massraider
Footballguy
Come on, you really aren't better than this? There needs to be one halfway decent Trumpallo here.Exactly. You're a coward. Good look on you.
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Well, I think "it's complete and utter nonsense" that someone would deem it murder. Yeah "nothing ridiculous with that position."Well I commend you for at least being brave enough to give an answer. Now as to that answer...
It's complete and utter nonsense. You want to absolve women of any responsibility for murdering an innocent human because of the guilt and suffering they'd likely experience? Yeah, nothing ridiculous with that position.
See how that works.
massraider
Footballguy
Arguing a position even the pro-lifers aren't arguing.
No one argues that position, this is a complete waste of time. no chance of it ever becoming any kind of law, so why bother.
Only people that argue that position are dummies that get led down a path by Chris Matthews.
No one argues that position, this is a complete waste of time. no chance of it ever becoming any kind of law, so why bother.
Only people that argue that position are dummies that get led down a path by Chris Matthews.
Higgs
Footballguy
You already forgot. This whole exercise is postulated on the hypothetical that the laws have been changed - along with underlying consensus in the country - so that abortion is now illegal and thus murder.Well, I think "it's complete and utter nonsense" that someone would deem it murder. Yeah "nothing ridiculous with that position."
See how that works.
Starting to understand how ridiculous the whole Trump controversy was?
The General
Footballguy
I think the premise of the question is ridiculous. We aren't going back. To then say you would arrest the women is disgusting.
The General
Footballguy
Are we just moving on from the NATO troops thing?
I enjoy when Trump fans explain Trumps daily missteps.
I enjoy when Trump fans explain Trumps daily missteps.
Higgs
Footballguy
I'm sure there are a few people out there who'd argue that murder of an innocent fetus is disgusting, but that's another issue. If we are talking about the hypothetical that Trump was posed with - a world where abortion is now illegal - then the woman absolutely needs to be punished. There is no intellectual gymnastics one could do to escape that reality.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I think the whole thing is an exercise in futility and based on what ifs that don't exist.
I am a Trump supporter, but I am strongly pro-choice. That was one of the things that drew me to him was I believed he had already made his position on the issue known and I figured if he got the GOP nomination, he would have maintained his previously stated opinion. I would say that is why I was so disappointed in his flip-flopping on the issue earlier in the week.,
This is why politics is so frustrating. I am pro-choice--well the Republicans don't want me. I am for less government hand-outs--well the Dems don't want me. I am for exploring alternative energy options--well the GOP doesn't want me. .I am pro-gun--well the Dems don't want me. It goes on and on. Just
I am a Trump supporter, but I am strongly pro-choice. That was one of the things that drew me to him was I believed he had already made his position on the issue known and I figured if he got the GOP nomination, he would have maintained his previously stated opinion. I would say that is why I was so disappointed in his flip-flopping on the issue earlier in the week.,
This is why politics is so frustrating. I am pro-choice--well the Republicans don't want me. I am for less government hand-outs--well the Dems don't want me. I am for exploring alternative energy options--well the GOP doesn't want me. .I am pro-gun--well the Dems don't want me. It goes on and on. Just
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The bigger issue with the abortion statement IMO is how quickly he backtracked and flip flopped. How does someone leading the GOP primary in April not have a clear position and ready answer for abortion questions. It's a further sign of his total unpreparedness for the job.
So you think that a change in the law will suddenly make everyone believe that aborting a fetus is murder? That's where the disconnect is.
Higgs
Footballguy
Agree 100% with everything you said, court. I was hoping Trump would find a place for my views within the political system, but his mistakes are making that less likely.I think the whole thing is an exercise in futility and based on what ifs that don't exist.
I am a Trump supporter, but I am strongly pro-choice. That was one of the things that drew me to him was I believed he had already made his position on the issue known and I figured if he got the GOP nomination, he would have maintained his previously stated opinion. I would say that is why I was so disappointed in his flip-flopping on the issue earlier in the week.,
This is why politics is so frustrating. I am pro-choice--well the Republicans don't want me. I am for less government hand-outs--well the Dems don't want me. I am for exploring alternative energy options--well the GOP doesn't want me. .I am pro-gun--well the Dems don't want me. It goes on and on. Just
The General
Footballguy
I don't feel like discussing abortion on an Internet forum is a good idea. Trump has definitely shown he's not up to this type of nuanced, thoughtful discussion.
