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The revenge vote thing makes no sense.  Who do you think you're getting revenge on? 

Even if he wins, the inevitable result will be one of two things: (1) he'll turn into a normal politician and you'll feel even more burned; or (2) he'll be a disaster and the "I told you so's" will be 100x louder and more obnoxious (and more correct) than ever before, resulting in a huge backlash against whatever it is you think you're accomplishing.

You want a protest vote?  Vote Sanders, someone who actually believes in shaking things up instead of just selling it to you as a marketing ploy, and has the chops to get it done. Voting Trump is essentially an admission that the people you think have marginalized your voice were right to do so.
Obviously I despise these people (Washington elite) a lot more than most. Sanders is #2 on my list simply because he's an independent running as a D. Right now, he's not in the lead so I'll stick with the lead dog. None of his (Bernie's) ideas will fly as well but I can't imagine him standing up in front of congress and berating them. These people need exposed and removed from office. These hammerheads like old coot McConnell, Reid, Feinsten, Boxer,....who'd I miss? I'd like to punch them all in the face and put them in a coma. They would do as much in a coma as they are right now. 1st thing these old ####ers do to the new electees is 'set them straight ' on how Washington works and that is not for the people but for A #1.

The reality is, some of you guys take this way to seriously. You have no control over any of it.

 
:lmao:  They all are abandoning the pledge to support the nominee. Yet another reason to not vote for them. You can't even trust them to keep their word on a simple 'hold your nose' and support your party. That's how pathetic they are. Bunch of ####### losers. A big deal was made of this towards Trump and Trump only.

Now, who is different? Trump the outsider. He's allowed to abandon the pledge. They aren't.

Hillary wins unless she's in handcuffs by then. Then Bernie wins.
How is he different?  You just admit its ok that he lies, because they all do.

You all have admitted he does not believe much of what he says and will change stances when the general election comes around.

You pretty much keep admitting he is just like the rest of them.

 
Let's focus on that for a minute since you posted it. The rest of the info both prior and after what should be your main focal point is just reasons why you "feel" we shouldn't even try. You know GD well they are the problem and fundamentally their religion does not allow for them to cohabitate with us. The ones already in this country get a taste of the good life and typically mold to our customs and values at least in public, most would never want to return to their ME countries and actually are in violation of their own religion and largely looked at as traitors worthy of death back in their lands.
Hey MOP, you say that "their religion does not allow for them to cohabitate with us". Can you explain what you mean by that? I have a comment but want to be clear on what you are saying before I respond. Thanks. 

 
How is he different?  You just admit its ok that he lies, because they all do.

You all have admitted he does not believe much of what he says and will change stances when the general election comes around.

You pretty much keep admitting he is just like the rest of them.
He could be but I KNOW THAT THEY ARE. So I can't vote for them. I could go Gary Johnson again but then you guys go ape #### over 'you are throwing your vote away' Which is one of the dumbest arguments in the history of arguments. You could even call those 'protest' votes.

 
Hey MOP, you say that "their religion does not allow for them to cohabitate with us". Can you explain what you mean by that? I have a comment but want to be clear on what you are saying before I respond. Thanks. 
I thought it was some goofy thing written in their goofy book about killing the infidels' (non-beleivers).

 
He could be but I KNOW THAT THEY ARE. So I can't vote for them. I could go Gary Johnson again but then you guys go ape #### over 'you are throwing your vote away' Which is one of the dumbest arguments in the history of arguments. You could even call those 'protest' votes.


I don't go ape #### over that and agree with you that it is a terrible argument.  I voted for Johnson in the last election and am 99% sure to vote for him again this time.

I think it is a great protest vote in that I want a 3rd party to gain enough momentum to really have a voice come election time...in addition, I believe in Johnson's platform more than any other right now.

 
Obviously I despise these people (Washington elite) a lot more than most. Sanders is #2 on my list simply because he's an independent running as a D. Right now, he's not in the lead so I'll stick with the lead dog. None of his (Bernie's) ideas will fly as well but I can't imagine him standing up in front of congress and berating them. These people need exposed and removed from office. These hammerheads like old coot McConnell, Reid, Feinsten, Boxer,....who'd I miss? I'd like to punch them all in the face and put them in a coma. They would do as much in a coma as they are right now. 1st thing these old ####ers do to the new electees is 'set them straight ' on how Washington works and that is not for the people but for A #1.

