****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (8 Viewers)

[rockaction]

Agreed.  But it’s still a relatively small sample size.

I’d love to be Pollyanna about Robinson, but all we’ve really seen is Foreman, Akers & a handful of others across multiple sports. There are still more athletes who never returned to form than did.

So it’s not quite a given that medical advances are significant enough that we can take it for granted that Robinson will come back just because one or two other dudes did.

But I hope he does, because I roster him.  

Oh, I was talking Akers. I think Robinson is actually a different story, because he was on the cusp of not being quick enough and rupturing his Achilles' tendon can't help that.

But not too different a story. If surgeries and rehab techniques are getting better then there's no reason Robinson can't also return at some point this year (I think him starting the year sounds really, really optimistic) and be effective. 

I think my opinion changed on this when I had a respected leaguemate offer me a trade with Akers included. I didn't want Akers, really, and the guy explained that he always bets on science and recovery and advancements being made -- and that it's benefitted him over the years in terms of getting value for a player.

I thought about it and he has done exactly that, often to his benefit. So, really, I was in the camp last year where I didn't want Akers. Fast forward to today, and if Akers came at a good cost this year -- at the right price -- I wouldn't shy away. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Oh, I was talking Akers. I think Robinson is actually a different story, because he was on the cusp of not being quick enough and rupturing his Achilles' tendon can't help that.

But not too different a story. If surgeries and rehab techniques are getting better then there's no reason Robinson can't also return at some point this year (I think him starting the year sounds really, really optimistic) and be effective. 

I think my opinion changed on this when I heard a respected leaguemate offer me a trade with Akers included. I didn't want Akers, really, and the guy explained that he always bets on science and recovery and advancements being made -- and that it's benefitted him over the years in terms of getting value for a player.

I thought about it and he has done exactly that, often to his benefit. So, really, I was in the camp last year where I didn't want Akers. Fast forward to today, and if Akers came at a good cost this year -- at the right price -- I wouldn't shy away. 

Oh, yeah - I was just using recent optimism about Robinson as an example.

Akers went for a 3rd a month after the injury and I was pissed because I didn’t know he was available, and I didn’t want to be the guy vulture-offering on the fresh kill.

But yeah - that’s gonna wind up being an absolute steal of Akers continues to improve, as he’s in line for a feature back role with only a fragile Henderson sharing touches.

 

[jtd13]

he’s considered one of the most successful Achilles recoveries for any pro athlete ever. Hardwood of a basketball court is so brutal to play on - yet there he is, being one of the top 15 players in the NBA.

In 2021-2022 he averaged 29.9 PPG, with a career high of 32 (his 2014 MVP season). That 29.9 was 4th in the NBA.

7.4 boards per game (career high of 8.3, but he’s not exactly known for crashing the boards)

Shot 51.8% from the field (career high of 53.7) 

91% free throw shooter (3rd in the NBA)

I could go on, but I feel the point has been beaten to death here - How would that not be considered “one of the big successes” for Achilles recovery? 

You are right, but it took him 2 years. Compared to an Olympic long jumper out jumping all but 3 other Olympic long jumpers 13 months after an injury that until recently was considered a death knell for long jumpers careers, I say it's less impressive. 

But yeah, I'm guilty of sounding dismissive when i say things offhand a lot but I don't mean it like that. His recovery was also very impressive. 

 

[jtd13]

Oh, yeah - I was just using recent optimism about Robinson as an example.

Akers went for a 3rd a month after the injury and I was pissed because I didn’t know he was available, and I didn’t want to be the guy vulture-offering on the fresh kill.

But yeah - that’s gonna wind up being an absolute steal of Akers continues to improve, as he’s in line for a feature back role with only a fragile Henderson sharing touches.

Got him for Myles Gaskin and jamaal Williams right before week 1 last year in another league 

Wasn't trying to be that guy, but he sent it to me. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Oh, I was talking Akers. I think Robinson is actually a different story, because he was on the cusp of not being quick enough and rupturing his Achilles' tendon can't help that.

the way I see it, the slower they were before the Achilles, the better the chances at a full recovery.

Akers may never get his 4.47 speed back. But for Robinson, 4.64 seems pretty doable.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Got him for Myles Gaskin and jamaal Williams right before week 1 last year in another league 

Wasn't trying to be that guy, but he sent it to me. 

