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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (9 Viewers)
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belljr
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Andy Dufresne
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Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
And now Walgreens just jumped on board as well, joining CVS...
https://www.wagmtv.com/2020/07/16/target-cvs-join-list-of-stores-mandating-masks/
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I'd be surprised if there isn't one with the ink already dry and ready to be filed.
Why wait 5 days? Can't they provide masks to customers who don't have them, at least for a week or so?
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
There have already been some filed in Louisiana after the mandate went out last week. smh
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Our state doctor guy (forgot his title lol) said just now in a press conference, and that Dr. Birx concurred, that they are recommending that businesses do NOT require negative tests as a barrier to coming back to work, due to it putting a further strain on testing availability, and that retesting until negative was only recommended for nursing home patients. This was a reply to a reporter's question so he didn't mention what they did recommend (or if he did I couldn't hear it), but I'd assume the 14-day quarantine and no symptoms.
JetMaxx
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Grahamburn
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I had posted previously we were requiring two negative tests, per CDC guidelines. I currently have an employee out who continues to test positive (6 times) that has shown no symptoms since the 4th of July. We're allowing her to return Monday.
The "symptom based approach" requires symptom free without the use of medication for at least 3 days before discontinuing isolation, AND being at least ten days out from the onset of symptoms. We're adopting this now versus requiring the two negative tests.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Yeah, makes more sense now that there's more data out vs when they put out those guidelines.
beer 30
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I expect them from both “sides” - I could easily see someone suing Governor Kemp over his EO. I have no clue if that’s possible but I’m sure someone will try it.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Probably to give them some time to get the staff and customers trained and notified. Enforcing this stuff is tricky. Being confrontational with customers goes against everything a business does.
Virginia has had a mask order for a long time (at least 6 weeks). All stores have had signs up since.
Sam's even recently started putting one guy at the door with masks to give them out to anyone that didn't have one. Still, from what I can tell about 1 in 10 just walk right past him with no mask.
Signs and rules fantastic and surely help. But taking the next step to denying entry is a hard one for a business to pull off. Even if the business has decided to deny entry, that still leaves the task of actually doing to an employee who may not be well trained or making enough money to risk getting into a fight over this issue. Not to mention it's expensive.
It's tricky. And I'd be fairly shocked to ever see Lowe's and Home Depot do it. That literally could lead to someone getting shot.
Governments have to be committed enough to actually take action against businesses. And there, of course, there's political risk.
The Commish
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Now THAT takes some balls
Though, this should be in the PSF
Georgia governor over riding cities/counties prohibiting mask requirements. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/507600-georgia-governor-overrides-all-local-mask-orders-in-the-state
How is this not comparable to the rally cry of "state's rights!!"?
How is this not comparable to the rally cry of "state's rights!!"?
The Commish
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Not sure what you're specifically referring to, but he did say that during May/Early June, no one was asking him about the virus because we were doing such a good job, which was false.
rail
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This afternoon, Colorado governor issued state-wide mask mandate for all public indoor spaces (includes stores, places of employment, "services", whether publicly or privately owned). Any individual that enters a public indoor space without a mask (exceptions for those with medical issues) can be subject to criminal/civil penalties. Owners, managers, or operators of public indoor spaces may not provide services to someone without a mask, nor allow them inside. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.9news.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/colorado-coronavirus-governor-update-july-16/73-eae785bc-e707-43e1-a12f-e36486fe6814
ETA - totally applaud this. Love this quote: "You know, wearing a mask is not a political statement,” Polis pointed out. “I don't know how in anybody's mind it became a game of political football. It's simple. It's common sense and it's data. The virus doesn't care what political party you are in. The virus doesn't care what belief system you have. The virus doesn't care what your ideology is. The virus is the virus and it is a threat to every single one of us.”
ETA - totally applaud this. Love this quote: "You know, wearing a mask is not a political statement,” Polis pointed out. “I don't know how in anybody's mind it became a game of political football. It's simple. It's common sense and it's data. The virus doesn't care what political party you are in. The virus doesn't care what belief system you have. The virus doesn't care what your ideology is. The virus is the virus and it is a threat to every single one of us.”
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pollardsvision
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Florida with a record 156 deaths today, and the 7-day roller was spiking before today. Oh this sucks.
parasaurolophus
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Royal Society in england has recommended that all adults take 10 micrograms daily of vitamin D.
DallasDMac
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This may well have been mentioned, I got to far behind on the thread to try and catch up. But San Antonio starting to bring in refrigerated trailers to store the overflow of bodies for the morgues. Hopefully it is a precaution at this point. But it is still scary.
Flying Elvis
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This sucks so horribly. My aunt was one of the nursing home losses here in RI. Really, really wish the people of our nation would stop waiting until it directly effects them to take it seriously.
