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** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (2 Viewers)

Is Darren Howard going to stay on the roster? I honestly can't see them keeping him, and apparently they're trying to increase cap space to make a move of some sort. What order are these priorities?

1. Restructuring West

2. Restructuring Cole

3. Bringing in a top flight WR
I think Howard's fate isn't set in stone one way or another. I believe the Birds don't want to dismiss his potential versatility; using him as a tackle in obvious passing downs. That said, I would think they assess how the roster looks in a few weeks and their draft board, and then consider asking Howard to re-do his deal or face the waiver wire.
 
dirtywaters20 said:
Dr. J said:
Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?
I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.
I completely agree here. I think the Eagles are trying to change the look of the defense and putting a HUGE, HUGE emphasis on speed. I could definitely see them mixing in Clemons a little at LB, maybe in the joker position Jim Johnson loves so much with Cole and Abiamiri on the end. I said a while ago that the team really likes Bradley, and this move definitely screams that. This does leave them with not too much depth, but Jordan should be the 4th and another LB will probably be drafted
Yepper. I also think we will see a few 3-4 looks next year. Clemons and Gocong are perfect OLB's in this look and it can provide pressure while limiting Cole's snaps. I've been thinking about this for a little while now & was waiting to see if they may add a wide body to play some snaps at nose during the mid-late portion of the draft.
 
Is Darren Howard going to stay on the roster? I honestly can't see them keeping him, and apparently they're trying to increase cap space to make a move of some sort. What order are these priorities?1. Restructuring West2. Restructuring Cole3. Bringing in a top flight WR
They just extended Cole. To me, it's bringing in another offensive playmaker.
 
dirtywaters20 said:
Dr. J said:
Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?
I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.
I completely agree here. I think the Eagles are trying to change the look of the defense and putting a HUGE, HUGE emphasis on speed. I could definitely see them mixing in Clemons a little at LB, maybe in the joker position Jim Johnson loves so much with Cole and Abiamiri on the end. I said a while ago that the team really likes Bradley, and this move definitely screams that. This does leave them with not too much depth, but Jordan should be the 4th and another LB will probably be drafted
Yepper. I also think we will see a few 3-4 looks next year. Clemons and Gocong are perfect OLB's in this look and it can provide pressure while limiting Cole's snaps. I've been thinking about this for a little while now & was waiting to see if they may add a wide body to play some snaps at nose during the mid-late portion of the draft.
Interesting theory but Jim Johnson has eschewed the 3-4 for a long, long time. We use a lot more nickel and dime than most teams, and our LB corps aren't the playmakers of the bunch. Doesn't make much sense to me; but I'm open to it if he breaks the mold.
 
dirtywaters20 said:
Dr. J said:
Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?
I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.
I completely agree here. I think the Eagles are trying to change the look of the defense and putting a HUGE, HUGE emphasis on speed. I could definitely see them mixing in Clemons a little at LB, maybe in the joker position Jim Johnson loves so much with Cole and Abiamiri on the end. I said a while ago that the team really likes Bradley, and this move definitely screams that. This does leave them with not too much depth, but Jordan should be the 4th and another LB will probably be drafted
Yepper. I also think we will see a few 3-4 looks next year. Clemons and Gocong are perfect OLB's in this look and it can provide pressure while limiting Cole's snaps. I've been thinking about this for a little while now & was waiting to see if they may add a wide body to play some snaps at nose during the mid-late portion of the draft.
Interesting theory but Jim Johnson has eschewed the 3-4 for a long, long time. We use a lot more nickel and dime than most teams, and our LB corps aren't the playmakers of the bunch. Doesn't make much sense to me; but I'm open to it if he breaks the mold.
I dont see the birds using a 3-4, they just dont have the beef up front. I do however see them using Clemons and Gocong off the edge. I really think the Eagles have gotten away from the Fire Blitz Zones over the past year simply because of all of the injuries to their secondary. I bet we see the return of a very chaotic blitz package this season.
 
dirtywaters20 said:
Dr. J said:
Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?
I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.
I completely agree here. I think the Eagles are trying to change the look of the defense and putting a HUGE, HUGE emphasis on speed. I could definitely see them mixing in Clemons a little at LB, maybe in the joker position Jim Johnson loves so much with Cole and Abiamiri on the end. I said a while ago that the team really likes Bradley, and this move definitely screams that. This does leave them with not too much depth, but Jordan should be the 4th and another LB will probably be drafted
Yepper. I also think we will see a few 3-4 looks next year. Clemons and Gocong are perfect OLB's in this look and it can provide pressure while limiting Cole's snaps. I've been thinking about this for a little while now & was waiting to see if they may add a wide body to play some snaps at nose during the mid-late portion of the draft.
Interesting theory but Jim Johnson has eschewed the 3-4 for a long, long time. We use a lot more nickel and dime than most teams, and our LB corps aren't the playmakers of the bunch. Doesn't make much sense to me; but I'm open to it if he breaks the mold.
I dont see the birds using a 3-4, they just dont have the beef up front. I do however see them using Clemons and Gocong off the edge. I really think the Eagles have gotten away from the Fire Blitz Zones over the past year simply because of all of the injuries to their secondary. I bet we see the return of a very chaotic blitz package this season.
I don't think Jim will consider going to a 3-4 at all, but especially with Asante now, getting pressure on the QB is key. The team needs turnovers, which plagued them all last year. The blitzes are gonna be fun to watch, and I think that they're just molding the defense to confuse other teams from all different spots of the field.
 
