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This was a small one. Robert Woods straight up for Nelson Agholor. PPR
Essentially, yes...but Cousins is a big upgrade and much safer than Bortles...so willing to roll the dice from Hilton to M.JonesSo Bortles and Hilton for Cousins and Marvin, while dropping a round in draft? I think I like it for you but can see both sides if someone prefers Hilton enough over Marvin.
Woods easilyThis was a small one. Robert Woods straight up for Nelson Agholor. PPR
I agree there isn’t a significant talent difference in that tier but it is likely one of them lands in a plum landing spot and separates a bit from the othersNot much difference in the quality of RB at 1.4 compared to 1.3. After Barkley and Guice there's not much difference between Michel and Jones, and to some Penny.
I don't own Duke anywhere but if that's his price check, I'd buy. He was practically free (and I like Breida)I guess this serves mostly as a price check on Duke
This was a small one. Robert Woods straight up for Nelson Agholor. PPR
In my standard ppr league Agholor finished as WR23 Woods was WR31. Cooper Kupp was also WR26. I'm not sure how much if any I'd assume they do better than that for all of them. Over the career I'd expect them to be pretty even overall. Both in prolific offenses. Even without Watkins is Woods actually a dominant WR1? I say no but I could be wron.Woods easily
If you throw in Chubb with Jones, Michel, and Penny, I'd be willing to bet that at least 2 of them have a prime landing spot, thus making the difference between 1.3 and 1.4 insignificant.I agree there isn’t a significant talent difference in that tier but it is likely one of them lands in a plum landing spot and separates a bit from the others
Woods missed 4 games.In my standard ppr league Agholor finished as WR23 Woods was WR31. Cooper Kupp was also WR26. I'm not sure how much if any I'd assume they do better than that for all of them. Over the career I'd expect them to be pretty even overall. Both in prolific offenses. Even without Watkins is Woods actually a dominant WR1? I say no but I could be wron.
That's where we disagree, or I wouldn't have made the deal. Really like a third guy quite a bit more than anyone else in the class, I realize I'm probably in the norm there, and fine overpaying to ensure I get the cat I want.Not much difference in the quality of RB at 1.4 compared to 1.3. After Barkley and Guice there's not much difference between Michel and Jones, and to some Penny.
And Woods had a huge playoff game as well.Woods missed 4 games.
Woods for me handilyThis was a small one. Robert Woods straight up for Nelson Agholor. PPR
When has Alex Smith's slot WR ever been worth 2.1?With Alex Smith, Crowder easily.
You can throw Chubb into that mix I listed as well.That's where we disagree, or I wouldn't have made the deal. Really like a third guy quite a bit more than anyone else in the class, I realize I'm probably in the norm there, and fine overpaying to ensure I get the cat I want.
If you have a clear top 3 you believe in then I like it for you and think it was the right move. I have always been a strong proponent of these types of trades when you believe in a guy. People are probably getting tired of this anecdote but I always think back to a few years ago when I gave up a future 1st to move from 1.4 to 1.3 to grab Le'Veon Bell over Montee Ball when most had them interchangeable and thought it was a horrible move.Looks like everyone thus far is on the camp of 1.4/1.12. I got the 1.3 in this deal as I do see a clear drop between 3 and 4 when it comes to prospect quality. I was also concerned with allowing the guy who owned 1.3 get a prospect of that quality to add to his roster - as he has the second most valuable team in the league. I will use 1.3 for a running back which was the only question keeping me from a repeat. Earlier in the off-season I dealt Howard for the 1.4, so I am essentially upgrading Howard prior to week 1 at the cost of 1.12.
At a macro level, after seeing how little the owners with top running backs value stud WRs in a trade, I didn't want to go WR with the pick, and felt moving up from 4 to 3 ensured I wasn't pressured to go WR. If there is any league where I point to understanding your leaguemates, it's this one. I feel we after this move we are likely to repeat and still have enough depth to withstand 2-3 injuries and still have enough future capital.
Cam
Kamara, Freeman, 1.3, Drake, Hyde
Evans, Thomas, Julio, Hill, Gordon, MBryant
Kelce, Gronk, ASJ
He's the bubble screen guy. Likely to play the Tyreek role. But now with Paul Richardson there, I'm not so sure how that shakes out.When has Alex Smith's slot WR ever been worth 2.1?
Thanks for response but Reek is so much more than a bubble screen guy, he averaged over close to 12 air yards per target. Very small part of his production was from bubble screens.He's the bubble screen guy. Likely to play the Tyreek role. But now with Paul Richardson there, I'm not so sure how that shakes out.
Historical data plays a role, but so does the coach calling the plays. Jay Gruden historically gets alot of production out of his QB. I would expect Gruden to get more production from Smith based on what Gruden has run the last few years, but that is a guess.Two WR's have gone over 1,000 yards with Alex Smith. Maclin and Hill. I believe Crabtree, Maclin and Hill are only WR's go over 70 catches in a season. Just not seeing a reason to upgrade a WR because of Smith.
Just my opinion but I do not see Crowder as the level of talent you are gameplanning manufactured touches for a la Hill. Fraction of the ability.He's the bubble screen guy. Likely to play the Tyreek role. But now with Paul Richardson there, I'm not so sure how that shakes out.
