****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (12 Viewers)

[eighsse2]

12 TM PPR QB, RB, 3WR, TE, F2 (RB/WR/TE)

Gave: D Watson, Okonkwo, 2024 1st (hopefully very late)
Got: J Hurts, 2024 3rd (likely mid)

Maybe a slight overpay - hoped to get a 2nd back instead of the 3rd, but QB was my weakest spot

Projected lineup:

QB Hurts
RB Barkley
WR Lamb
WR Moore
WR Lockett/Ridley
TE Kelce
FL Goedert
FL AJones/Sanders

I gave up 3 1st round picks for Mahomes so I would say you didn't overpay at all.

In 1QB???

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rebuild 12-team PPR SF league.

Start 10, no D/ST, no K.

Been having trouble building depth since all I had were my 2025 picks. Figured I’d take a chance at a RB I like to flip in-season if he outperforms expectations.

I gave: 2025 1st (hopefully late)
I rec’d: David Montgomery*

*if injury turns out to be season-ending, we all (inc commish) agreed it could be reversed. There hasn’t been an update & no one wanted to deal damaged goods.

At worst I have RB depth behind Bijan, ETN, AJD, & Mattison. Maybe ahead of Mattison.

At best I can move a RB for a WR upgrade during the season. The 2025 1st was tough to move. RBs aren’t.

 

[dipandglide]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

I hate to be that guy but I really really really don't like the fields for Watson move. Even if you think they're equal the concensus is that Fields is worth much more than Watson, and you should have been able to get at least a late 1st round pick along with Watson. You sold super low for a player who was terrible last year and hadn't played two years previous for an up and coming young star.

Be that guy. I'd love to see any deal with Watson+1st for Fields. Are those deals real?

The air in your voice makes it sound like Fields is a locked-in franchise QB. Watson is proven although he isn't the "sexy" commodity. I like franchise QB's over the next hot thing unless I'm a "believer". You may be right at the end pf the day. To be determined!

 

[Soulfly3]

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

 

[BigAl21]

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

Really? 3-4 or 5 at the most over DeShaun? Are you a Clemson or Cleveland fan bc that seems like a homer take. Even if you prefer Watson to Fields the thing is that most don’t do you extract more from the Watson owner or trade Fields to another owner of the Watson owner values Watson more (again, most won’t). I understand that a 1st is likely not going to get done but the idea is to get something back or find another avenue if you don’t truly believe in Fields.

 

[Soulfly3]

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

Really? 3-4 or 5 at the most over DeShaun? Are you a Clemson or Cleveland fan bc that seems like a homer take. Even if you prefer Watson to Fields the thing is that most don’t do you extract more from the Watson owner or trade Fields to another owner of the Watson owner values Watson more (again, most won’t). I understand that a 1st is likely not going to get done but the idea is to get something back or find another avenue if you don’t truly believe in Fields.

I am a Cleveland fan, absolutely. But speaking purely from a fantasy standpoint, I absolutely think of him as a top5 QB. He's already shown it.
Some time already on the field last szn to shake off the rust and now a full offseason WITH the team and some decent weapons, he sits again in my top5 QBs for dynasty. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert and Deshaun can be jumbled in any order for me as an "elite 6"

 

[efactor]

16 team, 1 QB

Almost feel embarrassed to post this one, but it was offered to me and I immediately hit the accept button:

I get Richardson for Achane, Matt Stafford and my 2nd rounder in 2025, which will be on the low end.

He just drafted Richardson at #4 overall and I drafted Achane at #14 overall. It is a contract league and after the draft, he picked up Deshawn Watson in our unrestricted free agency auction, so that's part of it. Other part is he needed RBs, so he liked Achane. But all that aside, he could have gotten more for Richardson if he was patient.

 

[heckmanm]

16 team, 1 QB

Almost feel embarrassed to post this one, but it was offered to me and I immediately hit the accept button:

I get Richardson for Achane, Matt Stafford and my 2nd rounder in 2025, which will be on the low end.

