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[LawFitz]

That's a guy saying he knows the real cause of Damir Hamlin's heart stopping on the field is not what is being reported. He can go shove a cactus up his ***, and anyone touting his opinion can do so too.

I find this theory laughable. The same experts pushing the commotio cordis hypothesis are the same ones who dismissed myocarditis deaths as “ultra-rare” and were the first ones to bark “no evidence!” at any jab-injury hypothesis.

WTH. I never said this or anything else about Hamlin's situation being related to vaccines. You are just straight lying about me now. Shame on you.

 

[sho nuff]

That's a guy saying he knows the real cause of Damir Hamlin's heart stopping on the field is not what is being reported. He can go shove a cactus up his ***, and anyone touting his opinion can do so too.

I find this theory laughable. The same experts pushing the commotio cordis hypothesis are the same ones who dismissed myocarditis deaths as “ultra-rare” and were the first ones to bark “no evidence!” at any jab-injury hypothesis.

WTH. I never said this or anything else about Hamlin's situation being related to vaccines. You are just straight lying about me now. Shame on you.

He is talking about something from the author in the link you posted (Jeff Childers)..he didn't claim you said it. There was no lying.

 

[LawFitz]

That's a guy saying he knows the real cause of Damir Hamlin's heart stopping on the field is not what is being reported. He can go shove a cactus up his ***, and anyone touting his opinion can do so too.

I find this theory laughable. The same experts pushing the commotio cordis hypothesis are the same ones who dismissed myocarditis deaths as “ultra-rare” and were the first ones to bark “no evidence!” at any jab-injury hypothesis.

WTH. I never said this or anything else about Hamlin's situation being related to vaccines. You are just straight lying about me now. Shame on you.

He is talking about something from the author in the link you posted (Jeff Childers)..he didn't claim you said it. There was no lying.

1. Look at his posting. It's extremey misleading and makes it look like that quote is mine. Super lame and incredibly poor form.

2. What does Damar's situation have to do with the igG3/4 study? Nothing at all. Why even bring that up? Some of you are gross the way you operate.

 

[sho nuff]

In fatness’ post, he said “that’s a guy” and directly quoted something the guy said. He didn’t say you said this…he didnt make the cactus comment towards any poster but towards “he”. I have zero clue how it could be thought it was directed at anyone here personally and not the author in the link posted.
It was brought up as it was on that same source from that author. The guy’s opinions are relevant when discussing the link posted. The author (Childrers) is the one I would call gross..:not any posters here

 

[the moops]

49% of the Rasmussen poll believes that the vaccines are likely to highly likely the cause of excess mortality. That is very solid and relevant info for this discussion. Please stop trying to stifle the conversation with your bully tactics.

It is relevant in that we should be embarrassed that so many in this country have fallen for this.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Triple-demic State of Affairs: Jan 5

Happy New Year! I hope you had a restful holiday. Here is the latest on COVID-19, flu, and RSV in the U.S. Overall respiratory health It’s still looking rough out there. High numbers of influenza-like illnesses (ILI)—fever, cough and/or sore throat reported at doctors’ offices—are peppered...

yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com

TL;DR

• Influenza-like illnesses (ILI): seem to have peaked, but beware of multiple waves (has happened in the past)
• RSV: big decrease
• Flu: Also trending downward, but not as quickly. Also of note: Southern hemisphere countries saw 2 waves of flu this season, one from type A, one from type B. Type A is driving our current surge, so it's certainly possible we see another wave from type B.
• Covid: XBB.1.5 of course:
  • "How big or severe will the wave be? It’s hard to predict given such a complex immunity wall in the U.S. and limited knowledge of XBB.1.5, including the inability to rely on trends from other countries, as this is a homegrown problem. (Singapore had a XBB wave, but XBB.1.5. is a 3-generation difference. Also, Singapore has a highly boosted population.)
    
    Regardless, we are already in a wave. For really the first time, reported case numbers have completely decoupled from wastewater, so we can’t rely on this anymore. Wastewater is clearly on the rise. ... Unfortunately, hospitalizations are increasing too. In the Northeast, hospitalizations among those over 70 years old are reaching very uncomfortable levels. They aren’t close to last winter, yet, but let’s please not make last winter’s disaster our standard of health."