Yahtzee! 

 

[smbkrypt24]

You sure about that? I’ve shot free throws - you’re using your Achilles, I assure you. And again - he was 3rd in the league, meaning he’s playing at a high level. 

Regardless, the point is he should be the A#1 shining example of coming back from a ruptured Achilles. 

Remember Kobe's famous shooting free throws after tearing his achilles.  You don't need your achilles and I would go as far to say the less moving parts in free throws the better you can control the outcome.

Durant does slightly push off both feet on his free throws. It certainly is not an explosion.

 

[joey]

Hate the Harris trade. He’s a Top 5 dynasty asset and you got back 2 top 40-ish players. Just giving away the farm imo. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Durant does slightly push off both feet on his free throws. It certainly is not an explosion.

then there’s Klay Thompson, who dribbles twice, dips and shoots frees with his whole body. 

Which is hilarious considering he had a game where he dribbled twice and scored 51. 

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I just traded Najee Harris (and James Washington as a throw in) for Akers and Burks in dynasty with moderately deep lineups (PPR, up to 36 RBs and 60 WRs can start per week across the league).

Harris seems about as safe as you can get at RB over the next couple years, but I am less worried about injury/ conditioning than most people on Akers and Burks, and feel my team is in a good spot to take on risk and chase upside. 

This is Harris by a country mile.  I'm not high on Akers and Burks offseason has scared me.  No way I give up a sure thing for questions like that.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Yeah, really any non-Chase rookie WR is a risk when they are coming in, til you see if they've got the goods. It's true of every position but especially wr lately. It seems like a lot of good looking prospects haven't panned out.

I'm a big fan of Burks and think the narrative on Akers recovery chances is rather illogical and unconvincing, so I thought it was worth the risk. IMO Akers without the recovery risk is a similar talent to Najee with a similar situation (both young workhorse backs, less receiving upside for Najee, but better overall offense). So if I think the risk is overblown, it makes sense to move Harris for Akers and a guy with Burks' upside. 

I'm also kind of a fringe contender in that league, with a couple stacked teams at the top. If I were one of the stacked teams I'd probably have held Najee. Hence the comment about taking some risk/reward moves. 

Appreciate the feedback. I get the hesitation and figured this one wouldn't win me best trade

Not sure I agree with the non-Chase rookies.  Jefferson was a monster and I knew he would be.  Lamb too.  I was also high on Waddle but not much on Smith or Jeudy so you can find them.  Obviously there is risk but some of those top prospects are working. 

I also wouldn't put Akers on the same level as Harris at all.  Harris is on a team more committed to the run over history, with less weapons on offense, also Najee had 14 catches with 19 targets in a game last year so not sure how you can call Cam with better receiving upside.  He also has more competition with Henderson instead of Snell.  On top of that he is coming off an Achilles tear that has not been an easy injury for football players.

I don't see anything wrong with searching for a trade with the way you feel but I just feel you have to get more than this.  Like another young player or even a 1st round pick, even if it is a couple of years down the road.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

he’s considered one of the most successful Achilles recoveries for any pro athlete ever. Hardwood of a basketball court is so brutal to play on - yet there he is, being one of the top 15 players in the NBA.

In 2021-2022 he averaged 29.9 PPG, with a career high of 32 (his 2014 MVP season). That 29.9 was 4th in the NBA.

7.4 boards per game (career high of 8.3, but he’s not exactly known for crashing the boards)

Shot 51.8% from the field (career high of 53.7) 

91% free throw shooter (3rd in the NBA)

I could go on, but I feel the point has been beaten to death here - How would that not be considered “one of the big successes” for Achilles recovery? 

Totally agree.  Especially since most B-ball players with that injury have not been the same like Dominique Wilkins or Kobe come to mind.  They were a little older but basketball is a hard sport to play after that injury and he has done it, even being 30+ also.  Huge success story but I would argue very different than a RB.  I will say that I'm not high on Akers but the speed he came back from that injury impressed the hell out of me.  I thought there was no way he would be ready before this year.

 

[jtd13]

Najee had 14 catches with 19 targets in a game last year so not sure how you can call Cam with better receiving upside

I said the opposite of that. Najee has better receiving upside. 

Edit: nope, I had a typo. I meant less receiving upside THAN najee. My bad, you had me confused lol

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I said the opposite of that. Najee has better receiving upside. 

