Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Lol.
But if you add up all the values from the chart...Seriously wtf
Lol.
But if you add up all the values from the chart...Seriously wtf
He did offer Metcalf to me to be fair but from me he wanted CEH, Jeudy, my 1st and 2nd round picks...........so ya I rejected that.But if you add up all the values from the chart...
Give me the Swift and Fitzpatrick side in 2 QB leagues. I think that Swift is really the centerpiece here, and he's worth the 2.01, 2.05, and 22 1st. The 3.09 is a prayer, and Kirk is WR3 if you squint hard.12tm 2QB 2TE
Christian Kirk, 2.01, 2.05, 3.09, 22 1st (mid-late)
FOR
Ryan Fitzpatrick, D'Andre Swift
I think this is worse than the Metcalf deal to be honest.12tm 2QB 2TE
Christian Kirk, 2.01, 2.05, 3.09, 22 1st (mid-late)
FOR
Ryan Fitzpatrick, D'Andre Swift
For which side? Since I have to ask, this can’t be worse than the Metcalf deal.I think this is worse than the Metcalf deal to be honest.
Considering the multiple likes I think it’s easy IMO to see this is hugely weighted to the Swift side. Fitz is worth pretty close to the 2.05 in 2QB. The 3.09 and Kirk are nothing but fliers and hardly carry any weight. For example, Kirk’s startup ADP is the 14th round on 1 source I checked.For which side? Since I have to ask, this can’t be worse than the Metcalf deal.
I’m not saying it’s worse than the Metcalf trade but how do you think that Swift deal is close?For which side? Since I have to ask, this can’t be worse than the Metcalf deal.
By not being as in love with Swift as the general consensus.I’m not saying it’s worse than the Metcalf trade but how do you think that Swift deal is close?
That doesn’t have much to do with “value” though.By not being as in love with Swift as the general consensus.
For about six games.That doesn’t have much to do with “value” though.
I can see some people not being as high on Swift, despite how good he looked last season, I suppose, but that package wasn’t very attractive and Fitzpatrick has value in a 2QB league.
Meh. I think it was a pretty bad deal, but I guess time will tell.For about six games.
And in a 2QB league the 2.1 and 2.5 are gong to get you good players.
I don't love it either, but ended up not disliking it as much as I did at first.Meh. I think it was a pretty bad deal, but I guess time will tell.
Also, it is a 2 QB league so while Fitz is 100 years old he still has legit value in that format...once the season starts if there are a few injuries you could be in position where another owner may have to vastly over-pay for him just to survive yet in this deal he is treated like a throw-in...horrible use of that asset.Give me the Swift and Fitzpatrick side in 2 QB leagues. I think that Swift is really the centerpiece here, and he's worth the 2.01, 2.05, and 22 1st. The 3.09 is a prayer, and Kirk is WR3 if you squint hard.
How about I give you a 4th rd rookie pick so I don't have to take either side?12tm PPR 1QB
Booker, SMiller, 3.07
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AB, JCook
checks notes.....give me 3.0712tm PPR 1QB
Booker, SMiller, 3.07
FOR
AB, JCook
This being a 12 team 2QB 2TE league is very important to the context. RBs are deeply devalued here. I agree that Fitz = 2.05 and the 3rd/Kirk are scraps nothingburgers. So it comes down to 2.01 + 2022 1st for Swift. Roughly two firsts for Swift in a league that devalues RBs is pretty dang close to consensus value. Would I take it? Depends on my roster construction.Buckna said:Considering the multiple likes I think it’s easy IMO to see this is hugely weighted to the Swift side. Fitz is worth pretty close to the 2.05 in 2QB. The 3.09 and Kirk are nothing but fliers and hardly carry any weight. For example, Kirk’s startup ADP is the 14th round on 1 source I checked.
So that leaves the 2.01 and a future 1st for Swift. Likely depends which ADP source you check, but Swift goes before Metcalf according to DLF by a few spots. If you were forced would you rather have the 1.06 and 2.10 in exchange for a slightly lessor valued Metcalf then an equivalent 1.10ish in 1QB and future late 1st in a much worse rookie class for a slightly more valuable Swift?
Obviously some of that will come down to personal preference Metcalf vs Swift and 1.06+ 2.10ish vs 1.10ish & future late 1st. Both are equally bad trades but the 6 will get you one of Pitts, Waddle, Smith, Williams, etc. to try to replace Metcalf.
Edit: I missed the 16 teamer for Metcalf. That pushes it towards the Metcalf trade being quite a bit worse actually so I adjusted the value on the 2.06 to 2.10 in a 12 team league. Swift trade is still bad though.
I was offered Fitz, Tyrod, 3.04 for my 2.06 in SF recently and turned it down.I don't think anybody is paying 2.05 for Fitz in 2QB or SF.
