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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (23 Viewers)

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Simply not true. Watch this answer by Fauci as the definitive point of view on this subject.

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1289543402040643584?s=21

In the case of the study referenced in the video, it was not randomized placebo controlled and Hydroxychloriquine was given in combination with a class of steroids that has been shown in randomized trials to reduce deaths. 

For some reason, Republicans are the ones who dug in around this drug and keep trying again and again to justify their assertions that it’s effective. As Fauci said, when the data shows it’s effective in properly controlled trials, and it’s more effective with fewer risks than other drugs, then it should be used.

Don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that most aren’t looking for reasons not to use the drug. It simply hasn’t passed the scientific muster. And it has been strange that Republicans consistently look to retroactively justify their rash rush to label it a shield and somehow rationalize their criminally negligent understanding and response to the scientific realities that killed so many unnecessary.

To those still doing this, it’s fair to say... you were wrong, it led to death and economic loss, stop the flawed thinking and rely on science for what therapies are actually effective. In the meantime, act by adopting best practices that have shown scientific effectiveness at controlling the virus.

It is not an anti-HCQ cohort “dug in” that’s causing people to die. Those who dug in around it DID!
This seems really odd to me that there hasn’t been a pure study done with this drug yet to prove or disprove its usefulness. Would think there would have been one tee’d up by now given the publicity it’s received.

I picked up 5 Guys last night and they had about 15 people crammed into the tiny kitchen and every time the person spoke to me she pulled her mask down( and I immediately backed up a few feet.  So yeah, that was a moment for me.  

But ####in' A, was it worth it.  
Well yea, 5 Guys...you get a pass for that.

 
No - it's an investigational drug that may be effective in knocking down the inflammation that COVID causes.  Anecdotally it looks to be good, but the bigger studies aren't there yet.

Purely therapeutic, so not a cure.
Thanks...I asked because of your comment regarding "the cure".  That's actually my biggest beef with this HCQ stuff....it was pimped irresponsibly as something it isn't.  Best I've seen is helping with recovery, but as I said above, it "helps" in conjunction with 800 other factors leaving the causation/correlation problem I mentioned earlier.

 
BIL was out of work for 2 days with high fever and intestinal stuff and figured it was just food poisoning. Didn’t tell anyone about it and assumed it went away. He is close to his parents in Milwaukee and dumb/lazy. My MIL has lots of underlying health issues and he just thought it would be fine just heading over to their house tomorrow. If it’s just food poisoning, then a COVID test will be negative and life goes on. If he tests positive, then he will hopefully avoid his parents and everyone else until he’s good to go. This is so frustrating, but seems common, irresponsible, and self-defeating. 
 

ETA: He was told to get tested so hoping he actually does. 

 
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What if your kid didnt test positive? 
I was thinking more of it as a probability. 50% of the time we get groceries delivered, when we go to the store it is never super busy and there is 100% mask compliance, at work I never am in close proximity to people and there is also 100% mask compliance, and I go in maybe 2 days a week for 2 hours a day. That compared to a bunch of kids without masks on without distancing, who knows what other kids parents or people around them are doing. 

 
BIL was out of work for 2 days with high fever and intestinal stuff and figured it was just food poisoning. Didn’t tell anyone about it and assumed it went away. He is close to his parents in Milwaukee and dumb/lazy. My MIL has lots of underlying health issues and he just thought it would be fine just heading over to their house tomorrow. If it’s just food poisoning, then a COVID test will be negative and life goes on. If he tests positive, then he will hopefully avoid his parents and everyone else until he’s good to go. This is so frustrating, but seems common, irresponsible, and self-defeating. 
 

ETA: He was told to get tested so hoping he actually does. 
I mean if he had stomach issues and they are gone now I wouldn't even think to get a covid test.

 
Fever has persisted 
My mother was very similar... Gastro-flareup + winded + fever... latter finally breaking after 3 days, and she says she's feeling much better.  
 

FWIW; She tested negative on 15min test and gets 72hr results tomorrow.

 
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Daycare, daycare, daycare, there is no circumstance where I get sick and blame anything else, even if I do pick it up somewhere else. 
Daycare is how I got 95% of my illnesses before COVID; so, definitely this. I’m currently battling a cold right now that pretty sure my son brought home from there (at least, I’m fairly positive it is just cold and not COVID).