He just drafted Richardson at #4 overall and I drafted Achane at #14 overall. It is a contract league and after the draft, he picked up Deshawn Watson in our unrestricted free agency auction, so that's part of it. Other part is he needed RBs, so he liked Achane. But all that aside, he could have gotten more for Richardson if he was patient.

Put some ice on the finger you sprained smashing "Accept"

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team, 1 QB

Almost feel embarrassed to post this one, but it was offered to me and I immediately hit the accept button:

I get Richardson for Achane, Matt Stafford and my 2nd rounder in 2025, which will be on the low end.

He just drafted Richardson at #4 overall and I drafted Achane at #14 overall. It is a contract league and after the draft, he picked up Deshawn Watson in our unrestricted free agency auction, so that's part of it. Other part is he needed RBs, so he liked Achane. But all that aside, he could have gotten more for Richardson if he was patient.

I like it. If ARich hits you’ll turn a profit off of that in a year or 2.

 

[wgoldsph]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

I hate to be that guy but I really really really don't like the fields for Watson move. Even if you think they're equal the concensus is that Fields is worth much more than Watson, and you should have been able to get at least a late 1st round pick along with Watson. You sold super low for a player who was terrible last year and hadn't played two years previous for an up and coming young star.

Be that guy. I'd love to see any deal with Watson+1st for Fields. Are those deals real?

The air in your voice makes it sound like Fields is a locked-in franchise QB. Watson is proven although he isn't the "sexy" commodity. I like franchise QB's over the next hot thing unless I'm a "believer". You may be right at the end pf the day. To be determined!

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

I don't understand how you guys can consider Watson a safe bet. Besides the fact that he's 2 years and a terrible few games out of practice, this is Cleveland that gave him a huge contract. When's the last time they knew what they were doing? Didn't everyone with sense agree they had made a big mistake signing him to the amount they had?
He's only a lock to be a huge drag on the browns cap as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust any player who takes an extended time away from the game.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

I hate to be that guy but I really really really don't like the fields for Watson move. Even if you think they're equal the concensus is that Fields is worth much more than Watson, and you should have been able to get at least a late 1st round pick along with Watson. You sold super low for a player who was terrible last year and hadn't played two years previous for an up and coming young star.

Be that guy. I'd love to see any deal with Watson+1st for Fields. Are those deals real?

The air in your voice makes it sound like Fields is a locked-in franchise QB. Watson is proven although he isn't the "sexy" commodity. I like franchise QB's over the next hot thing unless I'm a "believer". You may be right at the end pf the day. To be determined!

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

I don't understand how you guys can consider Watson a safe bet. Besides the fact that he's 2 years and a terrible few games out of practice, this is Cleveland that gave him a huge contract. When's the last time they knew what they were doing? Didn't everyone with sense agree they had made a big mistake signing him to the amount they had?
He's only a lock to be a huge drag on the browns cap as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust any player who takes an extended time away from the game.

All that said, he's in a pretty good position to excel in the next year or two. How many good QBs change teams and immediately make an impact? I suspect it takes a good while to figure out a playbook on both the QB's side and the OC's side. I expect the Browns staff will make some adjustments to last season's playbook to work with Watson's skillset.

 

[JohnnyU]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

I hate to be that guy but I really really really don't like the fields for Watson move. Even if you think they're equal the concensus is that Fields is worth much more than Watson, and you should have been able to get at least a late 1st round pick along with Watson. You sold super low for a player who was terrible last year and hadn't played two years previous for an up and coming young star.

Be that guy. I'd love to see any deal with Watson+1st for Fields. Are those deals real?

The air in your voice makes it sound like Fields is a locked-in franchise QB. Watson is proven although he isn't the "sexy" commodity. I like franchise QB's over the next hot thing unless I'm a "believer". You may be right at the end pf the day. To be determined!

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

I don't understand how you guys can consider Watson a safe bet. Besides the fact that he's 2 years and a terrible few games out of practice, this is Cleveland that gave him a huge contract. When's the last time they knew what they were doing? Didn't everyone with sense agree they had made a big mistake signing him to the amount they had?
He's only a lock to be a huge drag on the browns cap as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust any player who takes an extended time away from the game.

Not safe, but I do expect he will be better this year, having knocked off the rust.

