****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (29 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

For what it is worth, on keeptradecut, Swift is still (for now) slightly ahead of Charbonnet, and if we had our rookie draft today and I had the 1.03, it would be Charbonnet.

Charbonnet 1.3? Hell no. It’s either JSN or Gibbs in non-SF at 1.3. Charbonnet is a reach that high. You might as well move down if you have to have Charbonnet. While he may be OK, he is just that. He is a plodder IMO.

 

[eighsse2]

For what it is worth, on keeptradecut, Swift is still (for now) slightly ahead of Charbonnet, and if we had our rookie draft today and I had the 1.03, it would be Charbonnet.

Charbonnet 1.3? Hell no. It’s either JSN or Gibbs in non-SF at 1.3. Charbonnet is a reach that high. You might as well move down if you have to have Charbonnet. While he may be OK, he is just th…. He is a plodder IMO.

Our league drafted 10 RB's in the first 11 picks last year.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

That said, I don’t feel I’m being unrealistic in any way by suggesting that David Montgomery is an upgrade to Williams. As such, he could (could) be a threat to eat into Swift’s role a little.

Montgomery split carries with Herbert last season.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

You said this before discussing him again.

I don’t think it’s pointless - every issue needs two sides. A lot of folks are down on swift as they were burned by him more than once in redraft and/or dynasty.

Heck, I just picked up Bateman for the equivalent of a 2023 late 2nd on a player I’m certain was a 1st round Dynasty pick 2 years ago.

I’m sure a lot of folks are out on Bateman, too.

Swift is a deeply polarizing player right now. He’d probably be a great buy-low if the Swift shareholder in your league is willing to let him go for that.

Like, the trade above - I’d be in on Swift for that price. Seems crazy to not take that shot.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I don’t think it’s pointless

So? I do, obviously.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

 

[JohnnyU]

For what it is worth, on keeptradecut, Swift is still (for now) slightly ahead of Charbonnet, and if we had our rookie draft today and I had the 1.03, it would be Charbonnet.

Charbonnet 1.3? Hell no. It’s either JSN or Gibbs in non-SF at 1.3. Charbonnet is a reach that high. You might as well move down if you have to have Charbonnet. While he may be OK, he is just th…. He is a plodder IMO.

Our league drafted 10 RB's in the first 11 picks last year.

That doesn’t make it right unless you have some ridiculous RB rules.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

I didn’t say I was leaving the board. Your BS doesn’t stink that badly.

 

[eighsse2]

Also as far as my Swift valuation, I'm sure it is being buoyed by my emotions as I drafted him as a rookie and have held on with high expectations. I always try to keep emotions out but I'm sure they're weighing on the scale. Also do not mistake what I'm saying for: You guys are crazy! Swift is going to be a top 10 fantasy RB for the next three years!

It's a risk/reward thing, I get that he carries a lot of risk.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

You’re very observant. Also bad at reading comprehension. I didn’t say I was leaving the board.

I took it as leaving this thread since you said you are done discussing him because it was pointless, not leaving the board. its you with the reading comprehension issue, not me.

 

[menobrown]

12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL

• Team A gave up Swift, D'Andre DET RB
• Team B gave up Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2023 Draft Pick 2.07

I'd pay the 1.7 for Swift if I got a spot open but any throw in would have be a lot less then 2.7.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t think it’s pointless

So? I do, obviously.

I was trying to keep things harmonious to encourage productive discussion.

 

[eighsse2]

For what it is worth, on keeptradecut, Swift is still (for now) slightly ahead of Charbonnet, and if we had our rookie draft today and I had the 1.03, it would be Charbonnet.

Charbonnet 1.3? Hell no. It’s either JSN or Gibbs in non-SF at 1.3. Charbonnet is a reach that high. You might as well move down if you have to have Charbonnet. While he may be OK, he is just th…. He is a plodder IMO.

Our league drafted 10 RB's in the first 11 picks last year.

