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Official Donald Trump for President thread (5 Viewers)

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TheMagus said:
I know there is a lot of BS that goes on when you are wealthy and own businesses. But is it normal for someone in his position to be sued this much?
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No, it's not normal. He'll put his name on literally anything to make a buck, is childishly and unnecessarily combative, and is a complete attention whore who loves to see his name in print for any reason. He's far more Kardashian-like as opposed to a typical business mogul.

 
TheMagus said:
I know there is a lot of BS that goes on when you are wealthy and own businesses. But is it normal for someone in his position to be sued this much?
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Yes and no.  Contractors sue rich developers (and vice versa) all the time since no one is ever happy with the other party.  It's just part of the price of doing business (though Trump is notoriously litigious here as well and lots of people in NYC won't do business, including some of the worlds biggest banks, with him) 

The TrumpU, not returning golf deposits, vitamin stuff is clearly out of the mainstream. 

 
timschochet said:
And yet I give him about a 30% chance of winning. Lots of people are attracted to his message.
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Nope. Hillary will get the normal post-convention bump and his numbers will continue to sink as he flounders when pressed on literally any issue. Plus the attack ads -- he's said more utterly stupid stuff, and flip-flopped on every issue, and the anti-women and anti-minority stuff than any major political figure in history, all of which will be mined effectively for 30 and 60 second spots. Then debates and stuff. This will be 100% over, and very obviously so, by early fall at the latest. Barring an economic meltdown or a terrorist attack on American soil -- and even then he'd probably still lose.

 
Jackstraw said:
Yeah he's going to get the slow drip on a week to week basis. Death by a thousand cuts. Plus whatever imebecility he commits on his own between now and then. I think he will lose his flipping mind during the debates.  
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Really, really looking forward to this. The reactions in here after will be great, too, with all of the Trumpkins claiming victory due to the name calling and empty sloganeering despite him getting eviscerated on policy. If twelve year-olds could vote, he might actually have a chance.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Really, really looking forward to this. The reactions in here after will be great, too, with all of the Trumpkins claiming victory due to the name calling and empty sloganeering despite him getting eviscerated on policy. If twelve year-olds could vote, he might actually have a chance.
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My 11 year old thinks he is a dope.

 
Jackstraw said:
Yeah he's going to get the slow drip on a week to week basis. Death by a thousand cuts. Plus whatever imebecility he commits on his own between now and then. I think he will lose his flipping mind during the debates.  
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I hope they save most of the attacks until after he's officially nominated.  I understand there's already talk among some Republicans about changing convention rules so they can nominate someone else.  I don't think it would take much more for them to pull the trigger. 

 
sho nuff said:
My 11 year old thinks he is a dope.
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My eleven year old was legitimately worried that her Mexican-American friend was going to be sent away if he won. Really pisses me off that my kid has to be exposed to his garbage -- I go out of my way to make sure that the political nonsense isn't on TV / radio / etc at home, but they're talking about it at school. He's doing damage to the country just by running.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
My eleven year old was legitimately worried that her Mexican-American friend was going to be sent away if he won. Really pisses me off that my kid has to be exposed to his garbage -- I go out of my way to make sure that the political nonsense isn't on TV / radio / etc at home, but they're talking about it at school. He's doing damage to the country just by running.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Nope. Hillary will get the normal post-convention bump and his numbers will continue to sink as he flounders when pressed on literally any issue. Plus the attack ads -- he's said more utterly stupid stuff, and flip-flopped on every issue, and the anti-women and anti-minority stuff than any major political figure in history, all of which will be mined effectively for 30 and 60 second spots. Then debates and stuff. This will be 100% over, and very obviously so, by early fall at the latest. Barring an economic meltdown or a terrorist attack on American soil -- and even then he'd probably still lose.
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I think your post is right except for the event or events most likely to shift the public toward Trump.  

If there are significant riots by Left-wing protesters at the Republican National Convention, Democratic National Convention, and throughout the summer, that could potentially shift enough Independents and moderates to the Right for Trump to win.  It's not implausible given the chaos that we've been seeing in California, and the rhetoric from Left-wing protesters that they plan to continue this course of action throughout the summer and at the conventions.