 
I find myself noting certain moments of "if i test positive, this will definitely be where I got it"

Anybody else? 
Pretty much every day at work. Even though it is mandated by our state mask usage is spotty at best. And we had an outbreak that closed one of our facilities and lead to a couple deaths, so it's not like it hasn't touched us or anything... On Friday I had to go to a meeting at one of our sister facilities that obviously doesn't believe in it. They do of course rush to check your temperature as you come in but then it's like "WOOO! ALL CLEAR!"  :rolleyes:  

There are 8 of us in a small conference room. 4 of us are wearing a mask, the other 4.. Not so much. One was a vendor that came to the room holding a mask... 

Vendor - "Are we masking for this?"

Project Manager - "Entirely up to you."

Guy proceeds to put his mask in his pocket, begins talking and then breaks out in a coughing fit.  :wall:

I have to break out N95 masks for meetings because it is just not taken seriously.

I was in another meeting a week ago at our facility where it is taken a little more seriously. 11 people in a conference room. 2 people were recovered COVID. 5 of us had masks on and were wearing it correctly including one of the recovered folks.  3 people including one of the recovered had it around his chin. Two people had no masks on including the project manager running the meeting. One person (our CEO) had it hanging from his ear. (that'll work chief).

I really need to find a new company to work for.

 
Except it's in Berlin, Germany.    But I see you managed to ge at least one poster to fall for it.  🤣
Uh, I think it being Germany was his point.  That it isn't just Americans pushing back against these mandates.  That said, I see a diff between where Germany is at case-wise vs. America at the time of this protest.  Then again I also see a diff between 17k marching in the streets vs. two yahoos wearing swastika masks at wal-mart.  I think the larger take-away is that there is a significant population who is very selfish, scientifically under-educated, largely unadaptable, and grossly over-fed.

As always, just my opinion.

 
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I find myself noting certain moments of "if i test positive, this will definitely be where I got it"

Anybody else? 
Just when we're around friends and family. The ones we're around are taking it seriously, but all it takes is one eff up from one of them. It's a risk we're comfortable with, but there's good reason anytime we see anyone else it's somewhere outside with room to move. In-person school's gonna trash all of that though.

 
Food shortages hitting China now.
 

Anyone else upping food/supplies stocks a bit more on the chance we have food/supply chain/economic hardships come fall/winter? 
 

Canned goods are getting increasingly hard to get. WalMart with a limit of 6 of any canned good when ordering in the app. Have been adding 6ea of assorted beans/veggies/protein etc plus a bit more rice here and there.

Picked up a vacuum sealer and have been boosting freezer stocks of meats. Doubles as convenience for Sous Vide bagging preparation. 

Goal currently is to be able to shut in for the winter at any point, so a good 6mo of supplies. Likely getting close but rather safe than sorry.

If it turns out to be for nothing, food budget will be low for Q1/2 next year as we cycle down to the standard 2 months of supplies.  ;)   

 
Food shortages hitting China now.
 

Anyone else upping food/supplies stocks a bit more on the chance we have food/supply chain/economic hardships come fall/winter? 
 

Canned goods are getting increasingly hard to get. WalMart with a limit of 6 of any canned good when ordering in the app. Have been adding 6ea of assorted beans/veggies/protein etc plus a bit more rice here and there.

Picked up a vacuum sealer and have been boosting freezer stocks of meats. Doubles as convenience for Sous Vide bagging preparation. 

Goal currently is to be able to shut in for the winter at any point, so a good 6mo of supplies. Likely getting close but rather safe than sorry.

If it turns out to be for nothing, food budget will be low for Q1/2 next year as we cycle down to the standard 2 months of supplies.  ;)   
Yeah we've been slowly stocking up over the past month as things got worse in our area. We had done so earlier this year (due to this thread) but turns out not nearly enough and I'm not making that mistake again. 

My office is beginning to look like the storage room from Blast from the Past. My wife even brings a reusable bag when she goes "shopping" lol. 

 
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Except it's in Berlin, Germany.    But I see you managed to ge at least one poster to fall for it.  🤣
I didn’t fall for anything.  The point of my post was instead of fixing America’s problem, you cheer when someone joins this problem.  In this case, Berlin.  
 

Did you bother to read what I wrote before laughing at it?
 