That doesn’t make it right unless you have some ridiculous RB rules.

I do believe that my league overvalues RB's. However, being a QRRWWFKD lineup (I know most leagues require a TE, and I think a lot of them require 3 WR and/or 2 FX), the WWF slots are fairly easy to fill, making RB's especially valueable. But, 10/11 last year was nonsense.

I will say this, though. Remember covid, when people would buy eight 24-packs of toilet paper, not because they were afraid the world was ending, but because they were afraid that the people who thought the world was ending were going to run the stores out of toilet paper? That is why there is no way I will ever take a non-RB in the first 2 or 3, or probably even 7 picks. If I want a top-3 WR, I will just trade down to 14.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL

• Team A gave up Swift, D'Andre DET RB
• Team B gave up Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2023 Draft Pick 2.07

I'd pay the 1.7 for Swift if I got a spot open but any throw in would have be a lot less then 2.7.

I would probably pay 1.07 + 2.07 for Swift in my 12-team PPR, (0 K or D/ST) if I needed a RB. He's worth a shot at that price.

Prior to 2022 I would have demanded 2x 1sts, with one being early as the Swift shareholder.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

You’re very observant. Also bad at reading comprehension. I didn’t say I was leaving the board.

I took it as leaving this thread since you said you are done discussing him because it was pointless, not leaving the board. its you with the reading comprehension issue, not me.

No saying I’m not going to discuss Swify =/ not being in the thread.

Anyway I had already edited my post to be less harsh but guess you responded too quickly.

 

[Blick]

For what it is worth, on keeptradecut, Swift is still (for now) slightly ahead of Charbonnet, and if we had our rookie draft today and I had the 1.03, it would be Charbonnet.

Charbonnet 1.3? Hell no. It’s either JSN or Gibbs in non-SF at 1.3. Charbonnet is a reach that high. You might as well move down if you have to have Charbonnet. While he may be OK, he is just th…. He is a plodder IMO.

Our league drafted 10 RB's in the first 11 picks last year.

That doesn’t make it right unless you have some ridiculous RB rules.

I do believe that my league overvalues RB's. However, being a QRRWWFKD lineup (I know most leagues require a TE, and I think a lot of them require 3 WR and/or 2 FX), the WWF slots are fairly easy to fill, making RB's especially valueable. But, 10/11 last year was nonsense.

I will say this, though. Remember covid, when people would buy eight 24-packs of toilet paper, not because they were afraid the world was ending, but because they were afraid that the people who thought the world was ending were going to run the stores out of toilet paper? That is why there is no way I will ever take a non-RB in the first 2 or 3, or probably even 7 picks. If I want a top-3 WR, I will just trade down to 14.

I HATE RBs.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL

• Team A gave up Swift, D'Andre DET RB
• Team B gave up Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2023 Draft Pick 2.07

Did team B not hear about the Monty signing before hitting accept on this offer?

It happened yesterday at 10:45 pm, so probably (unless he wasn't paying attention). I wasn't involved, but that news wouldn't have changed anything for me - as I would have expected Williams back anyway.

Even if Ja-Will was back instead of Monty....with Swift's injury history, he isn't worth the 1.07 any more I don't think. I tried telling people in this thread last year that he was over valued but got a lot of arguments. Unless Swift could stay on the field and have the bigger % of a committee then this is definitely too much for him.

I guess I'm still just the crazy Swifty truther, but no, just no way I'd trade Swift for a pick lower than 1.03. Ceiling isn't  likely, but it's plausible and it's extreme.

Really? You still believe that? How many years will it take? I would take the 1.7 and 2.7 and run.

I feel like this may be the last justifiable season to be a believer. One major key to me is the question of "durability concern" versus "random bad luck in health". If he's out or limited the majority of the season again, then yeah I guess that would probably convince me he just can't hold up. But my high valuation of him depends on the possibility that what we've seen is a rather unlikely fluke. The sample size is getting pretty significant, though. Flip a coin 50 times and tell me every significant portion of the result sequence looks completely patternless.

