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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (17 Viewers)

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dgreen said:
I got my booster last Friday. I asked if it was for 12+ like the first two shots and they said yes. So, Saturday, I took my 14 year old. We obviously filled out the forms with his age so they knew at that time too that he wasn't 16. They gave him the booster. He's just over 6 months from his second dose.

Sunday, my neighbor heard that our 14 year old got the booster and she said that he can't and it started to worry my wife. He seems totally normal, so I'm not worried. I do find it odd now, though, that the pharmacy would do that if the CDC has only approved 16+.
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I wouldnt worry too much but that is surprising about the pharmacy.

 
dgreen said:
I got my booster last Friday. I asked if it was for 12+ like the first two shots and they said yes. So, Saturday, I took my 14 year old. We obviously filled out the forms with his age so they knew at that time too that he wasn't 16. They gave him the booster. He's just over 6 months from his second dose.

Sunday, my neighbor heard that our 14 year old got the booster and she said that he can't and it started to worry my wife. He seems totally normal, so I'm not worried. I do find it odd now, though, that the pharmacy would do that if the CDC has only approved 16+.
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I think the main concern is that all those hormones sloshing around in his body might interfere with the transmission from the 5G chip. 

 
jobarules said:
I wouldnt worry too much but that is surprising about the pharmacy.
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My totally uneducated guess is that most pharmacies see themselves in the shot-giving business, not the shot-denying business. If @dgreenhad asked they might have escalated the question up the chain of command and told him his son wasn't eligible. But they're probably just scanning the paperwork, making sure all the boxes are checked, and jabbing away.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
My totally uneducated guess is that most pharmacies see themselves in the shot-giving business, not the shot-denying business. If @dgreenhad asked they might have escalated the question up the chain of command and told him his son wasn't eligible. But they're probably just scanning the paperwork, making sure all the boxes are checked, and jabbing away.
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Well, I did ask on Friday. I actually asked twice on Friday. But, it was the same people working on Saturday as Friday, so I didn't bother asking again when I brought him in.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
Postcards from the #NewNormal:

I've been home alone since Sunday. Wife and kids are staying with her mother, who lives an hour north. Plan was for my wife to drive back solo last night and we would get to have some "couple time" before heading back to her mom's on the 24th.

About an hour before she was planning on leaving, I noticed I had a little bit of a sore throat. I took an at-home rapid test, which came back negative, but she decided to play it safe and hold off on her return.

This morning I woke up (throat was still sore) and planned on going to a pop-up testing site I've used a number of times in recent weeks, because you can get both a rapid and a PCR. I got there at 8:05; they were still setting up the site but there was already a decent-sized line. Went to another place down the street where no one had even arrived to start setup, but there were a few people waiting. Waited there for awhile before we somehow figured out that that site wasn't going to open today (staffing issues).

At that point I said, screw it, went home and took another home test (also negative) and then went to the place around the corner from our house, which only does PCR. There was a minimal line, and while they usually get back results within 24 hours, who knows with the current demand levels? My wife is holding off on her return until I get the PCR negative.

On the one hand, we're lucky that this Covid scare is happening at a time when I'm basically not interacting with anyone, the kids aren't in school, etc. On the other, a simple, stupid sore throat that is most likely not Covid has thrown our plans for the week into chaos.
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With you. Having to treat everything serious now is a hassle for sure.

FWIW, on the other side, I canceled a lunch with my 79 year old Dad back in October because I didn't feel quite right. And canceled a thing where I would see my 80 year old aunt the next day.

Two days later, I tested positive. (double vaccinated in the spring)

Was thankful I didn't expose them. 

But there are also plenty of times when it's nothing and you cancel as well. I hope that's the case for you. Hang in there. 

 
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This is hopeful and somehow frightening at the same time link

US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

 
dgreen said:
I got my booster last Friday. I asked if it was for 12+ like the first two shots and they said yes. So, Saturday, I took my 14 year old. We obviously filled out the forms with his age so they knew at that time too that he wasn't 16. They gave him the booster. He's just over 6 months from his second dose.

