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Middle Class - Trade, taxes, education, etc., etc., etc., as they relate to the middle class need to be brought to the forefront.  I'm a strong believer that this country works best when there's a strong middle class.  Both parties will say it, but neither will act on it.  Its all about the (middle class) economy stupid!
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This is what Obama has been working on still he took office. Everything he proposes to help the middle class more gets blocked by Republicans.

 
lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQkV5cTuoY

The world is going completely nuts! Europe feels threatened by 0.3% refugees, the USA are about to elect a man, of who no one really knows who is pulling the strings under the toupee and just as if that was not bad enough, Germany of all nations has to disabuse the world of how to behave morally right. I mean GERMANY! They did not even win one single world war in history!
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timschochet said:
You're right, he's winning- among Republicans. 

What doesn't add up is that Republican voters have gone off the deep end. But it's clear they're not taking the nation with them. The American public as a whole is not nearly as angry or pessimistic as Republicans are. 

Here's proof: latest approval ratings for President Obama is 53%. Among Republicans his approval rating is 12%. That's a huge disparity. It suggests that the rest of the nation just doesn't share conservative attitudes. Which is the main reason Trump is likely to get wiped out in the electoral college IMO. 
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We are bailing out at the convention and letting Cruz or some hand picked loser get slaughtered by Hillary. Stock market to the moon!

 
Trump is gonna dig his own grave soon enough. My wife's best friend has been a huge trump supporter on Facebook. Every vile thing he said she was all for. Until now... Now she's disgusted about the abortion stance he took. Of course say things about other races she didn't care but say something about women and now she cares.

 
You're right, he's winning- among Republicans.

What doesn't add up is that Republican voters have gone off the deep end.
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Trump is not winning the majority of the Republican vote. He's averaging around 35% of primary votes. But primary votes only represent around 20% of registered voters, so he's really only averaging around 7% of registered voters. And you take into account the fact that around 10-20% of primary voters aren't even Republican (thanks to open primary laws), then Trump is probably only getting around 5% of the potential Republican vote.

 
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Skoo said:
First of all,  :goodposting:

Secondly, I think you might be a democrat. While outside of Bernie I unfortunately don't expect any movement on campaign finance, GOP tax cuts always go to the rich and they will never, ever, under any circumstance decrease funding for the military.

Have you heard them in the debates? "Our military has been DECIMATED!" It's unreal.

Not meant as an attack, just trying to recruit  :D  We need all the progressives we can get here in Purple PA!
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Honestly, I don't fit well into either camp.  I think there may be a lot like me that really don't have a voice in the current two party system.  At least I hope.

 
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cstu said:
This is what Obama has been working on still he took office. Everything he proposes to help the middle class more gets blocked by Republicans.
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Then he hasn't been the right man for the job.  If memory serves, its wasn't that long ago that he enjoyed a filibuster proof majority.

 
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Blick said:
Honestly, I don't fit well into either camp.  I think there may be a lot like me that really don't have a voice in the current two party system.  At least I hope.
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I'm with you Blick.  100%.  And I think there are a lot of us out there.  Unfortunately it doesn't appear that our voices fit in the current 2 party political system.

I have lost faith in Trump as a President, but I'm still supporting him.  It's a protest vote at this point.  

 
Blick said:
That's it, I'm out.  I'm off the Trump train. 

I see our government as broken.  Between pandering to the extremist in both parties, obstructionism and do-nothingness in congress, and economic stagnation in the middle class, I looked at Trump's campaign as a sort of peaceful civil war.  He's an outsider that is not afraid to take on all-comers.  Someone that may have been able to use the leverage granted him as POTUS to reach across the aisle (just think, not long ago this was on both the Dems and Reps basic platform) and start to press congress to govern based on the good of their constituents and not their party.  I wish someone more qualified, or more third party'ish would have taken up this torch, but as my dad always says, "sometimes you have to piss with the peter you got".

Because of all this, I was willing to overlook many of the gaffes he's made by chalking them up to inexperience and lack of polish.  I didn't care if he didn't understood many of the things we expect our President to know because, as an outsider, there was going to need to be some on the job training. 

The real shame is that I think he had the primary, and maybe even the general, locked up after Super Tuesday.  His news conference that night was brilliant.  He was in control, professional, and presidential.  All he had to do was take the high road to the white house.  He couldn't do it. He didn't even try to do it. 

He didn't study up on basic issues.  He didn't stop re-tweeting ignorant information.  He continued personal attacks on Cruz and his wife.  All unacceptable.  He's lost me.

