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***Official Doug Martin Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

So the ones who are bailing on martin, are we talking redraft or dynasty? I can understand redraft but if you are bailing this early in dynasty i think its a big mistake. He may not be as good as ray rice, but ray rice wasnt as good as ray rice his first year either.

He's six weeks into his first NFL season on a young team with a 1st year coach and O-line injuries. Give them time to improve before you bail in a dynasty.

 
Best day of the year. Looks solid, ran hard, made nice cuts, and was still probably not featured as much as I thought he could be. He should be a solid RB2 going forward. Although I would like to see him play the Saints every week, that'd be nice.

 
Midseason update:

154 carries, 794 yards, 5.2 per carry, 7 TDs. 20 receptions, 245 yards, 12.3 per reception, 1 TD.

3rd in yards. 2nd in rushing yards per game. 2nd in TDs.

Not bad.

 
sorry i couldnt find any other doug martin thread....

with all of this schiano news coming out over the last week or so, does anyone think perhaps this team totally falls apart if they lose this week? It has me very concerned about martin's outlook this season.... fear mongering probably... but worth discussing i thought

 
sorry i couldnt find any other doug martin thread....

with all of this schiano news coming out over the last week or so, does anyone think perhaps this team totally falls apart if they lose this week? It has me very concerned about martin's outlook this season.... fear mongering probably... but worth discussing i thought
I've been severely down on Martin all over these forums all off season. I don't think he can fall out of the Top 10 without an injury but I don't see how he possibly finishes inside the Top 5 with this team being as bad as it is this year. If the Bucs lose again this week it's tailspin central. I feel like if I were a Martin owner (not avoided him in every league), I'd be sending offers for guys like Reggie Bush and Jamaal Charles and hoping to keep a similar "floor" but get away from the very realistic option that this team falls apart and Martin ends up going like 1100 yds and 7 TDs this season.

 
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The sky is falling!
While I agree with the "Relax it's just week 1" mentality? I think this along with a few other situations is a very real thing. The Bucs looked AB-SO-LUTE-LY AWFUL this past weekend. The Jets aren't that good of a defense and Martin had no holes at all. Not even a one. I think the play here honestly is let him have a typical/good game against New Orleans (which I assume he will). Then try and sell high on him cause after this week he has to play:

Arizona - Great defense

Philly - Who knows, but they did a good job with Morris

Atlanta - Probably a decent game, but they may be forced to pass.

Carolina - Have you seen this Front 7? May be the new dominant run D.

Seattle - Don't even need to explain.

Miami - One of the better D's in the league. The shut down TRich like he was nothing.

Atlanta - Same scenario as above

Detroit - Suh, Fairly... good front 7. Shut down Peterson besides his big 78 yard run he went 17 for 15?

Carolina - Same scenario as above

Buffalo - Decent matchup

San Fran - Don't even need to explain

St Louis - A much better D than people realize.

I see a REALLY rough matchup road ahead for Martin on top of all these issues. If I own him in redraft I'm selling if I can.

 
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Carl Nicks was back at practice yesterday. Not sure if he'll play this week, but he should return soon. This offensive line is really good. I just hope Josh and Schiano can get on the same page soon or the wheels are going to come off.

 
Carl Nicks was back at practice yesterday. Not sure if he'll play this week, but he should return soon. This offensive line is really good. I just hope Josh and Schiano can get on the same page soon or the wheels are going to come off.
The news on Nicks is looking very good, at least.

 
The sky is falling!
While I agree with the "Relax it's just week 1" mentality? I think this along with a few other situations is a very real thing. The Bucs looked AB-SO-LUTE-LY AWFUL this past weekend. The Jets aren't that good of a defense and Martin had no holes at all. Not even a one. I think the play here honestly is let him have a typical/good game against New Orleans (which I assume he will). Then try and sell high on him cause after this week he has to play:

Arizona - Great defense

Philly - Who knows, but they did a good job with Morris

Atlanta - Probably a decent game, but they may be forced to pass.

Carolina - Have you seen this Front 7? May be the new dominant run D.

Seattle - Don't even need to explain.

Miami - One of the better D's in the league. The shut down TRich like he was nothing.

Atlanta - Same scenario as above

Detroit - Suh, Fairly... good front 7. Shut down Peterson besides his big 78 yard run he went 17 for 15?