My bad.  Misread it then.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

then there’s Klay Thompson, who dribbles twice, dips and shoots frees with his whole body. 

Which is hilarious considering he had a game where he dribbled twice and scored 51. 

Where he held the ball for a some total of like 36 seconds the entire game.  Lol.  That was nuts.

 

[jtd13]

My bad.  Misread it then.

No no the mistake was mine, sir. I would make a terrible editor

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Where he held the ball for a some total of like 36 seconds the entire game.  Lol.  That was nuts.

In 3 quarters!

Catch & shoot, catch & shoot. 

 

[Gally]

You are right, but it took him 2 years. Compared to an Olympic long jumper out jumping all but 3 other Olympic long jumpers 13 months after an injury that until recently was considered a death knell for long jumpers careers, I say it's less impressive. 

But yeah, I'm guilty of sounding dismissive when i say things offhand a lot but I don't mean it like that. His recovery was also very impressive. 

Which achilles did he tear?  I would assume one is a lot more important that the other when it comes to explosiveness for long jumpers as they jump off of one foot.  

I tore my achilles (albeit 10 years ago).  Granted I am not a professional athlete no matter how much I might think I could be so I did not get the rehab that these guys get but I will say it was a completely devastating injury to my pick up basketball career.  I have never been the same.  I was also 40-ish at the time so recovery wasn't going to get me back to my prime years for sure.  But being in a cast/boot for 12 weeks and then trying to recover and build back strength and quick twitch reactions for that push off is very difficult.  It is a devastating injury and my hat goes off to all of these guys for getting back to where they are. 

 

[Gally]

12 Team, Salary cap ($250 for 15 keepers), Full IDP, SF, start Q/R/R/W/W/T/SF/K/P/DL/DL/LB/LB/DB/DB/IDP Flex, In season roster is up to 45 spots (salary cap does not matter in season).   Auction for restricted free agents followed by 25 round draft. 

Team A receives:

• Geno Smith ($10) - has Lock and needs QB depth
  
• Cordarrelle Patterson ($10)
  
• Kenneth Gainwell ($3/2023)
  
• Evan Engram ($5)
  
• 5.09 - This pick has a lot more value than most leagues because 5th rounders can be used during the Restricted Free Agent (RFA) Auction.  You have to forfeit a pick in rounds 1 to 5 (beginning with the 5th round moving towards the first round) for every RFA player you win in the auction.  If you don't have a pick in those rounds you cannot participate in the auction even if you have cap space to do so.  The value of 5th round picks are equivalent to late 1st round rookie picks in most leagues because of this.  
  

Team B receives:

• Stefon Diggs ($49)
  

 

[jtd13]

Which achilles did he tear?  I would assume one is a lot more important that the other when it comes to explosiveness for long jumpers as they jump off of one foot.  

I tore my achilles (albeit 10 years ago).  Granted I am not a professional athlete no matter how much I might think I could be so I did not get the rehab that these guys get but I will say it was a completely devastating injury to my pick up basketball career.  I have never been the same.  I was also 40-ish at the time so recovery wasn't going to get me back to my prime years for sure.  But being in a cast/boot for 12 weeks and then trying to recover and build back strength and quick twitch reactions for that push off is very difficult.  It is a devastating injury and my hat goes off to all of these guys for getting back to where they are. 

Shoot, that's a good point. I'm not sure, but my details were off somewhat anyway (like I said, hadn't looked this stuff up in awhile). The jumper was Will Claye, and it was triple jump, not long jump. 

Tear was December 2019, qualifying for Olympics was may 2021, placed 4th at Olympics July 2021, so more like 1.5 years. Pretty amazing stuff either way. 

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 Team, Salary cap ($250 for 15 keepers), Full IDP, SF, start Q/R/R/W/W/T/SF/K/P/DL/DL/LB/LB/DB/DB/IDP Flex, In season roster is up to 45 spots (salary cap does not matter in season).   Auction for restricted free agents followed by 25 round draft. 