 

[menobrown]

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

I have a one start QB league with fairly small rosters and I'm stuck carrying Hurts, Watson and Fields. Would obviously like to trade one and the one I'd like to trade is Fields. That's relative to an expected higher return then Watson and long term outlook. Straight up though I'd take Fields and part of that was what looks right now like a hard lesson I learned last offseason. In another one QB start short roster(FFPC) league I was sitting on Herbert, Watson and Hurts.. For what is likely the same rationale as you had with this trade I decided to move Hurts on notion the other two had more longevity. I was thinking with their two #1 picks and Eagles front office analytics that suggest pass heavy approach is the way to winning that Hurts would be shoved out after this season. Now this was all before the AJB trade but I can admit I was dead wrong and I regret that now and in fact tried to buy Hurts back last year using Herbert+ and could not do it.

But long story short I get your rationale, I just would have wanted an little extra thrown my way to turn Fields into Watson.

But speaking purely from a fantasy standpoint, I absolutely think of him as a top5 QB. He's already shown it.

Without any doubt, not even an argument, he's basically been a 25 PPG scorer in standard 4 passing TD leagues every year of his career until last year. I'd also add I think last year was more then just the layoff, a lot of mental stuff or him to deal with going from one of the more pristine reps in the league to basically playing role of the a villian and I have total faith he'll get back to what he was and I'm not a Brown fans.

I have one issue with him however and due to that issue he's my 9th ranked QB. I'm not sure he can handle the elements, the weather. People don't factor that in for last year enough either, after his Texans debut he got served up a load of bad weather games. I'm not sure how he can handle it, heard him say a few years ago he does not like the cold. It won't happen like that every year and it won't likely happen till late in the season when it does happen but that's when all the money and everything is won. That's my biggest knock on him right now.

 

[Dez]

12 TM PPR QB, RB, 3WR, TE, F2 (RB/WR/TE)

Gave: D Watson, Okonkwo, 2024 1st (hopefully very late)
Got: J Hurts, 2024 3rd (likely mid)

Maybe a slight overpay - hoped to get a 2nd back instead of the 3rd, but QB was my weakest spot

Projected lineup:

QB Hurts
RB Barkley
WR Lamb
WR Moore
WR Lockett/Ridley
TE Kelce
FL Goedert
FL AJones/Sanders

I gave up 3 1st round picks for Mahomes so I would say you didn't overpay at all.

In 1QB???

Yes 1 QB the only thing I play

 

[dipandglide]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

I hate to be that guy but I really really really don't like the fields for Watson move. Even if you think they're equal the concensus is that Fields is worth much more than Watson, and you should have been able to get at least a late 1st round pick along with Watson. You sold super low for a player who was terrible last year and hadn't played two years previous for an up and coming young star.

Be that guy. I'd love to see any deal with Watson+1st for Fields. Are those deals real?

The air in your voice makes it sound like Fields is a locked-in franchise QB. Watson is proven although he isn't the "sexy" commodity. I like franchise QB's over the next hot thing unless I'm a "believer". You may be right at the end pf the day. To be determined!

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

I don't understand how you guys can consider Watson a safe bet. Besides the fact that he's 2 years and a terrible few games out of practice, this is Cleveland that gave him a huge contract. When's the last time they knew what they were doing? Didn't everyone with sense agree they had made a big mistake signing him to the amount they had?
He's only a lock to be a huge drag on the browns cap as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust any player who takes an extended time away from the game.

I don't disagree with the last part. I've been knocking Ridley for the same thing. The difference is Watson wasn't injured, wasn't gambling, and wasn't popping pills. Last year was always going to be a throwaway year. I expect him to bounce back and be the top 5-8 QB he was before the off-field issues.

 

[eighsse2]

12 TM PPR QB, RB, 3WR, TE, F2 (RB/WR/TE)

Gave: D Watson, Okonkwo, 2024 1st (hopefully very late)
Got: J Hurts, 2024 3rd (likely mid)

Maybe a slight overpay - hoped to get a 2nd back instead of the 3rd, but QB was my weakest spot

Projected lineup:

QB Hurts
RB Barkley
WR Lamb
WR Moore
WR Lockett/Ridley
TE Kelce
FL Goedert
FL AJones/Sanders

I gave up 3 1st round picks for Mahomes so I would say you didn't overpay at all.