Carolina - Same scenario as above

Buffalo - Decent matchup

San Fran - Don't even need to explain

St Louis - A much better D than people realize.

I see a REALLY rough matchup road ahead for Martin on top of all these issues. If I own him in redraft I'm selling if I can.
What kind of RB is it gonna take for you to part with a likely top 5 pick? Do you take your chances on another highly-touted guy that's had a rough go of it to start? Richardson, Morris, etc? Otherwise you probably have to take a diminished RB-WR package.

 
The sky is falling!
While I agree with the "Relax it's just week 1" mentality? I think this along with a few other situations is a very real thing. The Bucs looked AB-SO-LUTE-LY AWFUL this past weekend. The Jets aren't that good of a defense and Martin had no holes at all. Not even a one. I think the play here honestly is let him have a typical/good game against New Orleans (which I assume he will). Then try and sell high on him cause after this week he has to play:

Arizona - Great defense

Philly - Who knows, but they did a good job with Morris

Atlanta - Probably a decent game, but they may be forced to pass.

Carolina - Have you seen this Front 7? May be the new dominant run D.

Seattle - Don't even need to explain.

Miami - One of the better D's in the league. The shut down TRich like he was nothing.

Atlanta - Same scenario as above

Detroit - Suh, Fairly... good front 7. Shut down Peterson besides his big 78 yard run he went 17 for 15?

Carolina - Same scenario as above

Buffalo - Decent matchup

San Fran - Don't even need to explain

St Louis - A much better D than people realize.

I see a REALLY rough matchup road ahead for Martin on top of all these issues. If I own him in redraft I'm selling if I can.
What kind of RB is it gonna take for you to part with a likely top 5 pick? Do you take your chances on another highly-touted guy that's had a rough go of it to start? Richardson, Morris, etc? Otherwise you probably have to take a diminished RB-WR package.
Honestly, depends on your team I guess... if you happened to get lucky and draft like Doug Martin, Steven Ridley, Reggie Bush and DeAngelo Williams or something? I could see trying to pitch him in a package deal to someone weak at RB for like Martin and a WR2 for Calvin and RB2 or something along those lines. Example... Bloom is tweeting about trying to offer him to Reggie Bush owners. I think you can be buying low with him right now on guys with much higher outlooks like Bush, Calvin, Dez who all had down weeks. After Week 3 it'll be hard to get that Top 5 value out of Martin. Right now you can probably convince people the Bucs had an off week.

The sky is falling!
I see a REALLY rough matchup road ahead for Martin on top of all these issues. If I own him in redraft I'm selling if I can.
I saw someone get TRich and a 1st for him in dynasty. Incredible.
I'd kill a small army of people for that kind of deal... Jesus.

 
The sky is falling!
While I agree with the "Relax it's just week 1" mentality? I think this along with a few other situations is a very real thing. The Bucs looked AB-SO-LUTE-LY AWFUL this past weekend. The Jets aren't that good of a defense and Martin had no holes at all. Not even a one. I think the play here honestly is let him have a typical/good game against New Orleans (which I assume he will). Then try and sell high on him cause after this week he has to play:

Arizona - Great defense

Philly - Who knows, but they did a good job with Morris

Atlanta - Probably a decent game, but they may be forced to pass.

Carolina - Have you seen this Front 7? May be the new dominant run D.

Seattle - Don't even need to explain.

Miami - One of the better D's in the league. The shut down TRich like he was nothing.

Atlanta - Same scenario as above

Detroit - Suh, Fairly... good front 7. Shut down Peterson besides his big 78 yard run he went 17 for 15?

Carolina - Same scenario as above

Buffalo - Decent matchup

San Fran - Don't even need to explain

St Louis - A much better D than people realize.

I see a REALLY rough matchup road ahead for Martin on top of all these issues. If I own him in redraft I'm selling if I can.
What kind of RB is it gonna take for you to part with a likely top 5 pick? Do you take your chances on another highly-touted guy that's had a rough go of it to start? Richardson, Morris, etc? Otherwise you probably have to take a diminished RB-WR package.
Honestly, depends on your team I guess... if you happened to get lucky and draft like Doug Martin, Steven Ridley, Reggie Bush and DeAngelo Williams or something? I could see trying to pitch him in a package deal to someone weak at RB for like Martin and a WR2 for Calvin and RB2 or something along those lines. Example... Bloom is tweeting about trying to offer him to Reggie Bush owners. I think you can be buying low with him right now on guys with much higher outlooks like Bush, Calvin, Dez who all had down weeks. After Week 3 it'll be hard to get that Top 5 value out of Martin. Right now you can probably convince people the Bucs had an off week.