Superflex?DFWC
CMC, Burrow
for
1.02, 2022 1st, Herbert and Curtis Samuel
Must be the biggest Jonnu fan out there14 team PPR 1.5 TE
Junno Smith
for
2022 1st and 2nd round picks (team finished 8th last year top 6 make playoffs)
Lots of bad trades in my leagues latelyMust be the biggest Jonnu fan out there
I would be looking for Andrews/Hock/Fant for that much draft capital.14 team PPR 1.5 TE
Junno Smith
for
2022 1st and 2nd round picks (team finished 8th last year top 6 make playoffs)
I'll take the picks, Herbert and Samuel. Both CMC and Burrow coming off injury plagued seasons and as great as CMC has been, injuries can take their toll at the position. Maybe I'd prefer CMC in win-now mode but, for the long haul, I'll take the picks.DFWC
CMC, Burrow
for
1.02, 2022 1st, Herbert and Curtis Samuel
I Realize Ekeler's appeal in PPR formats but I'll take the upside over the proven here with Dillon, Reagor and the 1st pretty easily for me.Not involved. Dynasty PPR, Superflex
Team A got Austin Ekeler
Team B got AJ Dillon, 2022 First, Jalen Reagor
Bizarre... we are talking about the same Jonnu Smith who, along with Hunter Henry, and a questionable QB situation, is now a Patriot?14 team PPR 1.5 TE
Junno Smith
for
2022 1st and 2nd round picks (team finished 8th last year top 6 make playoffs)
Appears to be a series of bad decisions compounded by another bad decision.For context on the Swift-Fitz for picks/Kirk deal....
Team getting Swift-Fitz had 2 starting QBs but dart throws at best otherwise at the position, can start 4 RBs weekly and Swift joins 2-3 other NFL starters and some choice backups. They are a contending team (1st, 2nd and just missed playoffs over the past 3 seasons)
The team giving Swift-Fitz is a complete rebuild with Swift-Jeudy and maybe 1-2 other possible 'build around' players overall. They also don't have their own '21 1st (1.01) or '22 1st (likely early). So they sold Swift to recoup picks I would imagine and Fitz is a must sell, but maybe not now to optimize the return.
I was going to disagree and then thought better of it. The only thing I think might make the deal a little even is that I think Dillon is truly buried barring injury, and I don't think he'll ever be a receiving back. And I'm not high on Reagor. But throw in the first round-pick and if one of Dillon, Reagor, or the first hits, I like that side. What's Ekeler, 26? He's right on the cusp.I Realize Ekeler's appeal in PPR formats but I'll take the upside over the proven here with Dillon, Reagor and the 1st pretty easily for me.
I’ll take Cook and Diggs pretty easily. Heck, it might take both those picks for me to give up just Cook.12 team PPR that will switch to Superflex in 2022
Gave: 1.01, 1.02
Got: Cook, Diggs, 2.08
I normally love having a really young team, but with my current roster I couldn't pass it up
L Jackson, M Stafford, R Tannehill
S Barkley, D Cook, J Taylor, C Akers, J Mixon
S Diggs, C Godwin, DJ Moore, K Golladay, C Sutton, Juju, J Reagor, L Shenault, P Campbell, G Davis
TJ Hockenson, D Goedert, L Thomas, Gronk
2.01, 2.02, 2.04, 2.08, 3.02, 3.06
I was going to say something like this, but you put it much more aptly than I would have.Appears to be a series of bad decisions compounded by another bad decision.
I think the Superflex switch makes things tricky. In SF Lawrence alone is going ahead of Cooks in startup drafts, and the 2nd rookie goes ahead of Diggs.I’ll take Cook and Diggs pretty easily. Heck, it might take both those picks for me to give up just Cook.
Probably more desperate for a TE not a homer but maybe he really likes what Smith did last year to start the year.Bizarre... we are talking about the same Jonnu Smith who, along with Hunter Henry, and a questionable QB situation, is now a Patriot?
Is the guy a homer or just that desperate in an above average league size and a scoring system that favors TE? Assuming he's picking 7th this year, I would have tried to see if the 2022 1st could move me up in the draft.
Here is a prime example where people shouldn't drink and trade FFADT.Must be the biggest Jonnu fan out there
1.08 and darnold also handed a bag full of money to the other team? That's disgusting.12 team ppr
1.08 and darnold
aaron Rodgers and marquis brown.
This isn't a terrible return for CMC but I don't think it would be enough for me to part with him here.DFWC
CMC, Burrow
for
1.02, 2022 1st, Herbert and Curtis Samuel
I don't play TE premium but that seems like a ton to give up for a TE on a low passing volume offense and he may not even be that team's TE1. Seems terrible.14 team PPR 1.5 TE
Junno Smith
for
2022 1st and 2nd round picks (team finished 8th last year top 6 make playoffs)