Team A receives:

• Geno Smith ($10) - has Lock and needs QB depth
  
• Cordarrelle Patterson ($10)
  
• Kenneth Gainwell ($3/2023)
  
• Evan Engram ($5)
  
• 5.09 - This pick has a lot more value than most leagues because 5th rounders can be used during the Restricted Free Agent (RFA) Auction.  You have to forfeit a pick in rounds 1 to 5 (beginning with the 5th round moving towards the first round) for every RFA player you win in the auction.  If you don't have a pick in those rounds you cannot participate in the auction even if you have cap space to do so.  The value of 5th round picks are equivalent to late 1st round rookie picks in most leagues because of this.  
  

Team B receives:

• Stefon Diggs ($49)
  

Seems like a complicated trade in a complicated league but still seems pretty light for Diggs.  I would expect either a true QB or a better RB to replace Gainwell or even a real TE to replace Engram.  Those pieces seem pretty light except that pick that needs a lot to weigh it heavily.  I'm not even that high on Patterson and don't think he has nearly as good of a year this year as he had last year.

 

[Gally]

Seems like a complicated trade in a complicated league but still seems pretty light for Diggs.  I would expect either a true QB or a better RB to replace Gainwell or even a real TE to replace Engram.  Those pieces seem pretty light except that pick that needs a lot to weigh it heavily.  I'm not even that high on Patterson and don't think he has nearly as good of a year this year as he had last year.

The big issue here was Team A couldn't afford to keep Diggs at $49.  He already has Kupp at $39 and some other expensive players that drive up his salary cap number.  Team A also needed more picks as he traded quite a few away in last year's title run.  

Team B had the cap space and gave up nothing of real value other than the RFA pick (5.09).   But that pick is somewhat diminished in value for Team B because after acquiring Diggs at $49 that team won't have that much cap space and already has enough RFA picks so that the 5.09 isn't a big hit.  

I think it was a win-win for both teams for the positions they are in.  Also in agreement that all things being equal from a player standpoint it's light for Diggs but the $49 cap hit is really big which cuts his value quite a bit. .........and yes it is a complicated league with a lot of nuance that can't be explained in a simple trade post.  

 

[DexterDew]

12 team PPR start 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, 1-3 TE

Gave: 2023 1st

Got: Burks

Reason: hated parting with a 1st but hoping it's a late 1st, runner up last year with bad injury luck. This year bad schedule luck. Should make playoffs.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

The big issue here was Team A couldn't afford to keep Diggs at $49.  He already has Kupp at $39 and some other expensive players that drive up his salary cap number.  Team A also needed more picks as he traded quite a few away in last year's title run.  

Team B had the cap space and gave up nothing of real value other than the RFA pick (5.09).   But that pick is somewhat diminished in value for Team B because after acquiring Diggs at $49 that team won't have that much cap space and already has enough RFA picks so that the 5.09 isn't a big hit.  

I think it was a win-win for both teams for the positions they are in.  Also in agreement that all things being equal from a player standpoint it's light for Diggs but the $49 cap hit is really big which cuts his value quite a bit. .........and yes it is a complicated league with a lot of nuance that can't be explained in a simple trade post.  

Win-win is good then.  Just wish you could get more but salary matters in that type of league and him having a $10 bigger hit than Kupp is a big deal.  Wish he could have wiggled another pick out of it or something.

 

[Gally]

Win-win is good then.  Just wish you could get more but salary matters in that type of league and him having a $10 bigger hit than Kupp is a big deal.  Wish he could have wiggled another pick out of it or something.

I was the guy getting Diggs.  I was happy he didn't want more.  hahhaahha

 

[The Future Champs]

12 Team, Salary cap ($250 for 15 keepers), Full IDP, SF, start Q/R/R/W/W/T/SF/K/P/DL/DL/LB/LB/DB/DB/IDP Flex, In season roster is up to 45 spots (salary cap does not matter in season).   Auction for restricted free agents followed by 25 round draft. 

Team A receives:

• Geno Smith ($10) - has Lock and needs QB depth
  
• Cordarrelle Patterson ($10)
  
• Kenneth Gainwell ($3/2023)
  
• Evan Engram ($5)
  
• 5.09 - This pick has a lot more value than most leagues because 5th rounders can be used during the Restricted Free Agent (RFA) Auction.  You have to forfeit a pick in rounds 1 to 5 (beginning with the 5th round moving towards the first round) for every RFA player you win in the auction.  If you don't have a pick in those rounds you cannot participate in the auction even if you have cap space to do so.  The value of 5th round picks are equivalent to late 1st round rookie picks in most leagues because of this.  
  