The reality is, some of you guys take this way to seriously. You have no control over any of it.
How do you think Trump would accomplish these goals?  You really think he's gonna "stand up in front of Congress and berate them"?  When's he gonna do that, at the State of the Union? I don't think that would go down the way you think it would.  First, it won't happen until he's been in office a year, by which time he will presumably have made a complete ### of himself many many times based on the current rate at which he's doing this. By then he'll look petty and foolish berating those people. Second, it won't play the way you think. A room full of people from all over the country and the political spectrum meeting his insults with silence or boos would make him look like he's immature and can't govern.  And third, if you haven't noticed, he's kind of a coward.  He never insults people to their face, he does it after the fact.

 
Hey MOP, you say that "their religion does not allow for them to cohabitate with us". Can you explain what you mean by that? I have a comment but want to be clear on what you are saying before I respond. Thanks. 
MOP's post was insane. There is very little (if anything) true in his post. 

 
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He could be but I KNOW THAT THEY ARE. So I can't vote for them. I could go Gary Johnson again but then you guys go ape #### over 'you are throwing your vote away' Which is one of the dumbest arguments in the history of arguments. You could even call those 'protest' votes.
Latest poll has Gary Johnson at 11%. That 'throw away vote' argument is at its weakest point ever.

 
I don't go ape #### over that and agree with you that it is a terrible argument.  I voted for Johnson in the last election and am 99% sure to vote for him again this time.

I think it is a great protest vote in that I want a 3rd party to gain enough momentum to really have a voice come election time...in addition, I believe in Johnson's platform more than any other right now.
Let me ask you this question. Before asking, I'm going to give you a scenario.

Let's say Trump gets the screw job and Bernie is out as well. Trump approaches, Bernie. 'Let's take these clowns down.'. Bernie agrees because Trump says, I hate to lose but I really don't want to be stuck in the WH for 4 years so I'll hand over power to you when I fix everything. In Trump's mind, he will come to that conclusion rather quickly when his golf tourney is going on and he's stuck in the oval office. Or maybe it's some other guy you would like to vote for.

Would you vote for Trump? I firmly believe if he actually got in the WH, that he will do this. After a couple years, he would want out because Trump and the responsibilities of PRES is a square peg/round hole. I don't' think there is anything to stop him from resigning and handing the POTUS to the VP.

 
Me too...A perfect one would be a parody of Rawhide.

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Shonuff!
Great post...right on topic and didn't call out another poster as a troll while doing your own trolling.

Top notch stuff here.

 
How do you think Trump would accomplish these goals?  You really think he's gonna "stand up in front of Congress and berate them"?  When's he gonna do that, at the State of the Union? I don't think that would go down the way you think it would.  First, it won't happen until he's been in office a year, by which time he will presumably have made a complete ### of himself many many times based on the current rate at which he's doing this. By then he'll look petty and foolish berating those people. Second, it won't play the way you think. A room full of people from all over the country and the political spectrum meeting his insults with silence or boos would make him look like he's immature and can't govern.  And third, if you haven't noticed, he's kind of a coward.  He never insults people to their face, he does it after the fact.
Not sure the word I'm looking for but I just said it that way. I don't mean he will literally stand up in front of them all. No he would take jabs at them the way you are saying. 'oh that loser Harry Reid didn't vote for this or that'. 

 
Obviously I despise these people (Washington elite) a lot more than most. Sanders is #2 on my list simply because he's an independent running as a D. Right now, he's not in the lead so I'll stick with the lead dog. None of his (Bernie's) ideas will fly as well but I can't imagine him standing up in front of congress and berating them. These people need exposed and removed from office. These hammerheads like old coot McConnell, Reid, Feinsten, Boxer,....who'd I miss? I'd like to punch them all in the face and put them in a coma. They would do as much in a coma as they are right now. 1st thing these old ####ers do to the new electees is 'set them straight ' on how Washington works and that is not for the people but for A #1.

The reality is, some of you guys take this way to seriously. You have no control over any of it.
Dude.  Sanders already stands up in front of the Senate and berates them, while he's in the Senate.  It's awesome to watch.  He'll even make the last speaker come up and answer a question to make fun of him in front of Congress before he starts his speech.

