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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (38 Viewers)

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No idea where to get N95, but short of delaying your flight until testing done, that’s about the best way you can protect others if you’re infected
Thanks.  I did another rapid test this morning, again negative.  I'm about to board and have a KN95 on. Not planning on removing it for the duration of the flight. 

As I said upthread, the positive case guy is also flying home today instead of quarantining or at the minimum renting a car and driving back to California. 

 
100%  People are way too hung up on the # of cases/infections.   Yeah, that was important last year when we didn't have the vaccination.   Why we haven't shifted to a metric based on hospital #s or something similar is beyond frustrating.   

And I mean people on both sides - one side is using the # of cases and I feel like we are going to be in perpetual mask/freak out mode, and another side is using it inappropriately to say "the jab juice doesn't work!!".    :wall:  
In general I agree with you, as I suggested a "sliding scale" based approach about 14 months ago; however, that being said, one time when cases do matter is a time like right now, when we are looking at uncontrolled spread and exponential case growth basically country wide. That's bad for business all around. And t doesn't have to be based on "number of cases" alone necessarily, as long as you're considering number of tests, test positivity rate, etc.  My point being... number of cases sometimes matters. And we are at one of those points. 

 
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So this is where my wife drives me insane. She's now all freaked out about masking and our trip to Florida (we are all boosted) and catching it because of her asthma.

But guess what she won't do ....cancel dinner at my sister OR our Christmas Eve party.  I'm like if you are so concerned let's cancel the party. We cancelled last year .... She's like no we will be ok.....  :lol:
But see this is the best part of Covid--getting to not attend family functions--especially when all members of my family are anti-vax. 

My sister is holding a baby shower next month--it is her daughter's wife who is pregnant. It is an extremely high-risk pregnancy and they already have a date to take the baby early. I know, let's have a party and surround this high risk 7-month pregnant woman with un-vaxed people. I mean WTH!!  They have invited my 87-year-old mom and my wife, who are both fully vaxed. My wife doesn't want to go, but she may go to just support my mom. 

 
But see this is the best part of Covid--getting to not attend family functions--especially when all members of my family are anti-vax. 

My sister is holding a baby shower next month--it is her daughter's wife who is pregnant. It is an extremely high-risk pregnancy and they already have a date to take the baby early. I know, let's have a party and surround this high risk 7-month pregnant woman with un-vaxed people. I mean WTH!!  They have invited my 87-year-old mom and my wife, who are both fully vaxed. My wife doesn't want to go, but she may go to just support my mom. 
Why is your mom going?

 
But see this is the best part of Covid--getting to not attend family functions--especially when all members of my family are anti-vax. 

My sister is holding a baby shower next month--it is her daughter's wife who is pregnant. It is an extremely high-risk pregnancy and they already have a date to take the baby early. I know, let's have a party and surround this high risk 7-month pregnant woman with un-vaxed people. I mean WTH!!  They have invited my 87-year-old mom and my wife, who are both fully vaxed. My wife doesn't want to go, but she may go to just support my mom. 
Sure we skipped a lot of things....my wife just can't pick a lane..... We've cancelled and not attended many events last winter

 
But see this is the best part of Covid--getting to not attend family functions--especially when all members of my family are anti-vax. 

My sister is holding a baby shower next month--it is her daughter's wife who is pregnant. It is an extremely high-risk pregnancy and they already have a date to take the baby early. I know, let's have a party and surround this high risk 7-month pregnant woman with un-vaxed people. I mean WTH!!  They have invited my 87-year-old mom and my wife, who are both fully vaxed. My wife doesn't want to go, but she may go to just support my mom. 
My wife works in the NICU.  One of the babies there - her mother got Covid from someone at the baby’s baby shower.  Mom went on vent prior to birth. They delivered the baby while mom was on vent.  Mom then died without ever seeing her baby.  

 
That doesn't look fine to me, especially considering they're comparing it to earlier NYC waves, which were among the worst in the nation. Also, hospital admin tend to downplay the severity of bed shortages. I'd be more interested in hospital and ICU censuses compared to historical averages, and changes in overall hospitalizations in the last few weeks. 

 
But see this is the best part of Covid--getting to not attend family functions--especially when all members of my family are anti-vax. 

