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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (22 Viewers)

How the heck do you wind up getting those guys at those picks, though? Gibson at 27?
It's all FFPC (which is also where I hear people say things like those picks aren't worth anything because that's where I play). There were leagues where some of those guys just fell really far. And there are usually on average something like 2-4 vets that get picked up prior to 3.01 hitting the clock.
 
All these trades are from different leagues.

FFPC 1 QB

Gave: Romeo Doubs
Got: 3.11

Needed to clear a roster spot.

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FFPC superflex best ball

Gave: 3.02, Tyler Boyd
Got: 2.08

Needed to clear a roster spot.

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FFPC superflex best ball

Gave: 1.05, '24 R2
Got: 1.04, Rashaad Penny

Other team needed to clear a roster spot, I had room.
 
All these trades are from different leagues.

FFPC 1 QB

Gave: Romeo Doubs
Got: 3.11

Needed to clear a roster spot.

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I think I like the value on Dobbs. Good pickup.
FFPC superflex best ball

Gave: 3.02, Tyler Boyd
Got: 2.08

Needed to clear a roster spot.

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I like this move.
FFPC superflex best ball

Gave: 1.05, '24 R2
Got: 1.04, Rashaad Penny
So you moved up a spot and got Penny. Hard not to like that.
Other team needed to clear a roster spot, I had room.
 
Just did this in one standard FFPC:

Gave: Alec Pierce, 2.11 and a 2023#3(projected late if it matters)

Got: Toney and 3.3

I got Mahomes, Kelce, and Skyy on this team so adding another Chief but in general while I like Pierce just fine and he's certainly more durable I like Toney's upside enough to move the 2.11 back a few spots and lose my third next year.
 
FFPC SuperFlex it's getting drastic out here

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07

Not planning on keeping either player here so in my mind I cleared a roster spot. I'm also well over 50% hit rate on 3rd and 4th round rookie selections over the years so I actually kind of love these picks that everyone hates. Kittle is getting older and has lots of comp for targets. I love Dulcich and I think Gibson is criminally undervalued right now. Just a depth RB at this point but a solid one IMO. @menobrown that's one less Claypool share.

ETA I'm still at 19 if I cut Chark and JJ and have more work to do. I have way too many WR3/4 types.
Wow do I need to target dulcich or what? What am I missing. He your big 2nd year TE breakout?
More than anything it is that I think Kittle is overrated (for fantasy) as he heads into his 30yo season. But yes I'm pretty big on Dulcich in Sean Payton's pass friendly system. Even though I moved him the other day for Otton and 3.01 in a different spot. But the roster spot crunch is a really big factor here. Although I've gotten away from posting it, my value system for players and picks has this trade like this:

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd 28+9+11+5=53 franchise points (think super similarly to the Hindery system)
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07 21+18+3+3+3=47 but I also consider roster spots in FFPC to be worth ~7 points so=54 FPs
I respect you as a poster along with a few others. When I see a trade like this that makes me whip my head back around it has me thinking of trying to acquire dulcich other places.
 
Got Doubs in two leagues I'm about to cut him and have tried what feels like 50 something offers to get this kind of small return to no avail.

Other trades all seem solid as well.

I've got him in 4-5 leagues and was able to move him in two of them. In this particular trade, I was going to cut him. (I very much entertained the idea of rejecting it and trying to draft Doubs back later, but decided to just take the pick.)
 
FFPC SuperFlex it's getting drastic out here

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07

Not planning on keeping either player here so in my mind I cleared a roster spot. I'm also well over 50% hit rate on 3rd and 4th round rookie selections over the years so I actually kind of love these picks that everyone hates. Kittle is getting older and has lots of comp for targets. I love Dulcich and I think Gibson is criminally undervalued right now. Just a depth RB at this point but a solid one IMO. @menobrown that's one less Claypool share.