CYP said:
Dr. J said:
CYP said:
Dr. J said:
Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...

If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?
If true Omar Gaither can fill in there Im sure
He can't play 2 positions at one time, unfortunately. One thing Gargano said was they tried to get him to restructure to make room for AS and he wouldn't go for it. Maybe they're making room for another move? Roy Williams?
Stewart Bradley is the middle linebacker this year not Omar. Why dont I hear Gargano on the radio? Its Ike Reese and some other idiot. Did Gargano call in? Why arent these two guys talking about it at all?
:confused: I really, really like this kid - he has good potential and got some playing time last year.

 
From Dave Spadaro on Eagles.com:

"Releasing Spikes is part of the business, the toughest part of all. He is a good man who treated everyone well in his brief time here. But the Eagles are a busy team right now, moving bodies to and fro, hoping to set up a roster that is the very best it can be. I don't think there is anything about this move that suggests another move is coming. This is not one that sets up another domino, for example. The Eagles have their plan and they are sticking to it."

For the most part I like Spuds, but I think this seems ridiculous. Why clear up the $5 mil in cap space now, at this moment, after free agency has started? I don't think the team was cutting Spikes just for the sake of letting him go. To me, this is MORE of an indication that another move is coming.

 
dirtywaters20 said:
Dr. J said:
Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?
I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.
I completely agree here. I think the Eagles are trying to change the look of the defense and putting a HUGE, HUGE emphasis on speed. I could definitely see them mixing in Clemons a little at LB, maybe in the joker position Jim Johnson loves so much with Cole and Abiamiri on the end. I said a while ago that the team really likes Bradley, and this move definitely screams that. This does leave them with not too much depth, but Jordan should be the 4th and another LB will probably be drafted
Yepper. I also think we will see a few 3-4 looks next year. Clemons and Gocong are perfect OLB's in this look and it can provide pressure while limiting Cole's snaps. I've been thinking about this for a little while now & was waiting to see if they may add a wide body to play some snaps at nose during the mid-late portion of the draft.
Interesting theory but Jim Johnson has eschewed the 3-4 for a long, long time. We use a lot more nickel and dime than most teams, and our LB corps aren't the playmakers of the bunch. Doesn't make much sense to me; but I'm open to it if he breaks the mold.
I dont see the birds using a 3-4, they just dont have the beef up front. I do however see them using Clemons and Gocong off the edge. I really think the Eagles have gotten away from the Fire Blitz Zones over the past year simply because of all of the injuries to their secondary. I bet we see the return of a very chaotic blitz package this season.
I don't think Jim will consider going to a 3-4 at all, but especially with Asante now, getting pressure on the QB is key. The team needs turnovers, which plagued them all last year. The blitzes are gonna be fun to watch, and I think that they're just molding the defense to confuse other teams from all different spots of the field.
As a base? Hell No. But I definetly think we will see some more 3-4 looks this year. They already ran it some last year against New England.
 
This definitely shows how much they like Stewart bradley. He was immediately making plays when he got his chance.

 
From Dave Spadaro on Eagles.com:"Releasing Spikes is part of the business, the toughest part of all. He is a good man who treated everyone well in his brief time here. But the Eagles are a busy team right now, moving bodies to and fro, hoping to set up a roster that is the very best it can be. I don't think there is anything about this move that suggests another move is coming. This is not one that sets up another domino, for example. The Eagles have their plan and they are sticking to it."For the most part I like Spuds, but I think this seems ridiculous. Why clear up the $5 mil in cap space now, at this moment, after free agency has started? I don't think the team was cutting Spikes just for the sake of letting him go. To me, this is MORE of an indication that another move is coming.
Spuds is more tolerable when you just envision him as One Novacare Way's version of Baghdad Bob. He is merely trying to quell any possible excitement in the event they are unsuccessful in upgrading the WR position.
 