Sunday, my neighbor heard that our 14 year old got the booster and she said that he can't and it started to worry my wife. He seems totally normal, so I'm not worried. I do find it odd now, though, that the pharmacy would do that if the CDC has only approved 16+.
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So technically, it is not approved for under 16. Pfizer has said they don't think it may even be necessary.  I wouldn't worry too much but I would definitely reach out to pharmacy and a doctor.

They honestly really screwed up imo

 
dgreen said:
Well, I did ask on Friday. I actually asked twice on Friday. But, it was the same people working on Saturday as Friday, so I didn't bother asking again when I brought him in.
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Got it. Maybe the people you asked didn't know he wasn't eligible. Or maybe they did know and were like, "I don't care what the rules say, there's no harm in giving this kid his shot."

 
Joe Bryant said:
With you. Having to treat everything serious now is a hassle for sure.

FWIW, on the other side, I canceled a lunch with my 79 year old Dad back in October because I didn't feel quite right. And canceled a thing where I would see my 80 year old aunt the next day.

Two days later, I tested positive. (double vaccinated in the spring)

Was thankful I didn't expose them. 

But there are also plenty of times when it's nothing and you cancel as well. I hope that's the case for you. Hang in there. 
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I'll take the annoyance of 10 canceled plans over the potential lifelong guilt of knowing I infected someone close to me, especially someone vulnerable.

(Also, if I ever exposed my immunocompromised, Covid-widowed mother-in-law, my wife would kill me far more ruthlessly than any Covid variant).

 
I got tested today along with 3 of my kids as my wife has been positive for about 8 days now.  Me and the oldest daughter are negative - waiting on the result of the other two.  None of the four of us have any symptoms at all.

 
AAABatteries said:
If you had told me three years ago that the number of times I went in to a liquor store from 2020-2021 was 100x greater than the number of times I went in to the office to work I would assume I was divorced, homeless, about to die or a combination of those.  But nope, everything is fantastic!
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You still have a week !!!!

 
So I'm probably a bad person. As I said before, I have allergies bad and often, so congestion/slight cough/headache are common in my life.  

I'm actually pretty good at sensing "something is off".... Last night my nose would not stop running and had to blow my nose a ton.  Felt fine otherwise.  I feel 100% fine now.... Should I have got a test?  I didn't and probably won't but now I wonder

 
belljr said:
So I'm probably a bad person. As I said before, I have allergies bad and often, so congestion/slight cough/headache are common in my life.  

I'm actually pretty good at sensing "something is off".... Last night my nose would not stop running and had to blow my nose a ton.  Felt fine otherwise.  I feel 100% fine now.... Should I have got a test?  I didn't and probably won't but now I wonder
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Sleep always gets rid of my allergy attacks too

 
belljr said:
So I'm probably a bad person. As I said before, I have allergies bad and often, so congestion/slight cough/headache are common in my life.  

I'm actually pretty good at sensing "something is off".... Last night my nose would not stop running and had to blow my nose a ton.  Felt fine otherwise.  I feel 100% fine now.... Should I have got a test?  I didn't and probably won't but now I wonder
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Have you been exposed that you are aware of?  I know you’ve mentioned you will be doing family stuff coming up - will you be around any elderly and/or immunocompromised folks?  Those are my determining factors on when I would or wouldn’t get tested but I think everybody has different ones for themselves.

 
belljr said:
So I'm probably a bad person. As I said before, I have allergies bad and often, so congestion/slight cough/headache are common in my life.  

I'm actually pretty good at sensing "something is off".... Last night my nose would not stop running and had to blow my nose a ton.  Felt fine otherwise.  I feel 100% fine now.... Should I have got a test?  I didn't and probably won't but now I wonder
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I've had my annual cold recently. It's been a little worse than normal, but same type of stuff. Also recently my wife and both sons had cold symptoms. Since they go to school or go to work, they all tested and were all negative. Since they were all negative and I work from home, I haven't tested.

 
AAABatteries said:
Have you been exposed that you are aware of?  I know you’ve mentioned you will be doing family stuff coming up - will you be around any elderly and/or immunocompromised folks?  Those are my determining factors on when I would or wouldn’t get tested but I think everybody has different ones for themselves.
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That was yesterday before the symptoms. So no .. everyone around us was boostered

 
Flying MUC to SFO tomorrow.  My better half, son, and I all tested negative.  Brining back 40 home tests for my folks.  Hoping everything stays relatively open while we are there.

 
belljr said:
So I'm probably a bad person. As I said before, I have allergies bad and often, so congestion/slight cough/headache are common in my life.  