In 1QB???

Yes 1 QB the only thing I play

That is ... a lot. Hopefully late firsts.

 

[Dez]

12 TM PPR QB, RB, 3WR, TE, F2 (RB/WR/TE)

Gave: D Watson, Okonkwo, 2024 1st (hopefully very late)
Got: J Hurts, 2024 3rd (likely mid)

Maybe a slight overpay - hoped to get a 2nd back instead of the 3rd, but QB was my weakest spot

Projected lineup:

QB Hurts
RB Barkley
WR Lamb
WR Moore
WR Lockett/Ridley
TE Kelce
FL Goedert
FL AJones/Sanders

I gave up 3 1st round picks for Mahomes so I would say you didn't overpay at all.

In 1QB???

Yes 1 QB the only thing I play

That is ... a lot. Hopefully late firsts.

7 and 9 this year plus a expected late 2024 1st.

People say "3 1st" but the thing is you could move pick 7 this year and likely get close to 2 1st for it I seen it done. Seen someone traded pick 6 for 13 and a 1st then trade 13 and 23 for another 1st. So those pick numbers always matter I should been "shrewd" and traded 7 down for a late 1st and more and then traded the guy "3 1st" since he posted "Mahomes available for 3 1st".
I offered the guy 2 1st and 2 2nds he passed then I traded a 2nd+3rd for a future 1st. Picks are just numbers sometimes and people can't see the forest for the trees. At least for me it meant I only technically gave up 2 1st, a 2nd and 3rd in theory as I replaced my own future 1st with that of a projected hopefully better future 1st. I could have dealt that future 1st instead of pick 7 but on the surface I rather have a future mid 1st then this year's 7 but I may have made a mistake as I could have likely traded 7 for a future 1st and more the big question is what future 1st ? If a likely late then I did better to hold. This is true if and only if my evaluation of the other team is correct (plus a little luck as you never know how the season plays out).

 

[dipandglide]

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball

Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I took over an orphan, don't like Burks, and get picks to make the team my "own"
---------------------
Gave: 1.06
Got: 1.10, 2.11

I could take Jaxon, but I prefer Flowers in bestball and got another pick. It seemed fair either way. I'd have stayed if Gibbs was still on the board

 

[Da Franchise]

Rebuild 12-team PPR SF league.

Start 10, no D/ST, no K.

Been having trouble building depth since all I had were my 2025 picks. Figured I’d take a chance at a RB I like to flip in-season if he outperforms expectations.

I gave: 2025 1st (hopefully late)
I rec’d: David Montgomery*

*if injury turns out to be season-ending, we all (inc commish) agreed it could be reversed. There hasn’t been an update & no one wanted to deal damaged goods.

At worst I have RB depth behind Bijan, ETN, AJD, & Mattison. Maybe ahead of Mattison.

At best I can move a RB for a WR upgrade during the season. The 2025 1st was tough to move. RBs aren’t.

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball

Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I took over an orphan, don't like Burks, and get picks to make the team my "own"
---------------------
Gave: 1.06
Got: 1.10, 2.11

I could take Jaxon, but I prefer Flowers in bestball and got another pick. It seemed fair either way. I'd have stayed if Gibbs was still on the board

I predict you take some heat for the first one but I don’t mind it if the players that were available in my drafts at those picks are also available in yours.

Edit- that was for Dip and glide, not sure how HSG got on there.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

FFPC (short bench) 1QB

Gave: 2024 1st, 2024 second, 2024 third, 2024 4th, Rodgers and Love.

Got: Josh Allen

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC (short bench) 1QB

Gave: 2024 1st, 2024 second, 2024 third, 2024 4th, Rodgers and Love.

Got: Josh Allen

Where's the other half of what you paid?

 

[efactor]

FFPC (short bench) 1QB

Gave: 2024 1st, 2024 second, 2024 third, 2024 4th, Rodgers and Love.

Got: Josh Allen

Where's the other half of what you paid?