Team B receives:

• Stefon Diggs ($49)
  

How are RFAs determined?  Plus, please give a few examples of RFAs and their estimated auction values.

 

[Gally]

How are RFAs determined?  Plus, please give a few examples of RFAs and their estimated auction values.

RFA's are all players that were on a roster the previous season that are not being kept as part of everyone's 15 freezes.  If the player was on your roster at the time freezes are due then you own matching rights to your restricted free agent.  That means if you have salary cap space and the necessary draft pick you can choose to match the winning bid and take the player away from the highest bidder.

Starting bid is $10 or half of the previous year's salary - whichever is higher.  

Some players likely available:

• Godwin - starting bid $12
  
• Tyreek - $20
  
• Brady - $32
  
• Zeke - $23
  
• Adams - $24
  
• Aaron Jones - $28
  
• Mahomes is $80 to keep so he may be on the market with starting bid of $33
  
• Josh Allen is $95 to keep or starting bid of $32
  

Also a bunch of quality IDP guys will be available too.  The other advantage to acquiring a player in the auction is that they are eligible for a 3 yr contract at the salary assigned from the winning bid.  So taking the risk and allowing a player to go into the auction does have benefit because if the price is right you can lock that player in for 3 years with no salary escalation.  So you can risk letting a guy go into the auction hoping to get a discount and then being able to award a contract.  

 

[barackdhouse]

How is it illogical to compare apples to apples? RBs have totally different skill sets, movements, and have to "plant and push" more than say an NBA player.

I know what you're saying with regard to the risk to Akers but I can't get with this. Not directed at you though I am just responding to the idea. I played both sports in college and can say without hesitation that the skill sets are unbelievably similar. Tons of overlap. The main differences being that a football player has to deliver and/or receive major blows (where planting their foot is crucial) as many as what 50, 60 times a game if you count every snap and block? Maybe more? Less? It is a lot. Ok now in a basketball game you're not withstanding the blows (not like football anyway) but you're planting and pushing maybe *1000* times or more. And *many* of those, if not the vast majority of them, are incredibly intense in terms of the pressure on every fiber and piece of one's foot, lower leg and up. If you are 75% of the player you used to be, you're looking for a new job. You can't compete on a high school basketball court at that level of recovery.

I know I am being pedantic here and it really doesn't diminish any point being made, this is just me not letting that statement stand. What Durant did was un####ingbelievable. Klay Thompson, too, no? I thought for sure both those players' careers were over (like actually over as in not another game played), because of this achilles narrative that goes back. And it does go back, and with good reason. But it really does seem to have changed. I'm not ready to give my own green light to Robinson, because despite my long and severe criticism of the phrase "I need to see it first," I need to see it first.

But I think I am good to go with Akers. He showed me enough last year. People have pointed to this poor YPC during the (LA Rams Super Bowl Championship) run or that they didn't think he looked good. And I'm like really? I thought he looked great as he was playing against a string of some of the best run defenses in the league and in the playoffs to boot. Did he light up the stat sheet? No but what he did was really good. I will admit some skepticism but I feel it is baked into his price. 

 

[The Future Champs]

RFA's are all players that were on a roster the previous season that are not being kept as part of everyone's 15 freezes.  If the player was on your roster at the time freezes are due then you own matching rights to your restricted free agent.  That means if you have salary cap space and the necessary draft pick you can choose to match the winning bid and take the player away from the highest bidder.

Starting bid is $10 or half of the previous year's salary - whichever is higher.  

Some players likely available:

• Godwin - starting bid $12
  
• Tyreek - $20
  
• Brady - $32
  
• Zeke - $23
  
• Adams - $24
  
• Aaron Jones - $28
  
• Mahomes is $80 to keep so he may be on the market with starting bid of $33
  
• Josh Allen is $95 to keep or starting bid of $32
  

Also a bunch of quality IDP guys will be available too.  The other advantage to acquiring a player in the auction is that they are eligible for a 3 yr contract at the salary assigned from the winning bid.  So taking the risk and allowing a player to go into the auction does have benefit because if the price is right you can lock that player in for 3 years with no salary escalation.  So you can risk letting a guy go into the auction hoping to get a discount and then being able to award a contract.  

This sounds like a fun league setup, especially if the IDPs score enough to be relevant.   