A couple of positives:

• Hospitalizations are very different today than they used to be. Indicators of severe hospitalization, like ICU use and proportions of dexamethasone administered— the standard of care for COVID-19 pneumonia—are not increasing. This is a good sign that the severity of Omicron with XBB.1.5 mutations may not have changed, but we don’t have hard evidence of this yet.
• Vaccines work. People vaccinated with the fall booster have an 18.6 times lower risk of dying from COVID-19 than unvaccinated people right now. The risk of infection is also three times lower. This is even the case for people with weaker immune systems, like those over 80 years old.
  
  

 

[The Commish]

ignore. Ignore. Ignore. Please stop ruining a useful thread.

Yep...time to disengage. When focus goes to the poster instead of the subject, it's a good indication to bail. All that will happen is you'll get banned.

 

[jobarules]

Its pretty incredible the different outcomes from the same COVID infection that spread through my household:

• Me- never had COVID, vaxxed and original boosted in 2021, no boosters since- had flu-like symptoms (fever, sore throat, runny nose, cough), lasted about 5 days
• My 13 year old- never had COVID, unvaxxed- had stuffy nose for one day and no other symptoms
• My wife- had COVID 2 prior times including asymptomatic in Nov, unvaxxed- has congestion and exhausted, no other symptoms

BTW Im the only one vaxxed and had the worst of the symptoms. I know its anecdotal but interesting nonetheless

 

[Doug B]

Dr. Jetelina: For really the first time, reported case numbers have completely decoupled from wastewater, so we can’t rely on this anymore.

I disagree with Dr. Jetelina here, unless maybe she's talking about degree (e.g. hypothetically, 'wastewater doubled while cases only rose 20%') or a different way or reckoning case counts altogether. When wastewater counts rise, confirmed cases do also rise after a lag. And in recent weeks, 7-day confirmed cases have generally risen almost as fast as the wastewater counts.

EDIT: If she's talking about very recent numbers -- like since Christmas -- the figures are decoupled in the present, yes -- but the confirmed case counts for, say, 12/25 - 12/31/2022 will get adjusted and catch up in two weeks or so.

Or else ... she could more or less mean wastewater and confirmed cases are decoupling NOW, as we speak -- which could be true if the post-Christmas numbers don't get adjusted high enough.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Dr. Jetelina: For really the first time, reported case numbers have completely decoupled from wastewater, so we can’t rely on this anymore.

I disagree with Dr. Jetelina here, unless maybe she's talking about degree (e.g. hypothetically, 'wastewater doubled while cases only rose 20%') or a different way or reckoning case counts altogether. When wastewater counts rise, confirmed cases do also rise after a lag. And in recent weeks, 7-day confirmed cases have generally risen almost as fast as the wastewater counts.

EDIT: If she's talking about very recent numbers -- like since Christmas -- the figures are decoupled in the present, yes -- but the confirmed case counts for, say, 12/25 - 12/31/2022 will get adjusted and catch up in two weeks or so.

Or else ... she could more or less mean wastewater and confirmed cases are decoupling NOW, as we speak -- which could be true if the post-Christmas numbers don't get adjusted high enough.

I am guessing she means the latter, but yeah I noticed that also.

 

[Doug B]

Vaccines work. People vaccinated with the fall booster have an 18.6 times lower risk of dying from COVID-19 than unvaccinated people right now. The risk of infection is also three times lower. This is even the case for people with weaker immune systems, like those over 80 years old.

The bolded belies the "only 22% effective!" single-study point that got some play last month. Going by the footnotes, the CDC bases the "risk of infection is three times lower" metric on the multiple replicated and peer-reviewed studies cited.

EDIT: Actually, I might have posted in haste and be wrong here. Start with a cohort of 200 -- 100 bivalent-boosted people with 100 not bivalent-boosted as the control group. Send them all out into the wider world to live life as was normal in 2019 and test all 200 regularly for three months. If 22 out of the bivalent-boosted tested positive and 66 out of the control group tested positive ... I believe that gets you both a bivalent vaccine that -- in this particular experiment -- is 22% effective against transmission AND that gives you three times better odds against COVID transmission than skipping it.