Possibly but he had shoulder issues in college too and now that is one of the issues he is having in the pros too. Also, a groin injury he had in college that he also had in the pros. When hurting the same body parts that can't be just bad luck. Plus, even when he was supposedly healthy last year, it didn't seem like he had full trust of the Lions.

Good points. Yes, the trust situation is irritating, too. Suppose -- just suppose, humor me -- he goes out there and rocks it in the receiving game, and the occasional shots he gets on the ground. Outperforms Montgomery by a good margin. Has no injuries or practice limitations through the first 5 games. I feel like he could slowly garner that trust back. Basically, just saying, though injuries and trust may be two problems, if the former is solved, the latter could/should follow. Now, the odds that the above suppositions actually come true? Okay, maybe a generous 15%. Y'all probably saying "generous? That's an understatement."

Lol. I'm not saying it couldn't happen and the talent is definitely there. I just feel like I have seen enough in college and the NFL that I just think that percentage is too low for me to trade an early or mid 1st for. I probably would hold him for a really late 1st or early 2nd if I had him and hope for the upside like you are. I don't have him anywhere.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

I didn’t say I was leaving the board. Your BS doesn’t stink that badly.

You keep editing. I thought you were leaving this thread because it was pointless to keep discussing Swift/?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

I didn’t say I was leaving the board. Your BS doesn’t stink that badly.

You keep editing. I thought you were leaving this thread because it was pointless to keep discussing Swift/?

Just another thing you were wrong about I guess.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

For what it is worth, on keeptradecut, Swift is still (for now) slightly ahead of Charbonnet, and if we had our rookie draft today and I had the 1.03, it would be Charbonnet.

I get that but not really fair before we know draft spots. I would also argue that is a bit high for Charbs but I do like him. Don't think you can rank him over Bijan, JSN, or Gibbs right now. That doesn't count Quentin Johnston or Addison. I have Charbs at 5-6 and I would rather have him over Swift personally. Again, I do understand the other side just when you watch him have those big games where he looks like an absolute stud.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

I didn’t say I was leaving the board. Your BS doesn’t stink that badly.

You keep editing. I thought you were leaving this thread because it was pointless to keep discussing Swift/?

Just another thing you were wrong about I guess.

You’re a hoot.

 

[eighsse2]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

I didn’t say I was leaving the board. Your BS doesn’t stink that badly.

You keep editing. I thought you were leaving this thread because it was pointless to keep discussing Swift/?

This isn't the Swift thread, maybe he will stay here to discuss other dynasty trades. Though right now he isn't.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This isn't the Swift thread

 

[JohnnyU]

I wouldn’t call a lot of it false narrative

Color me shocked that the biggest Swift detractor doesn’t think so. Shocked I tell, you.

Anyway, I’m done discussing him since it’s pointless.

…..yet here you still are.

I didn’t say I was leaving the board. Your BS doesn’t stink that badly.

You keep editing. I thought you were leaving this thread because it was pointless to keep discussing Swift/?

This isn't the Swift thread, maybe he will stay here to discuss other dynasty trades. Though right now he isn't.

Seems pretty much focused on Swift. Swift should be a spokesperson for bubble wrap.

 

[menobrown]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For what it is worth, on keeptradecut, Swift is still (for now) slightly ahead of Charbonnet, and if we had our rookie draft today and I had the 1.03, it would be Charbonnet.

I get that but not really fair before we know draft spots. I would also argue that is a bit high for Charbs but I do like him. Don't think you can rank him over Bijan, JSN, or Gibbs right now. That doesn't count Quentin Johnston or Addison. I have Charbs at 5-6 and I would rather have him over Swift personally. Again, I do understand the other side just when you watch him have those big games where he looks like an absolute stud.

Depending on landing spot, I probably like him better than Swift, too. Especially if that landing spot is as a feature back. Or the 1A in MIA to Mostert's 1B. I see Mostert as less of a threat to Charb in that scenario than I do Monty to Swift.