ETA I'm still at 19 if I cut Chark and JJ and have more work to do. I have way too many WR3/4 types.
Wow do I need to target dulcich or what? What am I missing. He your big 2nd year TE breakout?
More than anything it is that I think Kittle is overrated (for fantasy) as he heads into his 30yo season. But yes I'm pretty big on Dulcich in Sean Payton's pass friendly system. Even though I moved him the other day for Otton and 3.01 in a different spot. But the roster spot crunch is a really big factor here. Although I've gotten away from posting it, my value system for players and picks has this trade like this:

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd 28+9+11+5=53 franchise points (think super similarly to the Hindery system)
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07 21+18+3+3+3=47 but I also consider roster spots in FFPC to be worth ~7 points so=54 FPs
I respect you as a poster along with a few others. When I see a trade like this that makes me whip my head back around it has me thinking of trying to acquire dulcich other places.
I appreciate that but word of caution, I fall into that school of thought that says if you're not losing a trade once in a while then you're not making enough of them. And I have definitely lost a handful, some by a lot. But yeah I think this may be as close to peak value on Kittle as we will find (in terms of the arc of his career, not the deal I made). I've been wrong about a lot of TEs but Dulcich is in a good spot, and is going relatively high in redrafts and BBs, so there seems to be some level of group optimism on him out there, for whatever that is worth.
 
FFPC 1 QB

Gave: Romeo Doubs
Got: 3.11

Needed to clear a roster spot.
Got Doubs in two leagues I'm about to cut him and have tried what feels like 50 something offers to get this kind of small return to no avail.

Other trades all seem solid as well.
I'm cutting Doubs in 2 leagues and keeping him in 2. I've tried to move him to no avail. Nobody's willing to give up a 4th. I'm ok throwing him back into the pool. Maybe I'll pick him back up around round 4.
 
Man, all the work over the last 2 seasons rebuilding, and today one of the top 3 teams announced he’s retiring from all FF sports.

So I hooked up my buddy with the opening and I have to admit I’m a little ticked. He walks into a top team, light on picks but loaded with assets (Hurts/Murray, like 10 decent RBs, 4 good TE, several solid WR)

And I look at my team and the work I’ve put in the last 2 years. It’s just not right. lol

As soon as he joins imma flood him with trade offers. :lol:

This happened to me. Guy quit, got my friend in the league the team has Kyler Murray, Chase, Chubb, Olave, Swift, AJ Brown, Kittle, Evans, Pitts etc wins league on his first try 😂Was happy for him but still… walks into a loaded team and wins firs effort
 
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Just did this in one standard FFPC:

Gave: Alec Pierce, 2.11 and a 2023#3(projected late if it matters)

Got: Toney and 3.3

I got Mahomes, Kelce, and Skyy on this team so adding another Chief but in general while I like Pierce just fine and he's certainly more durable I like Toney's upside enough to move the 2.11 back a few spots and lose my third next year.

I would go with Toney here...still 1,000 questions about him but he is in a good spot with KC and will enter this season with familiarity...even if they bring in a high-end rookie or make a deal for a vet like Hopkins they lost Juju and Hardman so he still is in a position to carve out a solid roll if (and it is a big if) he can stay on the field and be reliable and we all know about his potential upside if it all finally clicks...you really did not give up much at all so if he doesn't hit you have little if any downside of taking a chance on him...my guess is the other Owner just wanted out because he really did not help his team out with this deal.
 
12 Team 1PPR SuperFlex

Team A: Chase Claypool
Team B: David Bell

Interesting time to be acquiring Bell after the Browns just acquired Moore...would go with Claypool just because you have to pick a side.
If I could deal Bell for Claypool I’d do it in a heartbeat.

The hope is you don't have either on your roster!
Probably a post-draft cut. 🥹

He was a toss-in.
 
FFPC SuperFlex it's getting drastic out here

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07

Not planning on keeping either player here so in my mind I cleared a roster spot. I'm also well over 50% hit rate on 3rd and 4th round rookie selections over the years so I actually kind of love these picks that everyone hates. Kittle is getting older and has lots of comp for targets. I love Dulcich and I think Gibson is criminally undervalued right now. Just a depth RB at this point but a solid one IMO. @menobrown that's one less Claypool share.

ETA I'm still at 19 if I cut Chark and JJ and have more work to do. I have way too many WR3/4 types.
Wow do I need to target dulcich or what? What am I missing. He your big 2nd year TE breakout?
More than anything it is that I think Kittle is overrated (for fantasy) as he heads into his 30yo season. But yes I'm pretty big on Dulcich in Sean Payton's pass friendly system. Even though I moved him the other day for Otton and 3.01 in a different spot. But the roster spot crunch is a really big factor here. Although I've gotten away from posting it, my value system for players and picks has this trade like this:

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd 28+9+11+5=53 franchise points (think super similarly to the Hindery system)
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07 21+18+3+3+3=47 but I also consider roster spots in FFPC to be worth ~7 points so=54 FPs
I respect you as a poster along with a few others. When I see a trade like this that makes me whip my head back around it has me thinking of trying to acquire dulcich other places.
I appreciate that but word of caution, I fall into that school of thought that says if you're not losing a trade once in a while then you're not making enough of them. And I have definitely lost a handful, some by a lot. But yeah I think this may be as close to peak value on Kittle as we will find (in terms of the arc of his career, not the deal I made). I've been wrong about a lot of TEs but Dulcich is in a good spot, and is going relatively high in redrafts and BBs, so there seems to be some level of group optimism on him out there, for whatever that is worth.
If you never get caught bluffing then you're not bluffing enough.

