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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (25 Viewers)

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Traveling to Nicaragua / Costa Rica mid February till late March.

Boosted 100mcg Moderna Mid August. Thus far all vaccinations have been tolerated very well. 

Risk: Trip will be months 6 and 7 post booster. 

Considering re-boost in early Feb 50mcg Moderna to reduce any risk of hospitalization / complications while abroad.

Downside is, Omicron specific boost is due in March.... which would then get pushed back to Aug-Sept at the least. 

 
Traveling to Nicaragua / Costa Rica mid February till late March.

Boosted 100mcg Moderna Mid August. Thus far all vaccinations have been tolerated very well. 

Risk: Trip will be months 6 and 7 post booster. 

Considering re-boost in early Feb 50mcg Moderna to reduce any risk of hospitalization / complications while abroad.

Downside is, Omicron specific boost is due in March.... which would then get pushed back to Aug-Sept at the least. 
Hmm whats the case/hospitalizations look like down there?  Also im very jealous.  Enjoy.

 
That's not exactly what he said 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer-ceo-says-two-covid-vaccine-doses-arent-enough-for-omicron.html

The two doses, they're not enough for omicron," Bourla said. "The third dose of the current vaccine is providing quite good protection against deaths, and decent protection against hospitalizations."

Bourla said omicron is a more difficult target than previous variants. Omicron, which has dozens of mutations, can evade some of the protection provided by Pfizer's original two shots.

"We have seen with a second dose very clearly that the first thing that we lost was the protection against infections," Bourla said. "But then two months later, what used to be very strong in hospitalization also went down. And I think this is what everybody's worried about."

Real-world data from the United Kingdom has found that two vaccine doses are 52% effective at preventing hospitalization 25 weeks after receiving the second shot, according to data from the U.K. Health Security Agency.

They announced an Omnicron specific booster will be ready by march


The data showed a booster was necessary even before Omicron.  It is a joke that we are still calling anyone fully vaccinated with only two shots.

We are all going to need boosters every 5-18 months for a while.  A coronavirus is a different species than other viruses and will constantly mutate and circulate.  Eventually we have enough of a head-start within our bodies to fight it off through exposure -- and antibody production via vaccine versus infection way less likely to cause a bad outcome.

The vaccine formula will be updated as needed and it sounds like shot #4 will be the first one with some new mRNA coding added to the mix.  Bring it on.

 


Good News that Doesn't surprise me... :thumbup:

It's likely a result of mitigation efforts (masking, school closures, people staying home) pumping the brakes.  That will likely mean a more graduated decline with possible other spikes... vs a true bell curve (or bell spike, as is the case with Omicron). This has been seen elsewhere. 

 
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75% of the dead had 4+ comorbidities, according to the CDC director. We knew this, they knew this, now you all know it. In other words, Like I told ya, you did not need the jab juice. You were fooled.
75% of VACCINATED dead had multiple comorbities. Which is a small minority of deaths after vaccines became available. This is patenntly untrue of the unvaccinated. 

Misinformation. This stuff will get people killed.  

 
Probably -- will see how winter weather goes.  I suspect to still have high, but not growing number in NYC and LA (who has 60,000 infected students and staff right now) for a month or so while other major NE metros also peak in the next few weeks.  But as a country, this will last until spring and precipitously drop off when people are getting shot #3 and #4 coinciding with better weather. 

Then maybe this really does become endemic going forward -- so long as people keep their vaccine updated -- just like one does for flu, tetanus, etc.

 
Doesn't surprise me... likely a result of mitigation efforts (masking, school closures, people staying home).  That will likely mean a more graduated decline with possible other spikes... vs a true bell curve (or bell spike, as is the case with Omicron). This has been seen elsewhere. 
I wonder how much of the record # of cases were so many people getting tested to visit relatives for the holidays that had no symptoms and wouldn't normally have gotten tested. Those same types people aren't getting tested now.

Also, schools didn't close here. Maybe an individual school here or there.

 
Probably -- will see how winter weather goes.  I suspect to still have high, but not growing number in NYC and LA (who has 60,000 infected students and staff right now) for a month or so while other major NE metros also peak in the next few weeks.  But as a country, this will last until spring and precipitously drop off when people are getting shot #3 and #4 coinciding with better weather. 

Then maybe this really does become endemic going forward -- so long as people keep their vaccine updated -- just like one does for flu, tetanus, etc.
Only 50% of the population gets a flu shot.