The Democrat Party dominated the political landscape in the mid-60s.  Then the Left-wing protests at the Chicago DNC in '68 and the riots that consumed numerous American cities throughout the mid and late 60s drove Independent and moderate Americans to the Right.  This helped Nixon win the '68 election.  Starting in that '68 election, Republicans won five out of the next six Presidential elections.

The tide has obviously turned back to the Democrats in Presidential elections, but it's plausible that, like '68, we could see a shift to the Right if riots get out of control.  Americans don't have a taste for political violence.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
I thought I did...sorry..
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Well, one person made what appeared to be a logical guess only to have you say that he was wrong. You've made two subsequent posts without taking the opportunity to explain yourself. Do you have a problem speaking plainly? Simple English for those of who don't speak Trump.

 
sho nuff said:
My 11 year old thinks he is a dope.
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Mine too.  I'll have it on TV, but I haven't really talked to her about any of it.  She just sees him talking and wonders 'what the hell is wrong with that guy'.  He's the opposite of everything they're taught in school (and by us) about bullying and being respectful of others. 

 
Gary Coal Man said:
I think your post is right except for the event or events most likely to shift the public toward Trump.  

If there are significant riots by Left-wing protesters at the Republican National Convention, Democratic National Convention, and throughout the summer, that could potentially shift enough Independents and moderates to the Right for Trump to win.  It's not implausible given the chaos that we've been seeing in California, and the rhetoric from Left-wing protesters that they plan to continue this course of action throughout the summer and at the conventions.

The Democrat Party dominated the political landscape in the mid-60s.  Then the Left-wing protests at the Chicago DNC in '68 and the riots that consumed numerous American cities throughout the mid and late 60s drove Independent and moderate Americans to the Right.  This helped Nixon win the '68 election.  Starting in that '68 election, Republicans won five out of the next six Presidential elections.

The tide has obviously turned back to the Democrats in Presidential elections, but it's plausible that, like '68, we could see a shift to the Right if riots get out of control.  Americans don't have a taste for political violence.
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Agree with some of this, but the demographic landscape of the country has changed so much since that time period. Even a strong Republican candidate faces an uphill battle given the current electoral map, and the path to victory was made abundantly clear in 2012 -- win over Hispanic voters, who tend to have more traditionally conservative views anyway. Trump is pretty uniquely toxic to a broad slice of the American electorate.

 
Card Trader said:
:lmao:

Sounds like you need to do a better job parenting and talking to your kid about the difference between an illegal and a citizen.  
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Right, because those are concepts that are appropriate to discuss with elementary school kids. We've taught her that everyone is deserving of respect, regardless of immigration status. And your chosen candidate is a blatant bigot -- it's not limited to illegals, guy. He's an utter POS of a human being. And you want him as President, but I'm the one who needs to do a better job at something?

 
Jeremy said:
Mine too.  I'll have it on TV, but I haven't really talked to her about any of it.  She just sees him talking and wonders 'what the hell is wrong with that guy'.  He's the opposite of everything they're taught in school (and by us) about bullying and being respectful of others. 
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Same here...he also wonders why Hillary is always yelling.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Right, because those are concepts that are appropriate to discuss with elementary school kids. We've taught her that everyone is deserving of respect, regardless of immigration status. And your chosen candidate is a blatant bigot -- it's not limited to illegals, guy. He's an utter POS of a human being. And you want him as President, but I'm the one who needs to do a better job at something?
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Don't get angry because you are a bad parent, just try to fix it.  And yes, this would have been a perfect time for you to sit with your child and talk to them about people coming to this Country and basically stealing from the American people, and why this particular candidate wants to send them back to their Country, not actual citizens....which is how you described your kid's friend.

 
Well, he does call American born judges haters and want to deny them the ability to do their job because of his own foolishness.

Also...bad parent?  But nearly getting into fights at Trump rallies in front of a young child was applauded because it was two different Trump supporters that it supposedly by a opened...right?

 
sho nuff said:
Well, he does call American born judges haters and want to deny them the ability to do their job because of his own foolishness.

Also...bad parent?  But nearly getting into fights at Trump rallies in front of a young child was applauded because it was two different Trump supporters that it supposedly by a opened...right?
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Pretty ironic that this makes zero sense at all.  Still struggling with communication huh, sport?