From Dave Spadaro on Eagles.com:"Releasing Spikes is part of the business, the toughest part of all. He is a good man who treated everyone well in his brief time here. But the Eagles are a busy team right now, moving bodies to and fro, hoping to set up a roster that is the very best it can be. I don't think there is anything about this move that suggests another move is coming. This is not one that sets up another domino, for example. The Eagles have their plan and they are sticking to it."For the most part I like Spuds, but I think this seems ridiculous. Why clear up the $5 mil in cap space now, at this moment, after free agency has started? I don't think the team was cutting Spikes just for the sake of letting him go. To me, this is MORE of an indication that another move is coming.
Spuds is more tolerable when you just envision him as One Novacare Way's version of Baghdad Bob. He is merely trying to quell any possible excitement in the event they are unsuccessful in upgrading the WR position.
:blackdot:
 
From Dave Spadaro on Eagles.com:"Releasing Spikes is part of the business, the toughest part of all. He is a good man who treated everyone well in his brief time here. But the Eagles are a busy team right now, moving bodies to and fro, hoping to set up a roster that is the very best it can be. I don't think there is anything about this move that suggests another move is coming. This is not one that sets up another domino, for example. The Eagles have their plan and they are sticking to it."For the most part I like Spuds, but I think this seems ridiculous. Why clear up the $5 mil in cap space now, at this moment, after free agency has started? I don't think the team was cutting Spikes just for the sake of letting him go. To me, this is MORE of an indication that another move is coming.
I wouldn't read too much into it. The team had likely decided Spikes wasn't in their plans, and granted him an early release so he could latch on to another team while free agency was still in the frenzied period.
 
Just got off the phone. It was simply a cut for salary cap reasons. They tried to trade him for anything they could get up through last night without sucess.

Sorry guys.....

*edit* They did try to keep him and renegoiate his contract, but it was not to be. I think the deal was only one year at 2 million bucks.

 
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From Dave Spadaro on Eagles.com:

"Releasing Spikes is part of the business, the toughest part of all. He is a good man who treated everyone well in his brief time here. But the Eagles are a busy team right now, moving bodies to and fro, hoping to set up a roster that is the very best it can be. I don't think there is anything about this move that suggests another move is coming. This is not one that sets up another domino, for example. The Eagles have their plan and they are sticking to it."

For the most part I like Spuds, but I think this seems ridiculous. Why clear up the $5 mil in cap space now, at this moment, after free agency has started? I don't think the team was cutting Spikes just for the sake of letting him go. To me, this is MORE of an indication that another move is coming.
I wouldn't read too much into it. The team had likely decided Spikes wasn't in their plans, and granted him an early release so he could latch on to another team while free agency was still in the frenzied period.
:fishing: Kill Joy
 
From Dave Spadaro on Eagles.com:

"Releasing Spikes is part of the business, the toughest part of all. He is a good man who treated everyone well in his brief time here. But the Eagles are a busy team right now, moving bodies to and fro, hoping to set up a roster that is the very best it can be. I don't think there is anything about this move that suggests another move is coming. This is not one that sets up another domino, for example. The Eagles have their plan and they are sticking to it."

For the most part I like Spuds, but I think this seems ridiculous. Why clear up the $5 mil in cap space now, at this moment, after free agency has started? I don't think the team was cutting Spikes just for the sake of letting him go. To me, this is MORE of an indication that another move is coming.
I wouldn't read too much into it. The team had likely decided Spikes wasn't in their plans, and granted him an early release so he could latch on to another team while free agency was still in the frenzied period.
:popcorn: Kill Joy
:lmao: I hope there are big moves coming as much as you do! :) But seriously, the TIMING of Spikes' release isn't something to get too worked up about. We have all the cap space we would need to sign any WR we might be trying to acquire without releasing him.

 
The cards should probably go with the trade.

They would get

A. Cheap contract with Lito, who is a 2 time probowler

B. 19th pick

C. Still have Boldin

D. Able to afford to pay their 1st pick
I dont see the eagles offering the 1.19
Thats if they offered. Even if it is a 2nd pick I don't know why the cards wouldn't go for it. It would give the cards what? 3 picks in the first 2 rounds?
I don't see why the Eagles don't offer more. We're talking about a true #1 stud WR that's what 25? If it gets the deal done send Lito, plus 2008 1st and 2nd round picks. It's not like the Eagles draft picks will contribute their rookie year, no rookie has really ever contributed in the Andrew Walter Reid dictatorship (spare me the then skinny Corey Simon).I think the problem is that the while we have rumors what the Eagles are offering, we have no idea what the Cardinals price tag is. What do the Cardinals want in return? Many Eagles fans see Lito and a 2nd as fair value, but that's just silly. Fitz is a game changer, Lito is a solid DB and a 2nd round pick is not a sure thing....hardly anywhere close to the value of a young top 3 in the NFL WR.