The sky is falling!
I see a REALLY rough matchup road ahead for Martin on top of all these issues. If I own him in redraft I'm selling if I can.
I saw someone get TRich and a 1st for him in dynasty. Incredible.
I'd kill a small army of people for that kind of deal... Jesus.
I'm with you. That's almost veto-able.

 
I was able to grab Trich, Martin, D.Williams. Given his pre-draft rankings and his current situation is he really worth keeping or should owners try to pawn him off? I'm curious to what everyone in the Shark pool thinks about this.

 
After the way the Jets D defended the run tonight, should we just chalk Martin's disappointing performance last week to just facing a really good run D? From what I saw Martin looked a lot like NE's backs tonight...just nowhere to run. I'm expecting a much better YPC for Martin this week against the Saints. They got a pretty good pass rush last week but didn't look as strong against the run.

 
After the way the Jets D defended the run tonight, should we just chalk Martin's disappointing performance last week to just facing a really good run D? From what I saw Martin looked a lot like NE's backs tonight...just nowhere to run. I'm expecting a much better YPC for Martin this week against the Saints. They got a pretty good pass rush last week but didn't look as strong against the run.
Not sure why people undervalued the Jet's D. They have 3 first rounders on that D line. That were going to be very stout up front and tough for any RB.

Martin should have a monster game vs. the Saints this week.

 
After the way the Jets D defended the run tonight, should we just chalk Martin's disappointing performance last week to just facing a really good run D? From what I saw Martin looked a lot like NE's backs tonight...just nowhere to run. I'm expecting a much better YPC for Martin this week against the Saints. They got a pretty good pass rush last week but didn't look as strong against the run.
Not sure why people undervalued the Jet's D. They have 3 first rounders on that D line. That were going to be very stout up front and tough for any RB.

Martin should have a monster game vs. the Saints this week.
Big game coming today. Put that dinged up Saints D on the road in 90+ temperatures against a Bucs' team backed into a corner, and I'm expecting big numbers across the board for Tampa's offense.

 
Martin owner here; which drives me nuts since I usually pull against the Bucs.

But it's almost impossible to find a RB who gets that many touches.

Anyway the Saints' D is much improved, it was a very good performance vs the Falcs last week.

SJax had one very nice run through a back secondary that was out of position or got caught in the wrong call, he took it 50+ yards and I'm sure Martin would have gone all the way with it.

Jackson was also open on several passes but the Falcs didn't really take advantage and instead kept looking downfield.

The Saints' D is now back in the Ryan mode, very aggressive, lots of overpursuit, a guy like Martin could do very well. A lot of it will come down to Freeman and whether he can hit the intermediate to deeper stuff to keep the D honest.

The Saints have as many as 5-7 preseason starters on defense out, though they are getting their starting WOLB back, Wilson, most likely.

The Bucs would do well to use Martin in the pass game and keep the ball moving.

 
Didn't get a chance to watch more than a few snaps today. 27 for 45? :oldunsure:

Is this what we can expect from Martin going forward as teams stack the box and try to force Glennon to beat them? I was glad to see he did at least get 3 receptions for my PPR league but that YPC is downright atrocious, even if it does show that he's gonna carry the rock more than probably any other back in the league.

 
Tbh, Martin and V Jax are the only two players on my squad giving me major concern. Seems ridiculous given they were 1st and 5th round picks.

I think he will always continue to put up 6-12 points every week, but it seems like the idea of him busting out with a 20 pointer is very far fetched right now. Not what you want with your 1st pick.

 
The only thing we can hope is that he is a slow starter, remember he had a slow start last year and in a week or 2 he gets the Eagles and he will ramp it up the rest of the year.

 
The only thing we can hope is that he is a slow starter, remember he had a slow start last year and in a week or 2 he gets the Eagles and he will ramp it up the rest of the year.
That is going to require better QB play. Doug may do well in cake matchups, but today's line is a discouraging portent for this season.