I'm thinking through this and am unsure -- does that make sense to the house?

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Long COVID stemmed from mild cases of COVID-19 in most people, according to a new multicountry study

While there are still far more questions than answers about long COVID-19, researchers are beginning to get a clearer picture of the health and economic consequences of the condition.

theconversation.com

We found that a staggering 90% of people living with long COVID initially experienced only mild illness with COVID-19. After developing long COVID, however, the typical person experienced symptoms including fatigue, shortness of breath and cognitive problems such as brain fog – or a combination of these – that affected daily functioning. These symptoms had an impact on health as severe as the long-term effects of traumatic brain injury. Our study also found that women have twice the risk of men and four times the risk of children for developing long COVID.
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We analyzed data from 54 studies reporting on over 1 million people from 22 countries who had experienced symptoms of COVID-19. We counted how many people with COVID-19 developed clusters of new long-COVID symptoms and determined how their risk of developing the disease varied based on their age, sex and whether they were hospitalized for COVID-19.

We found that patients who were hospitalized for COVID-19 had a greater risk of developing long COVID – and of having longer-lasting symptoms – compared with people who had not been hospitalized. However, because the vast majority of COVID-19 cases do not require hospitalization, many more cases of long COVID have arisen from these milder cases despite their lower risk. Among all people with long COVID, our study found that nearly one out of every seven were still experiencing these symptoms a year later, and researchers don’t yet know how many of these cases may become chronic.
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Note: Most of the people we studied were infected with the deadlier variants that were circulating before omicron became dominant. More research being done to see how Omicron affects these findings.

 

[Doug B]

Our study also found that women have twice the risk of men ...

This is also in line with how cases of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia were reported in the 1980s and 1990s. At the time, both maladies were treated somewhat as medical mysteries -- "We've done all kinds of tests and you're fine! Snap out of it!" -- and sadly, women's concerns weren't always taken seriously.

It was later (but before COVID) that the connection started being made to chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia potentially being lingering symptoms of viral infections.

 

[Doug B]

Note: Most of the people we studied were infected with the deadlier variants that were circulating before omicron became dominant. More research being done to see how Omicron affects these findings.

It's going to take some more time to get solid data on this ... but I also wonder how the worse end of long COVID is going to manifest (or not?) in people who've been fastidious about staying up-to-date on vaccinations.

 

[LawFitz]

In fatness’ post, he said “that’s a guy” and directly quoted something the guy said. He didn’t say you said this…he didnt make the cactus comment towards any poster but towards “he”. I have zero clue how it could be thought it was directed at anyone here personally and not the author in the link posted.

The only reason there was any clarity in his post is because I called him out for the BS. Had I not, most people would have read that post and attributed the quote to me given the way he laid it out. I know it and so do you, but keep doing you.

And no, it's not okay to make his awful cactus remark about anyone over their opinion. Given the amount of athletes that have collapsed in the last two years, it's not unfair to *question* the uber-quick internet diagnosis of Commotio Cordis. Maybe it was CC - that hit was hard and at his chest - but maybe it wasn't. Or maybe it was CC and something else. Who knows? Not me. Not you. Not Fatness or anyone else here.

All I know is that I posted about the igG3/4 study there in response people who are experiencing rebound infections. There was absolutely zero to do with Damar. His response was sick and your defense of it is bordering guilt by association.

 

[the moops]

Given the amount of athletes that have collapsed in the last two years,

Is this where you link to the piece that had a bunch of athletes who were either not vaccinated, collapsed before the vaccine was available, or did not in fact collapse at all?

 

[LawFitz]

Given the amount of athletes that have collapsed in the last two years,

Is this where you link to the piece that had a bunch of athletes who were either not vaccinated, collapsed before the vaccine was available, or did not in fact collapse at all?

Classic moops gutter bait. Posts like this are where moderation is warranted.

 

[the moops]

Given the amount of athletes that have collapsed in the last two years,

Is this where you link to the piece that had a bunch of athletes who were either not vaccinated, collapsed before the vaccine was available, or did not in fact collapse at all?