Really. Been trying to get Allen for 2 years now and have been offering WAY more than that

 

[menobrown]

FFPC (short bench) 1QB

Gave: 2024 1st, 2024 second, 2024 third, 2024 4th, Rodgers and Love.

Got: Josh Allen

That's more then I could ever give up for a QB in standard FFPC.

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC (short bench) 1QB

Gave: 2024 1st, 2024 second, 2024 third, 2024 4th, Rodgers and Love.

Got: Josh Allen

That's more then I could ever give up for a QB in standard FFPC.

Lol

 

[Dez]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR 1 QB (not involved)

Bijan Robinson
for
ETN and LaPorta

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR 1 QB (not involved)

Bijan Robinson
for
ETN and LaPorta

It would take more than that to pry Bijan from me. I wouldn't do that if it was Pitts and ETN. I'm not convinced ETN will even keep Bigsby on the bench enough, but even if he does, it's not enough.

 

[Birdie048]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR 1 QB (not involved)

Bijan Robinson
for
ETN and LaPorta

Practically giving Bijan away!
Criminal deal for both side-
1) giving away Bijan for that
2) offering that for Bijan

 

[osubuckeyeman]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR 1 QB (not involved)

Bijan Robinson
for
ETN and LaPorta

I hate to poo-poo trades because you never know but this feels like you would need to take a shower if you offered this and it was accepted.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR 1 QB (not involved)

Bijan Robinson
for
ETN and LaPorta

Bijan

TEs notoriously slow to develop. I love ETN, but it’s a committee & Bijan is going to be special, IMO.

Easily Bijan side. If offered this for him I’d reject with no counter.

 

[Trent]

16 team 1qb ppr TEP


Team A trades Marquise Brown, 11.03 12.02.
To Team B for : Brock Purdy, 6.08, 9.08 and a 2024 2nd.

Then Team C trades : Trey Lance, Sam Darnold, Alec Pierce, 11.07,12.03, 13.08 and a 2024 10th.

To Team A for: Ryan Tannehill, 1.16, 7.04, 8.04, 9.08, 2024 2nd and 2024 5th.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team 1qb ppr TEP


Team A trades Marquise Brown, 11.03 12.02.
To Team B for : Brock Purdy, 6.08, 9.08 and a 2024 2nd.

Then Team C trades : Trey Lance, Sam Darnold, Alec Pierce, 11.07,12.03, 13.08 and a 2024 10th.

To Team A for: Ryan Tannehill, 1.16, 7.04, 8.04, 9.08, 2024 2nd and 2024 5th.

Watch, SF brings in a FA QB.

lol

 

[Cheen]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

Like Watson and Burks here.

Agree on Fields not being long for this league as a starter. Didn't the Bears essentially refuse to pass last year despite losing most of the year?

 

[Cheen]

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

I have a one start QB league with fairly small rosters and I'm stuck carrying Hurts, Watson and Fields. Would obviously like to trade one and the one I'd like to trade is Fields. That's relative to an expected higher return then Watson and long term outlook. Straight up though I'd take Fields and part of that was what looks right now like a hard lesson I learned last offseason. In another one QB start short roster(FFPC) league I was sitting on Herbert, Watson and Hurts.. For what is likely the same rationale as you had with this trade I decided to move Hurts on notion the other two had more longevity. I was thinking with their two #1 picks and Eagles front office analytics that suggest pass heavy approach is the way to winning that Hurts would be shoved out after this season. Now this was all before the AJB trade but I can admit I was dead wrong and I regret that now and in fact tried to buy Hurts back last year using Herbert+ and could not do it.

But long story short I get your rationale, I just would have wanted an little extra thrown my way to turn Fields into Watson.

But speaking purely from a fantasy standpoint, I absolutely think of him as a top5 QB. He's already shown it.

Without any doubt, not even an argument, he's basically been a 25 PPG scorer in standard 4 passing TD leagues every year of his career until last year. I'd also add I think last year was more then just the layoff, a lot of mental stuff or him to deal with going from one of the more pristine reps in the league to basically playing role of the a villian and I have total faith he'll get back to what he was and I'm not a Brown fans.