 

[dmac37]

...and let's face it, Burksn (who I like) is also a risk in that we have no idea if he pans out at the NFL level. I'm a bit surprised that young productive RBs like Taylor and Harris aren't commanding more (based on last few trades listed in here).

I think this trade is more lopsided than my Taylor trade. Akers may never come back at full strength and Burks is far from a sure thing. 

 

[Gally]

This sounds like a fun league setup, especially if the IDPs score enough to be relevant.   

Me and a buddy started it from scratch in 2005.  We came up with scoring and format to try and have all positions equal when comparing tiers.  We have had some scoring iterations but we are fairly close.  

IDP is critical and usually more important than offense because info is harder to find so it's really on the GM.  Two of the top 10 were defensive players and 10 of the top 32.  The highest ppg player was a defensive player. 

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

The big issue here was Team A couldn't afford to keep Diggs at $49.  He already has Kupp at $39 and some other expensive players that drive up his salary cap number.  Team A also needed more picks as he traded quite a few away in last year's title run.  

Team B had the cap space and gave up nothing of real value other than the RFA pick (5.09).   But that pick is somewhat diminished in value for Team B because after acquiring Diggs at $49 that team won't have that much cap space and already has enough RFA picks so that the 5.09 isn't a big hit.  

I think it was a win-win for both teams for the positions they are in.  Also in agreement that all things being equal from a player standpoint it's light for Diggs but the $49 cap hit is really big which cuts his value quite a bit. .........and yes it is a complicated league with a lot of nuance that can't be explained in a simple trade post.  

Man, I love the complexity of your league!  I'm working to get a salary cap system up and running in my home league for 2023 but it's not going over well.  I guess after 25 years of being in the same league with the same folks, change isn't easy. 

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I know what you're saying with regard to the risk to Akers but I can't get with this. Not directed at you though I am just responding to the idea. I played both sports in college and can say without hesitation that the skill sets are unbelievably similar. Tons of overlap. The main differences being that a football player has to deliver and/or receive major blows (where planting their foot is crucial) as many as what 50, 60 times a game if you count every snap and block? Maybe more? Less? It is a lot. Ok now in a basketball game you're not withstanding the blows (not like football anyway) but you're planting and pushing maybe *1000* times or more. And *many* of those, if not the vast majority of them, are incredibly intense in terms of the pressure on every fiber and piece of one's foot, lower leg and up. If you are 75% of the player you used to be, you're looking for a new job. You can't compete on a high school basketball court at that level of recovery.

I know I am being pedantic here and it really doesn't diminish any point being made, this is just me not letting that statement stand. What Durant did was un####ingbelievable. Klay Thompson, too, no? I thought for sure both those players' careers were over (like actually over as in not another game played), because of this achilles narrative that goes back. And it does go back, and with good reason. But it really does seem to have changed. I'm not ready to give my own green light to Robinson, because despite my long and severe criticism of the phrase "I need to see it first," I need to see it first.

But I think I am good to go with Akers. He showed me enough last year. People have pointed to this poor YPC during the (LA Rams Super Bowl Championship) run or that they didn't think he looked good. And I'm like really? I thought he looked great as he was playing against a string of some of the best run defenses in the league and in the playoffs to boot. Did he light up the stat sheet? No but what he did was really good. I will admit some skepticism but I feel it is baked into his price. 

You aren't wrong about both sports being tough but I would say normally (at least at the pro level) the athletes that play the sport are built very differently.  I would argue that b-ball is harder on the Achilles than football.  Klay Thompson's injury was the knee though not the same.  Durant doing what he did is amazing and Akers coming back when he did was amazing too.  I would say that at the price of this trade, that risk wasn't baked in though. 

I wouldn't completely shy away from Akers this year as I do agree that he looked good enough against those Ds, on a team that didn't really commit to him running the ball at the time, and that close to his injury.  He impressed the hell out of me and I get some of your points but the risk is definitely there.  Also, I would argue that Durant is one of the 15 best B-Ball players of all times so he is all world, all time.  Akers definitely isn't that.

 

[Gally]

You aren't wrong about both sports being tough but I would say normally (at least at the pro level) the athletes that play the sport are built very differently.  I would argue that b-ball is harder on the Achilles than football.  Klay Thompson's injury was the knee though not the same.  Durant doing what he did is amazing and Akers coming back when he did was amazing too.

