Boston
Footballguy
I have zero issues with either side.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (18 Viewers)
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I have zero issues with either side.
Boston
Footballguy
I get it from both sides...if you want Waddle you are going to have to step up and you did...he is that type of player...the other guy gets a very fair deal...I really like how Waddle slots into your WR unit...if Kupp come back to even 80% of what he was that starting unit/top 4 is going to be a handful...as much as I like Pickens the Steelers O looks like it is going to be a grind which makes it much easier to pull the trigger on this deal.
Boston
Footballguy
Dynasty-wise this is a steal...Laporta is 22 years old and has a chance to be an elite fantasy TE and that is one of the toughest things to dig up...this is a horrible trade for the other guy...Ford is found $ for you right now and who knows what the future holds for him and a #2 is peanuts to add in to get this type of young player...accept right now before this guy wakes up or LaPorta has another big game.
Blick
Footballguy
Smash it!!!
Birdie048
Footballguy
IN A HEART BEAT!
La Porta can be a Dynasty Top 5 TE for years to come... Giving away Ford and a 2nd is CHEAP
dschuler
Footballguy
For sure. I’m seriously considering sending out Hock for La Porta as a feeler
I'd prefer Kincaid but seems reasonable to me, especially if you needed a TE right now.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I'm just thinking about it from a rookie draft perspective really.
Kincaid was going mid to late 1st round. Musgrave might have been backend of the 2nd. He was in the 3rd round of mine I think.
Has anything changed that drastically in 3 games to justify such a conflux in value?
They have the same number of catches and about 50 yards difference between them so far this year.
I'm the other coin of this trade, in every way.
I'm the guy that gave Goedert. Joey is currently in first and Ricky Bobby has accurately predicted where I sit in the standings. So between that and I got a healthy amount of TE's with Goedert being the "old" one of the group so he was the one I was wanting to move if the right deal came along.
When I saw your comment and the original post my first thought, and no offense, was that they are to caught up on where they were taken in the rookie drafts.
Did anything drastically change since? Yes I think so and again I'll preface it by saying I prefer Kincaid but I'm also one who is into playing the longer game.
First off I think people were just wrong on Musgrave and was posting in various forums here back in rookie draft season that I could not figure out why he was going so low. For me I always thought he should be in the same tier as LaPorta and Mayer.
But back to what has changed since. Musgrave is basicallly an every down player. The targets are fairly close, Musgrave is getting one mroe a game, but they are not equal. Kincaid's aDot is 3.5 and Musgrave is at 10. He's just missed on two TD's and if he connects on just one of those I think he's viewed different. I also think getting Doubs and Watson back will actually help him. I know for instance in week two Atlanta was lining up AJ Terrell on him often during the game.
In real world their draft capital was not even that far off. Like 15'ish picks, which goes back to what I was saying when I mentioned he was undervalued back in rookie drafts.
Bottom line to me is I like Kincaid long term but they don't know how to use him yet and Buffalo typically does not put a ton on the plate of rookies. Musgrave looks like an intergral part of Green Bays offense.
wlwiles
Footballguy
12 team SF 1PPR
Gave: Roschon
Got: Charbonnet
Original offer was his 2nd (likely late) for Roschon straight up, but when I declined he followed up with this (he also has Kahlil). I'm rebuilding so banking on Charb and his higher draft capital for the longer term, and kinda nice getting away from another Chicago share...
Gave: Roschon
Got: Charbonnet
Original offer was his 2nd (likely late) for Roschon straight up, but when I declined he followed up with this (he also has Kahlil). I'm rebuilding so banking on Charb and his higher draft capital for the longer term, and kinda nice getting away from another Chicago share...
Even if your 2024 2nd is a lock to be the 2.01 it’s still a big win for the side getting LaPorta.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Looking to trade J Conner in a 12 team league while he still has some value. Is a 2nd round pick too much to ask or too little?
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Certainly not too little. Dude's old as dirt, and his time will come soon. Pretty amazing how he has put up decent numbers though after people were ready to throw dirt on his grave years ago.