My sister is holding a baby shower next month--it is her daughter's wife who is pregnant. It is an extremely high-risk pregnancy and they already have a date to take the baby early. I know, let's have a party and surround this high risk 7-month pregnant woman with un-vaxed people. I mean WTH!!  They have invited my 87-year-old mom and my wife, who are both fully vaxed. My wife doesn't want to go, but she may go to just support my mom. 
I think my covid-19 experience is colored a bit by living hundreds of miles from any our parents, and they're all vaxxed and boosted anyway.  I'm just hanging out with my wife and kids all week.  Nothing to worry about.

GL -- I hope this turns around for you.

 
That doesn't look fine to me, especially considering they're comparing it to earlier NYC waves, which were among the worst in the nation. Also, hospital admin tend to downplay the severity of bed shortages. I'd be more interested in hospital and ICU censuses compared to historical averages, and changes in overall hospitalizations in the last few weeks. 
Thank you for continuing to share your experience and knowledge with us.

 
I know so many people with covid now. More than I have during the whole pandemic. All seem fine so far. All vaxxed.
How are they generally learning of their infections? Tested because of recent close contact? Tested for other reasons (e.g. travel, work)?

 
Huh? Where did I say this was good?
Unless I’m misunderstanding, you’ve repeatedly stated or implied omicron is mild, hospitals and people with Covid are “fine”, etc.

Waaaaait a second…are you using “fine” like my wife uses it? I always tease her that fine is a four-letter word.

 
Unless I’m misunderstanding, you’ve repeatedly stated or implied omicron is mild, hospitals and people with Covid are “fine”, etc.

Waaaaait a second…are you using “fine” like my wife uses it? I always tease her that fine is a four-letter word.
The people that I know that currently have covid are all doing fine right now. All have mild cold symptoms. You are reading way too much into this.

 
As a healthcare provider, I can assure you the “WITH Covid” trope is overblown. The vast majority (ballpark, 95%+) of people hospitalized have pneumonia with low oxygen saturations FROM Covid.

At least that’s the pattern so far. A milder variant could certainly change the numbers, but given the resources needed to care for Covid patients (private isolation rooms, PPE), “WITH Covid” is still a PITA and taxing on hospitals.
I'll second this, and throw in my anecdotal evidence: We have had roughly 300 COVID patients since this all kicked off. Of those, I can remember 3 who came in "incidentally with COVID" and not because of COVID pneumonia. All 3 were somehow related to Diabetes: 2 on insulin drips for Diabetic Ketoacidosis and one acute pancreatitis.

And they still have to go into the COVID ward, which, thankfully, we still have. Because even though it sucks being in full PPE for a 12-hour shift and not being able to eat/drink/pee except during 2 timed breaks, it still beats having to don/doff PPE 100 times per shift outside the rooms.

 
The people that I know that currently have covid are all doing fine right now. All have mild cold symptoms. You are reading way too much into this.
At no time have multiple of my friends/acquaintances simultaneously had Covid, and certainly not vaccinated ones. That is a bad sign, because there’s still a ton of unvaccinated and immunocompromised people, who likely won’t all do as well if they get it.

Of course, my opinion is jaundiced by taking care of a bunch of really sick patients, and seeing the hospital bursting at the seams with few covid patients atm.

I could just assume a big uptick in symptomatic infections among less vulnerable people is fine, but I see it as a harbinger of badness for hospitals, especially considering the increased risk of transmission the holidays bring.

 
At no time have multiple of my friends/acquaintances simultaneously had Covid, and certainly not vaccinated ones. That is a bad sign, because there’s still a ton of unvaccinated and immunocompromised people, who likely won’t all do as well if they get it.

Of course, my opinion is jaundiced by taking care of a bunch of really sick patients, and seeing the hospital bursting at the seams with few covid patients atm.

I could just assume a big uptick in symptomatic infections among less vulnerable people is fine, but I see it as a harbinger of badness for hospitals, especially considering the increased risk of transmission the holidays bring.
You're a weird dude

I wasn't making some grandiose statement. Just commenting on how the people I currently know with covid are doing right now.

 
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You're a weird dude

I wasn't making some grandiose statement. Just commenting on how the people I currently know with covid are doing right now.
I can’t read your mind, but I’m considering more than just a single post about your friends.

Anyway, I’m not an actuary, so I probably just don’t understand the risk and uncertainty very well.

 
I can’t read your mind, but I’m considering more than just a single post about your friends.

Anyway, I’m not an actuary, so I probably just don’t understand the risk and uncertainty very well.
I know most can't really understand or appreciate the healthcare side of things when it's not what they do and aren't exposed to it on a regular basis.