 
Dude.  Sanders already stands up in front of the Senate and berates them, while he's in the Senate.  It's awesome to watch.  He'll even make the last speaker come up and answer a question to make fun of him in front of Congress before he starts his speech.
I like that .That's great but he's not going to even make it to the D nomination. Knowing that makes me want a Trump Sanders ticket even more. Neither wins without the other. Probalby can't win tougher either. There are too many fooled by Hillary.

 
Didn't you get the memo?  We are being nice to each other and talking about issues, not personal attacks.  GB.  :thumbup:
Better be sure to spread that memo to the Trump guys...they have struggled the past 2 days with this.  Maybe just not enough Trump news lately and they were bored.

 
Not sure the word I'm looking for but I just said it that way. I don't mean he will literally stand up in front of them all. No he would take jabs at them the way you are saying. 'oh that loser Harry Reid didn't vote for this or that'. 
You don't need to be president to do that. What has been stopping him from doing it for the last 70 years? And can't he do it whether or not he's in the oval office?  Do we really need to put a man with narcissistic personality disorder in charge of our military just so you can read about once more voice deriding Reid (who is retiring BTW) and McConnell added to the thousands who are already doing so?

 
Dude.  Sanders already stands up in front of the Senate and berates them, while he's in the Senate.  It's awesome to watch.  He'll even make the last speaker come up and answer a question to make fun of him in front of Congress before he starts his speech.
Bernie is the reason im only 99% for Gary Johnson right now.  He intrigues me with how he has done things.  Fiscally I am struggling to support him though.  The other side to that is many of his policies won't make it thru congress...even with a few changes in the balance there.  Despite others knowing that its not just tax raises and that there will be offsets for most people in terms of insurance premiums...the overwhelming theme from those opposing it will be about the tax raises and vulnerable congressman will not be able to support it all.

 
I like that .That's great but he's not going to even make it to the D nomination. Knowing that makes me want a Trump Sanders ticket even more. Neither wins without the other. Probalby can't win tougher either. There are too many fooled by Hillary.
"I'd like the opportunity, if the gentleman from California would respond just to a brief question, if I might..." is how one of my favorite Bernie videos from the 90s starts. Rulez.

 
How do you think Trump would accomplish these goals?  You really think he's gonna "stand up in front of Congress and berate them"?  When's he gonna do that, at the State of the Union? I don't think that would go down the way you think it would.  First, it won't happen until he's been in office a year, by which time he will presumably have made a complete ### of himself many many times based on the current rate at which he's doing this. By then he'll look petty and foolish berating those people. Second, it won't play the way you think. A room full of people from all over the country and the political spectrum meeting his insults with silence or boos would make him look like he's immature and can't govern.  And third, if you haven't noticed, he's kind of a coward.  He never insults people to their face, he does it after the fact.
Not supporting Trump, but I think you just described Obama more than Trump.

 
Bernie is the reason im only 99% for Gary Johnson right now.  He intrigues me with how he has done things.  Fiscally I am struggling to support him though.  The other side to that is many of his policies won't make it thru congress...even with a few changes in the balance there.  Despite others knowing that its not just tax raises and that there will be offsets for most people in terms of insurance premiums...the overwhelming theme from those opposing it will be about the tax raises and vulnerable congressman will not be able to support it all.
I believe that it is time for me to reject the politics of fear.  I can't do it anymore.  Maybe younger people still can, I can't. I don't have a lot of Presidential votes left. I won't cast one more vote out of fear of what will happen if I don't, as some kind of pre-emptive strike against whomever the Republicans decide to put up. 

I voted for the candidate I believe will make the best president.  I hope lots of people do.

 
Didn't you get the memo?  We are being nice to each other and talking about issues, not personal attacks.  GB.  :thumbup:
I quickly edited to say his post was insane, but you caught me. It just drives me insane because so many of my friends, co-workers, students, and neighbors are Muslims. It's frustrating that they constantly get #### on by people that have no clue about their culture.

 
I quickly edited to say his post was insane, but you caught me. It just drives me insane because so many of my friends, co-workers, students, and neighbors are Muslims. It's frustrating that they constantly get #### on by people that have no clue about their culture.
Like my wife used to say, "Boy, you're quick".   :D

By the way - CNN's History of the 80's is coming on, I think tomorrow night.  You should start a thread on it.  Really looking forward to that.