(Not that you weren't prior to your local event, or that I wasn't prior to my local event. I'm just exceptionally frustrated that there's still a "won't happen here" mentality that has now morphed into "mah rites brah" idiocy.)
Terminalxylem
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Definitely not rocket surgery, yet people still fixate on the death rate. The latter won’t be fully known until well after the pandemic has run its course.
We need to be proactive to minimize all the bad things you mention, but America doesn’t understand preventative medicine.
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DallasDMac
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When my daughter did her drive thru test (quick response type), the doctor that gave her the positive result told her "Positives are 100% accurate, but negatives are only 20% accurate." I know we have several medical field folks in here. Can that possibly be correct? I mean, 20% accurate for negative results?
Phoenix too. And of course the immediate response was that it happens every summer.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
For most people and most supplements, your statement is accurate. Vitamin D may help a little.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Zinc, Vitamin D. Makes sense.
Vitamin C? Thought I saw early that doctors in China were trying high levels (3000 mg?) in mild/moderate cases.
Supplement to at least to bring up deficient levels? Excess gets released through urine anyway.
culdeus
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early test versions had up to 20% "false negative" Meaning....up to 20% of positive people registered as negative. We were re-sampling anyone we had very high suspicion on a couple months ago.
The newer tests are a lot better, but still up to 5% false negative. It's commonly believed though that many of those are related to poor sampling technique
Terminalxylem
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Terminalxylem
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Nathan R. Jessep
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pretty informative for the 18 "hot spot" states for cases (Alabama Louisiana Arkansas Mississippi Arizona North Carolina California Nevada Florida Oklahoma Georgia South Carolina Idaho Tennessee Iowa Texas Kansas Utah) and 11 for test positivity rate (Alabama Mississippi Arizona Nevada Florida South Carolina Georgia Texas Idaho Washington Louisiana)
https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/exclusive-white-house-document-shows-18-states-in-coronavirus-red-zone-covid-19/
https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/exclusive-white-house-document-shows-18-states-in-coronavirus-red-zone-covid-19/
Anecdotally, after staying pretty steady for the last 8 weeks or so, my facility has seen a recent uptick in COVID patients in the hospital....but NOT in ICU COVID cases. Seem younger on average too...July 4th?
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DallasDMac
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Our hospitalization and ICU numbers are down, but ventilator use is up and we had a massive jump in single day deaths,
The Z Machine
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That's because there's no sun in England. It's also why so many people left England and the Netherlands for the new world. Way too much rain in that area of the world.
Almost exactly the same as Arizona. Last couple of days has been a decrease in acute and ICU COVID hospitalizations but an increase in ventilator use and ER. Deaths are hard to follow with how delayed the reporting is. And managed to have testing decrease as well. So while there are many positives, the unknowns make it tough to be too optimistic.
Can this review/conclusion possibly be correct? masks don’t work
I’m not endorsing that study, but I’m not qualified to determine if it’s accurate. I wear masks in public
I’m not endorsing that study, but I’m not qualified to determine if it’s accurate. I wear masks in public
there dosn't seem to be much in the way of supporting data there.
Why has it been working everywhere under the first large scale world wide testing ever conducted? (IE...this pandemic)
parasaurolophus
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His entire theory is based on the fact that he thinks one single virus particle that is aerosolized is enough to infect you.
That seems pretty much impossible based on some of the exposures we are aware of that didnt result in infection.
Osterholm specifically said in his most recent podcast that one particle wasn't enough.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Exactly. Trust the epidemiologists and virologists. Getting the physics right can come later.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
RI had it's lowest average age for positive cases this past week. Seems like the bar/nightclub age has been getting restless. Understandable... the younger version of me would make those same decisions. RI is at a point where test/trace/isolate should be able to handle it.
Copied from one of my posts yesterday. EDIT: Average age is a record low (38) in RI. - article link
Agreed. However, on the scale of stupid we have to face, this type of information only has to sway the stout mind of a local Karen that might, say, steal some letterhead to create a note from a Chiropractor to support her "breath condition" diagnosis.
tri-man 47
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Very informative!
Today's data per Covid worldometers isn't pleasant. Just shy of 250,000 new cases, a new high, with the US (of course) leading the way with a new daily peak of over 73,000. Florida, Texas, and Cali at the top, of course. Worldwide deaths over 5,700 with almost 1,000 again in the US, led by the same three states.
gianmarco
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
I dunno. Fun in CA. Other than social distance golf I’m the boy in a bubble. Not eating out. Working out at home including Peleton. Walking in neighborhood early morning and late night. March turns to April turns into August. Don’t know what day of the week it is. Tell me when it’s over
hagmania
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