I always make sure to periodically mention in the league chat the trades that blew up in my face. Just to keep that thought out there, I send more offers than anyone else and that can get you a bad reputation but i try and point out that hey they backfire on me some too so I'm a guy that can be had.

Sold Goedert for Claypool at the deadline of CC's rookie year. That one has gotten me a lot of laughs, but also maybe an extra trade acceptance here or there since then...
 
Sold Goedert for Claypool at the deadline of CC's rookie year. That one has gotten me a lot of laughs, but also maybe an extra trade acceptance here or there since then...

After Claypool's rookie season and before the 2021 rookie draft, I traded the next year's 1st and 2nd for Claypool and the 2.09 that year. Kinda funny because I took Pat Freiermuth with the 2.09. The future picks I traded ended up as the 1.11 and 2.11, and those turned into George Pickens and Trey McBride. Whole lotta Steelers.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
This seems like relatively fair value to me. I'm not as high on Dulcich as others. I think he is getting too much love for Payton being there when Russ has never really supported great TE play. I have Kelce/Pitts in my main dynasty league so to be fair, I haven't even been thinking about TEs but this is a really deep TE class so I don't get why people are putting so much value there on him. I could be wrong though but he feels very average to me.
 
FFPC SuperFlex it's getting drastic out here

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07

Not planning on keeping either player here so in my mind I cleared a roster spot. I'm also well over 50% hit rate on 3rd and 4th round rookie selections over the years so I actually kind of love these picks that everyone hates. Kittle is getting older and has lots of comp for targets. I love Dulcich and I think Gibson is criminally undervalued right now. Just a depth RB at this point but a solid one IMO. @menobrown that's one less Claypool share.

ETA I'm still at 19 if I cut Chark and JJ and have more work to do. I have way too many WR3/4 types.
Wow do I need to target dulcich or what? What am I missing. He your big 2nd year TE breakout?
More than anything it is that I think Kittle is overrated (for fantasy) as he heads into his 30yo season. But yes I'm pretty big on Dulcich in Sean Payton's pass friendly system. Even though I moved him the other day for Otton and 3.01 in a different spot. But the roster spot crunch is a really big factor here. Although I've gotten away from posting it, my value system for players and picks has this trade like this:

I gave Kittle, Carter, Claypool, 2024 3rd 28+9+11+5=53 franchise points (think super similarly to the Hindery system)
I got Dulcich, Gibson, Chark, Juwan Johnson, 4.01, 4.02, 4.07 21+18+3+3+3=47 but I also consider roster spots in FFPC to be worth ~7 points so=54 FPs
I respect you as a poster along with a few others. When I see a trade like this that makes me whip my head back around it has me thinking of trying to acquire dulcich other places.
I appreciate that but word of caution, I fall into that school of thought that says if you're not losing a trade once in a while then you're not making enough of them. And I have definitely lost a handful, some by a lot. But yeah I think this may be as close to peak value on Kittle as we will find (in terms of the arc of his career, not the deal I made). I've been wrong about a lot of TEs but Dulcich is in a good spot, and is going relatively high in redrafts and BBs, so there seems to be some level of group optimism on him out there, for whatever that is worth.
If you never get caught bluffing then you're not bluffing enough.

I always make sure to periodically mention in the league chat the trades that blew up in my face. Just to keep that thought out there, I send more offers than anyone else and that can get you a bad reputation but i try and point out that hey they backfire on me some too so I'm a guy that can be had.

Sold Goedert for Claypool at the deadline of CC's rookie year. That one has gotten me a lot of laughs, but also maybe an extra trade acceptance here or there since then...
Yep yep. And also similarly to poker, if you are seen making a mistake like that, whether it's getting caught in a bluff or giving someone extra value in a trade... it often leads to future deals/pots that are just what you need. Somebody think they're getting one over on you next time but then you have the goods. That's how it reads on paper anyway.
 
