*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (11 Viewers)

[the rover]

jag offs on twitter blaming the Hamlin injury on vaccines. They should be banned for life.

 

[jobarules]

jag offs on twitter blaming the Hamlin injury on vaccines. They should be banned for life.

I was honestly shocked a certain someone didn't already post that here

 

[fatness]

jag offs on twitter blaming the Hamlin injury on vaccines. They should be banned for life.

I was honestly shocked a certain someone didn't already post that here

Same here, but he's been in the MNF thread and has seen the direct hit on the heart and has been nothing but empathetic there. So perhaps he won't use Hamlin as one of his dead athlete props in this thread. There are ghouls all over the internet doing just that.

 

[mrip541]

I finally got the rona in October. Ran 5 miles in the morning and 3 days later I was out of breath walking up the stairs. Took a solid month to fully feel like myself again. Went out to eat and sat behind a guy who kept coughing. Figured there's no way he'd be out here like that without testing himself. Considered asking him about it but didn't. Mistakes were made. Thanks, guy.

 

[AAABatteries]

If wastewater results are at an all time high, but reported numbers are down it just means either people are knowingly not reporting COVID or don't know they have covid, but do.

Which scenario do you do think is more likely?

You say "knowingly" not reporting COVID like people are going out of their way to hide it or something.

In years past, far more people went to testing sites or doctors offices to be tested for covid, and those results were all recorded. Now far more people test at home, and the vast majority do not report the results (either way).

I feel a little silly asking this but are we supposed to report Covid to someone? My MIL just tested positive a couple days ago with an at-home test but not sure she reported it to anyone.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

If wastewater results are at an all time high, but reported numbers are down it just means either people are knowingly not reporting COVID or don't know they have covid, but do.

Which scenario do you do think is more likely?

You say "knowingly" not reporting COVID like people are going out of their way to hide it or something.

In years past, far more people went to testing sites or doctors offices to be tested for covid, and those results were all recorded. Now far more people test at home, and the vast majority do not report the results (either way).

I feel a little silly asking this but are we supposed to report Covid to someone? My MIL just tested positive a couple days ago with an at-home test but not sure she reported it to anyone.

MakeMyTestCount: Report COVID-19 home test results safely and privately.

Report COVID-19 home test results safely and privately.

makemytestcount.com

 

[The Z Machine]

If wastewater results are at an all time high, but reported numbers are down it just means either people are knowingly not reporting COVID or don't know they have covid, but do.

Which scenario do you do think is more likely?

You say "knowingly" not reporting COVID like people are going out of their way to hide it or something.

In years past, far more people went to testing sites or doctors offices to be tested for covid, and those results were all recorded. Now far more people test at home, and the vast majority do not report the results (either way).

I feel a little silly asking this but are we supposed to report Covid to someone? My MIL just tested positive a couple days ago with an at-home test but not sure she reported it to anyone.

You should have her call the local public health dept. Could be city, county or state. If you don't know which one to call, start small and go up from there.

 

[belljr]

If wastewater results are at an all time high, but reported numbers are down it just means either people are knowingly not reporting COVID or don't know they have covid, but do.

Which scenario do you do think is more likely?

You say "knowingly" not reporting COVID like people are going out of their way to hide it or something.

In years past, far more people went to testing sites or doctors offices to be tested for covid, and those results were all recorded. Now far more people test at home, and the vast majority do not report the results (either way).

I feel a little silly asking this but are we supposed to report Covid to someone? My MIL just tested positive a couple days ago with an at-home test but not sure she reported it to anyone.

To the point above - maybe? I know many that haven't. Test positive - stay home has been the approach

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

If wastewater results are at an all time high, but reported numbers are down it just means either people are knowingly not reporting COVID or don't know they have covid, but do.

Which scenario do you do think is more likely?

You say "knowingly" not reporting COVID like people are going out of their way to hide it or something.

In years past, far more people went to testing sites or doctors offices to be tested for covid, and those results were all recorded. Now far more people test at home, and the vast majority do not report the results (either way).

I feel a little silly asking this but are we supposed to report Covid to someone? My MIL just tested positive a couple days ago with an at-home test but not sure she reported it to anyone.

