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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (31 Viewers)
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-OZ-
Footballguy
I like Wright a lot. Might not be elite but solid rb2 type imo. I’ll take him.
Short term sure. If I’m building, I probably do. Although I traded Rome and a 25 late 1st for Bijan. Seems similar enough.
The other side in a full PPR, especially so in a half PPR league.
Gibbs's is a top 3 dynasty back, IMO probably a year out from being considered the top guy overall. Big fan of Rome, but WR's are abundant and we got like 3 really young RB's in the league right now that feel like fairly long term building blocks.
I know you are in a rebuild but I think someone can enjoy like the next 3 years of Gibbs service and then get this kind of return.
Easy win for you without the context, especially so with it.
I'm not a big Pittman guy, but unless that 2025#1 seems like a lock to be high I'd have to consider him the most valuable asset in the trade.
But the 3 pieces you got would slot in as 2-4,with all 3 having a shot to produce the best player in the trade. I guess someone could say that's technically true of any pick but that's a first, a department store priced first and a RB I'd drafted in the first last year and would put inside the top 12 this year.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Just a 10 teamer but starting 10 offensive players requires quite a bit of depth.
@menobrown - the team I traded with picked first this year (worst record). However, he has made some off-season moves. it would be a complete anomaly if the 2025 1st wasn't in the top 5.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah but you were the one getting the more proven assset.
Also as a Bijan shareholder that wouldn’t be nearly enough for me. I worked way too hard to tank for 1.01
I'd take that pick straight up over PIttman myself. That may be a minority opinion but I'm a little worried about a guy that needs so much volume to produce in an offense with Richardson/Taylor and adding more high quality target comp. He tough and solid and won't bust, just might be very meh and I don't think you'll miss him much at all with what you got, even if you have to start 10 offensive players.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Thank you!
I agree and am completely fine with guys I have seen available at #10 and #11 in this draft, just to replace the production I am losing from Pittman. I would be tempted to take both Ladd and BTJ and think they have a clearer path to being better than Pittman, given their situations. This move gives me flexibility to draft BPA and not try to squeeze a square peg into a round hole by taking a RB too early, etc.
Additionally, I think there are some decent RB's coming in 2025 and I wanted to position myself with an earlier pick to take a shot at one of them.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’ll admit it, I really like having MHjr and Bijan. Despite not a whole lot else.Yeah but you were the one getting the more proven assset.
Also as a Bijan shareholder that wouldn’t be nearly enough for me. I worked way too hard to tank for 1.01
starks
Footballguy
Fair enough. Here is the thing I now own 1.01, 1.03, 1.07, 1.11, 1.12, 2.01, that is 6 of the first 13 picks and my roster is completely stripped down I am not winning a game this year most likely as I am going to taxi these top guys in order to tank and get the 1.01 next year. (Also have 2 high firsts and two high seconds projected next year) I do own Burrow and JSN but the thing on Gibbs is I think it is going to be at least 2 years from competing for the playoffs. By the time I am a contender Gibbs will be in his 4th or 5th year....or injured and washed. Definitely a tough decision but no risk it no biscuit. Stack QB/WR this year and RB/TE next year is my plan. We shall see.
sheerterror
Footballguy
I guess in a nutshell given the team need, moving Lamb for Purdy, Nico and a 1st (I'm assuming mid-late with a Lamb acquisition) isn't a bad exit, but as a Lamb owner I think I would want more.
kutta
Footballguy
NM - I misread the post.
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TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I think this is pretty light - I shot the Lamb owner an offer of - Tank Dell, Michael Pittman, 2025 1st round pick (as my pick is last this year), 2024 - 3.10 for Lamb and his second round pick.
Owner said - "I can't sell CeeDee Lamb".
Guy needs a QB so sells his bonafide stud WR for Brock Purdy and Zeke Elliott? Selling CeeDee Lamb should net you Josh Allen + a first round pick (and I don't know that would be enough to get the deal done.)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You’ve got rookie fevah, and it’s catching!
Gibbs is a blue-chip player in a top NFL offense. To me, that known commodity has a bit more value.
But to each their own. I don’t hate the value.
starks
Footballguy
I don’t have Bijan. I would have def built around that my roster as is really is *** outside of burrow and JSN.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m gonna need a moment to digest this one.
I see it as basically Purdy+Nico+1st for Lamb.
Probably fair. 1 QB I still might want the Lamb side.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
be me.
kutta
Footballguy
Ah, OK. Not sure why I was thinking you had Bijan.
starks
Footballguy
Haha yea maybe. The way I see it I was headed for a middle of the pack season. Either be all in or all out! My name on our trophy 4 times and been in finals 6/10 years time for a new challenge hah
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Understood. I am the team selling Lamb, and had a great deal of quality depth behind him. I'm also a big believer in Nico continuing to deliver.
If I had more than Watson at QB, I wouldn't have sniffed the trade.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I just think you sold short in Lamb. The current state of the team, Lamb is that offenses everything. It is fine to be high on Nico, admittedly I am not, but your perceived value and fair market value don't seem to align.
I just believe Lamb should net you a top QB+ player and picks. I'd say most people would be willing to drop any QB in the league for Lamb and if it's Brock Purdy... I don't want a 1 year rental on Ezekiel Elliott. I understand being needy at a position but don't settle.
Ridgeback
Footballguy
All fair points, no doubt.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I would say value-wise just about anyone should be willing to swap any two QB's and then some for Lamb. In a smaller lineup like a start 7 league ... those top-notch guys like Lamb are the ticket because they make up such a large portion of your total ... Having Watson and not much depth behind him at QB is far from some emergency sell-the-farm situation.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team ppr. Start 1 QB. Short bench.