I'm actually pretty good at sensing "something is off".... Last night my nose would not stop running and had to blow my nose a ton.  Felt fine otherwise.  I feel 100% fine now.... Should I have got a test?  I didn't and probably won't but now I wonder
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I don't think there's any one right answer, but one approach would be to apply the "multiple factor" test:

  1. Do you have symptoms?
  2. Have you recently been somewhere where you might have been exposed?
  3. Are you currently around, or planning to be around, someone who's vulnerable?
Maybe you need to have two of three. Maybe it's all three. Maybe there's a fourth question here that I'm missing. Point is, it's a good way to balance risks with the inconvenience of turning your life upside down every time you get nervous.

For example, right now I have one symptom (sore throat), don't think I've been exposed to anyone recently, and with my family out of town, don't really have to be around anyone else. So I got tested and am hunkering down until I get my results back. But tweak one or two of those factors and maybe I handle the situation differently.

 
Add me to the list of people who's XMas plans changed. My father's wife tested positive and we were going there. My father isnt boosted but did get COVID during the summer and so far tested negative. Still planning on doing something both XMas Eve and Xmas day but the rosters are dwindling :lmao:

 
So there's some actual apples-to-apples data now that suggests that Omicron might really be less dangerous than other strains.  Haven't seen the study yet and it's small numbers, but it sounds promising.

Also, this is good news...

President Biden@POTU

We received good news today in our fight against COVID-19. The FDA granted emergency use authorization of the Pfizer antiviral pill, a promising new treatment option that will significantly reduce hospitalization and death as we battle the more transmissible Omicron variant.
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
So there's some actual apples-to-apples data now that suggests that Omicron might really be less dangerous than other strains.  Haven't seen the study yet and it's small numbers, but it sounds promising.

Also, this is good news...
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It will be interesting to see the reaction of people who refuse to be vaccinated because they claim that there are not adequate studies of long-term risks.   Is a therapeutic drug that was rushed to market somehow better?

 
Here are the details (my bolds).  The red part is what I think is new in the reporting I've seen:

The study out of Scotland included data on 23,840 Omicron cases and 126,511 Delta cases, from November 1 to December 19. The researchers — from the University of Edinburgh, University of Strathclyde and Public Health Scotland — took a close look at the health outcomes among those Omicron infections compared with Delta infections. There were 15 hospital admissions among those with Omicron infections and 856 hospital admissions among Delta.

“Although small in number, the study is good news. The two thirds reduction in hospitalisation of double vaccinated young people compared to Delta indicates that Omicron will be milder for more people,” James Naismith, director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute and professor of structural biology at the University of Oxford, who was not involved in either study, said in a written statement distributed by the UK-based Science Media Centre on Wednesday.

“The study is rigorous but it is early (thus might change a bit with more data and more studies will report in the weeks ahead). It should be noted that some South African scientists have been saying Omicron was milder for some time,” Naismith said. “Although two thirds reduction is significant, Omicron can cause severe illness in the doubly vaccinated. Thus, if Omicron continues to double every few days, it could generate many more hospitalisations than Delta from the double vaccinated population.”

The researchers found that the proportion of Omicron cases that were likely reinfections in people who have had Covid-19 before was more than 10 times that of Delta. The data also showed that having received a third dose of vaccine, or booster shot, was associated with a 57% reduction in the risk of symptomatic Omicron infection when compared with being at least 25 weeks out from completing a second dose.

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The other paper involved data on 161,328 Covid-19 cases reported nationally in South Africa between October 1 and December 6. The researchers — from the National Institute for Communicable Diseases, University of the Witwatersrand and the University of Cape Town — found that among people with Omicron infection, 2.5% were admitted to the hospital during that time compared with 12.8% of people with Delta infection.
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Good thread.  Mostly agrees with other stuff posted today, but brings it into one place.