I have one issue with him however and due to that issue he's my 9th ranked QB. I'm not sure he can handle the elements, the weather. People don't factor that in for last year enough either, after his Texans debut he got served up a load of bad weather games. I'm not sure how he can handle it, heard him say a few years ago he does not like the cold. It won't happen like that every year and it won't likely happen till late in the season when it does happen but that's when all the money and everything is won. That's my biggest knock on him right now.

Agree completely with your DW take. He has shown he's at least the 6th-7thish best QB up to this point. I think people underestimate how difficult it is for anyone, let alone the QB, to start the season midyear. IIRC he wasn't allowed in the facility while suspended. No contact with the team. No practice to get timing right. Everyone on offense had settled into their groove. Entire offense grew accustomed to Jacoby Brissett.

The weather thing is a legit worry for both him and Amari.

 

[mzkp54]

12 team SF PPR IDP Contracts

JJeff (3), Vaughn (0)
for
JHerbert (2), Higgins (1)

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC (1 QB)

two deals went down, same team (the GAVE team) made two deals with two different teams. The GAVE team is in total rebuild.

first deal

Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Travis Kelce and Christian WAtson


2nd deal

Gave: Travis Kelce
Got: Dalton Kincaid and a 2024 1st (could be anywhere)



So after two deals the rebuilding team
Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Dalton Kincaid, Christian Watson, and a 2024 1st

 

[JohnnyU]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

Like Watson and Burks here.

Agree on Fields not being long for this league as a starter. Didn't the Bears essentially refuse to pass last year despite losing most of the year?

Fields did improve a little bit as a passer in 2022. At least he is over 60% and had a 17/11 td/int ratio compared to a 7/10 the year before. So, to saying he's "not being long for this league as a starter" is premature to say the least. As long as he's on the field he will be a great fantasy asset because of his legs.

 

[JohnnyU]

2nd deal

Gave: Travis Kelce
Got: Dalton Kincaid and a 2024 1st (could be anywhere)

Great trade for you. I like it.

 

[Blick]

FFPC (1 QB)

two deals went down, same team (the GAVE team) made two deals with two different teams. The GAVE team is in total rebuild.

first deal

Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Travis Kelce and Christian WAtson


2nd deal

Gave: Travis Kelce
Got: Dalton Kincaid and a 2024 1st (could be anywhere)



So after two deals the rebuilding team
Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Dalton Kincaid, Christian Watson, and a 2024 1st

I know Kelce can be a real difference maker, but two 1st seems steep. Well done.

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC (1 QB)

two deals went down, same team (the GAVE team) made two deals with two different teams. The GAVE team is in total rebuild.

first deal

Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Travis Kelce and Christian WAtson


2nd deal

Gave: Travis Kelce
Got: Dalton Kincaid and a 2024 1st (could be anywhere)



So after two deals the rebuilding team
Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Dalton Kincaid, Christian Watson, and a 2024 1st

I know Kelce can be a real difference maker, but two 1st seems steep. Well done.

His startup ADP is around pick 20. That also seems steep to use a 2nd round startup pick on a guy who is good for what, a year, or two maybe? Hell he might retire after this year, lol.

That first trade was a little gutsy. If nobody wanted to pay anything for Kelce they woulda been stuck with a 34 year old TE

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

In a PPR 12 team NON-TE Prem DEVY league (can draft rookies or underclassman) traded Kelce (33 years old) and Aaron Jones (28 years old) for Cam Akers (23 years old) and probably a mid 2024 1st round pick? Keeping in mind we can draft college underclassman and regular rookies.

It was hard for me to trade Kelce given how scarce the position is. Got to do it sometime, so why not now? Better a year too early than a year too late. I think Kelce will be viable for more than one year, but maybe not the Kelce we think?

I'd be ok moving Kelce for the right move but not sure this is it. I don't like Akers much so the only reason that is an upgrade to Jones is age. Kelce is worth more than a 24 mid 1st to me but I'm competing and it would take more than that for me. Like maybe if I thought the pick could be a top couple pick and get me Marvin Harrison Jr. or Caleb Williams.

