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Rising doesnt mean the same thing everywhere, perception wise. If a place had 2 cases last week and had 3 this week, that makes a lot of charts. Doesnt make a dent in public perception though. Especially if the hospitalization rate is under 10% in that area.
I'm nowhere even close to the education and experience level in the stuff as others in the thread but I would guess so. Seems like it would just keep recirculating around the globe and popping up.
Light cold symptoms last Monday. Runny nose, very slight cough and sore throat. Felt slightly tired. Light symptoms persisted but did not get worse up through this Friday (so 9 days). Sore throat now gone. Nose still runny. No fever, aches, loss of taste/smell etc.
I was on a plane a week and a half ago so my wife wanted me to get a test. We both went and got tested last Saturday, 8 days ago. We got our antibody tests back on Friday (6 days) and we were both negative. Still waiting for the Covid results.
While a good point, it still doesn’t excuse the thought process. Just because the caskets aren’t piling up in their backyard means it’s not happening? It’s still horrible logic.
Understood, which is why I'm asking the questions I am. I haven't seen a state with raw numbers of say 5-10 increase thrown in with states like mine (Florida) in terms of severity. All the reports are around % increase.....I probably should have qualified that. 40+ states have 5%+ steady increases over the last two weeks.
The value of COVID test results for public health purposes reduces over time. Just heard Scott Gottlieb, former head of the FDA say the threshold for utility is 48 hours. Are these long delays acceptable in the richest country? Gottlieb said the big surges in testing southern states are causing delays, as the commercial labs can't keep up with the demand.
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Yeah - I’m not sure it’s going to matter what the results of my test is - I doubt I do anything other than maybe call and consult my GP. I’ll isolate myself for even longer if positive but I’m essentially a hermit already save my family.
If the tests come back positive, would you contact some people who came into close contact with you?
I will answer this for my own case.
My answer is similar to roboto’s - I’ve already told the only people I’ve had contact with. What will be interesting is I will make my kids tell their employers and not sure what they will do.
Just posted this same link in the Covid and Schools thread - I hadn't caught up on this thread, so apologies for not attributing you as the first to post it here.
Two things:DallasDMac said:
That’s one thing that becomes tricky - how far back to you go to warn people? I’m a hermit already so easy for me but for those having to work outside the home or having to interact with people it seems impossible.
I get your point, however a "thank goodness" is still in order. If the dynamics were the same now as in March/April we'd be well past the point where exponential growth in death would have taken hold. I can't pinpoint which of the many possible reasons why we're not seeing death translate at the same rate, (logically it's probably due to the cumulative effect of all of them) but at least we may be able to open our minds to the possibility that this is a death bump and not a spike. With mandated mask usage by private business on the rise, we might start to see spread controlled soon without worst fears being realized.AAABatteries said:
I agree things could be much worse but we will probably see about 1k deaths a day for a while now AND our cases have been crazy high for like 10 days and don’t appear to be slowing down. Schools will be opening in 2 weeks in Georgia - no mask mandate and we just had our highest case day ever. Sorry, I just don’t hold your optimism.
Maybe I shouldn't jump into the middle of someone else's conversation, but I am going to comment on this. I think your statement gives the impression that you've never lived in a rural area or somewhere that isn't generally metropolis. I have tons of family in rural Minnesota and this just isn't perceived as a big deal out there. Aside from outbreaks at some meat packing places, they haven't experienced it the same as the Northeast US, AZ, FL, TX, etc. So of course they don't worry about it the same. It's human. Also, they don't generally consume a lot of national news because it doesn't affect them personally. To somebody in a fairly large 20k town in West Central Minnesota, even Minneapolis might as well be in Mars, much less Florida or Italy.The Commish said:
Good call - I think I’ve worn pants one time in four months.Just got a marketing email from Levi’s with headline “Ease Back into Pants.”
Pants have to be right up there with cruise ships for impact, no?
Reminds me of the Venn diagram about times I'm truly happy and times I'm wearing pants. I've been truly happy a lot lately.
You have the timeline correct. The weekend of the fourth I wasn’t feeling any symptoms they didn’t show up until Monday night and I got tested Wednesday morning.