 

[JohnnyU]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

Deebo seems more valuable to me. We know that Deebo has an injury history. Also, IMO there is a big di between 1.7 and 2.7 vs 1.9

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

The Deebo shareholder in my league balked at the idea of including him in any deal because he's "a game-breaking WR who is capable of being the WR1 based on his rushing/receiving role". I copied that directly from the rejection message.

That's the mentality. I don't think it's right, and I think you make a great point about his injury risk, but people get a narrative in their head & then it's cemented. IMO the same thing is happening with Swift. When I tried to move him before last year I couldn't find a taker - and literally every person I reached out to (in a 16 team league where RBs are very hard to come by!) said the same thing, "he can't stay healthy".

I was very fortunate to get great return on him last month. Until he stays on the field and strings together a couple of months of productivity, he's going to be a difficult player to move. The perception needs to change, and that takes time. And fair or not, the instant he misses even a couple of plays with a bruise, the narrative is reinforced in people's minds & the clock starts over again.

Right now he's either a sell-low or a hold for shareholders. I wouldn't sell him low.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

Looking at just the stats you posted that is fair but positions matter. RBs careers don't last as long and commitment matters. The Lions don't look committed completely to Swift, the Niners look committed to Deebo.

 

[menobrown]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

Deebo seems more valuable to me. We know that Deebo has an injury history. Also, IMO there is a big di between 1.7 and 2.7 vs 1.9

Do you constantly rip Deebo like you do Swift for his injuries? Since Swift has been in the league you constantly cite that he was dinged up in college. Deebo was hurt all the time in college, loads of missed games. Was his biggest issue coming into the league. I don't see you constantly harping on that.

I realize the cost was different but not to extreme the pendulum or your opinion swings so wildly between "what is someone thinking giving up Deebo" for 1.9 and run like the wind to take 1.7/2.7 for Swift because he's always dinged.

So my point stands regardless of your personal valuation. You constantly rip one guy for his injuries but fail to cite it as a negative for the other guy and like I said, that's bizarre. Comes across as having some strange axe to grind.

 

[JohnnyU]

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

The Deebo shareholder in my league balked at the idea of including him in any deal because he's "a game-breaking WR who is capable of being the WR1 based on his rushing/receiving role". I copied that directly from the rejection message.

That's the mentality. I don't think it's right, and I think you make a great point about his injury risk, but people get a narrative in their head & then it's cemented. IMO the same thing is happening with Swift. When I tried to move him before last year I couldn't find a taker - and literally every person I reached out to (in a 16 team league where RBs are very hard to come by!) said the same thing, "he can't stay healthy".

I was very fortunate to get great return on him last month. Until he stays on the field and strings together a couple of months of productivity, he's going to be a difficult player to move. The perception needs to change, and that takes time. And fair or not, the instant he misses even a couple of plays with a bruise, the narrative is reinforced in people's minds & the clock starts over again.

Right now he's either a sell-low or a hold for shareholders. I wouldn't sell him low.

A guy in one of my leagues sold Bijan Robinson for Barkley and Swift. Classic case of falling for name recognition. Why do people do this?

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

The Deebo shareholder in my league balked at the idea of including him in any deal because he's "a game-breaking WR who is capable of being the WR1 based on his rushing/receiving role". I copied that directly from the rejection message.

That's the mentality. I don't think it's right, and I think you make a great point about his injury risk, but people get a narrative in their head & then it's cemented. IMO the same thing is happening with Swift. When I tried to move him before last year I couldn't find a taker - and literally every person I reached out to (in a 16 team league where RBs are very hard to come by!) said the same thing, "he can't stay healthy".

I was very fortunate to get great return on him last month. Until he stays on the field and strings together a couple of months of productivity, he's going to be a difficult player to move. The perception needs to change, and that takes time. And fair or not, the instant he misses even a couple of plays with a bruise, the narrative is reinforced in people's minds & the clock starts over again.