 
I have no idea if these videos are legit, but if they are, would imprisoning millions of positive and close contacted people be China just being China, or do they really know something the rest of the world doesn't about all this? Truly dystopian. 

On a side note, how are the Winter Olympics going to happen in a country that imprisons sick people?

https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1480157037681995779


That or they just are really trying for zero covid period.  Which seems impossible.

 
I think it is closer to 70%, but we need to do better with both.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-get-flu-shots-vaccine-cdc/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-Healthcare&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqYaptfSp9QIVl_3jBx0gjAzlEAAYASAAEgI2LPD_BwE

During the 2019-2020 flu season, 51.8% of people ages six months and older got a flu vaccine, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

That’s the highest level since the 2009-2010 flu season, but well below the 70% target that the Department of Health and Human Services set in 2010 for the entire population.

 
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Examination of the number of comorbid conditions by cancer type indicated that more than 85 percent of cancer patients and 84 percent of non-cancer respondents reported at least one comorbid condition, and the majority of patients (both those with and without cancer) in the sample reported more than two
Weird that we worry about cancer so much when it doesn't really kill very many people.

 
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I have no idea if these videos are legit, but if they are, would imprisoning millions of positive and close contacted people be China just being China, or do they really know something the rest of the world doesn't about all this? Truly dystopian. 

On a side note, how are the Winter Olympics going to happen in a country that imprisons sick people?

https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1480157037681995779


If you're looking for a GREAT Instagram follow of an American who's currently trapped in Xi'an province...

Southwest_Hooey is  doing daily live streams documenting his issues getting food, being locked down, showing the authoritarian testing structure (everyone tested every other day at full biohazard stations).... sharing videos of Covid "Camps" for people who test postive, which are sparcely furnished "apartments" at some city in the middle of nowhere. 

Example of some lockdown videos

He's been working in China since the start of this and has been a great follow all along, but now it's getting surreal since he's inside the full on lockdown. 

 
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Almost half – 46% in 2017 – of all people who die from cancer are 70 or older. Another 41 percent are between 50 and 69 years old – so that 87% of all cancer victims are older than 50 years. 
And even if cancer does kill, it's mostly only old people.  So NBD I guess.

 
FWIW, now the the holiday reporting snafus are behind us, daily COVID deaths are up almost 50% since pre-Thanksgiving.  10,000+ Americans a week are dying from COVID.

And we're definitely seeing an uptick consistent with an eventual 4th major peak in places where there are low vax rates.  How that nets out on a US-wide basis I don't know, but it's worth watching for the next couple weeks.  March can't come soon enough.

 
The data showed a booster was necessary even before Omicron.  It is a joke that we are still calling anyone fully vaccinated with only two shots.

We are all going to need boosters every 5-18 months for a while.  A coronavirus is a different species than other viruses and will constantly mutate and circulate.  Eventually we have enough of a head-start within our bodies to fight it off through exposure -- and antibody production via vaccine versus infection way less likely to cause a bad outcome.

The vaccine formula will be updated as needed and it sounds like shot #4 will be the first one with some new mRNA coding added to the mix.  Bring it on.
Boy oh boy, they really knew what they were doing at that lab in China when they created this thing ,they really screwed the pooch here ....awful ,just awful and sad

 
Welp, we made it one week. School sent an email today. 15% plus of our student population is out, plus many teachers, for which they can't get subs. "Optional" virtual school thru next Tuesday. 
Something similar happened at my son's school in August as Delta was ramping up. I am fairly shocked that it hasn't happened again for Omicron yet ... but I think they are making decisions differently now than they would normally because of losing so much time to Hurricane Ida.

 
As expected Omicron is closing in and hitting our small pharmacy staff. The most serious being the in-laws of our newest hire who are in the hospital with COVID pneumonia in Minnesota. Unvaccinated and wanted nothing to do with the hospital but oxygen levels got so bad she had no choice. 3 days later and she’s still in an ER bed. Her husband is at home with no energy and probably worse off than he will admit. They are in their 80s and not showing improvements after a couple weeks. Apparently their Christmas gathering infected the entire unvaccinated side of the family.

On the less serious side my co-worker’s husband tested positive yesterday. She’s not showing symptoms but is staying home to get tested. I may have to drop off one because she’s out and every place is sold out. The virus was brought into their house by her mother-in-law after returning from a cruise. I worked with her yesterday and I do have some congestion, sore throat and fatigue but being an overworked, insomniac who snores makes me feel that way normally.