So sad to read that combination of sentences.
Just don't get overconfident. Like the governor of Florida did. link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJaUrhKe0kJust got a marketing email from Levi’s with headline “Ease Back into Pants.”
Pants have to be right up there with cruise ships for impact, no?
unfortunately, a huge percentage of our population believes the news is fakeThe Commish said:Understood, which is why I'm asking the questions I am. I haven't seen a state with raw numbers of say 5-10 increase thrown in with states like mine (Florida) in terms of severity. All the reports are around % increase.....I probably should have qualified that. 40+ states have 5%+ steady increases over the last two weeks.
But reading this response it seems you're talking about anecdotal perceptions and personal experiences. So I go back to my original response...I think this sort of "well, it's not happening to me or anyone around me, so I don't see the big deal" would have been "natural" many years ago when we were generally isolated from impacts happening all over the country/world. That was definitely a simpler time. I see no way to label it as such today when it takes a single google search or flipping on the news for 5 minutes to see the harsh realities elsewhere. Thanks for the clarification
"Fake" or overblown? A problem arose when politicians and the government in general, determined that COVID was not dangerous enough to prevent (or even criticize) protests of a specific kind. However, any other gathering of people was shameful and full of people who cared about nothing but themselves, while spreading a deadly disease.
I spent the first 20+ years of my life (if counting the summers during college) in the mountains outside Asheville NC. I was about 20 minutes from the nearest grocery store and 15 minutes from the nearest gas station. I've spent the better part of my life (30+ years) donating my time to people living in areas of this country that have no running water and many houses only have 3 actual walls holding them together. That said, I don't see what any of that has to do with my comments. I was asking for context around "tons" and "naturally". In my view, there is nothing "natural" about shrugging this thing off as "no big deal" IF individuals have paid zero attention to the mountains of coverage at their disposal. If they are completely cut off like that, they most likely have no idea this issue is even going on, so from that perspective, I'd agree with you and para. But I'd also point out, if they are that disconnected and unaware they aren't really the person described in his initial post. The people he's talking about seem to be the people who know about it and still go the "it's no big deal" route.
"Know about" and experience are always different. You know this. i know this. Literally everybody on this board knows this.
Went to church today. Our church was in the process of relocating when all this started so we’re kind of out of pocket right now as the new building is renovated. We’ve made due and had “church in the parking lot” in our cars. There are workers roaming about doing stuff but most all have been wearing masks. This week they set up a tent for the folks who wanted to sit underneath it and be closer (but still socially distanced). Nobody, not one person had a mask on and by the end of service the social distance under the tent was an after thought.renesauz said:
You trying to say that doctors and epidemiologists supporting protests that frequently saw "protesters" screaming in the face of police officers might lead to people not taking it so seriously? Especially when the media hops on board afterward to repeat ad nauseum that the protests havent caused any spread? I mean one report picked up by almost every outlet actually said the protests help limit spread.
Did I miss another post of yours to me? If so, sorry, I missed it. To my knowledge, this is your first response to me after me asking for clarification on a couple things. I have no idea where you live and it doesn't clarify what you meant. And sorry, I do consider a fraction of 1% of our population as anecdotal in terms of this whole fiasco. That doesn't mean it's not a large raw number of people. That's not brushing anything off...it's just putting it in perspective. I wouldn't categorize it as "tons".
Congrats, you are good.mr roboto said:
It's just so sad on so many levels.It appears the White House has ####### blocked the CDC from testifying at the house education committee hearing on opening schools next week....
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/white-house-cdc-house-testimony-schools/index.html
Wow
Well I wasn't thinking quite so rural as no running water when I say rural MN. I was thinking Svea MN (pop 100), Olivia MN (pop. 2500), or Alexandria MN (pop 15k). All of which are 100-150 miles west of Mpls. 40% of MNs 5.5 million people live outside the Mpls metropolitan area, generally in rural areas like these. Places like this add up to tons of people, IMO.
Look at county maps in every state. Easy to find tons of counties with covid rates similar or actually even far lower than mine.