But I still struggle to understand how some of those same folks think what they see from a health standpoint outside the healthcare setting (either personally or anecdotally from people they know) compares to those who work with it on a daily basis. You try to explain why a lot of vaccinated people testing positive is not a good thing even though it's just a cold for them, but you're the weird dude. :shrug:

 
I know most can't really understand or appreciate the healthcare side of things when it's not what they do and aren't exposed to it on a regular basis.

But I still struggle to understand how some of those same folks think what they see from a health standpoint outside the healthcare setting (either personally or anecdotally from people they know) compares to those who work with it on a daily basis. You try to explain why a lot of vaccinated people testing positive is not a good thing even though it's just a cold for them, but you're the weird dude. :shrug:
I never said they were a good thing. Keep putting words in my mouth.

 
Instead of focusing on vaccines now, government needs to pivot to mass testing whether that be opening up testing centers again or making home kits available ASAP. Vaccines aren't gonna get us out of Omicron.

 
Instead of focusing on vaccines now, government needs to pivot to mass testing whether that be opening up testing centers again or making home kits available ASAP. Vaccines aren't gonna get us out of Omicron.
Meh. People won’t take vaccines. But people won’t comply with non-pharmaceutical interventions either.

How do you suppose widespread testing will get us out of this mess?

 
Instead of focusing on vaccines now, government needs to pivot to mass testing whether that be opening up testing centers again or making home kits available ASAP. Vaccines aren't gonna get us out of Omicron.
Vaccines - with a booster - are fantastic.  It would also, in parallel, be great to have easy and expansive access to mass testing.  Why do you think vaccines aren’t helpful?

 
Delta in this country
I'm not so sure about this. 

With the prevalence of easy cheap at home tests, I think a lot of positives are just being recorded, if they're being recorded at all, as covid positive irrespective of variant.

My wife just tested positive and was mildly symptomatic on Thursday. She called her doctor for guidance and perhaps to take a more formal test. She was told no need and to quarantine.

If this scenario is being repeated nationwide where is the updated data coming from?

 
I know most can't really understand or appreciate the healthcare side of things when it's not what they do and aren't exposed to it on a regular basis.

But I still struggle to understand how some of those same folks think what they see from a health standpoint outside the healthcare setting (either personally or anecdotally from people they know) compares to those who work with it on a daily basis. You try to explain why a lot of vaccinated people testing positive is not a good thing even though it's just a cold for them, but you're the weird dude. :shrug:
To be fair, I’m pretty sure I’m at lot better interpreting statistics than some of our resident experts. Heck, my survival skills might even exceed Gordon Gekko’s.

I completely defer in discussions of obscure music, investments and Jimmy Dean shortages though.

 
Vaccines - with a booster - are fantastic.  It would also, in parallel, be great to have easy and expansive access to mass testing.  Why do you think vaccines aren’t helpful?
Never said they weren't helpful. Just saying the push RIGHT NOW during this Omicron wave should be on testing rather than vaccines. We can't vaccine our way out of this in the short term especially when the majority of the country has been vaccinated.

 
Never said they weren't helpful. Just saying the push RIGHT NOW during this Omicron wave should be on testing rather than vaccines. We can't vaccine our way out of this in the short term especially when the majority of the country has been vaccinated.
Ok.  Thanks for clarifying.  I think both are crucial right now — boosters and testing.  Science would agree with me, because the majority of the country hasn’t been boosted and we know the differential efficacy between 2 doses and 3 doses.

 
I'm not so sure about this. 

With the prevalence of easy cheap at home tests, I think a lot of positives are just being recorded, if they're being recorded at all, as covid positive irrespective of variant.

My wife just tested positive and was mildly symptomatic on Thursday. She called her doctor for guidance and perhaps to take a more formal test. She was told no need and to quarantine.

If this scenario is being repeated nationwide where is the updated data coming from?
Routine tests don’t distinguish delta from other variants, but specialized testing has revealed it’s the predominant variant for several months.

Omicron, on the other hand, can often be identified with widely used NAATs. Although I haven’t seen all the data, since we’ve been looking for it in HI, there have been relatively few tests suggesting omicron.

Also cases had been downtrending until very recently, and are now increasing, corresponding pretty well with omicron’s emergence.

Even contagious stuff takes a while to become widespread, typically measured in months, rather than a few weeks.

But to clarify, which variant do you think predominates?

 
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You serious? If everyone tests themselves at home everyday before leaving the house, that won't stop the spread?
You expect people to test themselves every day?  Good luck with that.

In theory I'm sure it would work.

Just like in theory shutdowns should have worked

 
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