 
More evidence that the epidemic in Florida is getting better: Florida Adds 7,104 Coronavirus Cases as State Total Nears 490K

Except for deaths which are a lagging indicator. Marc Bevand is a programming genius born and educated in France, but now living in San Diego. He has some of the best graphs and explanations of the Florida data, the effect of the death reporting lag, while deaths are either decreasing or increasing. His latest estimate is New forecast: deaths will peak in Florida around August 6 between 160-190 deaths/day.

Be sure to alos look at his graph of CFR by age group by date. 

 
More evidence that the epidemic in Florida is getting better: Florida Adds 7,104 Coronavirus Cases as State Total Nears 490K

Except for deaths which are a lagging indicator. Marc Bevand is a programming genius born and educated in France, but now living in San Diego. He has some of the best graphs and explanations of the Florida data, the effect of the death reporting lag, while deaths are either decreasing or increasing. His latest estimate is New forecast: deaths will peak in Florida around August 6 between 160-190 deaths/day.

Be sure to alos look at his graph of CFR by age group by date. 
Haven't they had over 200 deaths in a day already?

 
Haven't they had over 200 deaths in a day already?
He's referring to the number of actual deaths in a day, and some moving average. The 200 was reported deaths in a day, but many deaths occurred days or even weeks earlier. 

His rainbow and other graphs explain it better.

 
I didn’t fall for anything.  The point of my post was instead of fixing America’s problem, you cheer when someone joins this problem.  In this case, Berlin.  
 

Did you bother to read what I wrote before laughing at it?
 
Read your 5 word post?  Yeah,  it went into detail.    😉

Only in America.   

 
Hmmmm.....only the headline said its because of COVID.  

Drama is fun though.
Except for this part:

According to Johns Hopkins Medicine, myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that is usually due to a viral infection. The inflammation can lead to arrhythmias, cardiomyopathy or heart failure.

Rodriguez's doctors told him that 10% to 20% of people who have had COVID-19 also have been diagnosed with myocarditis.
Reading is fundamental.

 
Chief Baseball Officer Chaim Bloom said that left-hander Eduardo Rodriguez will not play this year, after developing a heart issue following his bout with COVID-19.
according to Johns Hopkins Medicine, myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that is usually due to a viral infection. The inflammation can lead to arrhythmias, cardiomyopathy or heart failure.

Rodriguez's doctors told him that 10% to 20% of people who have had COVID-19 also have been diagnosed with myocarditis.

Maybe you clicked a different article

 
Chief Baseball Officer Chaim Bloom said that left-hander Eduardo Rodriguez will not play this year, after developing a heart issue following his bout with COVID-19.
according to Johns Hopkins Medicine, myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that is usually due to a viral infection. The inflammation can lead to arrhythmias, cardiomyopathy or heart failure.

Rodriguez's doctors told him that 10% to 20% of people who have had COVID-19 also have been diagnosed with myocarditis.

Maybe you clicked a different article
Basically the same info, in some depth, from the NY Post.

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Specifically, COVID-19-related myocarditis seems to be more commonly an artifact of younger patients surviving the infection (Study 1, JAMA 7/27/2020) than in older patients succumbing to the disease (Study 2, JAMA also 7/27/2020). Age of patients in Study 1 ranged from 45-53, in Study 2 from 78-89. All subjects in Study 1 had recovered from COVID-19, all in Study 2 were COVID-19 patients examined postmortem.

 
Are the Florida numbers reliable? Not a fan of changes midstream on trending data, so forgive me for being skeptical, but the declines seem to coincide closely with the change in data reporting to HHS instead of to the CDC.

I also see a lot of individual hospital system level reporting, both in Florida and Texas. Not a fan of that either.

 
Basically the same info, in some depth, from the NY Post.

...

Specifically, COVID-19-related myocarditis seems to be more commonly an artifact of younger patients surviving the infection (Study 1, JAMA 7/27/2020) than in older patients succumbing to the disease (Study 2, JAMA also 7/27/2020). Age of patients in Study 1 ranged from 45-53, in Study 2 from 78-89. All subjects in Study 1 had recovered from COVID-19, all in Study 2 were COVID-19 patients examined postmortem.
Based on a quick scan of posts from @perbach, I imagine he’ll be back any second to thank us for the clarification and additional information, as well as recognize his snarky, dismissive tone and offer a mea culpa. 