DEVY is a whole different animal. Even 3rd round picks are more valuable than your standard dynasty leagues because we can draft 15 underclassman and that usually extends into the 3rd round. So a mid-1st in DEVY is a lot more valuable than a 1st in a standard dynasty league. While lots of major rookies will already be on a roster, there are always top underclassman available. Plus, because people are drafting underclassman, better regular rookies fall further. As for Akers, he really started coming on late last year and he's 23, so moving off of Jones for that is a good thing. I can be a contender, so moving Kelce will hurt, but I think the in the long run I'm better off doing it for what I got. I could be wrong and most here have the dynasty or redraft mindset, not the DEVY mindset.

I missed the DEVY thing and don't play any of that myself so sorry about that. I was referring to regular dynasty. Probably are better in the long term I just like to win and a chip now is way better than hope for the future to me. I could see why picks could be more valuable in that league and if you believe in Akers this makes more sense too.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

FFPC (1 QB)

two deals went down, same team (the GAVE team) made two deals with two different teams. The GAVE team is in total rebuild.

first deal

Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Travis Kelce and Christian WAtson


2nd deal

Gave: Travis Kelce
Got: Dalton Kincaid and a 2024 1st (could be anywhere)



So after two deals the rebuilding team
Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Dalton Kincaid, Christian Watson, and a 2024 1st

I don't hate either deal. Love that GAVE team was able to flip Kelce for a solid return.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 TM PPR QB, RB, 3WR, TE, F2 (RB/WR/TE)

Gave: D Watson, Okonkwo, 2024 1st (hopefully very late)
Got: J Hurts, 2024 3rd (likely mid)

Maybe a slight overpay - hoped to get a 2nd back instead of the 3rd, but QB was my weakest spot

Projected lineup:

QB Hurts
RB Barkley
WR Lamb
WR Moore
WR Lockett/Ridley
TE Kelce
FL Goedert
FL AJones/Sanders

I gave up 3 1st round picks for Mahomes so I would say you didn't overpay at all.

You gave up 3 1st round picks for Mahomes in a 1 QB league? That would be craziness but fair in a SF league.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

A couple of recent trades for an orphan I took over

12 tm, superflex, ppr, bestball (start 11)

Gave: Fields
Got: D. Watson

Fields rushing upside might make me regret this. I'm a sucker for locking in actual franchise QB's. Fields is anything but a lock. The jury is still out there on whether or not he'll stick in the league.
--------------------------------
Gave: Treylon Burks
Got: 2.03, 3.03, 4.09

I'm not on the Burks train and would rather have a player like Kendre Miller/Mims or trade up to acquire Zay Flowers. The extra dart throws are also nice. It's a bit light, but no one in the league showed much interest in Burks.

I hate to be that guy but I really really really don't like the fields for Watson move. Even if you think they're equal the concensus is that Fields is worth much more than Watson, and you should have been able to get at least a late 1st round pick along with Watson. You sold super low for a player who was terrible last year and hadn't played two years previous for an up and coming young star.

Be that guy. I'd love to see any deal with Watson+1st for Fields. Are those deals real?

The air in your voice makes it sound like Fields is a locked-in franchise QB. Watson is proven although he isn't the "sexy" commodity. I like franchise QB's over the next hot thing unless I'm a "believer". You may be right at the end pf the day. To be determined!

There's maybe 3-4-5 QBs id take over watson, but if you believe in a guy, grab him.

I don't understand how you guys can consider Watson a safe bet. Besides the fact that he's 2 years and a terrible few games out of practice, this is Cleveland that gave him a huge contract. When's the last time they knew what they were doing? Didn't everyone with sense agree they had made a big mistake signing him to the amount they had?
He's only a lock to be a huge drag on the browns cap as far as I'm concerned. I don't trust any player who takes an extended time away from the game.

I totally agree with you and he doesn't have D-Hop any more. Plus, it gets cold in Cleveland so offense will slow down more there as the season goes on than it did in Houston. I like Watson to bounce back this year but I think blindly throwing him in to the top 5 is a little presumptuous to say the least. I'd prefer Fields personally and I don't trust many people wearing Browns uniforms.