Klay tore his ACL one year then tore his achilles the following year in practice.  He missed back to back years with two different major injuries.

 

[Gally]

Man, I love the complexity of your league!  I'm working to get a salary cap system up and running in my home league for 2023 but it's not going over well.  I guess after 25 years of being in the same league with the same folks, change isn't easy. 

We had to start a brand new league in order to get this going.  We held off trying to get interest and up to 12 teams and we couldn't get there.  After a couple years we said screw it and just started with 8 teams to get it going.  Within two years we were to 10 and a couple years after that went to 12.  

It was never going to work as a transition.  Had to start a new league to get it done.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Klay tore his ACL one year then tore his achilles the following year in practice.  He missed back to back years with two different major injuries.

Beat me to it. He was out 2.5 seasons and came back to win a ring. It’s an amazing story. 

 

[menobrown]

I just traded Najee Harris (and James Washington as a throw in) for Akers and Burks in dynasty with moderately deep lineups (PPR, up to 36 RBs and 60 WRs can start per week across the league).

Harris seems about as safe as you can get at RB over the next couple years, but I am less worried about injury/ conditioning than most people on Akers and Burks, and feel my team is in a good spot to take on risk and chase upside. 

With you on the bolded with regards to Akers achilles and Burks conditioning. I have no concerns with Akers achilles next season, he's younger then Najee and obviously in a much better offense. Very very easy to see this trade work out for you.

Don't see it as lopsided but still prefer Najee myself due mainly not Akers achilles but just overall durablity that Najee has shown vs Akers so far in their careers as Akers also spent a chunk of his rookie year nicked up. Najee did not just take that massive load last year but I don't think he popped up on the injury report until the last week of the season and it was nothing that held him out. The durabilty with the workload is to me, as you indicated, what makes him so safe and why I'd prefer that side.

 

[Gally]

With you on the bolded with regards to Akers achilles and Burks conditioning. I have no concerns with Akers achilles next season, he's younger then Najee and obviously in a much better offense. Very very easy to see this trade work out for you.

Don't see it as lopsided but still prefer Najee myself due mainly not Akers achilles but just overall durablity that Najee has shown vs Akers so far in their careers as Akers also spent a chunk of his rookie year nicked up. Najee did not just take that massive load last year but I don't think he popped up on the injury report until the last week of the season and it was nothing that held him out. The durabilty with the workload is to me, as you indicated, what makes him so safe and why I'd prefer that side.

I think another point in Najees favor is that he has no competition at all.  He is the only guy.  Akers will be sharing to some degree with Henderson so he will not get the guaranteed volume of Najee either.  All of that adds up to wanting the Najee side of this deal.  

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Klay tore his ACL one year then tore his achilles the following year in practice.  He missed back to back years with two different major injuries.

True that.  I forgot about the 2nd injury for a moment.  The dedication it took to rehab for that long is nuts.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I think another point in Najees favor is that he has no competition at all.  He is the only guy.  Akers will be sharing to some degree with Henderson so he will not get the guaranteed volume of Najee either.  All of that adds up to wanting the Najee side of this deal.  

Also, a team that is much more committed to running the ball in history.  Akers can be good and should be fine this year.  Just not on Harris' level.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

True that.  I forgot about the 2nd injury for a moment.  The dedication it took to rehab for that long is nuts.

I don’t think there is a player in the game who loves basketball as much as Klay Thompson.

 

[yoman]

I like it, but I confuse easily with this format. @yoman has tried explaining it to me for years and my eyes cross and I get all fidgety. lol

It is not exactly the same format so it might not be quite as confusing to you. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It is not exactly the same format so it might not be quite as confusing to you. 

Anything with duplicate players makes my eyes cross and my brain swell up. Then everything gets all fuzzy, and I need a beer to recover. 

 

[barackdhouse]

You aren't wrong about both sports being tough but I would say normally (at least at the pro level) the athletes that play the sport are built very differently.  I would argue that b-ball is harder on the Achilles than football.  Klay Thompson's injury was the knee though not the same.  Durant doing what he did is amazing and Akers coming back when he did was amazing too.  I would say that at the price of this trade, that risk wasn't baked in though. 