My other co-worker just got over a stomach bug but lives with her sister who is a grade school teacher and her young kids. Between the rapid spread in schools and infection from the cruise, it’ll be hard to escape this wave.
 

Everyone involved outside of the youngest kids are vaxxed and boosted, so I’m not terribly worried about myself or anyone else. There’s a couple people who could have it rough but unlikely to be too high of risk. We do have a trip planned to see our in-laws at the end of the month with some high risk people in the family. If it’s going going to happen, I’d prefer sooner rather than later to avoid disrupting the trip that my wife really needs.

 
75% of VACCINATED dead had multiple comorbities. Which is a small minority of deaths after vaccines became available. This is patenntly untrue of the unvaccinated. 

Misinformation. This stuff will get people killed.  


If I'm reading this correctly then this is even more good news for the vaccines then, right?  Basically, if you are vaccinated and boosted you have a very low chance of death and even much lower if you don't have any co-morbidities - is this correct?

ETA - I know we already knew this or thought we did but this is just another data point making that case.

 
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If I'm reading this correctly then this is even more good news for the vaccines then, right?  Basically, if you are vaccinated and boosted you have a very low chance of death and even much lower if you don't have any co-morbidities - is this correct?

ETA - I know we already knew this or thought we did but this is just another data point making that case.
Yes. And its being desceptively framed as an argument against vaccines. 

 
As expected Omicron is closing in and hitting our small pharmacy staff. The most serious being the in-laws of our newest hire who are in the hospital with COVID pneumonia in Minnesota. Unvaccinated and wanted nothing to do with the hospital but oxygen levels got so bad she had no choice. 3 days later and she’s still in an ER bed. Her husband is at home with no energy and probably worse off than he will admit. They are in their 80s and not showing improvements after a couple weeks. Apparently their Christmas gathering infected the entire unvaccinated side of the family.


80+ and shunning vaccines while having a large family gathering in the midst of an Omicron outbreak. 

That's like playing Russian Roulette with 3 bullets in the revolver... that's a special kind of dumb, there. Jesus. 

Hopefully they pull through without any lasting effects (highly unlikely)... but ugh. 

 
Welp, we made it one week. School sent an email today. 15% plus of our student population is out, plus many teachers, for which they can't get subs. "Optional" virtual school thru next Tuesday. 


I got an email this morning offering remote learning into the classroom for those in grades 3-12 who are out with COVID until January 28.  

I don't get it.  If this is allowed, why isn't it an option for k-2 and why can I not keep my kid home voluntarily for this option as well???

 
80+ and shunning vaccines while having a large family gathering in the midst of an Omicron outbreak. 

That's like playing Russian Roulette with 3 bullets in the revolver... that's a special kind of dumb, there. Jesus. 

Hopefully they pull through without any lasting effects (highly unlikely)... but ugh. 
Even before the hospitalization, he had a trip planned in a couple that he said might be to ‘get their affairs in order’. His wife flew up there when her mom went to the hospital and they don’t have high expectations.

 
One side story to all of this is we signed my 4 year old up for a virtual pre-school this year, as his church school we signed him up for was anti-mask, pro-horse paste (“maybe they’ll approve ivermectin for this age group soon” one of the admin staff said to me as I withdrew him) — he has learned sooooooooooo much in these one on one classes with a virtual teacher. They email us the daily work, we print it out, and they go through it all together. 
 

No way he would have learned this much in a 15 kid class. He was doing addition the other day! I do wish he was around kids more but he gets a lot of play time with other friends.  

 
Not sure I get the anti-vaxxers who are spiking the football recently? The current vaccines, that were created for a completely different strain of the virus, aren't stopping infection of a strain that popped up out of nowhere a couple of months ago, but are miraculously great at keeping one out of the hospital and alive? Can't even imagine where we'd be now without them.

On a side note, my boosted dad and stepmother are completely over their infections. Took about a week. No hospitalizations. Sore throat was the worst symptom my dad experienced, stepmother was really congested. Amazed my diabetic, overweight, 80 something dad came out ok.

 
If I'm reading this correctly then this is even more good news for the vaccines then, right?  Basically, if you are vaccinated and boosted you have a very low chance of death and even much lower if you don't have any co-morbidities - is this correct?

ETA - I know we already knew this or thought we did but this is just another data point making that case.
Yes, that was my takeaway too before I realized that Walensky's clip was being dishonestly circulated as an anti-vax talking point.  Then my takeaway changed to "I need to permanently stop listening to certain posters in this forum."