You should have her call the local public health dept. Could be city, county or state. If you don't know which one to call, start small and go up from there.

This prompted me to go check our state health department website to see what they showed there. Basically nothing about self testing. It seems to be the same guidance issued in early 2021.

 

[Lehigh98]

Travelling to the UK in a couple weeks so going to get the Moderna booster today.
Original (Pfizer) doses on 3/6/21 and 3/27/21 and then boosted (Pfizer) on 11/3/21.
Also had the virus shortly after that in late December 2021.
Already got my flu shot a few months ago.

 

[top dog]

If wastewater results are at an all time high, but reported numbers are down it just means either people are knowingly not reporting COVID or don't know they have covid, but do.

Which scenario do you do think is more likely?

You say "knowingly" not reporting COVID like people are going out of their way to hide it or something.

In years past, far more people went to testing sites or doctors offices to be tested for covid, and those results were all recorded. Now far more people test at home, and the vast majority do not report the results (either way).

I feel a little silly asking this but are we supposed to report Covid to someone? My MIL just tested positive a couple days ago with an at-home test but not sure she reported it to anyone.

You should have her call the local public health dept. Could be city, county or state. If you don't know which one to call, start small and go up from there.

This prompted me to go check our state health department website to see what they showed there. Basically nothing about self testing. It seems to be the same guidance issued in early 2021.

And this is why I don't believe any of our numbers anymore. I'd be willing to bet a large majority of folks testing positive at home reported to anyone. I know I didn't think of it. I asked the other folks here at work if any of them reported it. Not one of them either.

 

[the moops]

And this is why I don't believe any of our numbers anymore. I'd be willing to bet a large majority of folks testing positive at home reported to anyone. I know I didn't think of it. I asked the other folks here at work if any of them reported it. Not one of them either.

This is why we should rely on wastewater data

 

[Doug B]

And this is why I don't believe any of our numbers anymore. I'd be willing to bet a large majority of folks testing positive at home reported to anyone. I know I didn't think of it. I asked the other folks here at work if any of them reported it. Not one of them either.

This is why we should rely on wastewater data

As imperfect and under-counted as confirmed case counts are ... they still track with wastewater data. As wastewater samples rise and fall, so do the 7-day averages of confirmed cases.

For that matter, hospitalizations and ICU admissions track with wastewater, as well.

Deaths (7 day avg) are the one that for a few months had not been tracking with the other stats. Deaths had remained largely stable between Labor Day and mid-December 2022. However, as of the week before Christmas 2022 they've poked above 400/day for the first time in over 2 months. As adjustments come in, the back half of December will show a steady rise in the 7-day death figures.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

To be clear, since I've posted several things about XBB (.1.5 specifically)...

• There's no evidence to this point, that it is a "more severe" variant (i.e. that it causes "worse" symptoms or severity than any of the other strains). Note: it does seem to have a higher ability to bind with ACE2 receptors which is not a great thing itself...can read more in the links below)
• Vaccines seem to still be doing their job of helping avoid severe infection and death, as well as helping reduce transmission, at least if recently boosted.

That said, why it's a cause for concern, IMHO, is the shear percentage of growth advantage over the other variants we've seen (a couple of good sources here and here). That coupled with: the almost complete lack of mitigation measures, waning immunity from both recent infections (see: people getting reinfected within a month or two) and low booster uptake, the lack of messaging to the general public that they might need to take any precautions at all. It all just seems like a good recipe for another huge surge of cases, which affects us all, as we have seen multiple times now since this started.

 

[Big League Chew]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

 

[LawFitz]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it’s Very Likely.

 

[top dog]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it’s Very Likely.

My dad died suddenly last February when his heart stopped. He was also vaccinated and boosted. I mean, he was also 86, had a prior heart condition and was battling lung cancer when he died, but he was vaccinated and it was suddenly. Besides being able to manipulate data to tell a story you want to tell another tactic is to repeat things over and over again. If it is repeated enough, then it becomes "truth" to some people. Much like razor blades in Halloween candy. Has it ever happened? Sure. But it didn't happen to uncle Jimmy's second cousin on his fathers side. Just because someone believes something doesn't make it true.

