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Official Donald Trump for President thread (8 Viewers)
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
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What? Did you not watch the fight the GOP had over trump? The Never Trump? The outright blasting of Trump by Cruz, still now we are seeing Republicans run away from Trump.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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timschochet
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Going into this election, the two most famous people in terms of name recognition who chose to run for President were Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Nobody else was even close. It's not a coincidence that these are our nominees.
In terms of Trump, no celebrity without political experience has ever chosen to seriously run before. But what if one had? Suppose Walter Cronkite had run in 1972? Or Joe Montana in 1996? Or Bruce Springsteen? With name and face recognition greater than all politicians, who knows?
In terms of Trump, no celebrity without political experience has ever chosen to seriously run before. But what if one had? Suppose Walter Cronkite had run in 1972? Or Joe Montana in 1996? Or Bruce Springsteen? With name and face recognition greater than all politicians, who knows?
Coeur de Lion
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Yeah, this. Plus
@ actual conservatives having anything to do with Trump. Trump is the result of a grass roots insurgency by a bunch of angry bigots scared because the world is changing.
Sabertooth
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Page 666. Fitting in a way as I think he's the Anti-Christ.
timschochet
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My opinion of her doesn't matter. I am trying to point out 2 facts:
1. Name and face recognition trumps all other factors.
3. On the Democratic side, when blacks vote as a group, it's over.
timschochet
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I watched it all. Trump was terrible from the beginning, and none of those guys could stop him.
Cruz was an established politician who shared most of Trump's views. And he didn't really come close to stopping Trump, because of name and face recognition.
Leeroy Jenkins
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massraider
Footballguy
Because of name and face recognition?
I think it has more to do with this being the death rattle of the Tea Party, and everyone in the GOP agreeing that they cannot stand Ted Cruz.
I mean, finding Cruz repulsive is one thing everyone can get on board with.
Coeur de Lion
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Well, black voters certainly did prefer Hillary to Bernie Sanders. I don't think it's particularly obvious that they would have overwhelmingly preferred her to other options. And no, name recognition doesn't trump all other factors. No one outside of die hard Democrats and political junkies knew who Obama was when he started off running against Hillary in 2008. And beat her.
Coeur de Lion
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timschochet
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I am betting that if you polled the people who attend Trump rallies, not now but one year ago, they would have told you they loved Ted Cruz.
SameSongNDance
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1. Everyone recognizes both Clinton and Trump and everyone hates either Clinton or Trump. Recognition isn't intrinsically good.
3. (wait, where is 2?) Black people would have almost unanimously voted for whoever the Dems nominated.
timschochet
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I should have written that name recognition trumps most factors- but incredible charisma can trump all factors. I like Corey Booker, and Kaine, and Joe Biden, but there are no Obamas on that list.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
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3C's
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badmojo1006
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Conway is going with "He has the right to defend himself"
For the millionth time, this is not the playground at the elementary school. Rise above it Mr. Trump
For the millionth time, this is not the playground at the elementary school. Rise above it Mr. Trump
JerseyToughGuys
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rodg12
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Do you seriously not remember 2008, Tim? It mattered so much then that an unknown charismatic senator from Illinois thumped Hillary in the primaries. I think Booker or Biden wipe the floor with Hillary and then would be up 15-20 points on Trump right now. Would be an even bigger blood bath.
squistion
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Jason Gore @sonicdork 33m33 minutes ago
Once he's done lashing out at@Morning_Joe, @realDonaldTrump plans to attack reruns of Mama's Family on @MeTV.
Once he's done lashing out at
badmojo1006
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Donald Trump to make fundraising trip to Colorado, campaign now says no immigration speech expected
Probably got cold feet, figuring they would lose a lot of their base
Probably got cold feet, figuring they would lose a lot of their base
msommer
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Why won't he? It must be that what many people are saying is true, he's a major donor for NAMBLA
AnonymousBob
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
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The battle between Obama and Hillary in those primaries are still legendary, their bloodbath was so vicious that many thought that the very Idea of Hillary serving in the Obama administration simply ludicrous.
knowledge dropper
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Coeur de Lion
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No, he's not. That's one poll, and not a particularly important or well known one at that.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
squistion
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Not polls, one poll and that is the USC/Dornsife L.A. Times poll that uses questionable methodology because they keep using the same respondents.
timschochet
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Obama had two things going for him: extraordinary charisma, and the first serious chance of a black President, which got all the black vote behind him. He needed both those factors to beat Hillary and then just barely.
timschochet
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I do agree that Booker or Biden would be doing better against Trump, though not 15-20 points. Slightly better.
knowledge dropper
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3C's
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Polls vs poll....hmm, which one is the proper term to use when just referencing one single poll?
Grace Under Pressure
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From the article:
"Separately, the poll also asks voters which candidate they think will win. That question has often shown greater ability to predict election outcomes than asking people who they will vote for, particularly when the election remains months away. Clinton continues to lead voter expectations by a large margin, 54%-40%."
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Never Trump'Never Hillary voter here
favorite writing from last week.
"He blames the media, for making him look nuts by reporting the things he says — which are nuts."
It’s too early to begin the bloody and tearful recriminations — but there will be a time. Not to blame Trump for being Trump, which is exactly what anybody with a lick of sense would expect him to be. But those who enabled him, who plumped him and the largely fictitious establishment-vs.-the-base soap opera for their own personal audience-building and money-making agendas? We are going to need to have a word about them, come November.Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438962/donald-trump-media-supporters-loss
favorite writing from last week.
"He blames the media, for making him look nuts by reporting the things he says — which are nuts."
It’s too early to begin the bloody and tearful recriminations — but there will be a time. Not to blame Trump for being Trump, which is exactly what anybody with a lick of sense would expect him to be. But those who enabled him, who plumped him and the largely fictitious establishment-vs.-the-base soap opera for their own personal audience-building and money-making agendas? We are going to need to have a word about them, come November.Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438962/donald-trump-media-supporters-loss
sho nuff
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squistion
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Moot point in that neither ran against her, knowing that she couldn't be beaten.
That said, Booker is not well known to most voters and who knows how well he would have fared under the vetting process. Plus, there would be the question of whether this country would elect back-to-back black presidents (I got no problem with that, but without even explicitly mentioning it, it would bring race to the forefront of the campaign). Biden has his own baggage and never did well in his prior presidential runs - perhaps 8 years as VP would make that irrelevant, but who knows.
knowledge dropper
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3C's
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In his defense, both statements are true. LA Times is credible (though the poll may not be) and he was passing it along. I go to real clear politics and look at the polls (all the polls!) so I've seen this one for a long time being well off of all the others. National polls don't matter much anyway.
Coeur de Lion
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3C's
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roadkill1292
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Yup, starring Manafort, Hannity, van Susteren, Lewandowski, the blonde "Trump supporter" chick from CNN, possibly Palin. Run by Ailes & Breitbart, and featuring guest appearances by the Orange Leader himself.
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