 
Cooper: After saying you were going to spill the beans about Heidi Cruz, you retweeted an unflattering picture of her next to a picture of your wife.

Trump: I thought it was a nice picture of Heidi. I thought it was fine.

Cooper: Come on.

Trump: I thought it was fine. She’s a pretty woman.

Cooper: You’re running for president of the United States.

Trump: Excuse me, excuse me. I didn’t start it. I didn’t start it.

Cooper: But sir, with all due respect: That’s the argument of a five-year-old.

Trump: I didn’t start it—no it’s not.

Cooper: The argument of a five-year-old is: “He started it.”

Trump. Excuse me. You would say that. That’s the problem with our country.

Cooper: Every parent knows a five-year-old who says “he started it.”
:lmao:

 
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So damn frustrating  

Dad's grief leads to quest to count deaths caused by illegal immigrant drivers


In the five years since an unlicensed illegal immigrant ran down his son, Don Rosenberg has turned his anger and grief into a mission to answer a seemingly simple question: How many people are killed each year by drivers who don’t belong in the U.S., much less behind a wheel?


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Drew Rosenberg, a 25-year-old student at Golden Gate University, was riding his motorcycle in San Francisco when Roberto Galo struck him on Nov. 16, 2010. In his frenzied effort to flee the scene, Galo ran over his victim twice. The elder Rosenberg got the news no parent should hear from San Francisco General Hospital that night, but what he would learn over the next few years only compounded his bitterness.

As many as 7,500 Americans -- 20 per day -- are killed annually by unlicensed drivers, and Rosenberg calculates that more than half are the victims of illegal immigrants. Now, by testifying before lawmakers, speaking to parents who have been through the same ordeal and posting his research on his nonprofit’s website, unlicensedtodrive.org, Rosenberg is shedding light on a frightening number not readily available from government sources.


“Our archives are filled with stories of drunk-driving illegals killing U.S. citizens.”

- William Gheen, Americans for Legal Immigration



“I was stunned at what I found,” said Rosenberg, who at 63 is semi-retired from the entertainment and publishing industry. “Not only were unlicensed drivers killing people in numbers only exceeded by drunk drivers, but many times they were barely being punished and many times faced no charges at all.”

Galo, a Honduran, who entered the country illegally but earned temporary protective status, had been cited five months earlier for driving without a license or insurance and heading the wrong way on a one-way street in San Francisco. His car was impounded for a day, he paid a fine for the moving violation and the other charges were dropped.

After he was convicted of manslaughter, Galo served six weeks in jail and was released. He was deported in 2013 after a years-long legal battle.

Because state and federal highway safety officials do not classify deaths by the perpetrator’s immigration stats, tabulating the deadly toll of unlicensed, illegal immigrant drivers has been a painstaking effort.  Rosenberg has pored through spreadsheets and studies, piecing together numbers that show his son’s death was neither necessary nor unique. Still, his estimate is just that, and it varies from the guesses of other groups.

“I’ve learned over time that many jurisdictions do not cite license status or immigration status when reporting these statistics, so if anything, the numbers are understated,” he said. “For example, San Francisco doesn’t report either criteria, so Drew’s death defaults to having been killed by a licensed driver who was a citizen.”

Such imprecise government bookkeeping masks a frightening and, critics say, preventable danger. The AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, which obtains state-by-state data from the federal government Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) database – found that 20 percent of fatal crashes involved an unlicensed driver. From 2010-2014, there was an average of 32,887 road deaths per year, which would mean 6,577 were caused by unlicensed drivers. Those drivers include citizens with suspended or revoked licenses, and those who never had licenses. But if half are illegal immigrants, it would be in line with Rosenberg’s estimates.

“Our archives are filled with stories of drunk-driving illegals killing U.S. citizens,” William Gheen, of the Americans for Legal Immigration Political Action Committee, told FoxNews.com. “It is our official estimate that more than 3,000 U.S citizens lose their lives each year due to the insufficient enforcement of our existing border and immigration law.”

Brandon Mendoza was a 32-year-old, Mesa, Ariz., policeman in 2014 when an unlicensed, illegal immigrant driver drove drunk the wrong way on a freeway and killed him. Raul Silva-Corona had been convicted of criminal conspiracy in Colorado 20 years earlier, but never deported.