 

[jobarules]

Listen to this one

My wife has to test weekly for work (PCR). The week before Thanksgiving she tested positive but was completely asymptomatic. She tested negative each of the next 4 weeks. This past week when I had covid we figured she was safe but she did have a sinus infection all week. Well, she just tested positive again. Twice in 6 weeks. She is now the second person I know who has tested twice in under 2 months.

 

[culdeus]

Is there no moderation in this thread at all?

 

[culdeus]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it’s Very Likely.

My dad died suddenly last February when his heart stopped. He was also vaccinated and boosted. I mean, he was also 86, had a prior heart condition and was battling lung cancer when he died, but he was vaccinated and it was suddenly. Besides being able to manipulate data to tell a story you want to tell another tactic is to repeat things over and over again. If it is repeated enough, then it becomes "truth" to some people. Much like razor blades in Halloween candy. Has it ever happened? Sure. But it didn't happen to uncle Jimmy's second cousin on his fathers side. Just because someone believes something doesn't make it true.

Thing is the razor blade in candy thing never actually happened.

 

[AAABatteries]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

 

[The Z Machine]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

Maybe he's a Chinese national that wants to come to the US?

That's a dumb policy anyway from a public health standpoint.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Listen to this one

My wife has to test weekly for work (PCR). The week before Thanksgiving she tested positive but was completely asymptomatic. She tested negative each of the next 4 weeks. This past week when I had covid we figured she was safe but she did have a sinus infection all week. Well, she just tested positive again. Twice in 6 weeks. She is now the second person I know who has tested twice in under 2 months.

I tested positive twice in October within 20 days.

 

[The Commish]

Knowing how Rasmussen does their polling and the slant that results from their approach, it's kinda shocking that less than 30% think vaccines are causing all these problems. I'd bet well north of 95% of those people uses social media for their "news" too. It's kinda refreshing to see that number low given the context.

 

[the moops]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

Yea, this is some solid cannonballing into the thread with no context provided

 

[Doug B]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

Was wondering the same.

I know there's been some things like "City of San Francisco recommends masking indoors again during the recent local surge" and "Yale University requires students to receive the bivalent booster". But if nationwide we're not back to spring-summer 2020 conditions and state-level mandates, I don't think we can really talk broadly or meaningfully of "restrictions".

 

[LawFitz]

Is there no moderation in this thread at all?

Moderation of what? I posted a Rasmussen poll. Just because you don't like the fact that half the people in that poll believe the vaxxes are doing serious harm to people doesn't mean you get to censor it. SMDH

 

[AAABatteries]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

Was wondering the same.

I know there's been some things like "City of San Francisco recommends masking indoors again during the recent local surge" and "Yale University requires students to receive the bivalent booster". But if nationwide we're not back to spring-summer 2020 conditions and state-level mandates, I don't think we can really talk broadly or meaningfully of "restrictions".

We've talked about it for almost 3 years now (which seems crazy now that I type it out) but everyone's experience has been very different. Where I am in a northern suburb of Atlanta, there was minimal impact and restrictions during 2020 and essentially nothing for the last 2 years. The biggest thing was the WFH change for a lot of companies but all of them are back open just with new WFH rules. The % of people that I see masking is low single digits - everything has been back to normal essentially for 2 years.

And that's why I asked BLC what he's seeing - I don't recall where he's located but I had seen a couple of the items like you mention which seem very isolated and I doubt will be expanded on and definitely not where I'm at.

 

[the moops]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it’s Very
Likely
.

Did you feel that 2 days was enough time after the football game to post this?

 

[LawFitz]

Here's actual information on the different antibodies....it's not an either/or in the body....not even close. This misinformation is getting tiresome.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798#:~:text=IgG4 antibodies among all spike,2 vaccination with adenoviral vectors.
If you don't want to read the whole article the most important part, specifically to refute what is said above would be this:

There goes that word again. And, in this case, WOW, talk about the pot calling out the kettle... From the Science article abstract for those who actually care about the truth...

