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nowhy?
Only if McNabb doesn't succeed next year... I think they are setting him up to succeed (i.e super bowl run). If they don't make it or don't go far enough in the playoffs then they have the reason to say, "Hey we gave him the weapons and he didn't produce."If he produces then I don't see how they let him go.This all depends on if they actually get a wr!
Sorry that is just stupid. McNabb is one of the top 5 qbs in the league and one of the best the franchise seen. Not sure if you remember the end of the season but he played pretty damn well. Remember Culpepper & Palmer went through the same injury. Palmer still doesn't look the same, Culpepper is done. McNabb looked good at the end of the season.
I dont see the eagles offering the 1.19
The Twins had a uber stud pitcher named Johan Santana that they were going to lose at the end of this season due to his contract running out. They could not afford to pay him. The Twins put him on the block with only three serious suitors : Mets, Yanks and Red Sox. The Yanks and Sox both came at him hard but was rebuffed by the Twins saying it was not enough. Meanwhile, the Sox dropped out of the bidding. The Yankees, only realizing he won't be in the AL anymore, and not going to their hated rivals, did the same. Now the Mets put together a bargin bin offer and get Santana because Minny was greedy. No other takers were in the mix and the Mets stole him from the Twins for C level prospects.See how this story kinda parallels with the Eagles and Fitz?Sorry, I don't follow baseball. Explain?
The reason I asked this question was that a commitment to Moss would mean a commitment to a win-now approach, not just for 2008, but also likely for the year or two afterwards. OTOH, with McNabb possibly starting to show his age, I could see this year being his last in Philly, as they give Kolb a try in 2009. That was my thinking.
Oh...got ya. Well I think realistically McNabb needs to get Philly back in the playoffs and out of the wild card round, or he'll likely be elsewhere.The reason I asked this question was that a commitment to Moss would mean a commitment to a win-now approach, not just for 2008, but also likely for the year or two afterwards. OTOH, with McNabb possibly starting to show his age, I could see this year being his last in Philly, as they give Kolb a try in 2009. That was my thinking.
No. I really don't see any connection here.
I don't see why the Eagles don't offer more. We're talking about a true #1 stud WR that's what 25? If it gets the deal done send Lito, plus 2008 1st and 2nd round picks. It's not like the Eagles draft picks will contribute their rookie year, no rookie has really ever contributed in the Andrew Walter Reid dictatorship (spare me the then skinny Corey Simon).I think the problem is that the while we have rumors what the Eagles are offering, we have no idea what the Cardinals price tag is. What do the Cardinals want in return? Many Eagles fans see Lito and a 2nd as fair value, but that's just silly. Fitz is a game changer, Lito is a solid DB and a 2nd round pick is not a sure thing....hardly anywhere close to the value of a young top 3 in the NFL WR.Even if the Cardinals want Lito + a 2008 and 2009 1st rounders I'd still do the trade. With Fitz the Eagles pick would probably be low 20s or even in the 30s anyways. We may never get another shot at a player of Fitzgerald's caliber, might as well bite the bullet and pay the premium to get him.
If Fitz comes to Philly, McNabb probably lasts several more years.#5 has been the core of the offense since '99 and one of the only things that hasn't changed in Reid's tenure. They keep rebuilding around him. Should Fitz be acquired, they can't ditch McNabb and go with an unproven QB, at least I would not think that....Oh...got ya. Well I think realistically McNabb needs to get Philly back in the playoffs and out of the wild card round, or he'll likely be elsewhere.The reason I asked this question was that a commitment to Moss would mean a commitment to a win-now approach, not just for 2008, but also likely for the year or two afterwards. OTOH, with McNabb possibly starting to show his age, I could see this year being his last in Philly, as they give Kolb a try in 2009. That was my thinking.
I don't know, while it is true that they don't often play in year one, outside of Freddie M and McDougle, it is sort of tough to pick on the curent dictatorship for thier first round picks. From 1998 on (excluding the 2 aforementioned) - Tra Thomas(11), McNabb(2), Corey Simon(6), Lito Sheppard(26), Shawn Andrews(16), Mike Patterson(31), Bunkley(14) and Kolb (36).
i would have laughed hard if the Birds pulled Moss from NE. Oh well...maybe Fred Ex is still looking for work.
All I'm saying is if the Eagles want to win with this current core of players, it's now or never. If everything the Eagles have said this offseason "we're only a player or two away from a championship" is true, then get those players whatever the cost. WIN...NOW!!! Fitzgerald is a premium player, therefore we have to play premium price to acquire his services. He was the #3 overall pick in the 2004 draft. If he was in this draft, and the Eagles were going to trade up for him, it would cost at least Lito + the 1st rounders for the next 2 years and a 2008 2nd. Just get it done, win a championship then worry about the consequences later. Every now and then you've got to say "What the........". It gives you freedom.
Uh no player is worth a pro bowl corner, 2 1st round & 1 2nd round pick
Former pro bowl corner, mid to low 1st and mid to low 2nd for a player who has 2 100 catch seasons and is just 25? Uh, yeah, worth it and then some. Honestly...if it gets us a championship would the value matter?
Defense wins Championships. How many Bowls do Moss and Fitz have anyway?
The exact same amount as the Eagles. Is the defense the problem or the offense? If the defense is championship caliber, then get the offensive player that can put the Eagles over the top.