Right now he's either a sell-low or a hold for shareholders. I wouldn't sell him low.

I agree, I'm not a big sell low guy. I think he is one of those players that is more valuable to the person that owns him than to the person that would be getting him in most cases. I can see upside but I don't think you could compare him in value to Deebo really at all. I can see a world where Swift is a stud but I do think that % is low enough to keep me out on him now. If I drafted him and held him though, it would be enough for me to hold him and hope for the upside.

 

[menobrown]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

Looking at just the stats you posted that is fair but positions matter. RBs careers don't last as long and commitment matters. The Lions don't look committed completely to Swift, the Niners look committed to Deebo.

That is already considered but the 3 year age gap more then makes up that difference, more so IMO when you consider Deebo is a hybrid WR/RB.

 

[eighsse2]

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

The Deebo shareholder in my league balked at the idea of including him in any deal because he's "a game-breaking WR who is capable of being the WR1 based on his rushing/receiving role". I copied that directly from the rejection message.

That's the mentality. I don't think it's right, and I think you make a great point about his injury risk, but people get a narrative in their head & then it's cemented. IMO the same thing is happening with Swift. When I tried to move him before last year I couldn't find a taker - and literally every person I reached out to (in a 16 team league where RBs are very hard to come by!) said the same thing, "he can't stay healthy".

I was very fortunate to get great return on him last month. Until he stays on the field and strings together a couple of months of productivity, he's going to be a difficult player to move. The perception needs to change, and that takes time. And fair or not, the instant he misses even a couple of plays with a bruise, the narrative is reinforced in people's minds & the clock starts over again.

Right now he's either a sell-low or a hold for shareholders. I wouldn't sell him low.

A guy in one of my leagues sold Bijan Robinson for Barkley and Swift. Classic case of falling for name recognition. Why do people do this?

Yeah, that's going a little far. If Bijan is your only RB ... Then I get it, but still, no. If Barkley were younger, sure. But at 26, no.

 

[JohnnyU]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

Deebo seems more valuable to me. We know that Deebo has an injury history. Also, IMO there is a big di between 1.7 and 2.7 vs 1.9

Do you constantly rip Deebo like you do Swift for his injuries? Since Swift has been in the league you constantly cite that he was dinged up in college. Deebo was hurt all the time in college, loads of missed games. Was his biggest issue coming into the league. I don't see you constantly harping on that.

I realize the cost was different but not to extreme the pendulum or your opinion swings so wildly between "what is someone thinking giving up Deebo" for 1.9 and run like the wind to take 1.7/2.7 for Swift because he's always dinged.

So my point stands regardless of your personal valuation. You constantly rip one guy for his injuries but fail to cite it as a negative for the other guy and like I said, that's bizarre. Comes across as having some strange axe to grind.

I think Deebo is a more valuable fantasy asset than Swift. Also, without formal documentation , isn’t it evaluation, not valuation? Evaluation describes a more informal, ad hoc assessment; a valuation is a formal report that covers all aspects of value with supporting documentation.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

Looking at just the stats you posted that is fair but positions matter. RBs careers don't last as long and commitment matters. The Lions don't look committed completely to Swift, the Niners look committed to Deebo.

That is already considered but the 3 year age gap more then makes up that difference, more so IMO when you consider Deebo is a hybrid WR/RB.

Fair point but I think we will see when it comes time for him to sign his next contract though. Commitment is a big thing and watching Lions games when Swift was "healthy" and not getting the touches made me think there was no way he would get that commitment. Your argument on Deebo having injury issues too is fair but I would still value him over Swift easily personally. The concerns still need to be there and I don't see Deebo as a sure WR1 that some do and that is coming from a huge Niner fan.

I don't fault your stance but disagree slightly but to be fair, I have been down on Swift for a while. Just a gut feeling and part of that is I'm not a fan of Lions RBs and haven't been for many years. It would just make me uncomfortable to put too many assets on Swift. Especially after what we have seen the last year or so. To be fair though, I wouldn't make a huge offer for Deebo either.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

A guy in one of my leagues sold Bijan Robinson for Barkley and Swift. Classic case of falling for name recognition. Why do people do this?