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Eta...I wouldn't want to pay a 2nd, but would a 3rd if need be. I really can't see him being rolled out again after this year.
joey
Footballguy
Your TEs in this league are ridiculous. (LaPorta, Pitts, Kincaid, Musgrave). Talk about a position of strength in FFPC’s TEP format. Heck, you can start 3 of the 4 each week with the 2 flex positions. (And it’s crazy to think that we all know which one of those 3 you’d likely bench, and we’d NEVER have guessed that 1.5 years ago).
Felt like a win/win for both of us.
as for waiting a little longer to trade away my 2024 1st for a TE….my current TEs were Schultz and McBride. When Schultz was with the Cowboys, he was a diamond in the rough that gave me Top 6-8 Te stats for a waiver-wire price. We all know he’s dropped off the planet and McBride ain’t ready yet to take over (if ever), so Goedert felt like the perfect balance of Win Now TE that’s not “too old” and someone that I wouldn’t need to give up the entire farm to acquire. Didn’t hurt that the perfect trade partner was a) in last place (sorry, Meno) and b) super-loaded at TE.
So he realized he was shooting himself in the foot if he traded LaPorta for Ford + a 2024 2nd? You should have accepted that offer as soon as you saw it before he changed his mind. People are allowed to change their mind before a deal is officially accepted so that's on you.
A 2024 1st is much more dependent on whether or not it's Superflex or 1QB and where it's at.
LaPorta in a 1QB league is probably worth around the price of Michael Pittman or Brandon Aiyuk at the moment so around the 1.05 to 1.07 draft pick range. If you're very confident you are a playoff team, need a TE, and think your pick will be in the 1.09 to 1.12 range it's still a worthwhile trade.
If it's Superflex, I would defer to someone who actually plays in Superflex league.
Regardless of whether or not this is a 1QB league or Superflex league, Jerome Ford should not have moved the needle all that much one way or the other for you in my opinion.
Weebs210
Footballguy
I hear what you are saying but he definitely wasn't going to accept it yesterday either. It's just the type of guy he is. Guy is a dbag. He is allowed to change his mind and I'm allowed to not want to trade either so not sure your point on that one. It was a verbal offer so nothing I could of accepted.
dschuler
Footballguy
I think you can make the argument for LaPorta being the #1 TE already in dynasty. His first three weeks have been fantastic. Either way, the only guy ahead of him is Hock. For this year, an early 2024 is more valuable than previous years. Caleb Williams will be a top 10 dynasty player on draft day, and Marvin Harrison Jr. is not far behind along with Drake Maye. The top 3 picks are more valuable than most #1 picks. So if you are getting a #1 that has top 3 potential in superflex I would keep it, outside of that LaPorta is worth a mid or late round first easily.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
That kind of flippage is how to win the long game in Dynasty. NIce work.
Boston
Footballguy
No problem either way...RBs long-term are always dicey so getting a #1 for two guys you got on the wire on a total rebuild is a solid cash-out...on the flip-side this is a real savvy move for the other guy...for 2023 if Ford keeps it up you get two quality starting-level RBs and you do so without touching your current roster...longer-term this could really work out in a big way as they are both only in their second year (although they both still have long-term questions as I never trust McVay and RBs and who knows what happens with Ford)...if I had a contending team I would not hesitate to do this deal but since I look at most RBs in a short-window of value I fully understand the cash out in your situation.
Blick
Footballguy
I'd feel better with 2 - 2024 2nds. That 2026 is too far out. I don't think you get a 1st though.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
1. What did you pay for him?
2. Why trade him now?
His ADP was somewhere around 1.10 and you've netted three picks in the 17-32 range. Plus he's ready to play tonight and we really haven't seen what he can do.
