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**Official** Dune movie by Denis Villeneuve thread **UPDATE- Dune 1 back on IMAX! Part 2 release March 1! (2 Viewers)
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I thought more The Matrix
Edit: I know the book came first. I meant the two stories reminded me of each other
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Footballguy
I restarted it with the wife and LOVED it.
The kid who plays Paul is fantastic. I thought he was pretty good the first time I saw him in a movie called The King. There wasn’t any forced humor or quirky sidekicks. A few fighting scenes but not sensory overload. Please yes! More of stuff like this.
ETA - Why don't these work anymore? Is this the stone age? Are we savages?
I have a few questions but will save it for when its been out longer.
The kid who plays Paul is fantastic. I thought he was pretty good the first time I saw him in a movie called The King. There wasn’t any forced humor or quirky sidekicks. A few fighting scenes but not sensory overload. Please yes! More of stuff like this.
testing to see if these work
ETA - Why don't these work anymore? Is this the stone age? Are we savages?
I have a few questions but will save it for when its been out longer.
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Footballguy
pantherclub said:
This.
El Floppo
Footballguy
bigbottom
Footballguy
This seems like it would have been a better approach with more time to develop characters and plot. But there’s no way they get this cast for a Netflix series.
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Truebluey
Footballguy
I'm enjoying it, but I'm baffled as to why they felt they needed to write a completely alternative story? Asimov wasn't good enough for them?
But good acting and production values.
bigbottom
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Its a moot point because of the way they rushed the story they totally under utilized this cast. After sleeping on it, yeah its a visual masterpiece but all in all its a pretty crappy movie. I hate the way they have to hold your hand and explain everything via voiceover or whatever due to time constraints.
And what now, at best we get a follow up movie in 3 years?
Yep, weird place to end. I enjoyed the movie, but I think I would have been lost if I hadn't read the book. I also suspect that this movie will be a lot better, retroactively, when paired with the next one. This one was visually stunning, but its story was all setup. It doesn't really stand on its own. It needs the forthcoming payoff.
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I enjoyed it and it was really loud on the home theater. I had to turn down the speaker volume a bunch when it first started. I could see where if you hadn’t seen the 80s movie before that it would be a little boring. I didn’t realize they weren’t finishing the 80s movie in this one until there was 40 or so minutes left. That was a little disappointing as there wasn’t a clear ending to this movie like other big Sci-fi stories with multiple movies. I don’t know the books so I don’t know if there is more than just the second half of the 80s movie that we didn’t see.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Should have ended with Paul riding his first sandworm
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Maelstrom
Footballguy
Also went and saw this in IMAX, visuals and audio was stunning. I thought the story was a pretty faithful adaptation, and was kinda impressed how much of the story they were able to impart via a phrase here or there (mainly thinking of the political aspects).
Agree that I didn't expect Paul's mom to be so weepy, I always pictured her as strong willed and confident, and that didn't feel right in the the way she was portrayed.
Sadly, my wife unironically said it just reminded her of many other sci-fi movies, like Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. She knew the book came first and they are the ones actually influenced, but in her experience, having never read the book(s), the other films.were first.
Overall I really enjoyed it. I called the ending spot, and don't really know where else it could have ended if they are splitting it in half. I kinda wish they hadn't shown the sandworm riders, to save that for the 2nd one. It is definitely going to have to be judged as two parts of a whole, and it's really hard to understand why part 2 wasn't greenlit yet - I don't think this can stand on its own without it
Agree that I didn't expect Paul's mom to be so weepy, I always pictured her as strong willed and confident, and that didn't feel right in the the way she was portrayed.
Sadly, my wife unironically said it just reminded her of many other sci-fi movies, like Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. She knew the book came first and they are the ones actually influenced, but in her experience, having never read the book(s), the other films.were first.
Overall I really enjoyed it. I called the ending spot, and don't really know where else it could have ended if they are splitting it in half. I kinda wish they hadn't shown the sandworm riders, to save that for the 2nd one. It is definitely going to have to be judged as two parts of a whole, and it's really hard to understand why part 2 wasn't greenlit yet - I don't think this can stand on its own without it
Quint
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I enjoyed the movie. It rocked on my new Atmos home theater setup. I hadn’t read the books or seen the Lynch version.