Ah yes, the old “2 nickels for a dime” deal.

Classic. I’ve offered more than my fair share of these. When they get accepted it’s glorious.

That said, in this particular case it’s more like “a dime for $0.15” since Barkley is a stud (albeit 5 years older) and Swift could return better than expected value.

I don’t hate that deal. I could make a case for either side of it.

 

[eighsse2]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

Deebo seems more valuable to me. We know that Deebo has an injury history. Also, IMO there is a big di between 1.7 and 2.7 vs 1.9

Do you constantly rip Deebo like you do Swift for his injuries? Since Swift has been in the league you constantly cite that he was dinged up in college. Deebo was hurt all the time in college, loads of missed games. Was his biggest issue coming into the league. I don't see you constantly harping on that.

I realize the cost was different but not to extreme the pendulum or your opinion swings so wildly between "what is someone thinking giving up Deebo" for 1.9 and run like the wind to take 1.7/2.7 for Swift because he's always dinged.

So my point stands regardless of your personal valuation. You constantly rip one guy for his injuries but fail to cite it as a negative for the other guy and like I said, that's bizarre. Comes across as having some strange axe to grind.

I think Deebo is a more valuable fantasy asset than Swift. Also, without formal documentation , isn’t it evaluation, not valuation? Evaluation describes a more informal, ad hoc assessment; a valuation is a formal report that covers all aspects of value with supporting documentation.

Interesting, never heard that distinction before. I always just used the word valuation as a more literally "value-related" sense of evaluation. Where I might use  evaluate to mean simply "assessing a situation and figuring out what I think of it", I would use  valuation only in a case where I was determining an actual value (better when a numerical value, but verbal is sufficient) of a particular asset, of any type. But that's just my personal usage; I have no clue what the dictionaries say.

 

[joey]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gets 1.09
Team B gets Deebo Samuel

Funny to me that some of the same people ripping Swift and citing him being injures and playing with them think it's crazy to give Deebo up for 1.9.

Deebo has played 77% of available games in his career. Swift is at 80%.

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

I thought the same thing when I saw this trade: I.e. it’s pretty close.
as a person who rostered Deebo last year (albeit in redraft) his inconsistency and unavailability made him maddening to start. If I’m that person who dealt with Deebo’s last season performance and results, I might be willing to just say “yeah, give me a new 1st round dart throw and take him off my hands”. Might be short sighted but not a totally insane take.

 

[opensourcebeer]

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

The Deebo shareholder in my league balked at the idea of including him in any deal because he's "a game-breaking WR who is capable of being the WR1 based on his rushing/receiving role". I copied that directly from the rejection message.

That's the mentality. I don't think it's right, and I think you make a great point about his injury risk, but people get a narrative in their head & then it's cemented. IMO the same thing is happening with Swift. When I tried to move him before last year I couldn't find a taker - and literally every person I reached out to (in a 16 team league where RBs are very hard to come by!) said the same thing, "he can't stay healthy".

I was very fortunate to get great return on him last month. Until he stays on the field and strings together a couple of months of productivity, he's going to be a difficult player to move. The perception needs to change, and that takes time. And fair or not, the instant he misses even a couple of plays with a bruise, the narrative is reinforced in people's minds & the clock starts over again.

Right now he's either a sell-low or a hold for shareholders. I wouldn't sell him low.

To give a bit of context to the trade, the owner getting the 1.09 finished second last year, doesn't have his 1.11, and is an experienced owner who's won a helluva lot more league championships then I ever will. His WR corp after the trade is Diggs, Higgins, St Brown, and Meyers. Deebo started (bestball) a total of 6 times last season for him. He's decent at RB (Jacobs, Pollard, Gibson, Williams) and great at TE (Andrews). He's only got Cousins at QB, so I'm about 75% sure he's looking to grab the pick of the litter at QB with that 1.09. He might also being thinking about trying to grab another RB given the class. Either way, the league over values QBs, which seems to be a result of it being bestball.

