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Official Donald Trump for President thread (5 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
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Pretty closely. I'm generally in favor of free markets. There are circumstances in which government intervention into a market is justified (e.g. carbon taxes), but as a general principle I'd usually prefer less government intervention than more.
msommer
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Was Bill trying to get elected to something?
Because if not, then it's not exactly relevant, is it?
ETA: I see Mojo is taking you to school on this already, so I'll just
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HellToupee
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Did you read the piece???Was Bill trying to get elected to something?
Because if not, then it's not exactly relevant, is it?
ETA: I see Mojo is taking you to school on this already, so I'll just
Bill wasnt up for election hot take
Cliff Clavin
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3C's
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[scooter]
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#polls
Economist poll: Clinton was +7 on August 9, she's +6 now
Reuters poll: Clinton was +4 on August 3, she was +6 on August 10, and she's +5 now
NBC poll: Clinton was +10 on August 7, she was +9 on August 14
And these are just the national polls. In the state polls, Clinton flipped at least 10 states after the convention. Trump hasn't been able to reverse any of those flips. He needs to win almost every one of those states to win the election, and his recent ~1% national bump won't be enough to do it.
Mario Kart
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So, are we to believe polls now or are we to still denounce them? What position, about polls, do the Trumpettes want us to believe? Polls good? Polls bad?
AnonymousBob
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Trump, and all the Trump supporters, don't deserve anything that even hints at respect. They're disgusting people worthy of shame and ridicule.
squistion
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You're the one generalizing millions of people, sounds like you're the disgusting one worthy of shame and ridicule.
Bigot, our political views don't define our person.
bueno
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bueno
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Capella
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People who support trump are not necessarily all racists or bigots, but they are all people ok with racism or bigotry in their president.
(They're also most likely racists and bigots)
bueno
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As much as Trump extemporizes, I hope CNN is doing this for both candidates. You know a politician is lying because their lips are moving....
apalmer
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That's just Em treating others with respect as he asks them to to for the followers of Mr. Trump.
Not really, if someone is being a jerk and you call them a jerk... that doesn't make you a jerk.
bueno
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I wouldn't have put it that way, but I think he has a point. AAs have been voting Democrat since the end of the Civil War, and have gotten damn little for it.
apalmer
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But when someone is being a bigot and you call them a bigot, that makes you a bigot?
Cliff Clavin
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Not at all, if that group was the Ku Klux Klan it would be valid. But calling millions of fellow Americans bigots because of who they support for President is invalid.
I don't think you or anyone else who supports Clinton is crooked just because she is. I'm not silly enough to project traits onto people based on their political opinions.
So if the choice was between Donald Trump and Hitler and you thought Trump was a bigot, I would be a bigot?
You realize that Trump being a bigot is purely your opinion, right? You realize that many of his supporters see him as the lesser of two evils?
If you want to generalize swaths of people as this or that, more power to you. But you're doing exactly what you're accusing Trump of doing, stereotyping people.
Cliff Clavin
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SameSongNDance
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Your average Trump supporter and average KKK member converge on many issues. It's hard to distinguish between the two ideologies.
bueno
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SWC
Bromigo
listen i am not a political strategerist but vote trump cause hes not quite hitler is not a good campaign slogan that is all i am saying take that to the bank brohans
bueno
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[scooter]
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Yes, he is incorrect. Trump says "you're living in poverty" as if it applies to the majority of African Americans, when it doesn't.
You are doing the same thing.
The fact is, the vast majority of African Americans (73.8%) don't live in poverty. True, that number is higher than other ethnic groups. But when a person says "you're" as a representation of 26.2% of blacks -- but not the 23.6% of Hispanics or the 12.7% of whites who are also in poverty -- then it is at best patronizing, and at worst racist.
The fact is, the black poverty rate peaked under Reagan and bottomed-out under Clinton. Black lives got a lot better when a Clinton was in office.
If Trump was running against Obama, then he might score some points by pointing out that the black poverty rate increased slightly under Obama. But all it's really doing is reminding blacks of how bad things can get when a Republican is in charge.
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apalmer
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But saying you agree with all of the things that makes him a bigot does make you a bigot. That's not projection. I don't see people in here saying "I'm voting for Hillary because you can't trust her." I do see people saying "We're going to build a wall. We're going to keep Muslims from coming into the country and we're going to kick the ones here out." There's a difference between acknowledging a candidate has flaws and deciding to vote for her anyhow and embracing a candidate's flaws as being exactly what you want.
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Coeur de Lion
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Nice try, but we've had the equivalent of 4 pages full of posts that mention Hitler in this thread.
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/search/?q=Hitler&type=forums_topic&item=745802
He's pretty popular in here.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
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badmojo1006
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The southern Strategy had its roots in the 64 election, but Nixon in 68 was the one who really exploited it. Helped him 72.
76 was a glitch since Carter was from the south, but from then on, it has been Republican territory.
msommer
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The whole dixiecrat thing? I think that's been discussed already. They went repub when civil rights got changed
cobalt_27
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Equally disturbing, I recognize a ton of folks in this thread who would represent the 37% of this board's members who would vote for Hitler.
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cstu
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Republicans won the South in 1964, 1968 (Wallace), and 1972 before Georgian Jimmy Carter won the South as a Democrat in 1976.
Since then only Clinton was able to win Southern states, namely his home state of Arkansas, LA, Tenn., Georgia (1992), and Florida (1996). Obama won Florida in 2008 and 2012 if we are counting it as part of the South.
[scooter]
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1968 doesn't count because George Wallace was a former Democrat! DEMOCRAT I TELL YOU!!!!! [/bueno]
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Nixon still got half a million more votes than Kennedy in the southern states
I'm no Trump fan, but there's nothing unusual in anything this article is describing. These complicated ownership structures (JV's, LLC's, ground leases, etc.) are 100% standard in commercial real estate and in themselves should raise zero concerns about his business acumen or ethics.
Wallace was a Democrat.
ETA: I guess for one year, in 1968, he was technically a third-party Independent. But for the rest of his career he was a Democrat.
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sho nuff
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Actually, Trump lies an exceptionally higher percentage of the time than Clinton, and higher than any politician in recent memory:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jun/29/fact-checking-2016-clinton-trump/
The official platform doesn't mean anything. Even if it did mean something, candidates hold positions on more than one issue. When you vote for the candidate you agree with 38% of the time over the candidate you agree with 31% of the time, it doesn't mean that 38% is suddenly equal to 100%. (Although as apalmer implied a few posts back, if you vote for a candidate because he is anti-gay, that's another matter.)
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sho nuff
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bueno
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IMO, a vote for Johnson is a repudiation of both candidates. They both suck voting for one because she sucks less than the other is not in the cards. I'm done holding my nose in the voting booth. It's time to send a message to both Parties.
bueno
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, but under normal circumstances, a person's mortgage will generally be for less than the value of the property securing that mortgage.
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bueno
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Em makes a good point. If all who support Trump are bigots, then all who support HRC are corrupt.
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