As to the Netflix series comment, no way you get this kind of casting and I don’t think Netflix has ever spent that kind of money before. Production for 2.5 hours was about $150 million. I’m not sure Netflix would commit the $600 million needed to do 10 hours of this so it would have ended up looking and sounding a lot cheaper.
As to the Netflix series comment, no way you get this kind of casting and I don’t think Netflix has ever spent that kind of money before. Production for 2.5 hours was about $150 million. I’m not sure Netflix would commit the $600 million needed to do 10 hours of this so it would have ended up looking and sounding a lot cheaper.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I read the book in college and then again a couple of years ago. My college friends and I went to see the Lynch movie and I spent like 40% of the movie and a couple of hours after explaining everything.
I guess what I’m saying is that this very hard science fiction; it’s nerdom turned up to 14. There are plots within plots within plots. There’s no shame in not understanding it. While I haven’t seen it yet, I look forward to doing so.
My
I guess what I’m saying is that this very hard science fiction; it’s nerdom turned up to 14. There are plots within plots within plots. There’s no shame in not understanding it. While I haven’t seen it yet, I look forward to doing so.
My
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Seemed pretty easy to follow. They did a good job simplifying it for an audience that isn’t familiar with the book.I read the book in college and then again a couple of years ago. My college friends and I went to see the Lynch movie and I spent like 40% of the movie and a couple of hours after explaining everything.
I guess what I’m saying is that this very hard science fiction; it’s nerdom turned up to 14. There are plots within plots within plots. There’s no shame in not understanding it. While I haven’t seen it yet, I look forward to doing so.
My
I agree. I’ve never read the book(s?) and I thought the movie was really good and didn’t feel lost.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
Exactly how I felt. I never read the books or watched the other movie, and I seemed to track it pretty well.
As far as the movie, I like it. Didn’t love it, but maybe that has more to do with the ending. And that Zendaya is a pretty great actress, and she had like 10 minutes total. Maybe less. On the plus side, the Chalamet kid is always great, the visuals were amazing, and Jason Momoa is always fun.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah I was surprised how little Zendaya was in it. I assume she has a much larger role in the second half of the story.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I liked it. Never read any books and really knew nothing going in
Question. So the Emperor replaces the family on the spice world, only to support the outgoing family warring against them to get the spice world back. But would that not appear as in direct violation of the Emperor’s order? Doesn’t make sense to me.
Question. So the Emperor replaces the family on the spice world, only to support the outgoing family warring against them to get the spice world back. But would that not appear as in direct violation of the Emperor’s order? Doesn’t make sense to me.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Corporation
Angry Bovine
This. Shot beautifully and the actors are great. The story line was plodding. I felt like they could do what they did in an hour, and it was a 2 hour and 30-45 minute movie. Pacing was just too slow.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I think someone in there explained it but I could have misunderstood. The emperor was afraid of the strength of House Altreides so he gave them that planet because they didn't have "desert power". Once they were off their homeworld, they were easy pickings.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Finished it tonight and thought it was fantastic. Probably the best looking sci-fi film I've seen. Agree that if they could've made maybe a one season series out of this it would have been ideal. Is there only supposed to be one sequel? They have to make at least a trilogy out of this.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I have this question also, what's the plan going forward here and the timing of said plan?
TripItUp
Footballguy
thanks, I've watched this twice and missed it both times. I think I know which scenes now...they were difficult to follow.
I think part of it was also that Harkonnen wouldn’t attack Atreides on their home world and if the Emperor helped them it would have been an obvious attack by the emperor and all the other houses gang up and overthrow the emperor. The emperor put Atreides in a bad situation and only had to help a little (easier to hide). No other houses rise up if it seems like Harkonnen attacked on their own.Corporation said:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Corporation said:
I get that. But it still doesn't make sense.
The Emperor seems feared. Like you do what he asks of you. You don't question.
So he moved Harkonnen off of Arrakis, and they left. If they left due to an order, how is it feasible or expected that they would come back and attack Altreides and take it back? Especially in such short order.
The Altreides knew that they were being set up for failure and that the goal was to weaken them. That made perfect sense.
But having the Harkonnen come right back, with support from the Emperor's army, killing off the family and seeming destroying a lot of infrastructure to harvest/transport the spice as well? I don't get it.