The team getting Deebo had an existing WR corp of Chase, Hollywood, Sutton, and G. Davis. That team is coming to the end of a rebuild with Fields, Lance, Mac at QB, Hall, Walker, Robinson (1.01) at RB, and a motley crew of Muth, Kmet, Dawson, and Duluich at TE.

 

[menobrown]

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

The Deebo shareholder in my league balked at the idea of including him in any deal because he's "a game-breaking WR who is capable of being the WR1 based on his rushing/receiving role". I copied that directly from the rejection message.

That's the mentality. I don't think it's right, and I think you make a great point about his injury risk, but people get a narrative in their head & then it's cemented. IMO the same thing is happening with Swift. When I tried to move him before last year I couldn't find a taker - and literally every person I reached out to (in a 16 team league where RBs are very hard to come by!) said the same thing, "he can't stay healthy".

I was very fortunate to get great return on him last month. Until he stays on the field and strings together a couple of months of productivity, he's going to be a difficult player to move. The perception needs to change, and that takes time. And fair or not, the instant he misses even a couple of plays with a bruise, the narrative is reinforced in people's minds & the clock starts over again.

Right now he's either a sell-low or a hold for shareholders. I wouldn't sell him low.

To give a bit of context to the trade, the owner getting the 1.09 finished second last year, doesn't have his 1.11, and is an experienced owner who's won a helluva lot more league championships then I ever will. His WR corp after the trade is Diggs, Higgins, St Brown, and Meyers. He's decent at RB (Jacobs, Pollard, Gibson, Williams) and great at TE (Andrews). He's only got Cousins at QB, so I'm about 75% sure he's looking to grab the pick of the litter at QB with that 1.09. He might also being thinking about trying to grab another RB given the class. Either way, the league over values QBs, which seems to be a result of it being bestball.

The team getting Deebo had an existing WR corp of Chase, Hollywood, Sutton, and G. Davis. That team is coming to the end of a rebuild with Fields, Lance, Mac at QB, Hall, Walker, Robinson (1.01) at RB, and a motley crew of Muth, Kmet, Dawson, and Duluich at TE.

I had never given my opinion of the Deebo trade, was more commenting on disparity of reaction to Swift and his injury history vs Deebo's.

But as for the Deebo trade I can see both sides so thought it was fair. Coming from my angle I've got a team that's been a longtime contender and I tried to trade him away last off season after his breakout year and the market was cold. Tried dealing him this offseason and no one wants him, everyone rejected me and best offer I got was a second and some change. Part of the reason I was looking to move him was roster space due to pending cut downs (FFPC short roster leagues) and/or using assets to get some young RB's, fairly deep at WR and he's my "old" one. So me when I look at it from that angle it's a reasonable trade and I can also see paying that for him if you got a WR/flex need. But I truly don't think I could get 1.9 for him in the league I have him.

 

[BigAl21]

Thought this was an offer in one of my FFPC, 1QB league
Give; 1.02, 2024 2nd
Got; Lamb, Likely
I smashed accept and then realized this was the one super flex orphan I just picked up. Never played SF before. Not terribly upset with it in hindsight but I would have maybe not accepted had it dawned on me

 

[IHEARTFF]

Thought this was an offer in one of my FFPC, 1QB league
Give; 1.02, 2024 2nd
Got; Lamb, Likely
I smashed accept and then realized this was the one super flex orphan I just picked up. Never played SF before. Not terribly upset with it in hindsight but I would have maybe not accepted had it dawned on me

Lamb still wins

 

[opensourcebeer]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gives: Gabe Davis, Josh Palmer, Pat Freiermuth

Team B gives: Jameson Williams

 

[eighsse2]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gives: Gabe Davis, Josh Palmer, Pat Freiermuth

Team B gives: Jameson Williams

Jameson all day.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

And for the "but, Swift was not all the way healthy in those games" he has averaged 14.89 in those games, Deebo coming in at 15.3. For some reason one of them is considered injury prone and the other gets a pass. Bizarre.