Some low return cut down related FFPC trades, both players I gave up were due to be cut:

Gave: Doubs and 3.12

Got: 3.3

Could end up just being a give away, tried hard using him to upgrade my top 3 picks which are 12,19 and 24 so just upgraded this pick instead. He could be a good player but I got 6 good WR's and re-drafting him was not a goal so was ok giving away cheap to a non-contending team and increases my ammo to move up during the draft.

Gave: Jelani Woods
Got: 3.9

If Indy did actually land Lamar he'd be interesting. Similar to Doubs I tried hard to use him to upgrade my pick 23 into a higher second but no dice. I did not have a pick between 23 and 47 and this 3.9 is the exact spot in the draft last year I drafted back Evan Engram after cutting him so maybe I get fortunate again, though I can't obviously redraft my guy this time.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
I'm noted as being quite big on Dulcich and thought his performance and production at a position that rookies generally have a tough learning curve was impressive in general, compares favorably with year one of most of the current elite TE's rookie seasons and what was especially impressive to me was he did so while missing a ton of time which in theory should have make the rookie learning curve more difficult.

I was high on him before Payton, that was just the icing on the cake, and they are still trying to trade Sutton and Juedy which won't hurt his chances if they end up successful.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
I'm noted as being quite big on Dulcich and thought his performance and production at a position that rookies generally have a tough learning curve was impressive in general, compares favorably with year one of most of the current elite TE's rookie seasons and what was especially impressive to me was he did so while missing a ton of time which in theory should have make the rookie learning curve more difficult.

I was high on him before Payton, that was just the icing on the cake, and they are still trying to trade Sutton and Juedy which won't hurt his chances if they end up successful.
True but they want a 1st for Jeudy or a 2nd for Sutton so I think they stick with them. I think Dulcich is fine but I just don't see an elite talent there. At TE, if you aren't elite then you are just a guy. Could be wrong though but tried telling everyone last year on here the same things on Gabe Davis and Swift but nobody listened and I was right. Worth a shot at this price though I would say.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
This seems like relatively fair value to me. I'm not as high on Dulcich as others. I think he is getting too much love for Payton being there when Russ has never really supported great TE play. I have Kelce/Pitts in my main dynasty league so to be fair, I haven't even been thinking about TEs but this is a really deep TE class so I don't get why people are putting so much value there on him. I could be wrong though but he feels very average to me.

Admittedly, I'm caught up in the "look what Payton did for Jimmy Graham!" narrative, but my TEs are absolute trash (Gesicki, Fant, Knox), so I'm willing to roll the dice. It's true this rookie TE class does seem deep, but Dulcich showed some potential, and I feel like he's a better bet to have starting-lineup potential as a second-year TE than I could expect from a rookie. (Also, to your point about the bolded part above, Graham had almost a thousand yards in 2016 and had 10 TDs in 2017, making the Pro Bowl both years with Russ in Seattle, so I don't think it's true he can't support great TE play. It just depends on how good the TE is.)
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
I'm noted as being quite big on Dulcich and thought his performance and production at a position that rookies generally have a tough learning curve was impressive in general, compares favorably with year one of most of the current elite TE's rookie seasons and what was especially impressive to me was he did so while missing a ton of time which in theory should have make the rookie learning curve more difficult.

I was high on him before Payton, that was just the icing on the cake, and they are still trying to trade Sutton and Juedy which won't hurt his chances if they end up successful.
True but they want a 1st for Jeudy or a 2nd for Sutton so I think they stick with them. I think Dulcich is fine but I just don't see an elite talent there. At TE, if you aren't elite then you are just a guy. Could be wrong though but tried telling everyone last year on here the same things on Gabe Davis and Swift but nobody listened and I was right. Worth a shot at this price though I would say.
What they want for those WR and what they end up trading will be different and I will be extremely surprised if one or both are not traded.

I never felt Gabe Davis was elite so when you say no one is listening it's because I did not need to.

Still disagree with you that Swift is not an elite talent. He's had some issues staying on the field so if you predicted that then great but if you are still knocking his talent that's not a feather I'd be putting in my cap.

The precise reason I like Dulchich is because he's not just a guy, when you see him run the talent seems kind of glaringly obvious to me.
 