 
More evidence that the epidemic in Florida is getting better: Florida Adds 7,104 Coronavirus Cases as State Total Nears 490K

Except for deaths which are a lagging indicator. Marc Bevand is a programming genius born and educated in France, but now living in San Diego. He has some of the best graphs and explanations of the Florida data, the effect of the death reporting lag, while deaths are either decreasing or increasing. His latest estimate is New forecast: deaths will peak in Florida around August 6 between 160-190 deaths/day.

Be sure to alos look at his graph of CFR by age group by date. 
First day under 10% positive in as long as I can remember. Glad to see that. 

 
Based on a quick scan of posts from @perbach, I imagine he’ll be back any second to thank us for the clarification and additional information, as well as recognize his snarky, dismissive tone and offer a mea culpa. 
It's OK ... there's a wider audience than just those posting in this thread.

 
Are the Florida numbers reliable? Not a fan of changes midstream on trending data, so forgive me for being skeptical, but the declines seem to coincide closely with the change in data reporting to HHS instead of to the CDC.

I also see a lot of individual hospital system level reporting, both in Florida and Texas. Not a fan of that either.
Many people believe their numbers are not reliable including me.

 
Are the Florida numbers reliable? Not a fan of changes midstream on trending data, so forgive me for being skeptical, but the declines seem to coincide closely with the change in data reporting to HHS instead of to the CDC.

I also see a lot of individual hospital system level reporting, both in Florida and Texas. Not a fan of that either.
I like the daily reporting from Miami's Jackson Health Systems, and the occasional reporting from Baptist since I like to see if it coincides with the county and state level reporting. As I posted above, the number of COVID inpatients at these hospitals systems, which are the 2 largest in Miami-Dade, peaked about 1 week ago and has been declining since then.

Almost all the experts and dashboards are showing that Florida has peaked, in terms of cases, but deaths are lagging and will peak soon. Florida is a big state and some regions could still have a resurgence. 

Youyang Gu: https://twitter.com/youyanggu

Marc Bevand and his prediction that deaths will peak around 160/day, near Aug 6: https://twitter.com/Pseudorandom75/status/1289760113775931394. He also addresses the change to Probable Death.

 The COVID Tracking Project rates Florida's data as "A" quality: https://covidtracking.com/data

 
Interesting press release from Goethe University in Frankfurt, Germany (7/29/2020):

Frankfurt scientists identify possible Achilles’ heel of SARS-CoV-2 virus
COVID-19 research: Anti-viral strategy with double effect

When the SARS-CoV-2 virus penetrates human cells, it lets the human host cell produce proteins for it. One of these viral proteins, [an enzyme] called PLpro, is essential for the replication and rapid spread of the virus. An international team of researchers led by Goethe University and University Hospital Frankfurt has now discovered that the pharmacological inhibition of this viral enzyme not only blocks virus replication but also strengthens the anti-viral immune response at the same time (Nature, DOI 10.1038/s41586-020-2601-5).

In the case of an infection, the SARS-CoV-2 virus must overcome various defense mechanisms of the human body, including its non-specific or innate immune defense. During this process, infected body cells release messenger substances known as type 1 interferons. These attract natural killer cells, which kill the infected cells.

One of the reasons the SARS-CoV-2 virus is so successful – and thus dangerous – is that it can suppress the non-specific immune response. In addition, it lets the human cell produce the viral protein PLpro (papain-like protease). PLpro has two functions: It plays a role in the maturation and release of new viral particles, and it suppresses the development of type 1 interferons. The German and Dutch researchers have now been able to monitor these processes in cell culture experiments. Moreover, if they blocked PLpro, virus production was inhibited and the innate immune response of the human cells was strengthened at the same time.
Link to more detailed article preview in Nature. The results of this study have undergone peer review.

A significant caveat: So far, the experimentation has only been done in vitro using human CaCo–2 cells. This is as opposed to common use of Vero cells (from the African green monkey) in many viral studies.

What the researchers have found to date is a potential anti-viral treatment strategy -- not a finished, working treatment on live infected patients. Hopefully, further research is forthcoming and can present promising, replicable results.

 
Are the Florida numbers reliable? Not a fan of changes midstream on trending data, so forgive me for being skeptical, but the declines seem to coincide closely with the change in data reporting to HHS instead of to the CDC.

I also see a lot of individual hospital system level reporting, both in Florida and Texas. Not a fan of that either.
It’s a weekend reporting and they also shut down the state testing sites on Thursday, I believe temporarily because of the storm.

 
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