Mendoza’s mother believes the government could make the roads safer by at least deporting illegal immigrants who have been convicted of crimes.

“I don't believe it's reality to be able to get all of the illegals out of the country, but I do believe we need to get the criminal element out of here and secure the border so that they cannot continue to keep coming back,” Mary Ann Mendoza said.

Like Rosenberg, Mendoza has turned her grief into activism, starting a memorial foundation to continue her fallen son’s legacy and urging policymakers to take the issue more seriously.

“Until you have lost a loved one to an illegal criminal, you will never truly understand the other side of this issue,” she said.

The problem of unlicensed illegal immigrant drivers is most severe in the southwest, according to Peoria, Ariz., Police Detective Chris Boughey. Patrolling the streets of the Phoenix suburb, Boughey has encountered many incidents involving unlicensed, illegal immigrant drivers and considered it in a national perspective.

“With at least 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States, it can be surmised that a large population drive a vehicle on a regular basis,” Boughey said, adding that enforcing laws already on the books should mean deportation for illegal immigrants caught driving without valid licenses.

When government agencies do acknowledge the danger posed by unlicensed drivers, including illegal immigrants, they often use the information to further a pro-illegal immigrant agenda, say critics.

In the wake of a 2013 study by the California Department of Motor Vehicles that concluded that unlicensed drivers are almost three times as likely to cause a deadly car accident as a licensed driver, Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation allowing illegal immigrants to obtain driver’s licenses. California, which was believed to have 2 million unlicensed drivers prior to passage of the law, is now one of a dozen states to allow the controversial practice.

“States that have worked with undocumented immigrants to enable them to get drivers licenses and insurance see a decrease in uninsured motorist claims,” said Janet Ruiz, of the Insurance Information Institute. “The availability of driver’s licenses and insurance promote safer driving and less accidents.”

Gregory Chen, director of advocacy at the American Immigration Lawyers Associated, agreed.

"The best way to ensure safety on our nation's roads is to make sure everyone who drives has passed a driver's exam, and has a license and insurance,” he said. “The last thing states and localities want is for their law enforcement and emergency teams to arrive at roadside accidents where drivers are uninsured and where injured persons arrive at hospitals unable to pay."

But Gheen and other critics say those who combat the problem of unlicensed drivers by awarding them licenses have it backward. A better solution, he said, is enforcing existing immigration law to the point that people are no longer encouraged to “enter and remain in the U.S. illegally.”

Rosenberg, who describes himself as a “lifelong liberal,” said the circumstances surrounding his son’s death have left him bitter at the group he calls the “amnesty crowd.” He also wants illegal immigrants caught driving without a license to be deported.

 “While I can sympathize with people who want to make their lives better, they can’t do it at the expense of others,” he said. “I am not angry at those who come here to try and better their life or their children’s, but it can’t be condoned or rewarded.”

 
Did anyone see a story about a DC madame who was going to release names of clients and one of them was relevant to this election? They were talking about it on Philly sports radio this morning.  I'd bet my lunch money it is Cruz. Kasich may still be alive if this goes to the convention. 

 
Did anyone see a story about a DC madame who was going to release names of clients and one of them was relevant to this election? They were talking about it on Philly sports radio this morning. I'd bet my lunch money it is Cruz.
I doubt Cruz will be on the madame's list, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the name a couple high-profile campaign advisors.

 
Did anyone see a story about a DC madame who was going to release names of clients and one of them was relevant to this election? They were talking about it on Philly sports radio this morning.  I'd bet my lunch money it is Cruz. Kasich may still be alive if this goes to the convention. 
I saw it but did not post it because I did not know what to make of it - since the lawyer said it would affect the presidential race considering the people left that means it could affect Hillary (via Bill or someone on her staff), Trump, Cruz, Kasich. I am going to seriously doubt Sanders and even say Kasich seems unlikely.

Personally I am 100% in favor of releasing this information.

- Btw - We had a similar situation here in New Orleans. A madam with a brothel had a list connecting scores of well known politicians, lawyers, judges doctors and prominent businessmen, and the client book was also sealed. And another similarity was the madam committed suicide after threatening to write a book and release the names.

 
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