious.

This is an amazing sandwich discovery.

Like when they discovered penicillin.
This is incredible news, because we somehow ended up buying a total of 74 ounces of hummus a couple of weeks ago, and about 60 ounces are still in the fridge.  We also bought a few cans of tuna fish, which we haven't used yet.  This changes everything.

 
Somewhere in the region, they tested people at a homeless shelter. Approximately 50% of the people tested positive but were all symptomatic. Someone in the medical profession can tell me what that may or may not mean. Could that mean that half of people have already had the virus? Does that mean more people have it and are contagious than previously thought? Is that a good outcome or bad outcome?
I am not a medical professional, but my bet is that the homeless population is one of the most at risk and likely to be infected for a lot of reasons. Lack of access to PPE, inability to maintain good hygiene, lack of social distancing ability in shelters, and I’ve seen quite a few in Philly who are still panhandling at people’s car windows, etc. 

 
I think there is supposed to be, once they determine what you are getting, can't get to that point until they make that determination apparently.
This is where I'm at as well.

Please post here if anyone who gets that error message subsequently gets past it in the following days. What a cluster.

 
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I haven't shot down any legitimate treatment that has ever come out.  BTW, that was quite a curve-ball that has nothing to do with the rest of your post.

My issue with opening things up RIGHT NOW, is that there are more cases than there were a month ago.  When the active cases are really low and we can test and contact trace, then open it back up.  But currently, none of those things are true.  
You shot down gilead's drug before you knew anything about what was going on because it was during the sneaky super secret after hours period that word came out. You have no idea if it is legitimate yet or not. 

And having more confirmed cases isnt exactly accurate comparative info right now considering where testing was a month ago. Hospitalizations and ICU cases would be far more accurate. There are places in WI that dont even have a single hospitalization. Plenty more places have had hospitalizations decline. 

So why should a universal standard be applied? 

 
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