 
On a side note, my BOOSTED dad and stepmother are completely over their infections. Took about a week. No hospitalizations. Sore throat was the worst symptom my dad experienced, stepmother was really congested. Amazed my diabetic, overweight, 80 something dad came out ok.
Goes to show you, doesn't it? This IS the vaccines working, and working well.

 
Goes to show you, doesn't it? This IS the vaccines working, and working well.
Absolutely. My brother and his wife had to go to the hospital several times when they got infected pre vaccine for oxygen. My brother can’t believe how different our dad’s experience was compared to his. Night and day.

 
https://nypost.com/2022/01/11/cdc-study-highlights-covids-low-risk-to-the-vaccinated/

If you’re still not convinced about getting vaccinated, or still believe that we need restrictive mandates to fight COVID, then you should take a look at the latest study by the CDC, highlighted by director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.

The agency looked at 1,228,664 people who were vaccinated between December 2020 and October 2021 …

Of those, 2,256 developed COVID, or 0.1%

Of those, 189 had a serious outcome, or 0.01%

Of those, 36 died, or 0.0029%

Roughly 28 of those who died had four or more comorbidities, including immunosuppression, diabetes, and chronic kidney, cardiac, pulmonary, neurologic and/or liver disease.

In short, if you’re vaccinated, the risk of death, or even hospitalization, from COVID is infinitesimally small. Like being-struck-by-lightning-in-your-lifetime small.

Headlines blared that there were a record 145,982 people in hospitals nationwide on Tuesday with COVID-19. It is likely that 50% of them were admitted because of an underlying condition rather than COVID primarily. But what is more important to note is that the vast, vast majority of those people are unvaccinated. We think they were foolish, but they made that choice, they took that risk.

The numbers do not reflect a national crisis. It represents the decisions of a minority of Americans.

So it is ridiculous to hobble society and hurt the majority of people who are vaccinated, most of whom face even smaller risks because of age and overall health. The unconscionable closing of the Chicago public schools wasn’t based on science. Neither are the ridiculous rules about wearing a mask for that 30-second walk to a restaurant table, where you promptly take it off. It is all farce.

The CDC has made plenty of mistakes of late, particularly in its messaging. But kudos to Walensky for at least trying to push back against the panic being offered by far too many politicians and members of the media.

When can the rest of us have our lives back?
This is before Omicron but still appropriate.

 
My vaccinated 15 year old had Covid 2 months ago. Should I get her a booster now, or wait? I seem to remember some 90 day rule but might be misremembering 

 
My vaccinated 15 year old had Covid 2 months ago. Should I get her a booster now, or wait? I seem to remember some 90 day rule but might be misremembering 
90 days is for those who receive the monoclonal antibody treatment.

I do not believe there is an official timeline for post-infection, most places say after symptoms go away, some people say wait 30 days. If it's been 2 months, he should be gtg.

 
Welp, we made it one week. School sent an email today. 15% plus of our student population is out, plus many teachers, for which they can't get subs. "Optional" virtual school thru next Tuesday. 
Unpack the "optional" part of education?  :D

My daughter teaches 3rd grade in SC. The school system has tech people teaching school now because they've run out of subs and all the admin are already teaching. They won't go virtual because our esteemed governor said he'd pull funding unless it was truly dire circumstances. They are too scared to make that call so they are just plowing ahead. I don't think they make it another week before they have no choice but to shut it down.

 
Again with the discrepancy in case totals between Worldometer and Johns Hopkins

Monday 1/10: US New cases

Worldometer  - 673,837

Johns Hopkins - 1,481,375

wtf?

 
Unpack the "optional" part of education?  :D

My daughter teaches 3rd grade in SC. The school system has tech people teaching school now because they've run out of subs and all the admin are already teaching. They won't go virtual because our esteemed governor said he'd pull funding unless it was truly dire circumstances. They are too scared to make that call so they are just plowing ahead. I don't think they make it another week before they have no choice but to shut it down.
"optional" meaning parents can "choose" (their formatting, for effect) whether to send their kids to school for in-person learning or keep them at home for virtual school thru next Monday, with it being a holiday

After just 5 days of classes, we are approaching 1/5 of the school being out, including teacher (and I assume some staff), but I guess we, too, plan on just plowing through.  Also, basketball and other sports will continue as scheduled, practices and games (sans mitigation efforts).  I already know one school here locally had to cancel tonight's game because they don't have enough players. 

Fun times. 

 
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