For him to get trapped and make comments that he clearly IMO is not equipped to discuss is just another example of why he would be an awful president.
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Higgs
Footballguy
I agree with General that it was a ridiculous hypothetical. In order for it to happen (abortion being made illegal) there would have to be a consensus in Smerica that aborting a fetus is murder. And I agree - that ain't happening. Not in this country. Not now.
The General
Footballguy
I would like to hear the NATO comments hashed out from one of our Trumpublicans.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
But if you believe strongly in a position, why not defend it? "I believe abortion is murder and when I'm President I will work to make it illegal."
What kind of defeatist attitude is "a consensus ain't happening"?? That's just a form of appeasement, isn't it? Anti-exceptionalism at its finest.
The General
Footballguy
Besides the NATO spin which I'd still like to see explained how do Trump fans believe a guy who claims he'll get everything done by making "good deals" consistently gets boxed in by reporters whenever he has a back and forth discussion for more than a few minutes.
Higgs
Footballguy
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Coincidentally, so is he. He's just doing a horrific job of playing the role of a pro-lifer right now.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Higgs
Footballguy
I wouldn't say it's consistently. I don't think you guys fully comprehend how much he talks to the media, and how much they are out to get him. Chris Matthews is a ####### punk for trapping Trump in a ridiculous hypothetical like that. It serves no purpose other than to trap Trump and make him look bad. Trump gets this 24x7. When you are this open to the media, and anti-PC to boot, you are going to have missteps. It's unavoidable. Personally I think Trump erred this week in stepping back from his original abortion comments to Matthews. I think he should have stayed with his original comment and screw the Conservative backlash.
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Higgs
Footballguy
Higgs
Footballguy
Did Trump say they don't play a role? Or did he say that the alliance needs to be revisited, especially the issue of more money coming to the United States for the protections it provides?
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Where? I can't find where you replied to Ilov80s at all, and your response to scooter was the equivalent of, "I love lamp."
The General
Footballguy
at Trump getting this. They say Clinton killed people, Obama wasn't born in this country (well that was Trump mostly) etc. G TFO with that.What do you guys think part of this job requires? You can't "speak honestly" as you put it, and not have people ask for follow up. You can't troll all day lapping up the coverage then get butthurt when they attack you.
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Poor Trump getting mistreated by big meany Chris Matthews. Asking him questions and stuff.
massraider
Footballguy
That's to the right of Huckabee.
There are probably some pro-lifers that loved that position. But people that want Republicans getting elected don't like that one little bit. Because that's the kind of dumb sheet that get people to completely cast their vote the other way.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
It's quite funny watching the right feign shock whenever Trump overtly takes a position that they have subtly backed for decades with coded language. In this specific case, I do believe that the majority of those who are pro-life likely don't want to punished the woman but to pretend this is the absolute consensus on the right is a joke. This is doubly true for banning Muslims from entering the country, deporting all illegal immigrants and etc. I feel like every time I turn on the news I see some republican stooge pretending that they haven't specifically aided in cultivating this movement.
massraider
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
He got caught talking out of his ### plain and simple.
The General
Footballguy
"Speaking honestly" doesn't mean you cannot be called out for sounding like an idiot.
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Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/02/transcript-donald-trump-interview-with-bob-woodward-and-robert-costa/
Transcript of interview with Washington Post. This guy:
He has very successful friends.
Transcript of interview with Washington Post. This guy:
He has very successful friends. Sacrifice, people. Sacrifice.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
General, I agree with you that Trump should be able to handle someone like Matthews without blinking an eye. And I have to tell you this is another area of disappointment I had with Trump this week. His performance at the town hall was disjointed, embarrassing, you name it. He is not preparing for these events and thinks he can just wing everything and it is an insult to every one who is supporting him when he performs like he did.
That being said (and I know the left disagrees with me) the media has been engaging in gotcha journalism with Trump since day one. There are questions asked of him that are clearly trap questions, where you can tell the journalist actually had to research the question before they ask him. On the flip side, the other candidates get softball questions or questions about Trump.
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The General
Footballguy
We'll have to agree to disagree on media treatment of these guys. They try and dump on all of them.
cstu
Footballguy
What is wrong with "I personally feel abortion is murder but the courts have ruled that abortion is Constitutional and a majority of people want to keep it legal so won't do anything to change it"?