I'm assuming he has little chance to win the nomination now.  Therefore, the question becomes, is all of this just going to be swept under the rug by the republican party, or will its leaders start to understand the issues that made Donald so popular.

Immigration - Immigration reform is way over-do.  Regardless of the final bill, as long as it shores up the border, I don't see how it won't pass.

Middle Class - Trade, taxes, education, etc., etc., etc., as they relate to the middle class need to be brought to the forefront.  I'm a strong believer that this country works best when there's a strong middle class.  Both parties will say it, but neither will act on it.  Its all about the (middle class) economy stupid!

Military Inventions - I'm growing increasingly tired of my tax dollars being spent on policing the world when our infrastructure and education system are in shambles. 

Campaign Finance - Corporate campaign financing and the potential corruption it causes has to be addressed.  I'm feeling the bern on this one.

My vote will be cast on April 26th in PA.  Since its a closed primary, I can only vote republican.  Therefore, I'll probably pull the lever for Kasich as Cruz is too conservative for my liking.  Quite honestly, if I could vote for the democratic ticket, I'd probably vote for Bernie as a vote against Hilary.  To me, she represents all that is bad in governments today.

Now, I'm still on the platform and the train hasn't left.  I can be won back, but he's going to have to earn it.
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If he gets the nomination, Bernie would be lucky to have supporters like you in the GE.  Not because of bailing on Trump, but because you seem to have a lot in common with what I think the majority of Americans want from their government. 

It's hard to argue against the proposition that the current political system is broken.  I understand the people gravitating toward Trump as the only option for the Republicans in that position.  But I really think Bernie is closer to what most of us actually want out of government.  

(Even if you can't vote for him in the primary, you'd be very effective at making calls for Sanders with a phone bank, given your history.)

 
Higgs said:
I'm with you Blick.  100%.  And I think there are a lot of us out there.  Unfortunately it doesn't appear that our voices fit in the current 2 party political system.

I have lost faith in Trump as a President, but I'm still supporting him.  It's a protest vote at this point.  
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Protest with a Vote for Johnson.

Make a 3rd party viable in this country .

 
Higgs said:
I'm with you Blick.  100%.  And I think there are a lot of us out there.  Unfortunately it doesn't appear that our voices fit in the current 2 party political system.

I have lost faith in Trump as a President, but I'm still supporting him.  It's a protest vote at this point.  
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Then why not vote for Kasich.  He's the only one capable of beating evil Hillary.

 
Higgs said:
I'm with you Blick.  100%.  And I think there are a lot of us out there.  Unfortunately it doesn't appear that our voices fit in the current 2 party political system.

I have lost faith in Trump as a President, but I'm still supporting him.  It's a protest vote at this point.  
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I would also say I don't fit well into either party.  I have voted both sides several times, depending on the person. I am socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. Hopefully there is something good that can come from Trump and that is either the foundation of a viable new party or a fundamental shift within the parties themselves. 

 
Higgs said:
I'm with you Blick.  100%.  And I think there are a lot of us out there.  Unfortunately it doesn't appear that our voices fit in the current 2 party political system.

I have lost faith in Trump as a President, but I'm still supporting him.  It's a protest vote at this point.  
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If Bernie gets the nomination, expect me to be aggressively pursuing your vote for him.  I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how much you like the little guy.

 
Ilov80s said:
I would also say I don't fit well into either party.  I have voted both sides several times, depending on the person. I am socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. Hopefully there is something good that can come from Trump and that is either the foundation of a viable new party or a fundamental shift within the parties themselves. 
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I'm extremely socially liberal, and fiscally completely pissed off at our priorities.  Fact is, if we can just FIX this crap, we don't need massive taxes to do the things that actually benefit the people of this country.  We do not have to police the world.  We do not have to incarcerate non-violent criminals who are incarcerated for "victimless" crimes.  We do not have to keep providing extra incentives for pharmaceutical companies to screw this country over.

We do have to educate our people.  Protect our people and our sovereignty. Provide access pathways to health care for everyone that don't mean we are all working for healthcare and dropping our dreams and entrepreneurial spirit as a trade-off. Protect our economy from predatory corporations.  And for God's sake, start exploiting the fact that we are a gigantic consumer-based economy.  You want access to our consumers for your goods? Great.  On the people's terms, not the corporations' terms.

 
dfsguy said:
You really think Kasich stands a chance against Hillary? That is cute.
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Absolutely. Voters hate Hillary.  They're looking for a better option.  As of now, the Republicans are doing the Democrats a huge favor by putting up someone even more hateable. And Cruz is hateable AND creepy.  I'm the perfect example. I'd vote for Kasich over Hillary or Bernie. But I'd vote Democrat over Trump or Cruz.  People would love to not be forced into voting for Hillary. You just have to read the polls.

 
dfsguy said:
Bernie is weak on immigration, that is a big no no.
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He's different on immigration.  He isn't weak. He supports as many as 40,000 new border patrol agents and a points-based immigration system that moves the educated, employed, and otherwise contributing immigration applicants to the front of the line.