That’s a smash for the side getting Christian Watson in my opinion. The hit rate on 2nds even in 12 team leagues is low.
dschuler
Footballguy
I drafted Watson. I have Olave, Waddle, London, Dotson, Pickens, JSN, Watson, Marvin Mims Rashee Rice. My RBs are trash. I’m not really sure how much of an upgrade Watson would be over Dotson, London, or Pickens and I think JSN and Mims will come along and be starters next year. His uncertainty and injury risk had me want to move him. I plan on using the picks to combine with my first and maybe add a WR to get Caleb Williams at the 1.01 next season. I also value 2nd round picks higher this year than others due to the depth of the QB class, we may not see anything like this for quite some time.
eighsse2
Footballguy
You guys really need to get around to your rookie draft soon.
Same league:
Gave: Travis Etienne, Tyler Allgeier, Joshua Dobbs
Got: Breece Hall
Again, my team is tanking, so I don't care about scoring points this season -- in fact, I would like to score fewer points, so this trade accomplished that. I'm still a big believer in Hall, and hopefully the Jets get their QB situation settled.
FFPC Triflex (superflex, start 3 WR, TE premium)
Gave: Jordan Love, 2024 R3
Got: Justin Fields
The other team had Fields as his only healthy QB but he has no FAAB left, nor any 2024 picks. I offered Winston and Love for Fields (he has Carr), and he countered with this. I fully recognize that Fields may, in fact, suck at playing QB, but it was worth the price to find out.
Gave: Jordan Love, 2024 R3
Got: Justin Fields
The other team had Fields as his only healthy QB but he has no FAAB left, nor any 2024 picks. I offered Winston and Love for Fields (he has Carr), and he countered with this. I fully recognize that Fields may, in fact, suck at playing QB, but it was worth the price to find out.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Tanking is a naughty word, but as long as you’re starting your best lineup each week that is OK.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Define "best".
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It’s like porn, you know it when y see it
It's a best ball dynasty, so no starting lineup.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC TriFlex
I gave London
I got DJ Moore, 2024 2nd (my own)
I gave that same 2024 2nd
I got T Dell
not sure how to hedge that 2nd right now I mean I think it's a playoff team. Wouldn't mind if Fields starting playing QB again.
I gave London
I got DJ Moore, 2024 2nd (my own)
I gave that same 2024 2nd
I got T Dell
not sure how to hedge that 2nd right now I mean I think it's a playoff team. Wouldn't mind if Fields starting playing QB again.
Hugsy_Malone
Footballguy
That guy might be saying the same thing about Ridder, minus the "again" part. I'm not sure whose quarterback I'd rather have throwing to my receiver. (I know which quarterback I'd rather have as a QB in fantasy, but I'm not sure Ridder's any worse for London than Fields is for Moore.)
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Don’t jinx yourself. I just walked a black cat under a ladder and broke a mirror for you to try and reverse your jinx.
joey
Footballguy
Not sure why someone who rosters Tank Dell, who’s already showing so much promise, would trade him away for a 2nd. I mean, I’m sure that’s “fair value” but, boy, I’d wanna see where that ride takes me for a bit before turned him into a dart throw in the 2nd. Just me?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Not saying I’m going to win, just think it gives me the best team (for now). Missing the playoffs would be a rough blow right now after a 3-0 start.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree, seems like an odd move
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That team owner posted a message a couple weeks ago saying they're tearing everything down firesale. They ended up losing Chubb, Dobbins and Rodgers right off the bat and have been openly selling everything for anything. I made the London/Moore deal with a different owner and then immediately offered this 2nd for Dell. To their credit, though, they had just paid a 2nd they acquired for the package of Dell & A Pierce, so technically getting this 2nd back is like a free Pierce. If the 2nds are a wash. But this team is light years away from competing, so waiting to see what Dell does is probably not a big factor. Take the 2nd all day. I think it is a little overpay but I like Dell and in TriFlex the WRs on the wire are thinner because you can actually start up to 6 WRs. 3 are required plus 2 flex and 1 SF.
joey
Footballguy
All makes sense but I don’t see a 2nd for Dell as an overpay at all, especially since you mentioned that WRs in Triflex are more valuable and fewer on the wire.
and “tearing it all down”? Dell is a rookie with upside. Isn’t that exactly what you want when you’re tearing it all down?
Nice trade for you. You won that one for sure.
I would do this. Laporta looks like a stud