 
The Doug Martin bandwagon was about in the same exact muck this time last season before he broke out just in time for his owners to miss the playoffs.

 
Problem with Martin is that no defense is respecting the pass. They are run blitzing with impunity. That need to get Martin more involved in the short passing game.

 
Problem with Martin is that no defense is respecting the pass. They are run blitzing with impunity. That need to get Martin more involved in the short passing game.
Looks to me like they called a few of these screens and dump offs trouble is Glennon is not adept at the touch pass. After further review, he's not accurate with medium/long throws either. This is going to be a long year for Martin if Glennon doesn't improve significantly.
 
Problem with Martin is that no defense is respecting the pass.
Exactly

from PFF

When Doug Martin is facing a defense with four or fewer defensive backs on the field, he has just 147 yards on 64 attempts.

When he is facing a defense with five or more defensive backs, he has 195 yards on 36 carries

 
So what is his value in dynasty formats right now? I have had several people inquire about him, I have turned down the offers but I was wondering if I over valued him because he my player.

 
Last season he started off... with 71 carries, 247 yards, 3.4 ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This season he's starting off at 100 carries, 342 yards, 3.4ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This was my gripe with Doug Martin ALL of last season... his average game last season was about 60 yards and 0.3 TDs when you take out his couple of monster games. He was never a consistent RB all last season and hasn't and won't be one this season, or likely any season. It was one of the main reasons I thought he didn't deserve to be drafted Top 5 and had him more around 1.08 in my personal rankings in redraft this year. He'll probably have another one or two monster games at some point this season, but good luck starting him at 6ppg every week hoping to catch that lightning.

As for dynasty value, personally I don't think it's any lower than his 'real' value should have been entering the season. The smart thing would have been to sell in the offseason when you could have accumulated a kings ransom for him. Nobody will pay that top dollar now. You pretty much have to hold and try to sell if he manages to rip off 1-2 big games again within a 2-3 week span. It'll get that random 50+ point game he had last year back in peoples minds and they'll over pay for that kind of production that he simply won't deliver on.

 
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Last season he started off... with 71 carries, 247 yards, 3.4 ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This season he's starting off at 100 carries, 342 yards, 3.4ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This was my gripe with Doug Martin ALL of last season... his average game last season was about 60 yards and 0.3 TDs when you take out his couple of monster games. He was never a consistent RB all last season and hasn't and won't be one this season, or likely any season. It was one of the main reasons I thought he didn't deserve to be drafted Top 5 and had him more around 1.08 in my personal rankings in redraft this year. He'll probably have another one or two monster games at some point this season, but good luck starting him at 6ppg every week hoping to catch that lightning.

As for dynasty value, personally I don't think it's any lower than his 'real' value should have been entering the season. The smart thing would have been to sell in the offseason when you could have accumulated a kings ransom for him. Nobody will pay that top dollar now. You pretty much have to hold and try to sell if he manages to rip off 1-2 big games again within a 2-3 week span. It'll get that random 50+ point game he had last year back in peoples minds and they'll over pay for that kind of production that he simply won't deliver on.
So you're predicting a RB2 overall finish then?

 
Last season he started off... with 71 carries, 247 yards, 3.4 ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This season he's starting off at 100 carries, 342 yards, 3.4ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This was my gripe with Doug Martin ALL of last season... his average game last season was about 60 yards and 0.3 TDs when you take out his couple of monster games. He was never a consistent RB all last season and hasn't and won't be one this season, or likely any season. It was one of the main reasons I thought he didn't deserve to be drafted Top 5 and had him more around 1.08 in my personal rankings in redraft this year. He'll probably have another one or two monster games at some point this season, but good luck starting him at 6ppg every week hoping to catch that lightning.

As for dynasty value, personally I don't think it's any lower than his 'real' value should have been entering the season. The smart thing would have been to sell in the offseason when you could have accumulated a kings ransom for him. Nobody will pay that top dollar now. You pretty much have to hold and try to sell if he manages to rip off 1-2 big games again within a 2-3 week span. It'll get that random 50+ point game he had last year back in peoples minds and they'll over pay for that kind of production that he simply won't deliver on.
Which couple of his 10 games over 100 yfs are you referring to as monster?