Abstract​

RNA vaccines are efficient preventive measures to combat the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. High levels of neutralizing SARS-CoV-2-antibodies are an important component of vaccine-induced immunity. Shortly after the initial two mRNA vaccine doses, the IgG response mainly consists of the pro-inflammatory subclasses IgG1 and IgG3. Here, we report that several months after the second vaccination, SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies were increasingly composed of non-inflammatory IgG4, which were further boosted by a third mRNA vaccination and/or SARS-CoV-2 variant breakthrough infections. IgG4 antibodies among all spike-specific IgG antibodies rose on average from 0.04% shortly after the second vaccination to 19.27% late after the third vaccination. This induction of IgG4 antibodies was not observed after homologous or heterologous SARS-CoV-2 vaccination with adenoviral vectors. Single-cell sequencing and flow cytometry revealed substantial frequencies of IgG4-switched B cells within the spike-binding memory B-cell population (median 14.4%; interquartile range (IQR) 6.7–18.1%) compared to the overall memory B-cell repertoire (median 1.3%; IQR 0.9–2.2%) after three immunizations. Importantly, this class switch was associated with a reduced capacity of the spike-specific antibodies to mediate antibody-dependent cellular phagocytosis and complement deposition. Since Fc-mediated effector functions are critical for antiviral immunity, these findings may have consequences for the choice and timing of vaccination regimens using mRNA vaccines, including future booster immunizations against SARS-CoV-2.

igG3 down, igG4 up after mRNA shots. igG3 eats viral cells. igG4 makes you tolerate them. Think virus vs. pollen. Viruses replicate, so we don't want to tolerate them - thus the body normally uses igG3 to destroy/remove viruses. Pollen doesn't replicate. So the body normally uses igG4 to allow us to tolerate pollen.

IF this study proves correct, mRNA vaxxes are causing immune systems to try to fight off Covid with igG4 instead of igG3. The working theory is that this causes the virus to stay in the body but with less severe symptoms in the near-term (think lower grade fever) at the expense of more severe symptoms in the long-term (think cardiac issues, cancers, etc.). It's a working theory, but it does jive as a possible explanation for the SADS epidemic. The conversation is early, so we'll have to see where it eventually goes, but these conversations need to happen. Those who shout and pout and demand you cover your ears for the sake of their egos can do so all they want, while WE keep talking through potential causes and solutions.

Those of you who are experiencing rebound infections should read these posts and the underlying article, then go get yourselves tested for igG3 and 4 levels. If you are experiencing what this study is describing, you should know about it and seek help.

Here's another article explaining in layman's terms the recent studies showing the change in antibody types brought on by the mRNA vaxxes and what that change possibly portends.

☕️ THE WRONG ANTIBODY ☙ Monday, December 26, 2022 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠

What if the clinical trials measured the wrong antibody? And what if the jabs are changing people's immune response to produce the wrong antibodies? Then what? New studies.

www.coffeeandcovid.com

TL;DR - these new studies indicate that mRNA-vaxxed peeps produce igG4 antibodies in response to new Covid infections, rather than the more normal and much more effective igG3, the latter of which effectively drops to zero after enough boosters.

The difference is igG3 destroys the virus, whereas igG4 causes you to tolerate it and let it linger, which leads to other underlying conditions, some of which may be leading to SADS.

Scary stuff, I know, but it's important to be aware of and understand the latest studies and theories about all of this stuff, not just the 'truths' the would-be cancel-culturists here and elsewhere would prefer to allow you to see. Thankfully, both free speech and a healthy skepticism and questioning of their narratives seems to be re-emerging everywhere. Time and Space reveal.

 

[LawFitz]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it’s Very
Likely
.

Did you feel that 2 days was enough time after the football game to post this?

WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Scoresman]

Here's actual information on the different antibodies....it's not an either/or in the body....not even close. This misinformation is getting tiresome.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798#:~:text=IgG4 antibodies among all spike,2 vaccination with adenoviral vectors.
If you don't want to read the whole article the most important part, specifically to refute what is said above would be this:

There goes that word again. And, in this case, WOW, talk about the pot calling out the kettle... From the Science article abstract for those who actually care about the truth...