 
Card Trader said:
Don't get angry because you are a bad parent, just try to fix it.  And yes, this would have been a perfect time for you to sit with your child and talk to them about people coming to this Country and basically stealing from the American people, and why this particular candidate wants to send them back to their Country, not actual citizens....which is how you described your kid's friend.
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Yeah, I'm pretty confident that I don't need parenting lessons from a Trump supporter, thanks. You support a guy that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell blasted as a racist this week. Pretty sure I'm not the one on shaky moral ground in this conversation.

 
Card Trader said:
Pretty ironic that this makes zero sense at all.  Still struggling with communication huh, sport?
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It makes perfect sense...you all apllauded two posters that nearly got into fights with Hispanics at Trump rallies...right in front of their children

But then you try to insult someone calling them a bad parent as you did here.

Its not my fault you struggle with reading g comprehension.  Goes well with your struggles with vocabulary.

 
I noticed Card Trader takes a break for a few days when the really indefensible stuff comes out...

Gonna be a tough few months for that guy.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident that I don't need parenting lessons from a Trump supporter, thanks. You support a guy that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell blasted as a racist this week. Pretty sure I'm not the one on shaky moral ground in this conversation.
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Sorry, as someone said earlier, the truth hurts...doesn't it?  Don't be afraid to talk to your kids.

 
sho nuff said:
It makes perfect sense...you all apllauded two posters that nearly got into fights with Hispanics at Trump rallies...right in front of their children

But then you try to insult someone calling them a bad parent as you did here.

Its not my fault you struggle with reading g comprehension.  Goes well with your struggles with vocabulary.
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IRONIC.

Link of me applauding posters getting in a fight at Trump rally?

If you look at the bolded sentence you'll see that like most of your posts, it's complete gibberish. Go back to the Shark Pool, it's more your speed.

 
Card Trader said:
Sorry, as someone said earlier, the truth hurts...doesn't it?  Don't be afraid to talk to your kids.
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Yeah OK. I really hope that you don't have kids.

My daughters are naive, sure. They're both shocked and hurt when they're exposed to the bigotry in the world. They genuinely don't understand it. We've raised them to accept everyone regardless of their race, religion, gender identity, etc. I'm more than OK with their innocence on this issue and will protect it for as long as I can; they're still in elelmentary school. There will be plenty of time to grow some harder bark later. The idea of exposing a 7 and 11 year old to Trump's ugliness is pretty much as bad as Trump himself.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Agree with some of this, but the demographic landscape of the country has changed so much since that time period. Even a strong Republican candidate faces an uphill battle given the current electoral map, and the path to victory was made abundantly clear in 2012 -- win over Hispanic voters, who tend to have more traditionally conservative views anyway. Trump is pretty uniquely toxic to a broad slice of the American electorate.
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How long do you continue with a strategy before being honest that it doesn't work?

Besides, the naturally or traditionally Conservative Latino cliche is largely a myth.

Myth Buster: Latinos Are Not "Natural Conservatives" (The American Prospect)

But a recent poll from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) confirms what data geeks have been saying for years: The Latinos-are-conservatives-at-heart idea is little more than Republican myth-making. Not only does this constituency strongly identify with Democrats on the key social issues that matter to movement conservatives—abortion and same-sex marriage—they are more liberal than most Americans. And hardworking or not, Latinos are concerned with rising inequality and favor public investment in the economy. All this is bad news for those who think the GOP is a rebrand away from cashing in on a Latino giveaway. “Republicans clearly have a serious brand and issue platform problem among Hispanics,” says PRRI CEO Robert Jones.

The argument that Latinos are natural conservatives rests on the fact that this group is more religious than the population at large, and that religiosity correlates with Republican Party affiliation. Indeed, according to the PRRI study, 53 percent of Latinos identify as Catholic, 25 percent as Protestant, and 12 percent are religiously unaffiliated. But while the GOP has branded itself as the home of the faithful, the correlation between religiosity and affiliation with the Republican Party only holds for white voters. The latest Gallup numbers show 62 percent of "very religious" whites identify as Republicans, but this number shrinks to 25 percent for Hispanics. A mere 9 percent of very religious blacks identify as Republicans. 

