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IndyHavoc said:
What Spygate tape?

What Ray Rice tape?

NFL head office...a beacon of truth, honesty, and transparency.
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Well, one of them is a liar. Either a letter exists or it doesn't. The NFL has an out however. They can say, 'we told the truth, we didn't write a letter, we typed it', if Trump produces it.

 
Zerp said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-complains-debates-conflicting-nfl-games/story?id=41026741

Trump told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos: "I got a letter from the NFL saying, 'This is ridiculous. Why are the debates against --,' because the NFL doesn't want to go against the debates."

An NFL spokesman said in a statement, however, "We did not write a letter."
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Seems pretty easy for donald to produce this letter to prove this isn't another thing he is lying about.

Starting to understand why he gets sued so much.

 
I'm on a roll with my Donald Trump predictions these days. Here come the serious questions about whether he is mentally ill, specifically Narcissistic Personality Disorder:


 


Is Donald Trump OK? Erratic behaviour raises mental health questions


As his behaviour grows more bizarre, more and more analysts are asking if there’s something off with the Republican candidate.


WASHINGTON—There is an elephant in the election.

It was tiptoed around for a full year by Republicans and Democrats and the media alike. And then, on Wednesday, Michael Bloomberg hoisted it onto the stage of the Democratic National Convention.

His plea for Hillary Clinton: “Let’s elect a sane, competent person.”

The compliment barely disguised an extraordinary allegation. The billionaire former mayor of New York City was suggesting that Donald Trump is not sane himself.

Bloomberg’s remark was a sign of a quiet shift over the last month in the mainstream discussion of the Republican presidential nominee. Once unmentionable, questions about Trump’s mental health have started to bubble into respectable American forums as he has inched closer to the nuclear codes of the world’s mightiest military while behaving stranger than ever.
It’s a delicate thing to ask, but the fate of humankind is at stake. Is Donald Trump … OK?

“Donald Trump is not of sound mind,” conservative Stephen Hayes wrote two weeks ago in the Weekly Standard.

“Have we stopped to appreciate how crazy Donald Trump has gotten recently?” liberal Ezra Klein wrote last week on Vox.

He “appears haunted by multiple personality disorders,” conservative David Brooks wrote last week in the New York Times.

“We can gloss over it, laugh about it, analyze it, but Donald Trump is not a well man,” Stuart Stevens, chief strategist to Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign, wrote last week on Twitter.

Stevens, the most prominent political figure to persistently broach the subject, conceded that he is “no doctor or psychiatrist.” But he said in an interview that the available evidence leads to two possible conclusions: either Trump has a substance abuse problem, which appears unlikely, or “there is something definitely off about him.”

“At best, this is a very damaged person,” Stevens said. “And there’s probably something more serious going on.”

Trump’s campaign vehemently disagrees.

“I’m sure you saw Mr. Trump’s medical report released in December of last year, which described him as perhaps the healthiest individual to ever be elected President (paraphrasing) — I refer you to that,” spokeswoman Hope Hicks said in an email.
But that brief report explicitly addressed only phy

sical matters like blood pressure, not mental health. And its extreme grandiosity, unprecedented in a campaign medical report, was precisely the kind of eyebrower-raiser that has caused apprehension about his stability.

He boasts of his own unparalleled magnificence. He creates and promotes wild conspiracy theories. He tells easily disprovable lies. He fails to finish sentences before he gets distracted by unrelated thoughts. He appears to fly into a wounded rage at mild criticism.


His conduct this summer has been even more erratic than his conduct before. At a rally early last month, Trump became distracted and then angered by a mosquito. At a rally on Thursday, he ranted about his desire to “hit” Bloomberg. When a fire marshal stopped letting people into a rally on Friday, Trump baselessly accused him of being a Clinton agent.

“Trump is crazy. And you can’t fix crazy,” Kevin Sheekey, a Bloomberg adviser, told The New York Times on Thursday.

The armchair pathologizing, and breezy use of the C-word, has upset disabled people and their advocates. David Perry, a disability rights journalist, said that “the casual association of behaviour we find objectionable or erratic with mental illness spreads stigma.”

“He’s a liar, he’s a bigot, he makes bad decisions, he’s erratic and unpredictable. That’s what we need to know. Do we need to then extend a diagnosis to go along with that, to make it really objectionable?” Perry said.

“It hasn’t really worked in eroding Trump’s popularity, but it certainly makes people who actually have these conditions feel very uncomfortable — feel that the message is: ‘If you have a mental health condition, you are not fit to be president.’ And frankly, I suspect we’ve had lots of presidents with mental health conditions, and we’ll probably have lots more.”