Classic moops gutter bait. Posts like this are where moderation is warranted.

So no comment on the bogus link you provided several times that did exactly what I typed?

 

[LawFitz]

Jets’ Max Mitchell dealing with blood clots​

A day ago, there was mystery as to why Jets rookie right tackle Max Mitchell was placed on the NFI (non-football injury) list and deemed out for the season, according to head coach Robert Saleh.

Saleh declined to reveal the reason for Mitchell’s NFI designation, and the team, because of medical privacy laws, would not reveal the issue. On Thursday, Mitchell’s father, John, said his son had blood clots in his right calf and lung, but that his prognosis is excellent and his career is not in jeopardy.

“He should be fine,’’ Mitchell’s father told The Post. “It was an unexpected temporary setback. It should not affect his career long term. His future is promising.”

Glad to hear he should be fine.

 

[top dog]

Jets’ Max Mitchell dealing with blood clots​

A day ago, there was mystery as to why Jets rookie right tackle Max Mitchell was placed on the NFI (non-football injury) list and deemed out for the season, according to head coach Robert Saleh.

Saleh declined to reveal the reason for Mitchell’s NFI designation, and the team, because of medical privacy laws, would not reveal the issue. On Thursday, Mitchell’s father, John, said his son had blood clots in his right calf and lung, but that his prognosis is excellent and his career is not in jeopardy.

“He should be fine,’’ Mitchell’s father told The Post. “It was an unexpected temporary setback. It should not affect his career long term. His future is promising.”

Glad to hear he should be fine.

I wonder if he recently had COVID like I did? I was pretty concerned about blood clotting from it considering it is a very well known side effect.

 

[LawFitz]

Jets’ Max Mitchell dealing with blood clots​

A day ago, there was mystery as to why Jets rookie right tackle Max Mitchell was placed on the NFI (non-football injury) list and deemed out for the season, according to head coach Robert Saleh.

Saleh declined to reveal the reason for Mitchell’s NFI designation, and the team, because of medical privacy laws, would not reveal the issue. On Thursday, Mitchell’s father, John, said his son had blood clots in his right calf and lung, but that his prognosis is excellent and his career is not in jeopardy.

“He should be fine,’’ Mitchell’s father told The Post. “It was an unexpected temporary setback. It should not affect his career long term. His future is promising.”

Glad to hear he should be fine.

I wonder if he recently had COVID like I did? I was pretty concerned about blood clotting from it considering it is a very well known side effect.

I wonder the same. Too bad we don't have a control group from the clinical trials like we were supposed to. Too bad we don't get info regarding vax status/history after each SADS event - funny how there were no qualms about HIPAA privacy infractions when it came to checking people's vax status before they ate at restaurants, but suddenly there are when trying to gain clues about what could be causing the SADS epidemic.

 

[LawFitz]

Tim Robbins Says COVID Has Become a “New Religion”

the actor also explained how he was once a staunch advocate for pandemic restrictions but later changed his mind after seeing how people who were skeptical of the narrative were being treated.

“We turned into tribal, angry, vengeful people,” he said. “And I don’t think that is something that is sustainable for the Earth, that we start demonizing people who don’t agree with our particular health policies and turn them into monsters, turn them into pariahs, say they don’t deserve a hospital bed.”

“It turned into ‘you should ****ing die’ because you have not complied,” he added. “That’s incredibly dangerous.”

Hmm, oddly familiar.

Good on Tim for recognizing the error in his ways and not just changing them, but speaking up against them. Actually, great on him for doing so. Brave and good man, this one. Hopefully, the 49% will bring out more of them.

 

[LawFitz]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Twenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

28%!!!

WTF. What the seriously majorly unholy F.

 

[ChiefD]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Twenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

28%!!!

WTF. What the seriously majorly unholy F.

Disagree.

28% of adults can't spell the word vaccine, much less know the side effects of them.

 

[jobarules]

So the argument is Max Mitchell known medical condition of Factor V Leiden was caused by vaccines, when we don't know his vaccine status or last time he got a shot and has know hereditary condition per his father.