Or get rid of the one that throws crucial picks. Just sayin...
the problem with your statement is that you think the cardinals have some kind of leverage ... they really don't if fitzgerald is as unhappy as its being painted. that lowers the value you can get for someone. was a 4th for randy moss fair value as someone else pointed out? hell no. but sometimes, you bite the bullet and take what you can get.
I'm with you. I just can't see how any of this is going to be resolved much before the draft. At this point the major free agents are gone and teams are not in a hurry to trade players or draft picks. Like most, I'm sure the Eagles will trade Lito, but we will most likely be waiting until real close to the draft to find out for who/what.
for your three questions:- no, I wouldn't think the Eagles would expect salaries (and cap hits) of $14 and $17 million for the next two years. They might be willing to guarantee that much money, but not in the form of base salaries in years 1 & 2.- good question. They can't afford him and the rest of their team and needs as constructed? I don't know.- good question. I would think he would do it only to get what he thought was a better deal. With the situation being part of that, it might be able to be done. Or maybe not.
At this point Hackett does seem to be the WR we most likely get if we get one. It just pains me as a fan to see the Eagles get another WR2.
Dont worry about it. Hackett resigned with Seattle. He is not coming to Philly.
Good summation. When is D Day? (when the Cardinals either have to; have renegotiated his deal, cut him, or kept him at his current rate).Pat Patriot said:
I am one of the few Eagles fans that do not believe that we must have a top flight WR. Ofcourse I would love to have the guys mentioned but I will be happy if we get a BIG wr in the draft. I believe the Eagles biggest problem is that we have no redzone threat. I am hoping and praying we get a guy like James Hardy who has a big frame (6'6" - 220), 35+ career touch downs and who's biggest down side is that he doesnt have enough muscle mass (something that can easily be changed in the NFL).
Just as easily as Todd Pinkston did it?
You make good points, and with Walker off the market (knee issues aside), this may happen due to the value left on the board. I think the point you may be missing is that to the Eagles FO, what is more important than the 1.19 is committing long term big money to any player. The Eagles have commited big money to only one player and thats McNabb. No other player has gotten a huge deal (that was a contract designed to be completed). Most large eagles deals are a nice 12mil signing bonus with the contract lasting 3 of 6 years. The Eagles FO typically locks up young talent (like Lito, Andrews, etc) early for the right price. The Eagles simply dont have the track record of signing big time players like Fitz to real world 6 year deals.Cable said:
Well Stinkston was 3 inches shorter and about 40 lbs lighter. He didnt have any sort of frame. Hardy is a guy who has a frame similiar to T.O. but taller. So its not about adding weight, its about changing the pudge to muscle.
You’ve got to remember that Fitz holds all of the cards (no pun intended). Off the top of my head here are a few reasons Fitz would rather have the same deal with Philly rather than Arizona. 1)Even if the Cards offered a identical contract Fitz would still have a better chance of making more money in Philly because he would have more opportunities for marketing deals and recognition (i.e. pro bowls, awards) because Philly is a larger market. 2)He would be on a team that that is a legit Super Bowl contender. 3)Better QB situation. Just my $0.02Pat Patriot said:
With how the Eagles operate ... on the down low, my current feeling is Roy Williams. I was thinking FItz, made lots of sense. But if Phi says Fitz is not an option, they havnt lied about those things in the past. Det is in need of a corner. Im sure they could use a 2nd round pick also. Lito and 2nd for Roy seems very reasonable. Whats more reasonable is that it isnt being talked about ... that is the Phi FO style.renesauz said:
As long as we dont draft BMW
This simply isn't true. McNabb, Runyan, Kearse, & Samuel all contradict this point. They got those players because a) they were actually available b) the Eagles gave them more money than anyone else would c) they gave them the money because they were convinced they were true difference makers. I'd like a list of the players the Eagles have cut because of money issues in recent years. I'd venture it wouldn't be long because most of their deals run their course. They may have cut someone for performance issues but it is rare they cut someone because a ridiculous amount of money had been added at the back end of the deal.
How long was Kearse's contract? How long was he an Eagle? TOs contract was designed to be a 2year deal. Runyan I can pass your way. I cant say I have gone over the details of Samuel, so ill leave that until all the details have some out. That said, I feel my points still hold. The Eagles dont give out top 5 pick money, dont give out Berrian, Corey Simon, Champ Bailey, Ty Law, etc money. They dont make contacts like Synder does, they dont sign huge long deals.
Sorry but your points really don't hold. Funny you should bring up Kearse. The Eagles made him the highest paid defensive end in NFL HISTORY when they signed him. If he was still putting up double digit sacks do you really think he'd have been cut? Corey Simon? Are you serious? Samuel got $20 million guaranteed $57 million over 5 years. Feel free to look up where that ranks him financially amongst NFL corners. When Tra Thomas signed his extension, it made him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid tackle in football. They've also recently made significant albeit unsuccessful runs at KGB, LeCharles Bentley, and now Randy Moss. If you are down on them for not giving Berrian $16 mil in up-front money, or because they don't make Daniel Snyder type deals; I don't know what to tell you. I'm glad they don't.
It's not as though that was their one and only option to improve the offensive cast. 
It's not as though that was their one and only option to improve the offensive cast. 
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Maybe he had Gaffney on the mind 