Abraham Lincoln lived with depression. Each of Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy took a cocktail of anxiety medication. Aides to Lyndon B. Johnson, who experienced severe mood swings, were so concerned about his mental state that they consulted psychiatrists.

U.S. psychiatrists are now prohibited by their professional association from publicly assessing public figures. The most common amateur diagnosis of Trump is narcissistic personality disorder, a condition characterized by an “inflated sense of their own importance,” “a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others,” and “a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism,” the Mayo Clinic said.

Dan McAdams, a psychology professor at Northwestern University, would not diagnose Trump with any ailment, and he said most people running for high office must have a “healthy dose” of narcissism. But he added: “It does seem to be the case that he’s kind of off the map.”

“Putting his name on everything, talking about himself all the time: this is beyond the pale,” said McAdams, who conducted a detailed personality assessment of Trump for the Atlantic. “I don’t want to argue that it’s a clinical condition … but if there’s a continuum, in terms of narcissistic personality characteristics within a relatively normal population, he’s really way off on the extreme end.”

Scott Lilienfeld, a psychology professor at Emory University, co-conducted a study of narcissism in the 42 presidents up to George W. Bush. High levels of the grandiose variety of narcissism, he found, have been associated with superior crisis management, public persuasiveness and overall success — but also with abuse of power, ethics scandals and impeachment resolutions.

It’s the Goldilocks principle: there appears to be a presidential “sweet spot,” Lilienfeld said, between helpful narcissism and damaging narcissism. While he would not specifically discuss Trump other than to say he is almost certainly sane — “I don’t think he’s out of touch with reality, I think he knows what he’s doing, he probably doesn’t hear voices or have delusional thinking” — he suggested that voters ask themselves a question.

“Is this individual’s narcissism so high that it might be at the upper end of the curve where it’s no longer just healthy self-confidence, which is probably good to some degree, or is it at the point where it could really cause problems?”
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lod001 said:
Well, one of them is a liar. Either a letter exists or it doesn't. The NFL has an out however. They can say, 'we told the truth, we didn't write a letter, we typed it', if Trump produces it.
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Exactly. I want to see him produce it and if he does. Which we all know he won't. The NFL is not great right now, but I believe them over Trump

 
Foxnews.com - still no mention today of John McCain denouncing Trump, or Sally Bradshaw leaving the GOP. It will be interesting to see how long they can ignore the water rising in the boat.

 
IndyHavoc said:
What Spygate tape?

What Ray Rice tape?

NFL head office...a beacon of truth, honesty, and transparency.
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Yeah, but the Trump camp is already backpedaling.  Now, they're saying they heard it from "someone close to the NFL". No letter, and not from the NFL, just words form someone "close".  

 
so, what does he do with this:

http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/Articles/2016-Articles/VFW-Supports-Gold-Star-Families/

VFW Supports Gold Star Families


 


To ridicule a Gold Star Mother is out-of-bounds


August 01, 2016

WASHINGTON — Presidential candidate Donald J. Trump has a history of lashing out after being attacked, but to ridicule a Gold Star Mother is out-of-bounds, said the new national commander of the near 1.7 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States and its Auxiliary.

“Election year or not, the VFW will not tolerate anyone berating a Gold Star family member for exercising his or her right of speech or expression,” said Brian Duffy, of Louisville, Ky., who was elected July 27 to lead the nation’s oldest and largest major war veterans organization.

“There are certain sacrosanct subjects that no amount of wordsmithing can repair once crossed,” he said. “Giving one’s life to nation is the greatest sacrifice, followed closely by all Gold Star families, who have a right to make their voices heard.”
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LittlePhatty said:
Foxnews.com - still no mention today of John McCain denouncing Trump, or Sally Bradshaw leaving the GOP. It will be interesting to see how long they can ignore the water rising in the boat.
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They'll ignore it forever because the people watching their network don't want to hear it. They cater to their audience. Fox News, like MSNBC and others on the left, is an entertainment channel that has nothing to do with actual news.

 
LittlePhatty said:
I bet Trump buys a "Support Our Troops" ribbon today and sticks it on his limo, then thinks to himself "problem solved."
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The whole problem is that he actually doesn't think that there's any "problem" at all. He lacks the empathy and self-awareness to even understand the wider implications beyond his own hurt feelings and lashing out at whoever hurt them.

 
Card Trader said:
Given the countless issues Clinton has been on the wrong side of, you lemmings seem to only care about what Trump "says".  We need an Ostrich with head in the sand emoticon for people like you.

Ironic, huh?
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Listen. 

If I strapped you to a chair, and said "Card Trader, I'm going to inject you with one of two syringes. You get to pick. One has the flu in it. The other has Ebola. Pick one."