Mitchell has a hereditary blood-clotting condition called factor V Leiden, according to John Mitchell. Max Mitchell is on blood-thinning medication and is expected to make a full recovery, his father said, adding that it's not career-threatening.


Bit of a stretch imo

You got morons on one side wearing masks 365 days a year to prevent a 5 day sore throat and morons on the other side blaming every single health condition on the vaccine. That's the problem with society today. The morons have taken over and common sense has fallen by the wayside.

 

[LawFitz]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Twenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

28%!!!

WTF. What the seriously majorly unholy F.

Disagree.

28% of adults can't spell the word vaccine, much less know the side effects of them.

FACT: 28% of that Rasmussen poll respondents believe the side effect of DEATH of someone they personally know may have been caused by Covid vaccines.

Whether or not you agree with them doesn't change the very factual nature of this 28% figure or what it implies. Or that 49% of the same poll believe it's likely or very likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths. But this is no surprise really, considering vaccine uptake waned from 80% (first shot) to <68% (second shot) to ~17% (boosted). Intuitively, the people know something's up. That's undeniable now.

 

[LawFitz]

So the argument is Max Mitchell known medical condition of Factor V Leiden was caused by vaccines, when we don't know his vaccine status or last time he got a shot and has know hereditary condition per his father.

Mitchell has a hereditary blood-clotting condition called factor V Leiden, according to John Mitchell. Max Mitchell is on blood-thinning medication and is expected to make a full recovery, his father said, adding that it's not career-threatening.


Bit of a stretch imo

You got morons on one side wearing masks 365 days a year to prevent a 5 day sore throat and morons on the other side blaming every single health condition on the vaccine. That's the problem with society today. The morons have taken over and common sense has fallen by the wayside.

Don't fall for their B.S. about me. I've maintained all along that SADS could be due to the vaxxes. Or to Long Covid. Or to Fentanyl. Or perhaps something else. What I don't agree with is the 'moronic' idea that there is NO WAY NO HOW that SADS could be due to the vaxxes. Reality is we don't know either way, but should be concerned enough to make it a priority figuring this out definitively. The first step is exploring any and all potential causes - the vaxxes are simply a prime suspect.

 

[sho nuff]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Twenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

28%!!!

WTF. What the seriously majorly unholy F.

Disagree.

28% of adults can't spell the word vaccine, much less know the side effects of them.

FACT: 28% of that Rasmussen poll respondents believe the side effect of DEATH of someone they personally know may have been caused by Covid vaccines.

Whether or not you agree with them doesn't change the very factual nature of this 28% figure or what it implies. Or that 49% of the same poll believe it's likely or very likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths. But this is no surprise really, considering vaccine uptake waned from 80% (first shot) to <68% (second shot) to ~17% (boosted). Intuitively, the people know something's up. That's undeniable now.

it implies you found a biased poll that is pretty meaningless. Seriously…its quite meaningless. Other than it beingRasmussen and 28% is a very small number that source. Peer reviewed studies are meaningless but rasmussen polling is now the key?
What are we doing ?

 

[The Commish]

Seems about right....."33% of people believe the earth is flat" too

They can believe anything they want...have at it. Wake me when it's rooted in peer-reviewed, scientific study and we can talk. Hell, 29% of people believe the Loch Ness monster is real despite the evidence to the contrary. That's on them.

"We have lots of theories....." - The Rudy Guilliani types of the World

 

[LawFitz]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Twenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

28%!!!

WTF. What the seriously majorly unholy F.

Disagree.

28% of adults can't spell the word vaccine, much less know the side effects of them.

FACT: 28% of that Rasmussen poll respondents believe the side effect of DEATH of someone they personally know may have been caused by Covid vaccines.

Whether or not you agree with them doesn't change the very factual nature of this 28% figure or what it implies. Or that 49% of the same poll believe it's likely or very likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths. But this is no surprise really, considering vaccine uptake waned from 80% (first shot) to <68% (second shot) to ~17% (boosted). Intuitively, the people know something's up. That's undeniable now.

it implies you found a biased poll that is pretty meaningless. Seriously…its quite meaningless. Other than it beingRasmussen and 28% is a very small number that source. Peer reviewed studies are meaningless but rasmussen polling is now the key?
What are we doing ?