James Daulton
Footballguy
Watching some Trump reports interviewed about the missteps The Donald's made lately, the theme all of them gave for their primary reason for supporting him was that he speaks his mind and is honest.
Have we really fallen so far as a country in either our faith in politicians, or in our intellectual demands from our politicians, that "speaking one's mind" is a reason to vote for them to be president? Really?
I'm really starting to think Mike Judge is freaking Nostradamus.
Have we really fallen so far as a country in either our faith in politicians, or in our intellectual demands from our politicians, that "speaking one's mind" is a reason to vote for them to be president? Really?
I'm really starting to think Mike Judge is freaking Nostradamus.
[scooter]
Footballguy
And you think this is solely due to some kind of anti-Trump bias? If so, how do you explain the source and reason for that bias? Because the "gotcha" questions are coming from pretty much every news organization (including Fox).
massraider
Footballguy
No, I agree with Courtjester that he gets more of the gotcha stuff.
But that's for two reasons:
1. He's leading.
2. Frankly, he falls for it.
Which is actually a waste of time on the part of the media. Because there's no reason to aste time on this dumb Chris Matthews stunt, when there's so much other dumb Trumpisms to cover.
The wall. That freaking wall. This alone should bury him. John Oliver showed video of this Circus Peanut (that is the exact hue, by the way) changing his answer on cost from $4 billion to $12 billion. No coverage. People should just be pounding him on his dumb foreign policy answers that are making every other world leader go like this:
But that's for two reasons:
1. He's leading.
2. Frankly, he falls for it.
Which is actually a waste of time on the part of the media. Because there's no reason to aste time on this dumb Chris Matthews stunt, when there's so much other dumb Trumpisms to cover.
The wall. That freaking wall. This alone should bury him. John Oliver showed video of this Circus Peanut (that is the exact hue, by the way) changing his answer on cost from $4 billion to $12 billion. No coverage. People should just be pounding him on his dumb foreign policy answers that are making every other world leader go like this:
Higgs
Footballguy
Correction. He got caught saying something that makes complete sense to anyone with a brain. Still haven't heard you refute his point.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I feel in a lot of ways the media feels guilty for giving Trump so much attention and building him up, that they know also feel a responsibility to tear him down. He has gone from underdog to lead dog.No, I agree with Courtjester that he gets more of the gotcha stuff.
But that's for two reasons:
1. He's leading.
2. Frankly, he falls for it.
Which is actually a waste of time on the part of the media. Because there's no reason to aste time on this dumb Chris Matthews stunt, when there's so much other dumb Trumpisms to cover.
The wall. That freaking wall. This alone should bury him. John Oliver showed video of this Circus Peanut (that is the exact hue, by the way) changing his answer on cost from $4 billion to $12 billion. No coverage. People should just be pounding him on his dumb foreign policy answers that are making every other world leader go like this:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
And then the guy who says what's on his mind and doesn't play PC games immediately began flopping on his answer like a fish out of water. So, either he got shook and decided he does need to play PC politics or he was 7 months from the Presidential election without any understanding of where he actually stood on abortion or he is lying about his political views on abortion and got his lies mixed up. 2 of those expose him as a politician just everyone else and not the honest speak his mind outsider he has billed himself as. The other just makes him seem incompetent and ill-prepared.
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Higgs
Footballguy
Link to the speech or position paper where Trump said the wall would cost $4 billion?No, I agree with Courtjester that he gets more of the gotcha stuff.
But that's for two reasons:
1. He's leading.
2. Frankly, he falls for it.
Which is actually a waste of time on the part of the media. Because there's no reason to aste time on this dumb Chris Matthews stunt, when there's so much other dumb Trumpisms to cover.
The wall. That freaking wall. This alone should bury him. John Oliver showed video of this Circus Peanut (that is the exact hue, by the way) changing his answer on cost from $4 billion to $12 billion. No coverage. People should just be pounding him on his dumb foreign policy answers that are making every other world leader go like this:
shadyridr
Footballguy
It's a backlash to the absurdity of political correctness we have encountered in recent years. I get it but I agree it's a terrible reason to vote for president.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I really don't know what his stance is because it has changed often over the years and the past few days. Very Hillary-esque of this guy who "speaks the truth". So I do think it's fair to say that he was speaking out of his ### and got caught.
So I'll go with that if elected he will appoint judges and do all he can to make abortions illegal. Then I'll accept that this guy will then arrest women. Excellent candidate.
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