Reid has historically one one of the most QB friendly offenses in the league. I Alex Smith might have just made some people forget that.Historical data plays a role, but so does the coach calling the plays. Jay Gruden historically gets alot of production out of his QB. I would expect Gruden to get more production from Smith based on what Gruden has run the last few years, but that is a guess.
I think I'd rather take Gallup or St.Brown with 2.01 than have Crowder.I would probably take Crowder if I needed a wr
I was torn a bit to offer that much but wanted to secure another decent WR. There has been some debate on here so it probably isn't far off. I also have 1.07, 2.07 and 2.11 but a mid 2 would not get what I was looking for. With Richardson there now I'd probably only now think a mid 2.I think I'd rather take Gallup or St.Brown with 2.01 than have Crowder.
Shaheen lost some shine when the Bears signed Trey Burton.TheBottomLine said:10-team PPR
Gave: Derek Carr + 4.05
Got: Mitch Trubisky + Adam Shaheen
I don't love my TE depth but otherwise have a nice roster. Other QBs are Rodgers and Alex Smith and we start 1.
Doesn’t exactly hurt Mitch thoughShaheen lost some shine when the Bears signed Trey Burton.
JoHo easilyNon-ppr IDP Zealots 12 team
Gave: Derek Carr, 2.11, 4.03
Got: Jordan Howard
It's a rebuild for me and I still have a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rds. Of course, now I have ZERO QBs on my roster. I'll get a rookie with one of my 2nds I guess.
I'd take Cooper/ Diggs even without Ingram thrown in.Did this about 5 weeks ago and had some second thoughts but the Lewis and Cousins signings make me feel a bit better about it.
FFPC
Gave
Henry, 1.3, 2019 1st
Got
Cooper, Diggs, Ingram
Wow I haven't seen Howard go that cheaply in my Zealots leagues. The Howard owners are asking for a high 2018 1st plus a 2nd and a WR2 at least.Non-ppr IDP Zealots 12 team
Gave: Derek Carr, 2.11, 4.03
Got: Jordan Howard
It's a rebuild for me and I still have a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rds. Of course, now I have ZERO QBs on my roster. I'll get a rookie with one of my 2nds I guess.
Brown unless rebuilding12tm idp ppr
Team A gave: AB
Team B gave: Juju, Kupp, McMillan (LB), 1.08
Moncrief12 team ppr qrwwwftkd
team a - Lockett
team b - moncrief
Really good exit price for AB. Team dependent so it's even.12tm idp ppr
Team A gave: AB
Team B gave: Juju, Kupp, McMillan (LB), 1.08
If that's Derrick, then I like Henry side in a landslide.Did this about 5 weeks ago and had some second thoughts but the Lewis and Cousins signings make me feel a bit better about it.
FFPC
Gave
Henry, 1.3, 2019 1st
Got
Cooper, Diggs, Ingram
Pre-FA I'd go Henry-side, but post I think I'd say its even and would depend on rosters. I would lean towards the WRs thoughDid this about 5 weeks ago and had some second thoughts but the Lewis and Cousins signings make me feel a bit better about it.
FFPC
Gave
Henry, 1.3, 2019 1st
Got
Cooper, Diggs, Ingram
Funny because I'd need that Henry to be Hunter just to move me into consideration phase of giving up the Cooper side. Would need to really like that 2019 pick.If that's Derrick, then I like Henry side in a landslide.
It was Derrick and I really hated to let him go; not a huge Ingram fan but still a big believer in Cooper and very much like Diggs. The 1.3 wasn't originally mine, mine is the 1.6 and I do have a lot of picks (1.6/1.8/1.9/1.12/2.3/2.4/2.6/19 1st) so having the extra draft capital played into it. If you don't like Cooper you don't like this deal. I think it is pretty close and as I said earlier, Lewis going to Ten and Cousins to Min makes me feel better about the whole thing. As always, time will tell.menobrown said:Funny because I'd need that Henry to be Hunter just to move me into consideration phase of giving up the Cooper side. Would need to really like that 2019 pick.
5 weeks ago I don't do this deal. 5 weeks ago I put Cooper over 3, Diggs over Derrick, 2019#1 hard to say vs Ingram without knowing. So I'd have said no 5 weeks ago and that divide has increased a good amount.
Even imhobarackdhouse said:12 team FFPC rules
Team A gives Aaron Jones
Team B gives 2.08
Funchess0.5 PPR 10 team Superflex:
Devin Funchess for Jerrick McKinnon
When you say "you" possibly you mean a general sense and not me directly but I love Cooper, he was most valuable piece of that trade 5 weeks ago and today.It was Derrick and I really hated to let him go; not a huge Ingram fan but still a big believer in Cooper and very much like Diggs. The 1.3 wasn't originally mine, mine is the 1.6 and I do have a lot of picks (1.6/1.8/1.9/1.12/2.3/2.4/2.6/19 1st) so having the extra draft capital played into it. If you don't like Cooper you don't like this deal. I think it is pretty close and as I said earlier, Lewis going to Ten and Cousins to Min makes me feel better about the whole thing. As always, time will tell.
Ha, yes, I meant in a general sense as in I love Cooper and I know many do not.When you say "you" possibly you mean a general sense and not me directly but I love Cooper, he was most valuable piece of that trade 5 weeks ago and today.
PickTheBottomLine said:10-team PPR league with deep rosters. Not involved.
Marvin Jones, Dion Lewis, Isaiah Crowell
for
1.04