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Nevermind me....I read too fast. My point was that when they make changes they do them retroactively, so if you had something from June that you noted then and are comparing it to what's there now, that might not be wise. But that's not what you said...I made a faulty assumption in my response.
Didn't Florida change some things about how they'd be tracking cases a few months back? I don't know the details but I remember reading about some new implementations or whatever that suggested they might be able to fudge the numbers. Again, it was awhile ago and I'm foggy on it, but it stuck out to me as an opening for them to tweak stuff down the line. So with everything in play right now, I don't trust their numbers one bit.
...uh yeah, ok. I guess they got people to quit dying as much too, probably just a political stunt.
Just asking, did they change things up or not? And is it to be trusted?
IDK. Doesn't matter though, you already declared you won't trust the numbers one bit. Nothing I would suggest would change that.
I think they did (other states were forced to change reporting too). It was done to make the numbers look smaller (and the admin look better than it was). I don't trust the numbers any more.
The data scientist who was in charge of tracking Covid numbers in Florida was fired and the data made much more secretive after that.
And worldwide, in the early months, about twenty countries were reporting 1,000+ news cases a day. Now it's mid to high-thirty countries reporting that many new cases.
Doing a couple more distanced, outside meetups and then putting it into shutdown mode again.
Oh but it does.
Yup. There's pressure on every agency involved with this to change/suppress their data. It's very concerning for most people because it is another demonstration of who this admin actually cares about.
Great thread on why this study is flawed. Fwiw Alasdair also immediately pointed out these same flaws in the now retracted south korea study that the new york times made a huge deal about and was actually cited by school districts all over as reason to go remote.
This really took off when Evers started his mandates. Finding it hard to blame the bars when the ones I've been to have very few people in them.
Ya gotta love this line of thinking. The same people who sabotaged the effort to limit Covid by not wearing masks, not social distancing, not using common sense etc. are saying that these things don't work or even blaming the anti-Covid efforts for causing Covid spread. SMH.
I've been in a ton of packed bars in Northeast Wisconsin which is ground zero for Covid right now (I only went to bars after I had Covid in July). Madison is rarely representative of the rest of Wisconsin.
There was 4 straight weeks of descending case totals after the mask mandate. I am not aware of any other mandates that were still in effect, so the bold is factually incorrect.
Then how am I going to get my Grain Belt beer? Just kidding. I would never drink that swill.
If during flu season every year we all exercised better hygiene, wore masks on public transit, shook less hands, got vaccinated, and stayed home when sick, then yes we could. With Covid likely becoming a seasonal thing after this year, we probably will be required to exercise these parameters in fall/winter going forward. Which will help prevent future pandemics as well.
That sucks that they’re not releasing local data. That’s just stupid.
I dont mean where zip code wise. I mean where like grocery store, party, wedding church, etc. I personally know of two events that had more than 20 cases among actual attendees. Literally nothing available in the news. Yet there were countless articles about the election and how many cases in WI and the anti lockdown protests causing cases ( even though they actually only asked if people had been to a large event, not actually a question about actual anti lockdown attendence).
I know it's not quite apples to apples, but when New Zealand had a couple recent cases, their contact tracing was detailed enough that they were able to identify a trash can lid and an elevator button as the likely sources of transmission. As you said, I'd think that even with the limitations in our own contact tracing there would be more information available.
That actually seems a bit suspect as fomite transmission is pretty rare. I guess rare still means it occurs so it’s definitely possible, but seems improbable.
I read that article yesterday.
I cant seem to find any official position on airborne spread from NZ. I feel like that is important for how much stock we should put into any of these reports. If they rule it out then that means fomite spread will be the conclusion reached anytime they cant place individuals within 1.5 metres of each other.
From a pedantic NJ resident and editor, it's Lakewood.
Nothing in the statement you quoted is incorrect, and infection control in NZ sure seems to be doing something right.parasaurolophus said:
I think it was this coupled with high numbers of people commuting to the city. Also there were a large number of nursing homes that were hit very hard around me.Pip's Invitation said:
Funny. That’s probably about as accurate an estimate as New Zealand public health officials, or anyone for that matter, could make based on what we definitively know. Which is why it’s nonproductive to mock them for their stance on airborne transmission.
I mocked them because they said "scientific evidence confirms" which is a phrase that has no business being on any public health declarations right now.
I know you asked para, but I'll take an honest stab at it: something like 2 cases in 3.
My wife was going to boot camp type classes 3 or 4 times a week while we were in Boise in September. She was the only one wearing a mask, including the instructor. She did do virtual spin classes there but there was no one else near her. Doing a group spin class is something even she said she wouldn't do right now.
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