Abstract​

RNA vaccines are efficient preventive measures to combat the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. High levels of neutralizing SARS-CoV-2-antibodies are an important component of vaccine-induced immunity. Shortly after the initial two mRNA vaccine doses, the IgG response mainly consists of the pro-inflammatory subclasses IgG1 and IgG3. Here, we report that several months after the second vaccination, SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies were increasingly composed of non-inflammatory IgG4, which were further boosted by a third mRNA vaccination and/or SARS-CoV-2 variant breakthrough infections. IgG4 antibodies among all spike-specific IgG antibodies rose on average from 0.04% shortly after the second vaccination to 19.27% late after the third vaccination. This induction of IgG4 antibodies was not observed after homologous or heterologous SARS-CoV-2 vaccination with adenoviral vectors. Single-cell sequencing and flow cytometry revealed substantial frequencies of IgG4-switched B cells within the spike-binding memory B-cell population (median 14.4%; interquartile range (IQR) 6.7–18.1%) compared to the overall memory B-cell repertoire (median 1.3%; IQR 0.9–2.2%) after three immunizations. Importantly, this class switch was associated with a reduced capacity of the spike-specific antibodies to mediate antibody-dependent cellular phagocytosis and complement deposition. Since Fc-mediated effector functions are critical for antiviral immunity, these findings may have consequences for the choice and timing of vaccination regimens using mRNA vaccines, including future booster immunizations against SARS-CoV-2.

igG3 down, igG4 up after mRNA shots. igG3 eats viral cells. igG4 makes you tolerate them. Think virus vs. pollen. Viruses replicate, so we don't want to tolerate them - thus the body normally uses igG3 to destroy/remove viruses. Pollen doesn't replicate. So the body normally uses igG4 to allow us to tolerate pollen.

IF this study proves correct, mRNA vaxxes are causing immune systems to try to fight off Covid with igG4 instead of igG3. The working theory is that this causes the virus to stay in the body but with less severe symptoms in the near-term (think lower grade fever) at the expense of more severe symptoms in the long-term (think cardiac issues, cancers, etc.). It's a working theory, but it does jive as a possible explanation for the SADS epidemic. The conversation is early, so we'll have to see where it eventually goes, but these conversations need to happen. Those who shout and pout and demand you cover your ears for the sake of their egos can do so all they want, while WE keep talking through potential causes and solutions.

Those of you who are experiencing rebound infections should read these posts and the underlying article, then go get yourselves tested for igG3 and 4 levels. If you are experiencing what this study is describing, you should know about it and seek help.

Here's another article explaining in layman's terms the recent studies showing the change in antibody types brought on by the mRNA vaxxes and what that change possibly portends.

☕️ THE WRONG ANTIBODY ☙ Monday, December 26, 2022 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠

What if the clinical trials measured the wrong antibody? And what if the jabs are changing people's immune response to produce the wrong antibodies? Then what? New studies.

www.coffeeandcovid.com

TL;DR - these new studies indicate that mRNA-vaxxed peeps produce igG4 antibodies in response to new Covid infections, rather than the more normal and much more effective igG3, the latter of which effectively drops to zero after enough boosters.

The difference is igG3 destroys the virus, whereas igG4 causes you to tolerate it and let it linger, which leads to other underlying conditions, some of which may be leading to SADS.

Scary stuff, I know, but it's important to be aware of and understand the latest studies and theories about all of this stuff, not just the 'truths' the would-be cancel-culturists here and elsewhere would prefer to allow you to see. Thankfully, both free speech and a healthy skepticism and questioning of their narratives seems to be re-emerging everywhere. Time and Space reveal.

I have a theory that getting tested for IG3 and 4 is causing an increase in sudden deaths. Let me go find a YouTube science video that proves it....

 

[culdeus]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

Was wondering the same.

I know there's been some things like "City of San Francisco recommends masking indoors again during the recent local surge" and "Yale University requires students to receive the bivalent booster". But if nationwide we're not back to spring-summer 2020 conditions and state-level mandates, I don't think we can really talk broadly or meaningfully of "restrictions".