I appreciate that but word of caution, I fall into that school of thought that says if you're not losing a trade once in a while then you're not making enough of them.
I spent (way too much) time going back to 2021 in this topic to document my "scorched earth" rebuild. I was curious about how I got form point A to point B.

20 trades in total.

I definitely did not win all of them. One of them I lost in horrific fashion.

But overall I'm feeling pretty good about the results. I'm thinking maybe after either the NFL draft or our rookie draft (and if folks are interested) I'll post up a topic about doing a rebuild this way, because it was 1. a hell of a lot of work, with 2 years of having a sucky team, 2. a labor of love, and 3. kind of an unusual yet rewarding way to rebuild a team.
 
I appreciate that but word of caution, I fall into that school of thought that says if you're not losing a trade once in a while then you're not making enough of them.
I spent (way too much) time going back to 2021 in this topic to document my "scorched earth" rebuild. I was curious about how I got form point A to point B.

20 trades in total.

I definitely did not win all of them. One of them I lost in horrific fashion.

But overall I'm feeling pretty good about the results. I'm thinking maybe after either the NFL draft or our rookie draft (and if folks are interested) I'll post up a topic about doing a rebuild this way, because it was 1. a hell of a lot of work, with 2 years of having a sucky team, 2. a labor of love, and 3. kind of an unusual yet rewarding way to rebuild a team.

I have made a ton of really, really great trades.

I have made a ton of really, really awful trades.

I remember only the awful ones.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
This seems like relatively fair value to me. I'm not as high on Dulcich as others. I think he is getting too much love for Payton being there when Russ has never really supported great TE play. I have Kelce/Pitts in my main dynasty league so to be fair, I haven't even been thinking about TEs but this is a really deep TE class so I don't get why people are putting so much value there on him. I could be wrong though but he feels very average to me.

Admittedly, I'm caught up in the "look what Payton did for Jimmy Graham!" narrative, but my TEs are absolute trash (Gesicki, Fant, Knox), so I'm willing to roll the dice. It's true this rookie TE class does seem deep, but Dulcich showed some potential, and I feel like he's a better bet to have starting-lineup potential as a second-year TE than I could expect from a rookie. (Also, to your point about the bolded part above, Graham had almost a thousand yards in 2016 and had 10 TDs in 2017, making the Pro Bowl both years with Russ in Seattle, so I don't think it's true he can't support great TE play. It just depends on how good the TE is.)
Agreed Graham played well there for those 2 years but in 2017 he didn't kill it outside of TDs and I'd say Graham is one of the best TEs we have seen in the last decade or so. Hard to compare Dulcich to him. I think you made a good move if you need a TE though. Russ also isn't the same player he was but I could be wrong for sure. I just don't see elite level and like the Kittle trade earlier in this thread that was valuing him as elite. I don't think you are here and this is a solid move.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
I'm noted as being quite big on Dulcich and thought his performance and production at a position that rookies generally have a tough learning curve was impressive in general, compares favorably with year one of most of the current elite TE's rookie seasons and what was especially impressive to me was he did so while missing a ton of time which in theory should have make the rookie learning curve more difficult.

I was high on him before Payton, that was just the icing on the cake, and they are still trying to trade Sutton and Juedy which won't hurt his chances if they end up successful.
True but they want a 1st for Jeudy or a 2nd for Sutton so I think they stick with them. I think Dulcich is fine but I just don't see an elite talent there. At TE, if you aren't elite then you are just a guy. Could be wrong though but tried telling everyone last year on here the same things on Gabe Davis and Swift but nobody listened and I was right. Worth a shot at this price though I would say.
What they want for those WR and what they end up trading will be different and I will be extremely surprised if one or both are not traded.

I never felt Gabe Davis was elite so when you say no one is listening it's because I did not need to.

Still disagree with you that Swift is not an elite talent. He's had some issues staying on the field so if you predicted that then great but if you are still knocking his talent that's not a feather I'd be putting in my cap.

The precise reason I like Dulchich is because he's not just a guy, when you see him run the talent seems kind of glaringly obvious to me.
And I'll admit I could be wrong and haven't looked at him that hard. I just see someone that I don't ever see getting in the top 3-4 at TE personally. This value is great for him though in this trade. Just feels like he is being talked up more than he should.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
I'm a TE hoarder. They are hard to evaluate, break out late, and are scheme dependent. I figure I should just collect them all until I get a couple that hit.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
I'm noted as being quite big on Dulcich and thought his performance and production at a position that rookies generally have a tough learning curve was impressive in general, compares favorably with year one of most of the current elite TE's rookie seasons and what was especially impressive to me was he did so while missing a ton of time which in theory should have make the rookie learning curve more difficult.