Do you then need the someone to tell you all the good things they can think of regarding the flu?  Or do you just pick the flu because what kind of moron picks Ebola?

 
Rove! said:
Did making a quip about Khans wife not speaking kill anyone?

iraq killed people and Clinton supported it

libya killed people and clinton supported it

syria killed people and Clinton supported it
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Karl Rove wants you to stop ruining his good name.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
At some point soon Trump sees how badly things are going and starts listening to the advice of professionals. Right?
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His primary goal is attention for himself and for his brand, and adding to the list of suckers that to whom he can pitch steaks, vodka, and tickets to real estate scams seminars. He'll take the win if it happens, and hand things over to Pence, but he's not about to dilute his message and appeal to reasonable independents. The people already on board would see that as selling out, and they're the ones that will be in the Trump U classrooms in a year or two.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
He's always been winning the primary or closing the gap on Hillary before. Now things seem to be going the other way. I'm sure he's aware of it.
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See, I'm actually pretty much 100% sure that he's not. Anyone telling him to tone it down or that he's falling behind is going to be out on their ### pretty quickly, I'd bet.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
He's always been winning the primary or closing the gap on Hillary before. Now things seem to be going the other way. I'm sure he's aware of it.
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I think you are giving him too much credit. I think his power of self-delusion is unmatched.  I constantly think of George's advice to Seinfeld on lying:

"Jerry, remember: it's not a lie, if you believe it."

I don't believe he's listening to any sane voices in his team, if there are any.  

This guy has been confronted with so many of his lies, and never has that deer caught in the headlights look. His expression when this happens can only be described as nonplussed.  It's almost impressive.

 
Soootch said:
I agree with this up to a point, but we're now in a ridiculous place with Trump. Coming off last week's convention which pretty much unanimously succeeded beyond any reasonable expectations, he can't talk or tweet without looking like a complete moron or the most petty, hateful piece of #### in the history of politics. I keep coming back to this thought that he can't really be trying. I can't believe someone with his resume and life experience would be this unprepared and tone deaf. I have no idea what's in his head and I think his special brand of dysfunction is not something most of us have seen. Narcissism is obviously the overriding issue, to the severity that there is nearly zero conscience in there, but that doesn't explain the utter incompetence. Being this awful at this is directly at odds with his unending need for validation. Only thing left is early-stage dementia. 
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He's still getting validation, though. His supporters are with him no matter what, and they're HUGELY vocal, and he's probably basing his assessment upon the response that he's getting from his people at rallies, etc. He's not a guy that is going to pore over polling data or actually read and comprehend anything that doesn't fit into his view if things. I also would agree, though, that it's really not about winning -- he's just loving the exposure and the fact that he's going to get a few new TV shows out of this and have more people to sell stuff to.

 
Soootch said:
I agree with this up to a point, but we're now in a ridiculous place with Trump. Coming off last week's convention which pretty much unanimously succeeded beyond any reasonable expectations, he can't talk or tweet without looking like a complete moron or the most petty, hateful piece of #### in the history of politics. I keep coming back to this thought that he can't really be trying. I can't believe someone with his resume and life experience would be this unprepared and tone deaf. I have no idea what's in his head and I think his special brand of dysfunction is not something most of us have seen. Narcissism is obviously the overriding issue, to the severity that there is nearly zero conscience in there, but that doesn't explain the utter incompetence. Being this awful at this is directly at odds with his unending need for validation. Only thing left is early-stage dementia. 
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Privilege is a helluva thing.  He really hasn't made that much money, considering what was inherited both in terms of $ and because he inherited a business that was a guaranteed moneymaker (NY real estate). What he excels at like few people we've ever seen- the thing that forms the basis for his success- is his knack for self-promotion.  But as many other reality TV types have shown us, being dumb or petty or narcissistic isn't a problem in the field of self-promotion.  In fact it seems to help.

 
massraider said:
I think you are giving him too much credit. I think his power of self-delusion is unmatched.  I constantly think of George's advice to Seinfeld on lying:

"Jerry, remember: it's not a lie, if you believe it."

I don't believe he's listening to any sane voices in his team, if there are any.  

This guy has been confronted with so many of his lies, and never has that deer caught in the headlights look. His expression when this happens can only be described as nonplussed.  It's almost impressive.
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Same could be said for Hillary, as well

 
massraider said:
Good point.

But I don't think Hillary believes she can say whatever she wants.  Donald believes he can create facts by just saying something.
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Yup.  Huge difference.  Clinton contradicts herself and gets caught in lies (and anyone who spends a quarter-century in the public eye would), but when she's called out on it she attempts to reconcile her statements or she admits her error.  What Trump does is something completely different and far more dangerous.  Lying is one thing, lying without a sense of accountability is another.

 
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