The Deebo shareholder in my league balked at the idea of including him in any deal because he's "a game-breaking WR who is capable of being the WR1 based on his rushing/receiving role". I copied that directly from the rejection message.

That's the mentality. I don't think it's right, and I think you make a great point about his injury risk, but people get a narrative in their head & then it's cemented. IMO the same thing is happening with Swift. When I tried to move him before last year I couldn't find a taker - and literally every person I reached out to (in a 16 team league where RBs are very hard to come by!) said the same thing, "he can't stay healthy".

I was very fortunate to get great return on him last month. Until he stays on the field and strings together a couple of months of productivity, he's going to be a difficult player to move. The perception needs to change, and that takes time. And fair or not, the instant he misses even a couple of plays with a bruise, the narrative is reinforced in people's minds & the clock starts over again.

Right now he's either a sell-low or a hold for shareholders. I wouldn't sell him low.

To give a bit of context to the trade, the owner getting the 1.09 finished second last year, doesn't have his 1.11, and is an experienced owner who's won a helluva lot more league championships then I ever will. His WR corp after the trade is Diggs, Higgins, St Brown, and Meyers. Deebo started (bestball) a total of 6 times last season for him. He's decent at RB (Jacobs, Pollard, Gibson, Williams) and great at TE (Andrews). He's only got Cousins at QB, so I'm about 75% sure he's looking to grab the pick of the litter at QB with that 1.09. He might also being thinking about trying to grab another RB given the class. Either way, the league over values QBs, which seems to be a result of it being bestball.

The team getting Deebo had an existing WR corp of Chase, Hollywood, Sutton, and G. Davis. That team is coming to the end of a rebuild with Fields, Lance, Mac at QB, Hall, Walker, Robinson (1.01) at RB, and a motley crew of Muth, Kmet, Dawson, and Duluich at TE.

I can see the argument on both sides and roster consideration/other assets always matters in trades. I would just say that with just looking at value, I'd take Deebo over 1.09. Sometimes you take less value in a trade to get what you want though. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Thought this was an offer in one of my FFPC, 1QB league
Give; 1.02, 2024 2nd
Got; Lamb, Likely
I smashed accept and then realized this was the one super flex orphan I just picked up. Never played SF before. Not terribly upset with it in hindsight but I would have maybe not accepted had it dawned on me

I would still accept this but if you have a big need at QB, then you might need to keep that pick. Just looking at straight value though, I'd take the Lamb side as I am a big fan of his, he is young, and should have many big seasons in front of him. Your roster matters though in this one I think as QBs are just so hard to come by in SF.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gives: Gabe Davis, Josh Palmer, Pat Freiermuth

Team B gives: Jameson Williams

This feels light for Williams. Davis showed us what he is this year after everyone was jocking him for his 200 yard/4 TD playoff game. Palmer still behind 2 stars and I hear LAC might draft another high WR. I like Patty F but I don't think you can give up on a talent like Jameson Williams without seeing what you have unless it is an obvious overpay and this isn't that.

 

[Birdie048]

12 team bestball ppr 1qb

Team A gives: Gabe Davis, Josh Palmer, Pat Freiermuth

Team B gives: Jameson Williams

I’d pay that all day!!
Jameson all the way here.
Gabe is nice but Not Buff WR1, Palmer is WR3 in LAC & likely have competition this draft. Freier is the only thing you really gave up

 

[ffmail4me]

Made a trade in my 12 team PPR Best Ball SF Dynasty League...I think I'm taking most of the risk doing this trade right now, but no risk it no biscuit right?

Gave: Stafford, Trubisky, Peoples-Jones
Got: Howell, Brissett, Brian Robinson