I was high on him before Payton, that was just the icing on the cake, and they are still trying to trade Sutton and Juedy which won't hurt his chances if they end up successful.
True but they want a 1st for Jeudy or a 2nd for Sutton so I think they stick with them. I think Dulcich is fine but I just don't see an elite talent there. At TE, if you aren't elite then you are just a guy. Could be wrong though but tried telling everyone last year on here the same things on Gabe Davis and Swift but nobody listened and I was right. Worth a shot at this price though I would say.
What they want for those WR and what they end up trading will be different and I will be extremely surprised if one or both are not traded.

I never felt Gabe Davis was elite so when you say no one is listening it's because I did not need to.

Still disagree with you that Swift is not an elite talent. He's had some issues staying on the field so if you predicted that then great but if you are still knocking his talent that's not a feather I'd be putting in my cap.

The precise reason I like Dulchich is because he's not just a guy, when you see him run the talent seems kind of glaringly obvious to me.
And I'll admit I could be wrong and haven't looked at him that hard. I just see someone that I don't ever see getting in the top 3-4 at TE personally. This value is great for him though in this trade. Just feels like he is being talked up more than he should.

Maybe and not ready to predict that upside myself, only that I see potential to do so.

But were we see a TE as "just a guy" might be different.

For instance just looking at last year in this format you had Njoku at TE8 in PPG and he was just 1.8 points above rookie year Dulcich. I feel confident Dulchich can rise to this can of range and be at least a mid TE1 type.

Now you got Knox at who was TE11 all the down to Kmet who was TE20 and the separation between those 9 spots was just about one PPG. That to me is the "just a guy" range. Dulchich was in fact in that range last year but again as as an often injured rookie and I think he can at minimum break out of that next stratosphere so long as he can stay healthy.
 
FFPC superflex

Gave: 3.07, '24 R3
Got: Greg Dulcich

The other team had some really tough cuts, so I offered what I felt was slightly below value to gauge if he was desperate to free up a roster spot, and he accepted.
I'm noted as being quite big on Dulcich and thought his performance and production at a position that rookies generally have a tough learning curve was impressive in general, compares favorably with year one of most of the current elite TE's rookie seasons and what was especially impressive to me was he did so while missing a ton of time which in theory should have make the rookie learning curve more difficult.

I was high on him before Payton, that was just the icing on the cake, and they are still trying to trade Sutton and Juedy which won't hurt his chances if they end up successful.
True but they want a 1st for Jeudy or a 2nd for Sutton so I think they stick with them. I think Dulcich is fine but I just don't see an elite talent there. At TE, if you aren't elite then you are just a guy. Could be wrong though but tried telling everyone last year on here the same things on Gabe Davis and Swift but nobody listened and I was right. Worth a shot at this price though I would say.
What they want for those WR and what they end up trading will be different and I will be extremely surprised if one or both are not traded.

I never felt Gabe Davis was elite so when you say no one is listening it's because I did not need to.

Still disagree with you that Swift is not an elite talent. He's had some issues staying on the field so if you predicted that then great but if you are still knocking his talent that's not a feather I'd be putting in my cap.

The precise reason I like Dulchich is because he's not just a guy, when you see him run the talent seems kind of glaringly obvious to me.
And I'll admit I could be wrong and haven't looked at him that hard. I just see someone that I don't ever see getting in the top 3-4 at TE personally. This value is great for him though in this trade. Just feels like he is being talked up more than he should.

Maybe and not ready to predict that upside myself, only that I see potential to do so.

But were we see a TE as "just a guy" might be different.

For instance just looking at last year in this format you had Njoku at TE8 in PPG and he was just 1.8 points above rookie year Dulcich. I feel confident Dulchich can rise to this can of range and be at least a mid TE1 type.

Now you got Knox at who was TE11 all the down to Kmet who was TE20 and the separation between those 9 spots was just about one PPG. That to me is the "just a guy" range. Dulchich was in fact in that range last year but again as as an often injured rookie and I think he can at minimum break out of that next stratosphere so long as he can stay healthy.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. I could see him as a mid-late TE1 which is fine and worth 2 3rds all day. Just don't see elite talent. I guess I should clarify that I view Njoku last year as just a guy also.
 

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