 

[menobrown]

FFPC (1 QB)

two deals went down, same team (the GAVE team) made two deals with two different teams. The GAVE team is in total rebuild.

first deal

Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Travis Kelce and Christian WAtson


2nd deal

Gave: Travis Kelce
Got: Dalton Kincaid and a 2024 1st (could be anywhere)



So after two deals the rebuilding team
Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Dalton Kincaid, Christian Watson, and a 2024 1st

I know Kelce can be a real difference maker, but two 1st seems steep. Well done.

His startup ADP is around pick 20. That also seems steep to use a 2nd round startup pick on a guy who is good for what, a year, or two maybe? Hell he might retire after this year, lol.

That first trade was a little gutsy. If nobody wanted to pay anything for Kelce they woulda been stuck with a 34 year old TE

Totality of trades is awesome for a rebuilding team.

I don't view getting Kelce in the original trade as risky since you were shedding two older players, or two players I'd project as having a similar shelf life to Kelce, so to me that mitigated the risk and you were still getting back the only young valued asset of the group.

I realize Kelce is 4 years older then Evans when I say they have a similar shelf life, Kelce just looks like he has more gas left in his tank and Jacobs, who seems older to me then he is, just seems like a 2-3 year window player relative to the position.

Crazy thing is I recall two years ago discussing Kelce on these boards and how people were still using late first round startup picks on a 32 year old TE. That's not something I would ever be able to do but his value has only dropped a little in the last two years, for sure could have a made a lot of worse investments. I can't think of a non-QB, or even a QB, that has held that much value at his age since I've been playing dynasty(which did not cover the Jerry Rice era)

Lastly I have a contending team, that is loaded with Chiefs and I love the Mahomes/Kelce hookup. I would still trade Kelce for Kincaid and a 2024#1 so can't like that deal enough for a rebuilding team.

 

[menobrown]

I totally agree with you and he doesn't have D-Hop any more

Not to nitpick but Watson's best season of his career was his last season in Houston without Hopkins plus he lost Will Fuller in-season and was not really working with much. His weapons right now in totality are as good or better then any point in his career IMO and not even close to what he was working with in his best statistical season, which was his last full season.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 TM PPR QB, RB, 3WR, TE, F2 (RB/WR/TE)

Gave: D Watson, Okonkwo, 2024 1st (hopefully very late)
Got: J Hurts, 2024 3rd (likely mid)

Maybe a slight overpay - hoped to get a 2nd back instead of the 3rd, but QB was my weakest spot

Projected lineup:

QB Hurts
RB Barkley
WR Lamb
WR Moore
WR Lockett/Ridley
TE Kelce
FL Goedert
FL AJones/Sanders

I gave up 3 1st round picks for Mahomes so I would say you didn't overpay at all.

In 1QB???

Yes 1 QB the only thing I play

That is a vast overpay for Mahomes in a 1 QB league. Wow. 3 1sts for a QB there is nutso. I only play 1 QB too for dynasty so I'm right there with you.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I totally agree with you and he doesn't have D-Hop any more

Not to nitpick but Watson's best season of his career was his last season in Houston without Hopkins plus he lost Will Fuller in-season and was not really working with much. His weapons right now in totality are as good or better then any point in his career IMO and not even close to what he was working with in his best statistical season, which was his last full season.

I'd have to look at his last season but D-Hop/Fuller are miles better than Amari Cooper/DPJ/Elijah Moore. Not sure how you figure these are the best weapons of his career. He also, is in a very different offense than he was in Houston and playing outside. I think he bounces back but his days of being a top 5 QB are over IMO.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team SF PPR IDP Contracts

JJeff (3), Vaughn (0)
for
JHerbert (2), Higgins (1)

In SF I’m likely selling Jefferson for this package.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So after two deals the rebuilding team
Gave: Josh Jacobs, Mike Evans, and Dalton Schultz
Got: Dalton Kincaid, Christian Watson, and a 2024 1st

Seems like a sharp couple of moves.

 

[menobrown]

I'd have to look at his last season but D-Hop/Fuller are miles better than Amari Cooper/DPJ/Elijah Moore. Not sure how you figure these are the best weapons of his career.

Don't agree.