We've talked about it for almost 3 years now (which seems crazy now that I type it out) but everyone's experience has been very different. Where I am in a northern suburb of Atlanta, there was minimal impact and restrictions during 2020 and essentially nothing for the last 2 years. The biggest thing was the WFH change for a lot of companies but all of them are back open just with new WFH rules. The % of people that I see masking is low single digits - everything has been back to normal essentially for 2 years.

And that's why I asked BLC what he's seeing - I don't recall where he's located but I had seen a couple of the items like you mention which seem very isolated and I doubt will be expanded on and definitely not where I'm at.

Has there been any meaningful restriction imposed since roughly April/May 2021? Everything, everywhere, in the US has been removing restrictions since the first shots. This goes for EU and most of the world and even China pulled back.

I'd argue there won't be a single restriction added for Covid ever again, in any state for any reason. There might be an odd intl. travel restriction imposed, but those are harmless.

 

[LawFitz]

I have a theory that getting tested for IG3 and 4 is causing an increase in sudden deaths.

Attack away, bro, if it puts your tingling anxieties at ease.

 

[The Commish]

Is there no moderation in this thread at all?

Moderation of what? I posted a Rasmussen poll. Just because you don't like the fact that half the people in that poll believe the vaxxes are doing serious harm to people doesn't mean you get to censor it. SMDH

It's telling that you assume he's talking about you.

 

[the moops]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it’s Very
Likely
.

Did you feel that 2 days was enough time after the football game to post this?

WTF is wrong with you?

Nothing. Just curious if you would have posted this survey on Monday when it came out?

 

[AAABatteries]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

Was wondering the same.

I know there's been some things like "City of San Francisco recommends masking indoors again during the recent local surge" and "Yale University requires students to receive the bivalent booster". But if nationwide we're not back to spring-summer 2020 conditions and state-level mandates, I don't think we can really talk broadly or meaningfully of "restrictions".

We've talked about it for almost 3 years now (which seems crazy now that I type it out) but everyone's experience has been very different. Where I am in a northern suburb of Atlanta, there was minimal impact and restrictions during 2020 and essentially nothing for the last 2 years. The biggest thing was the WFH change for a lot of companies but all of them are back open just with new WFH rules. The % of people that I see masking is low single digits - everything has been back to normal essentially for 2 years.

And that's why I asked BLC what he's seeing - I don't recall where he's located but I had seen a couple of the items like you mention which seem very isolated and I doubt will be expanded on and definitely not where I'm at.

Has there been any meaningful restriction imposed since roughly April/May 2021? Everything, everywhere, in the US has been removing restrictions since the first shots. This goes for EU and most of the world and even China pulled back.

I'd argue there won't be a single restriction added for Covid ever again, in any state for any reason. There might be an odd intl. travel restriction imposed, but those are harmless.

Not many/any I'm aware of but I still think that restrictions could come back, and many would be ok with them - but given the right circumstances. I've always maintained that if it gets bad enough then the vast, vast majority would be fine with mandates, etc. Now that doesn't seem like it will ever happen with Covid but I'm no expert so maybe it could mutate into something much worse.

 

[Scoresman]

I'm not really in favor of mandates anymore. If they put another mask mandate in place, they'll never do it right and mandate N95s or KN95s. I'd rather avoid situations like getting on a flight and having it delayed due to a jackhole refusing to mask.

I would like to see corporations be forced to provide additional COVID sick time to employees so they don't feel forced to show up sick. Maybe offer government aid to smaller businesses who cant do this. People should be dissuaded from going to work sick, not praised for it. That culture needs to end now, but employers need to offer better sick pay benefits to help.

 

[lod001]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"?? The PSF, and now the FFA are the ONLY places I ever here that and I'm in the middle of freakin' Trump country...even the people here seem to understand the objective at this point.

I didnt get the shot. for me, it was "sold" as a vaccine. hence, preventing you from getting it. then they changed the definition of vaccine. makes me mad. I know what a flu shot does. it was never sold as a vaccine.

I am not anti shot for things like the ones when you are a kid. or even chicken pox or flu shot. But I feel like I was sold a false theme as far as "get the shot to stop the spread" that is a lie. and im not happy about it.