In a ppr, which of the 10 games he scored over 15 points (Last year, 15ppg was a RB1 in ppr) are being counted as average?

For the record, he averaged 76.3 yards rushing per game, 102.9 yards from scrimage per game, and 0.43 TDs per game... if you don't count the "couple of monster games". A far cry from the 60yds and 0.3 tds you claim.

People try so desperately to discount Martin due to those 2 huge games in the middle of the season, but he was a rather consistent, and only 3 times left you with below 12.6 points in a ppr. He had an outstanding season last year. This year looks shaky due to the chaos that is Tampa Bay right now, but he is still running quite well. I've watched all 4 TB games, he is running damn hard, rarely going down to first contact... which is typically taking place in the backfield.

If you want to dislike Doug Martin, that's fine, don't draft or acquire him... but don't make up stories or numbers to try to support your argument. He was a very good back last year, all year, and is still running just as hard and well this year.

 
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Last season he started off... with 71 carries, 247 yards, 3.4 ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This season he's starting off at 100 carries, 342 yards, 3.4ypc and 1 TD through 4 games.

This was my gripe with Doug Martin ALL of last season... his average game last season was about 60 yards and 0.3 TDs when you take out his couple of monster games. He was never a consistent RB all last season and hasn't and won't be one this season, or likely any season. It was one of the main reasons I thought he didn't deserve to be drafted Top 5 and had him more around 1.08 in my personal rankings in redraft this year. He'll probably have another one or two monster games at some point this season, but good luck starting him at 6ppg every week hoping to catch that lightning.

As for dynasty value, personally I don't think it's any lower than his 'real' value should have been entering the season. The smart thing would have been to sell in the offseason when you could have accumulated a kings ransom for him. Nobody will pay that top dollar now. You pretty much have to hold and try to sell if he manages to rip off 1-2 big games again within a 2-3 week span. It'll get that random 50+ point game he had last year back in peoples minds and they'll over pay for that kind of production that he simply won't deliver on.
Which couple of his 10 games over 100 yfs are you referring to as monster?

In a ppr, which of the 10 games he scored over 15 points (Last year, 15ppg was a RB1 in ppr) are being counted as average?

For the record, he averaged 76.3 yards rushing per game, 102.9 yards from scrimage per game, and 0.43 TDs per game... if you don't count the "couple of monster games". A far cry from the 60yds and 0.3 tds you claim.

People try so desperately to discount Martin due to those 2 huge games in the middle of the season, but he was a rather consistent, and only 3 times left you with below 12.6 points in a ppr. He had an outstanding season last year. This year looks shaky due to the chaos that is Tampa Bay right now, but he is still running quite well. I've watched all 4 TB games, he is running damn hard, rarely going down to first contact... which is typically taking place in the backfield.

If you want to dislike Doug Martin, that's fine, don't draft or acquire him... but don't make up stories or numbers to try to support your argument. He was a very good back last year, all year, and is still running just as hard and well this year.
Well that was actually a mistake, I meant to say 70ypg but was typing on my phone so my bad. That said I came to 70ypg by removing his Week 7, 8 and 16 games which were far and away his biggest games all season. Which puts him at around 70ypg and 0.38 TDs per game. Now, I've had people argue that "Oh you can't take away their biggest games" sure, fine make that argument if you want. My point is from my research of his tapes and watching him, and looking over his stats and removing what I considered to be some wild inconsistencies in his stats I came to the point that I projected he'd have around...

1300 yards and 8 TDs this season. Which is giving him the benefit of the doubt to have a few big games here or there as if I projected him at exactly 70ypg and .38 TDs it'd be around 1100 yards and 6 TDs. Right now he's on pace for 1368 yards and 4 TDs. So I wasn't too far off and more than likely those yards will come down as he's been extremely mediocre on a YPC average of 3.42 but he's averaging a absolutely unsustainable pace of 25 carries per game. I don't know of any RB whose run for that amount and lived to tell the tale.

The point is he's an above average RB at best, he does everything a RB needs to do well. But he doesn't have a single elite attribute about him. Combine that with a terrible offense and a team that's as a whole circling the drain since last year? I projected he'd easily finish outside the Top 5 and have a 50/50 shot of finishing outside the Top 10 RBs this season even WITH the obnoxious amount of carries he should be seeing all year.

 

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