Rasmussen poll is biased but 'peer-reviewed' trash brought to you by Pfizer is fine, fine, just fine. Some of you here are beyond out there. All good, keep it up for all to see and understand.

 

[LawFitz]

And yes, slowly but very surely the people know.

80% --> less then 68% --> 17%.

THEY. KNOW.

 

[The Z Machine]

And yes, slowly but very surely the people know.

80% --> less then 68% --> 17%.

THEY. KNOW.

Well, do you personally know someone whose death you think was caused by the caused by side effects from the covid vaccine?

 

[fatness]

The only reason there was any clarity in his post is because I called him out for the BS. Had I not, most people would have read that post and attributed the quote to me given the way he laid it out.

Nobody thought that but you. Your mistake. We're used to those.

 

[sho nuff]

‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Twenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.

28%!!!

WTF. What the seriously majorly unholy F.

Disagree.

28% of adults can't spell the word vaccine, much less know the side effects of them.

FACT: 28% of that Rasmussen poll respondents believe the side effect of DEATH of someone they personally know may have been caused by Covid vaccines.

Whether or not you agree with them doesn't change the very factual nature of this 28% figure or what it implies. Or that 49% of the same poll believe it's likely or very likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths. But this is no surprise really, considering vaccine uptake waned from 80% (first shot) to <68% (second shot) to ~17% (boosted). Intuitively, the people know something's up. That's undeniable now.

it implies you found a biased poll that is pretty meaningless. Seriously…its quite meaningless. Other than it beingRasmussen and 28% is a very small number that source. Peer reviewed studies are meaningless but rasmussen polling is now the key?
What are we doing ?

Rasmussen poll is biased but 'peer-reviewed' trash brought to you by Pfizer is fine, fine, just fine. Some of you here are beyond out there. All good, keep it up for all to see and understand.

Rasmussen is an awful outfit yes. And peer reviewed data is quite good yeah. I mean…what is the ange in believing a poll over peer reviewed data. Believing opinions from a landline vs facts? Seriously…id love to know.

 

[the rover]

Dunning-Kruger effect on full display in here. Why won't people use ignore?

 

[the rover]

maybe just a few more facts will overcome a conspiracy theory based on the concept that facts are part of the conspiracy.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Its pretty incredible the different outcomes from the same COVID infection that spread through my household:

• Me- never had COVID, vaxxed and original boosted in 2021, no boosters since- had flu-like symptoms (fever, sore throat, runny nose, cough), lasted about 5 days
• My 13 year old- never had COVID, unvaxxed- had stuffy nose for one day and no other symptoms
• My wife- had COVID 2 prior times including asymptomatic in Nov, unvaxxed- has congestion and exhausted, no other symptoms

BTW Im the only one vaxxed and had the worst of the symptoms. I know its anecdotal but interesting nonetheless

You're higher risk for symptomatic covid than your son, due to your age. If you're overweight, or have any medical problems, even more so.

Your wife was infected relatively recently, so she presumably has natural immunity to some flavor of omicron. Your last immune challenge to SARS-CoV-2 was over a year ago, to original recipe spike protein.

While it's far more complicated than just those factors, given the information you provided, it is hardly incredible you'd be the sickest in your household. Most importantly, nobody got sick enough to require hospitalization.

 

[Terminalxylem]

It was later (but before COVID) that the connection started being made to chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia potentially being lingering symptoms of viral infections.

Although this is one commonly posited mechanism, the pathogenesis of neither CFS nor fibromyalgia is well understood. It's also pretty easy to blame any disease process on viruses.

 

[LawFitz]

And yes, slowly but very surely the people know.

80% --> less then 68% --> 17%.

THEY. KNOW.

Well, do you personally know someone whose death you think was caused by the caused by side effects from the covid vaccine?

My personal situation isn't relevant here, but I am once removed from two suspected vax deaths. Your question does make me wonder how much that 28% figure would increase if they also include people like me who have very close, but indirect ties to suspected victims.

 

[The Z Machine]

My personal situation isn't relevant here, but I am once removed from two suspected vax deaths. Your question does make me wonder how much that 28% figure would increase if they also include people like me who have very close, but indirect ties to suspected victims.