Why the divergence? Religiosity does not consistently translate with policy preferences. PRRI found that a solid majority (55 percent) of Hispanics favor allowing gay and lesbian Americans to marry. That compares with 54 percent of Americans overall who hold this view. On abortion, this constituency is slightly more conservative: Fifty-two percent say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases while 48 percent say their opinion on abortion depends on the circumstances. 

The Unraveling of the Latino Conservative Myth (The National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health)

Although the Mexican Supreme Court ruling strengthens the legal arguments for same sex marriage in both the United States and in other parts of Latin America, this decision is exciting because it contradicts the unconsciously accepted idea that all Latinos are conservative.  And it’s not that Latinos are socially liberal just on same sex marriage (55% percent of Latinos support it), but that we support a wide range of social justice issues.  In Maryland, Latinos voted for both marriage equality and for their state’s DREAM Act.  In Florida, with our awesome partners, Mi Lola, we defeated Amendment 6 which would have further restricted insurance coverage for abortions.  In fact, we knew that we would defeat legislation like Amendment 6 because of a study we conducted a few years ago.  In partnership with Lake Research Partners and Reproductive Health Technologies Project, we found that 74% of Latino registered voters agree that a woman has a right to make her own personal decisions about abortion without political interference and that 67% would support close friends and family members who choose to have one.

Five myths about Latino voters (Washington Post)

2. Latinos are social conservatives who should lean Republican.

Although Latinos are more conservative than many other groups in their views on same-sex marriage and abortion, these issues do not predict the party they affiliate with.

Nationally, Latinos identify more as Democrats than as Republicans by more than 3 to 1, according to the Pew Research Center. The Democratic advantage is even higher in states such as New York and New Jersey. And there are variations among Hispanic groups; this is not a monolithic voting bloc. Puerto Ricans identify more as Democrats than do Mexican Americans, for example.

Cuban Americans are the only group of Hispanic origin to prefer the Republican Party, though their attachment to the GOP is declining. For example, in South Florida’s Miami-Dade County, where approximately half of all Cuban Americans in the country reside, Republican identification among that group dropped from 68.5 percent in 2004 to 59 percent in 2008. Cuban American Republicans are more likely to say they are “pro-choice” and are more supportive of government-provided health care than Mexican American Democrats.

 
Jeremy said:
Mine too.  I'll have it on TV, but I haven't really talked to her about any of it.  She just sees him talking and wonders 'what the hell is wrong with that guy'.  He's the opposite of everything they're taught in school (and by us) about bullying and being respectful of others. 
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My 7 yo daughter "He looks mean".

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Yeah OK. I really hope that you don't have kids.

My daughters are naive, sure. They're both shocked and hurt when they're exposed to the bigotry in the world. They genuinely don't understand it. We've raised them to accept everyone regardless of their race, religion, gender identity, etc. I'm more than OK with their innocence on this issue and will protect it for as long as I can; they're still in elelmentary school. There will be plenty of time to grow some harder bark later. The idea of exposing a 7 and 11 year old to Trump's ugliness is pretty much as bad as Trump himself.
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Again...they ARE exposed to it, by your own admission they were worried about it. Perfect time to set the record straight and explain the difference. 

 
bananafish said:
Maybe because it's so believable?

I'll admit I haven't read every page of this thread but my apologies for not having seen it before.

Anyways, I'll take my lumps. My bad for posting something fake.
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I don't know about this thread but I see it on FB on a regular basis.

 
Rick James said:
Donald wants a wall= racist

Hillary wants a wall= **crickets**
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Yeah it's a bit stunning. There is plenty to attack Trump on (even more now with the ridiculous Judge comments), but building a wall shouldn't be on the list.

The disappointing thing for most of us Trump supporters is we truly believed he'd move to the middle and become more Presidential once he got the nom, but he's doubled down on the outbursts and comments.  A lot of us have become a bit disenchanted and I think a lot of Trump supporters may abstain on election night if it continues.  Not sure why he can't stick to the platform of a wall, cleaning up illegal immigration and pointing out the numerous flaws of Hillary Clinton, that should be enough to win.

 
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