That's not the definition of vaccine.... never has been. That may be what you thought the definition was, but you're wrong

a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

As usual, you are completely wrong.
The definition BEFORE they changed it to fit the disastrous jab:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.
You read that buddy, produce IMMUNITY!!! Fortunately these pages can be archived before the CDC changes them.

Immunization Basics | CDC

Immunization: The Basics

web.archive.org

 

[The Commish]

Why do we keep setting the bar at "completely preventing me from getting covid"?? The PSF, and now the FFA are the ONLY places I ever here that and I'm in the middle of freakin' Trump country...even the people here seem to understand the objective at this point.

I didnt get the shot. for me, it was "sold" as a vaccine. hence, preventing you from getting it. then they changed the definition of vaccine. makes me mad. I know what a flu shot does. it was never sold as a vaccine.

I am not anti shot for things like the ones when you are a kid. or even chicken pox or flu shot. But I feel like I was sold a false theme as far as "get the shot to stop the spread" that is a lie. and im not happy about it.

That's not the definition of vaccine.... never has been. That may be what you thought the definition was, but you're wrong

a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

As usual, you are completely wrong.
The definition BEFORE they changed it to fit the disastrous jab:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.
You read that buddy, produce IMMUNITY!!! Fortunately these pages can be archived before the CDC changes them.

Immunization Basics | CDC

Immunization: The Basics

web.archive.org

The definition I provided you is the standard definition any normal person would use and does use. What you or the CDC says is the definition is completely irrelevant, although, even by the CDC definition, this is a vaccine as it does provide immunity...just not 100% , so appreciate that self-own there. Your next task is to look up what the word immunity means. This continued desire to try to change the definition of words to create a boogeyman was cute for a while. Now it's just tiresome.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Ahhhh here we got with restrictions again. Buckle up 2023

I’m not paying close attention - can you elaborate on the restrictions you are seeing?

Was wondering the same.

I know there's been some things like "City of San Francisco recommends masking indoors again during the recent local surge" and "Yale University requires students to receive the bivalent booster". But if nationwide we're not back to spring-summer 2020 conditions and state-level mandates, I don't think we can really talk broadly or meaningfully of "restrictions".

Philadelphia and Camden schools are requiring masks for the next two weeks.

 

[gianmarco]

Not specific to Covid, but still relevant here....

 

[Big League Chew]

2023 trailer lookin real good. glad I made it through the first season

 

[LawFitz]

Philadelphia and Camden schools are requiring masks for the next two weeks.

Two weeks, interesting.

 

[Galileo]

We've talked about it for almost 3 years now (which seems crazy now that I type it out) but everyone's experience has been very different. Where I am in a northern suburb of Atlanta, there was minimal impact and restrictions during 2020 and essentially nothing for the last 2 years. The biggest thing was the WFH change for a lot of companies but all of them are back open just with new WFH rules. The % of people that I see masking is low single digits - everything has been back to normal essentially for 2 years.

Just came back from there on a Tues-Sun. Felt the onset of symptoms on Sunday while driving back, and I tested positive on Monday. I've had COVID previously, did original 2 round vaccination and double boosters with the most recent one in November.

 

[Big League Chew]

XBB.1.5 'most infectious' variant yet, says World Health Organization

But there are no signs XBB.1.5 is more deadly than previously dominant variants, with hotspots in America yet to record an uptick in hospital admissions.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Philadelphia and Camden schools are requiring masks for the next two weeks.

Two weeks, interesting.

To lessen spread after the holidays.

 

[LawFitz]

Philadelphia and Camden schools are requiring masks for the next two weeks.

Two weeks, interesting.

To lessen spread after the holidays. flatten the curve.

FTFY

 

[-fish-]

ignore. Ignore. Ignore. Please stop ruining a useful thread.

 

[LawFitz]

Moderation of what? I posted a Rasmussen poll. Just because you don't like the fact that half the people in that poll believe

This isn't a thread about beliefs. It's a thread about solid information about COVID in the US.
Watch out for the toilet monster.

49% of the Rasmussen poll believes that the vaccines are likely to highly likely the cause of excess mortality. That is very solid and relevant info for this discussion. Please stop trying to stifle the conversation with your bully tactics.