I was simply wondering if your lived experience was playing a part in your statements about the risk and danger in these vaccines.

As a follow up, do you care to elaborate on these supposed vax deaths? What were the circumstances and why do you suspect that the covid vaccines played a role?

 

[LawFitz]

do you care to elaborate on these supposed vax deaths?

No

 

[LawFitz]

I was simply wondering if your lived experience was playing a part in your statements about the risk and danger in these vaccines.

I care about my family and community, and all of humanity, even those that don't always act right. I also care very much about the truth. We've been fed a lot of lies since day one, so you'll have to forgive me for not trusting mainstream narratives, especially those brought to me by Pfizer.

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

 

[Hooper31]

do you care to elaborate on these supposed vax deaths?

No

Why would he? He has faith. No elaboration necessary.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Nothing new, but easy to digest info here:

How concerned should I be about the new XBB.1.5 variant?

XBB.1.5 has a transmission advantage, but this doesn’t make it a game-changing “super variant.” Keep calm, get boosted (and ramp-up precautions), and carry-on.

thosenerdygirls.substack.com

Probably the most imporant piece:

Do the boosters work against this variant?​

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Yes. A recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that blood from people who had received the Omicron-updated (or bivalent) booster neutralized all Omicron subvariants (including XBB, the parent of XBB.1.5) significantly better than those who only received one or two doses of the original vaccine. That means boosted people have more antibodies that can bind to XBB and prevent infection. Only 37.5 % of Americans aged 65+ have gotten their bivalent booster (and only 15% overall), so there is LOTS of room for improvement.​

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Fantastic, detailed, destruction, with receipts, of the "vaccinated athletes are dying" nonsense.

 

[The Commish]

Fantastic, detailed, destruction, with receipts, of the "vaccinated athletes are dying" nonsense.

I think we've covered all those points in this thread at some point...kuddos to all of you keeping up the good fight on this.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Fantastic, detailed, destruction, with receipts, of the "vaccinated athletes are dying" nonsense.

Not shocked that Peter McCullough was the source of those "stats"

The dude literally said on a video interview last week that, and I paraphrase his quote, "the vaccinated are shedding the vaccine to unvaccinated and making them become vaccinated"

You can't make that stuff up. Or, apparently you can.

 

[top dog]

Fantastic, detailed, destruction, with receipts, of the "vaccinated athletes are dying" nonsense.

It doesn't matter. People really have made up their minds on this stuff. I was talking to our Sales manager today who is a highly intelligent person who has taught me a lot in the last few years. He is a friend and I know him very well. He and I don't see eye to eye on everything when it comes to politics, religion and COVID. He told me today that he is 100% convinced that Hamlin had a heart attack because of the vaccine. "AND I DON'T CARE WHAT SCIENCE HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT. Not going to convince me." was his exact words.

People are just dug in.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Fantastic, detailed, destruction, with receipts, of the "vaccinated athletes are dying" nonsense.

Not shocked that Peter McCullough was the source of those "stats"

The dude literally said on a video interview last week that, and I paraphrase his quote, "the vaccinated are shedding the vaccine to unvaccinated and making them become vaccinated"

You can't make that stuff up. Or, apparently you can.

whole bunch of people lap this stuff up though....that's the problem. people listen to these goobers instead of digging in and looking at the data/research itself. so lazy.

that's why I was taken back a bit by that Rasmussen poll...understanding the people they typically reach through their process, I thought the number would be well above 50%....that it was under 30% gave me a bit of comfort.

Agreed. He and Robert Malone just recently both got reinstated to Twitter (after being banned for posting misinformation). They have huge followings. They both happen to also have supplements they want to sell you. I have no doubt their misinformation has directly lead to deaths.

 

[jamny]

The only reason there was any clarity in his post is because I called him out for the BS. Had I not, most people would have read that post and attributed the quote to me given the way he laid it out.

Nobody thought that but you. Your mistake. We're used to those.

Admittedly, I don't follow some of the side arguments that closely, but I thought the quote was from LawFitz. The better response would have been to say "Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you said that" Understanding that wording can sometimes not be clear enough.