 
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Henry Ford said:
I'm extremely socially liberal, and fiscally completely pissed off at our priorities.  Fact is, if we can just FIX this crap, we don't need massive taxes to do the things that actually benefit the people of this country.  We do not have to police the world.  We do not have to incarcerate non-violent criminals who are incarcerated for "victimless" crimes.  We do not have to keep providing extra incentives for pharmaceutical companies to screw this country over.

We do have to educate our people.  Protect our people and our sovereignty. Provide access pathways to health care for everyone that don't mean we are all working for healthcare and dropping our dreams and entrepreneurial spirit as a trade-off. Protect our economy from predatory corporations.  And for God's sake, start exploiting the fact that we are a gigantic consumer-based economy.  You want access to our consumers for your goods? Great.  On the people's terms, not the corporations' terms.
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Beautifully said.

 
JuniorNB said:
Absolutely. Voters hate Hillary.  They're looking for a better option.  As of now, the Republicans are doing the Democrats a huge favor by putting up someone even more hateable. And Cruz is hateable AND creepy.  I'm the perfect example. I'd vote for Kasich over Hillary or Bernie. But I'd vote Democrat over Trump or Cruz.  People would love to not be forced into voting for Hillary. You just have to read the polls.
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Kasich has had the benefit of never being the front runner, that is the only reason his why he does good in h2h polling, but that won't last if he is ever the front runner, because the attacks will start to come in from all directions. Trump is the only one that has a chance to win a decent amount of the black votes, and bring out new voters for the first time in years. Kasich will do neither of those.

 
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For Republican supporters who just don't want Hillary - phone bank for Bernie for the big states! Every single vote you change from Hillary to Bernie is twice as effective as if you voted for Bernie yourself in that state.  

 
What a great country we live in where a bunch of strangers on a message board can be at each other's throats for months on end only to come together, if for only one afternoon, to discuss best path to continuing its greatness. 

Cheers

:suds:

 
Put me in the camp of can't stand Hillary and don't see Trump as viable. Bernie Sanders, ok on policy, but not an inspiring guy. So, not sure where to go. Also have voted D & R in the past, based on best choice available.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Put me in the camp of can't stand Hillary and don't see Trump as viable. Bernie Sanders, ok on policy, but not an inspiring guy. So, not sure where to go. Also have voted D & R in the past, based on best choice available.
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This is my sentiment, although I've never voted for a Dem presidential candidate yet (have for governor).

 
Blick said:
What a great country we live in where a bunch of strangers on a message board can be at each other's throats for months on end only to come together, if for only one afternoon, to discuss best path to continuing its greatness. 

Cheers

:suds:
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I can say this - most of the Sanders and Trump supporters I know (and I know a lot of both) want the same things.  They may want them through different paths, but that's why they're all so angry-sounding.  I think it's anger at the fact that if Trump and Sanders supporters just got together behind the same candidate, this country would politically shift into something we would all be proud of.

Most Trump supporters can't get over the fact that the think Bernie is a commie. Most Sanders supporters can't get over the fact that the think Trump is a narcissist who is mostly bluster and doesn't think real issues through.

But I'd estimate that 70% of the supporters themselves that I talk to want mostly the same endgame 

 
dfsguy said:
Kasich has had the benefit of never being the front runner, that is the only reason his why he does good in h2h polling, but that won't last if he is ever the front runner, because the attacks will start to come in from all directions. Trump is the only one that has a chance to win a decent amount of the black votes, and bring out new voters for the first time in years. Kasich will do neither of those.
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Sure, but you are better off putting up an unknown than someone you know isn't good enough. It's like fantasy football. Do you want to draft Vincent Jackson or Will Fulller? They both will likely give you about the same result next year, but at least Fuller there is the unknown, the chance that maybe he can be special. 