ETA:  Omicron is everywhere in our area now.  Kid across the street.  My sister's entire fam of four.  Seems like we're basically NYC +7-10 days.  Assume Christmas travel will have it everywhere else in the next couple weeks.

 
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belljr said:
So I'm probably a bad person. As I said before, I have allergies bad and often, so congestion/slight cough/headache are common in my life.  

I'm actually pretty good at sensing "something is off".... Last night my nose would not stop running and had to blow my nose a ton.  Felt fine otherwise.  I feel 100% fine now.... Should I have got a test?  I didn't and probably won't but now I wonder
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This is me every single morning and at about 6 pm when my allergy meds wear off. Get lots of stares.

On a positive note the nervous cough that I have had since I was 8 is long gone since I had to be so hyperaware of it anytime out in public in covid times

 
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jobarules said:
Add me to the list of people who's XMas plans changed. My father's wife tested positive and we were going there. My father isnt boosted but did get COVID during the summer and so far tested negative. Still planning on doing something both XMas Eve and Xmas day but the rosters are dwindling :lmao:
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Call somebody up from the practice squad, there’s got to be somebody on the street around where you live that would like a hot meal  :D

 
Fauci says if you have a single unvaccinated family member you should tell them they cant come to your otherwise fully vaccinated Christmas party. 

Anyone want to take a shot at explaining that logic?  

 
AAABatteries said:
If you had told me three years ago that the number of times I went in to a liquor store from 2020-2021 was 100x greater than the number of times I went in to the office to work I would assume I was divorced, homeless, about to die or a combination of those.  But nope, everything is fantastic!
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What blows my mind is being able to walk into a bank or liquor store with a mask.

 
Wondering is people are cancelling travel plans. Just showed up at the airport and was through security in 2 minutes. Nuts, but I’m happy. Maybe I won’t catch COVID on this trip. 

 
tonydead said:
I'm following.   But assuming he wants/willing to go to a party, isnt he safer being at a fully vaxxed party?  
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He's safer not being around anyone, unless he knows they've been cautious and that they're negative ahead of time. Other than that, it's a crapshoot and he's the one with the biggest risk. 

The reason for that is that we know vaxxed can still spread, albeit for a shorter timeframe and at a lesser rate (see links upthread today/yesterday), so being around vaxxed people is LESS of a risk, but still a risk, and he is the most vulnerable one at the party. 

 
cap'n grunge said:
Please do better research before shouting your conclusions/accusations at others. Medical experts are universally NOT saying you won't get Covid if vaxxed, but rather your chances of getting a bad outcome are greatly reduced.
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Universally huh? Both fauci and walensky said if you take the juice, you won't get infected, you wont get sick. That's the head of the CDC and the Chief Medical Advisor. 

You can hear them say it here: https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1473404932338470915

Fauci at 46 second mark. Walensky at 20 second mark. These 2 idiots are at the top and they have been wrong every step of the way.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
I'll take the annoyance of 10 canceled plans over the potential lifelong guilt of knowing I infected someone close to me, especially someone vulnerable.

(Also, if I ever exposed my immunocompromised, Covid-widowed mother-in-law, my wife would kill me far more ruthlessly than any Covid variant).
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All day.

I can live with handling the consequences of my dumb decisions, if they affect me.

I absolutely cannot live with knowing I gave my mom Covid, and having it kill her. 

 
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It is hard to believe how fast this is spreading, luckily mild so far.  NYC is pretty vaccinated though.  The real indicator is coming soon though, if its still pretty mild after roaring through more vulnerable populations, that will be a good thing.

 
massraider said:
All day.

I can live with handling the consequences of my dumb decisions, if they affect me.

I absolutely cannot live with knowing I gave my mom Covid, and having it kill her. 
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Not gonna tell anyone to veer from this, but if mom doesn't get it from me then she's gonna get it from someone else. There's no dodging this monster. It's everywhere. Get boosted, hope my journey is either mild or that I'm blissfully unaware I ever had it, same for those close to me, and say prayers for those in healthcare dealing with the unvaxxed. I don't know what to expect over our week or so of christmas, but while I won't hold it against anyone that abstains due to being uncomfortable I am hoping for as normal of a holiday as possible. 

 
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