Gave: 2.03, C. Tillman
Received: K. Miller
Gave: 2.03, C. Tillman
Received: K. Miller
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Ridgeback
Footballguy
This is a 12 team league. I would put a value of 3 first round picks for Lamb. Collins is worth one, I got another, and I think a early second, Purdy, and Elliot are worth another.
Anyways, moving on.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In a 1 QB 12 team league I don’t have Purdy worth a 1st. I have Purdy at about 70% of a random 2025 1st.
Zeke adds nowhere near enough value to narrow that gap. IMO.
Ridgeback
Footballguy
I was saying that Purdy, an early 2nd, and Elliot combined are worth a first ( at least).
Purdy and Zeke were both in some rookie drafts in FFPC 12 team one start leagues and Purdy went 3.2 and Zeke late third.
Long story short I can get behind 2.4 and those two being worth a first in larger league, but a really late one. But you also gave one 3.4 which cancels one of these out. I'd personally not put the value of all that as a late one but for now let's just say it's on par with 1.12.
I can get behind your theory that Lamb's value is worth three #1's but not all #1's are equal. Nico would probably slot in as rookie 4 on average. You basically got someting on par with 1.4, 1.12 and a future mid 2025#1.
I hate to pile on but that's a really low return for a player the youth and caliber of Lamb.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Maybe 1.10-1.12, but it’s a bit of a stretch.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s my take as well, also, in addition to.
Ridgeback
Footballguy
You don't think Purdy and Elliot are worth a bigger bump from 2.3 than 1.10-1.12? I see Elliot as late 3rd, or early 4th.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
This time of the year, I'd rather have the pick over Zeke. Mid-season and I'm pushing for a championship? Maybe I take Zeke.
The issue with the trade was, I need a QB replacement and Zeke has minimal actual value. His valuation is strictly on - there is nobody else in this backfield and it is Zeke's job. He is 29 years old and a lot can happen. I'd rather have grabbed a better QB than Purdy and cut Zeke out entirely. Purdy has value but not in a trade where you're giving up CeeDee Lamb.
Nobody is faulting you for being happy with the trade, but I think everyone agrees a top QB is worth significantly less than Chase, Jefferson or Lamb. So, you'd still be getting those ancillary pieces in return; while addressing a need by includinga better QB. I'd limp along and plug and play QBs before looking to dump CeeDee Lamb. In fact, I'd tank the season before dumping Lamb.
Ezekiel Elliott's value is negligible because he may not play another year. So, yes... I'd rather have 3.11 and the 20 year old prospect associated with that player because I don't think Zeke has much relevance beyond this year or maybe beyond this summer? If Zeke has a down year, he retires on your roster. You could likely have a sell window on the player taken at 3.11 for another full year, maybe 2.
I'm not a fan of older players, especially in a marquee deal involving one of the best receivers in football. If you want my best player, you better come to me with some young promising talent. Heck, to start last year - you could have probably had all of these players in this trade + 2 firsts. Kudos to the other guy though, he cashed out on good years from Nico and Purdy and any amount of shine left on Zeke (think his value was in the 1400 on ktc.com last year).
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Zeke's value on there now is just over 2000. Incidently, they have me 'winning' the trade by about 5500, or a mid first round pick.
That being said, I use it as a tool to gage current value according to others, just like I use the opinions of others here when I post a trade.
That being said, I appreciate the dialog although we've probably beat this horse enough.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’ll usually take the “losing” side on these if that side is getting one player with value and giving 5.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not in that format, no. 12 team, Purdy is valuable, sure, but we’re talking Lamb. Cornerstone player.
Zeke has little value to me in Dynasty unless I already happened to have him. I see a year of RBBC, and he’s not without injury risk.
Like I said, the overall value isn’t terrible to me, it’s just not a deal I’d make as a Lamb shareholder.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
There are far cheaper ways to acquire a QB in a start 1 QB league and you certainly don’t need to do it in June.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Good sell of CMC - massive return. I’d sell him in a heartbeat for that if I rostered him. Especially in non-PPR. Wow.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Either I’m way too low on brown or this is basically two future firsts for one of the most valuable players in ff. It’s not bad I guess but not massive.
Ridgeback
Footballguy
Yep, I get it. Another aspect of this is that if Nico puts up 70% of what Lamb does, I'll consider it a good trade, assuming the first I received isn't a bust.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Yeah. KTC "adjusts" for that kind of thing ... But the adjustment is not enough. Not for my league settings anyway.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Man I don't see this as massive at all. I have a share of CMC and will ride him into the ground over a package like this, and I also have Brown in that same league (and 2 other shares elsewhere, so I'm certainly pulling for him.). 2 distant firsts, with the 2025 being likely late assuming CMC does what he does all year. Even 2026 could be late, with Team B's being early due to losing a player of this caliber. So that could effectively net a 2026 move up of a handful of spots and not a true '1st rounder.' I would want a lot more than this.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think it’s a rock solid cash-out for a 28 y/o RB with a spotty injury history and good injury luck the last couple years.
But of course like all things it’s team context dependent. If you’re a win-now, sure - ride him into the sunset.
But 2x 1sts & 2 young RB is a very solid return IMO. Mitchell has little value as it’s rumored that he may be a camp casualty.
I dunno, I guess I read the trade and channeled my inner Bill Walsh. Better a year early than a year late. Perhaps “massive” was an overstatement.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Agreed. It's not a monster haul, but if I'm rebuilding, I'd take this kind of deal all day long. 4 1sts over the next 2 years SHOULD put OP in a spot to compete in 2027 if the cards are played right.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
1 QB, 12 team PPR. short bench.
Gave: Schultz, 3.03
Received: J. McLaughlin
Gave: Schultz, 3.03
Received: J. McLaughlin