 
JuniorNB said:
Absolutely. Voters hate Hillary.  They're looking for a better option.  As of now, the Republicans are doing the Democrats a huge favor by putting up someone even more hateable. And Cruz is hateable AND creepy.  I'm the perfect example. I'd vote for Kasich over Hillary or Bernie. But I'd vote Democrat over Trump or Cruz.  People would love to not be forced into voting for Hillary. You just have to read the polls.
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I'm a Dem. Prefer Bernie over Hilary. Not really much of a Hilary fan at all. But would certainly vote for her over Trump and Cruz. Over Kasich? I'd have to think that one through. I wouldn't say as of today I would vote for Kasich, but it's something I could see myself doing.

 
MattFancy said:
I'm a Dem. Prefer Bernie over Hilary. Not really much of a Hilary fan at all. But would certainly vote for her over Trump and Cruz. Over Kasich? I'd have to think that one through. I wouldn't say as of today I would vote for Kasich, but it's something I could see myself doing.
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This is the thing. Even people who mostly vote Democrat aren't thrilled with Hillary as a person. And some of the accusations against her. If there was ever a year that the moderate/non-party affiliated voter would tend to shy away from the Democratic candidate, it's this year (assuming Hillary wins the nom). People (non-partisan types) put a lot of weight in a person's character. For the Republicans, putting up a guy like Trump would be taking the entire email scandal and any accusations of financial contribution wrong doings and simply giving Hillary a mulligan for them. Trump is widely hated by so many different demographics. Do you think latinos care that Hillary erased emails when he wants them out of the country? Do you think women care where Clinton's foundation got contributions from when Trump calls them pigs, makes fun of their periods and wants them punished if they have an abortion?  All of her shortcomings become null and void if they put Trump up against her. The only ones who will care about them are the ones already supporting Trump.

 
dfsguy said:
This is the funniest post of yours yet

" Ex-Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields said Wednesday she had temporarily moved out of her D.C.-area apartment over safety concerns after Fox News and BuzzFeed accidentally published her address online. "

It's Donald Trumps fault that Fox News and BuzzFeed accidentally posted her address? Anymore post like these and I'll be putting you on ignore.
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Well Breitbart has become a Trump news organ, Fox is definitely infused with his fanbois, and the miscreant animals torturing this girl are plainly Trumpites. It's an either/or, all of the above, or at least definitely the fault of the stalkers.

 
Blick said:
My vote will be cast on April 26th in PA.  Since its a closed primary, I can only vote republican.  Therefore, I'll probably pull the lever for Kasich as Cruz is too conservative for my liking.  Quite honestly, if I could vote for the democratic ticket, I'd probably vote for Bernie as a vote against Hilary.  To me, she represents all that is bad in governments.
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I changed my voter registration to Republican to vote for Kasich in PA.  :thumbup:

 
All politics aside, Kasich simply doesn't have the presence needed to become President.

Honestly, after watching him in interviews and speeches, I'm surprised he was able to be elected Governor.

Right or not, you can't become President without being a good public speaker. And he is anything but that.

 
Skoo said:
All politics aside, Kasich simply doesn't have the presence needed to become President.

Honestly, after watching him in interviews and speeches, I'm surprised he was able to be elected Governor.

Right or not, you can't become President without being a good public speaker. And he is anything but that.
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Even NY state is in play for him vs Hillary, ~-5. People like & trust him.

 
Henry Ford said:
For Republican supporters who just don't want Hillary - phone bank for Bernie for the big states! Every single vote you change from Hillary to Bernie is twice as effective as if you voted for Bernie yourself in that state.  
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If anyone wins besides Trump the middle class will continue to get devoured by illegal immigration and or free trade. The big donors that want to keep destroying the middle class for their own financial gain are scared of Trump because they don't own him. They know Trump would put American's first with his nationalist attitude and they NEED a globalist to win like Hillary, so you'll even see Republican donors prefer Hillary over Trump for that very reason. These people control the media (fox news talk radio etc) they send out the marching orders against Trump and these people(levin, Rush, Kelly etc) manipulate the voters that don't have the desire or time to fact check every hit piece put out on Trump that is mostly BS.

As for Kasich, whenever I hear him talk about illegal immigration and he says think of the children the only thought that goes through my mind is "Puppet for the donors that want cheap labor, he's a cuck"

It is Trump or bust for me, and no matter how many fabricated stories the media puts out I won't change my mind on that.

 
Skoo said:
All politics aside, Kasich simply doesn't have the presence needed to become President.

Honestly, after watching him in interviews and speeches, I'm surprised he was able to be elected Governor.

Right or not, you can't become President without being a good public speaker. And he is anything but that.
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George W was elected twice. 