Why was it not more having their new operation be continuously sabotaged? Then their inability to produce gives the Emperor political cover to replace them and lay siege -- make up some treasonous excuse as well that allowed for a surprise attack etc.
Or was there more of this in the book, that was left out, so this all in the book was not on such a truncated timeline?
You are missing the key part that the emperor was worried that Atreides itself was growing too powerful. Harkonnen can’t defeat Atreides on their home world without a ton of help from the emperor making it obvious that the supposed neutral emperor helped. That would put all other houses against the emperor.
The emperor asking them to run spice production and making Harkonnen the bad guys keeps the emperor in power and above reproach. Harkonnen agrees so they can keep skimming money and because Atreides can’t defend themselves properly.
They mentioned that a few times and while everyone knew what was happening the main point was to not get all the other houses involved because the emperor didn’t do it.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
I'm no expert on Dune by any stretch, so this is a total guess re: the Emperor's long game. If not just for the sole purpose of bringing down the Atreides, he may also be intentionally keeping the Space Guild off balance by causing a temporary crisis much like OPEC did with oil in the 70's.
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Footballguy
Haven't seen it yet but looking forward to it. As well done as the LOTR's series was, it was based on three books. Dune has roughly 15 in the series. From the comments, it appears this movie is similar to the Fellowship of the Ring in that gets the story started but can't really stand on it's own without the other films in the series.Tom Servo said:I read the book in college and then again a couple of years ago. My college friends and I went to see the Lynch movie and I spent like 40% of the movie and a couple of hours after explaining everything.
I guess what I’m saying is that this very hard science fiction; it’s nerdom turned up to 14. There are plots within plots within plots. There’s no shame in not understanding it. While I haven’t seen it yet, I look forward to doing so.
My
The Dune series has so much potential, I hope they get it right. The layers are ridiculous and this first movie or two just scratches the surface.
bigbottom
Footballguy
The feedback is interesting with some saying it felt rushed while others felt it was too slow. Ultimately, I think the issue was they they spent so much screen time on beautiful set shots (which were amazing) that it left less time to cover plot points and develop characters. As mentioned upthread, I was able to make it through about 100+ pages of the novel before putting it down, so I certainly was able to follow what was going on. But even in those beginning chapters I remember Gurney and Thufir being major characters and they almost felt like afterthoughts in this film. And while they did slightly better with Duncan Idaho, I still wasn’t invested in him enough when it came to his big fight scene for there to be an emotional impact.
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Are we able to talk some mild spoilers/ask some questions or should we start another thread? Anybody know how to get spoilertags to work?
TripItUp
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Would have been incredible but a massive risk. Thrones S1 was about $5 million an hour. It slowly grew to where the final season was up to $15 million an hour. Obviously that’s a far cry from the about $50 million an hour of the movie. Plus I doubt you get one of the premier sci-fi visionaries to sigh on for a “TV show”. Maybe eventually NF and HBO get there but it’s still a wide gap in production value.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I thought the pacing was fine. The best part was the atmosphere and world they built so lots of time soaking that it was cool for me. I’m not surprised some said it felt rushed and others felt it was too slow. I feel like that is the same reaction people have to almost every show. If there was an episode of GoT without a fight scene some people said it was a boring episode. Then when they were full throttle with constant action, others complained it was moving too fast. Just different expectations and attention spans I suppose. I felt an emotional pay off when Duncan died but that’s probably credit to the casting director and actor more than anything else. Jason Momoa has a presence about him and he also brings with him our past experiences with him as Drogo or Aquaman or whatever else you have seen him in. Even if we haven’t seen Duncan much, we are very familiar with Momoa and we really like him so it felt significant.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I know I am in the minority, but less talk of making everything into a TV show, please. We need more quality movies, less TV shows!
Plan to try this one this week. Probably wed/thurs on my days off.
Plan to try this one this week. Probably wed/thurs on my days off.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Apparently HBO is doing a show on the Sisterhood. Even though technically Dune Part 2 hasn't been greenlit yet.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Unfortunately, you may find that this ends up feeling like a quality tv series, but one where you have to wait two years for the next episode.
bigbottom
Footballguy
That’s a really interesting insight regarding our reaction to the actor chosen to play the role. I think you’re on to something.