I wouldn't completely shy away from Akers this year as I do agree that he looked good enough against those Ds, on a team that didn't really commit to him running the ball at the time, and that close to his injury.  He impressed the hell out of me and I get some of your points but the risk is definitely there.  Also, I would argue that Durant is one of the 15 best B-Ball players of all times so he is all world, all time.  Akers definitely isn't that.

Yeah I actually missed the trade and was just commenting on these injuries in general and Akers. I never even saw what the trade was. Good points about the athletes being built differently for the different sports (and positions within). I also agree that one of the reasons Durant was able to come back is because he is a top 15 player and even if he is slowed down he can still nail 30 footers and has value. There are probably *tons* of athletes we could point to where their story reinforces the "achilles injuries ruin careers" narrative but how many of them were starters or impact players? How much is a team going to invest in a journeyman type? 

I'd say Akers isn't a journeyman type. Based simply on what we saw late last season. I was already big on him when I was drafting him in the 1st/2nd round last year, and he is definitely not a HOF or Durant level asset, but he is still someone the club is invested in (to a degree) and would seem to be the focal point of their running game until further notice. The SB champions we're talking about. Who are *probably* going to be better this year. On defense, too. If Akers was a 3rd string back maybe he doesn't have a job anymore. IDK. Anyway. Rolling on. I hope he stays healthy and not for my meager couple of shares but because I'm rooting for him. Heck of a comeback if he really does it (beyond what he did late last year).

 

[barackdhouse]

I just traded Najee Harris (and James Washington as a throw in) for Akers and Burks in dynasty with moderately deep lineups (PPR, up to 36 RBs and 60 WRs can start per week across the league).

Harris seems about as safe as you can get at RB over the next couple years, but I am less worried about injury/ conditioning than most people on Akers and Burks, and feel my team is in a good spot to take on risk and chase upside. 

Yeah ok so Akers and Burks easily for me here. Like I wouldn't really hesitate honestly. Less to do with love for Akers and hate for Najee and more that I think Burks gets gobs of targets and represents basically a full profit here. I have Najee just behind Akers myself. Situation matters to me and the Rams are going to eat. I think this trade is actually a heck of a pull. So there.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Anything with duplicate players makes my eyes cross and my brain swell up. Then everything gets all fuzzy, and I need a beer to recover. 

I can deal with the duplicates but think its garbage that you can't own both guys of the same player.  That just seems dumb.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Yeah I actually missed the trade and was just commenting on these injuries in general and Akers. I never even saw what the trade was. Good points about the athletes being built differently for the different sports (and positions within). I also agree that one of the reasons Durant was able to come back is because he is a top 15 player and even if he is slowed down he can still nail 30 footers and has value. There are probably *tons* of athletes we could point to where their story reinforces the "achilles injuries ruin careers" narrative but how many of them were starters or impact players? How much is a team going to invest in a journeyman type? 

I'd say Akers isn't a journeyman type. Based simply on what we saw late last season. I was already big on him when I was drafting him in the 1st/2nd round last year, and he is definitely not a HOF or Durant level asset, but he is still someone the club is invested in (to a degree) and would seem to be the focal point of their running game until further notice. The SB champions we're talking about. Who are *probably* going to be better this year. On defense, too. If Akers was a 3rd string back maybe he doesn't have a job anymore. IDK. Anyway. Rolling on. I hope he stays healthy and not for my meager couple of shares but because I'm rooting for him. Heck of a comeback if he really does it (beyond what he did late last year).

Agreed.  Routing for him.  I just hate to overvalue him till I see it and no way I consider him close to Harris at this time.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yeah ok so Akers and Burks easily for me here. Like I wouldn't really hesitate honestly. Less to do with love for Akers and hate for Najee and more that I think Burks gets gobs of targets and represents basically a full profit here. I have Najee just behind Akers myself. Situation matters to me and the Rams are going to eat. I think this trade is actually a heck of a pull. So there.

I think I still prefer Harris.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I think I still prefer Harris.

I know I do.  Still too much risk on the other side.  We know what we get in Harris.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I know I do.  Still too much risk on the other side.  We know what we get in Harris.

I’m on the Harris side, obviously, but there is a world where it looks very good for the other side. I am a fan of Burks and Akers could return back to form. I agree the risk is on one side.

* admittedly Harris wouldn’t be the first rookie RB that succeeded big on big volume and then faded. Heck he wouldn’t be the first from Bama even.