 
Ilov80s said:
George W was elected twice. 
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Funny, I thought about that while typing that post, but even he had a much better stage presence than Kasich. Don't get me wrong, I agree that he's the only somewhat moderate Republican running so if I were forced to choose a Republican to be President, it would definitely be him.

He just doesn't have "it". Like, at all.

 
Blick said:
That's it, I'm out.  I'm off the Trump train. 

I see our government as broken.  Between pandering to the extremist in both parties, obstructionism and do-nothingness in congress, and economic stagnation in the middle class, I looked at Trump's campaign as a sort of peaceful civil war.  He's an outsider that is not afraid to take on all-comers.  Someone that may have been able to use the leverage granted him as POTUS to reach across the aisle (just think, not long ago this was on both the Dems and Reps basic platform) and start to press congress to govern based on the good of their constituents and not their party.  I wish someone more qualified, or more third party'ish would have taken up this torch, but as my dad always says, "sometimes you have to piss with the peter you got".

Because of all this, I was willing to overlook many of the gaffes he's made by chalking them up to inexperience and lack of polish.  I didn't care if he didn't understood many of the things we expect our President to know because, as an outsider, there was going to need to be some on the job training. 

The real shame is that I think he had the primary, and maybe even the general, locked up after Super Tuesday.  His news conference that night was brilliant.  He was in control, professional, and presidential.  All he had to do was take the high road to the white house.  He couldn't do it. He didn't even try to do it. 

He didn't study up on basic issues.  He didn't stop re-tweeting ignorant information.  He continued personal attacks on Cruz and his wife.  All unacceptable.  He's lost me.

I'm assuming he has little chance to win the nomination now.  Therefore, the question becomes, is all of this just going to be swept under the rug by the republican party, or will its leaders start to understand the issues that made Donald so popular.

Immigration - Immigration reform is way over-do.  Regardless of the final bill, as long as it shores up the border, I don't see how it won't pass.

Middle Class - Trade, taxes, education, etc., etc., etc., as they relate to the middle class need to be brought to the forefront.  I'm a strong believer that this country works best when there's a strong middle class.  Both parties will say it, but neither will act on it.  Its all about the (middle class) economy stupid!

Military Inventions - I'm growing increasingly tired of my tax dollars being spent on policing the world when our infrastructure and education system are in shambles. 

Campaign Finance - Corporate campaign financing and the potential corruption it causes has to be addressed.  I'm feeling the bern on this one.

My vote will be cast on April 26th in PA.  Since its a closed primary, I can only vote republican.  Therefore, I'll probably pull the lever for Kasich as Cruz is too conservative for my liking.  Quite honestly, if I could vote for the democratic ticket, I'd probably vote for Bernie as a vote against Hilary.  To me, she represents all that is bad in governments today.

Now, I'm still on the platform and the train hasn't left.  I can be won back, but he's going to have to earn it.
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I applaud you for your honesty and moment of enlightenment.  

That's one down.  Who's next?

 
Skoo said:
You keep mentioning these "fabricated stories the media puts out".

Care to share a few with us?
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michelle fields hoax, taking trump's answer on abortion out of context, labeling him a racist, blaming Trump and Trump supporters when protesters shut down free speech, saying Trump was getting his supporters at a rally to do a nazi salute. I could go on but i think you get the point.

 
I think Kasich would have a decent chance against Hillary in a one on one matchup.

But it won't be a one on one matchup because if Kasich or Cruz or somebody else somehow becomes the nominee, it's not like Donald Trump is going to ride off into the sunset.

 
dfsguy said:
If anyone wins besides Trump the middle class will continue to get devoured by illegal immigration and or free trade. The big donors that want to keep destroying the middle class for their own financial gain are scared of Trump because they don't own him. They know Trump would put American's first with his nationalist attitude and they NEED a globalist to win like Hillary, so you'll even see Republican donors prefer Hillary over Trump for that very reason. These people control the media (fox news talk radio etc) they send out the marching orders against Trump and these people(levin, Rush, Kelly etc) manipulate the voters that don't have the desire or time to fact check every hit piece put out on Trump that is mostly BS.

As for Kasich, whenever I hear him talk about illegal immigration and he says think of the children the only thought that goes through my mind is "Puppet for the donors that want cheap labor, he's a cuck"

It is Trump or bust for me, and no matter how many fabricated stories the media puts out I won't change my mind on that.
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Bernie and Trump aren't so far apart on free trade.  And really, not as much as either would like to think on immigration.  A vote for 40,000 more border patrol agents in the Senate is nothing to sneeze at - Sanders just wants to get people who are already here out of the shadows (and into our legitimate wage system.)

 
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