Even if the Cardinals want Lito + a 2008 and 2009 1st rounders I'd still do the trade. With Fitz the Eagles pick would probably be low 20s or even in the 30s anyways. We may never get another shot at a player of Fitzgerald's caliber, might as well bite the bullet and pay the premium to get him.
You make good points, and with Walker off the market (knee issues aside), this may happen due to the value left on the board. I think the point you may be missing is that to the Eagles FO, what is more important than the 1.19 is committing long term big money to any player. The Eagles have commited big money to only one player and thats McNabb. No other player has gotten a huge deal (that was a contract designed to be completed). Most large eagles deals are a nice 12mil signing bonus with the contract lasting 3 of 6 years. The Eagles FO typically locks up young talent (like Lito, Andrews, etc) early for the right price. The Eagles simply dont have the track record of signing big time players like Fitz to real world 6 year deals.
This simply isn't true. McNabb, Runyan, Kearse, & Samuel all contradict this point. They got those players because a) they were actually available b) the Eagles gave them more money than anyone else would c) they gave them the money because they were convinced they were true difference makers. I'd like a list of the players the Eagles have cut because of money issues in recent years. I'd venture it wouldn't be long because most of their deals run their course. They may have cut someone for performance issues but it is rare they cut someone because a ridiculous amount of money had been added at the back end of the deal.
How long was Kearse's contract? How long was he an Eagle? TOs contract was designed to be a 2year deal. Runyan I can pass your way. I cant say I have gone over the details of Samuel, so ill leave that until all the details have some out. That said, I feel my points still hold. The Eagles dont give out top 5 pick money, dont give out Berrian, Corey Simon, Champ Bailey, Ty Law, etc money. They dont make contacts like Synder does, they dont sign huge long deals.
Sorry but your points really don't hold. Funny you should bring up Kearse. The Eagles made him the highest paid defensive end in NFL HISTORY when they signed him. If he was still putting up double digit sacks do you really think he'd have been cut? Corey Simon? Are you serious? Samuel got $20 million guaranteed $57 million over 5 years. Feel free to look up where that ranks him financially amongst NFL corners. When Tra Thomas signed his extension, it made him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid tackle in football. They've also recently made significant albeit unsuccessful runs at KGB, LeCharles Bentley, and now Randy Moss. If you are down on them for not giving Berrian $16 mil in up-front money, or because they don't make Daniel Snyder type deals; I don't know what to tell you. I'm glad they don't.
I think youve missed my point. If you continue to talk about contracts like that when they are signed, they are in stone, we cannot have a productive conversation. Fact of the matter is NFL (let alone Phi) contracts arent even 'contracts'. As discussed on this board time and time again, they are 1-year renewable options. They are not contracts, they are not required to be honored, and in most cases, specifically the Eagles, they are designed to give a ~12million signing bonus over 3 years with roster bonuses back loaded that more than likely wont be met as the player will be cut. Why do you think talking heads just this year are starting to qualify contracts as 'likely to be met'. Its because the majority of the contracts in the NFL are never completed. Why people continue to talk about the richest NFL contracts ever for XYZ position, ill never know.
I didn't miss it, I refuted it. If you want to change your argument about the merits of calling deals agreements between all NFL teams & players "contracts", go ahead. I'm not interested in that tired debate. I'm still waiting for that list of Eagles players that have been cut because of back-loaded deals. The bottom line is that every team knows & operates under the current system and the Eagles have managed to land their share of front-line free agent players despite the prevailing (and incorrect) notion that they are tight-fisted.
Are you serious? You need a list of Eagles players cut due to backloaded deals?
 
Interesting theory but Jim Johnson has eschewed the 3-4 for a long, long time. We use a lot more nickel and dime than most teams, and our LB corps aren't the playmakers of the bunch. Doesn't make much sense to me; but I'm open to it if he breaks the mold.
Wow Woodrow, haven't heard that word since a Bryant Gumbel telecast. :rant:
 
Fitz update!

It looks like the Eagles have thrown Reggie Brown into the mix to try to help the stalemate they are currently in. My guy BELIEVES (not positive) that the current deal on the table is Lito, Brown and their 2nd rounder.

 
FWIW, I always thought Brown would be involved because the Cards would only have Boldin and his contract gripes at WR with Fitz and Johnson leaving.

 
FWIW, I always thought Brown would be involved because the Cards would only have Boldin and his contract gripes at WR with Fitz and Johnson leaving.
I think Avant has the potential to be a pretty good number three WR in that system.
:goodposting:Avant doesn't have deep speed, but he really improved his route running last year and has great hands.
Agreed, I trust Avant to make the big catch more then I would Brown.
 
FWIW, I always thought Brown would be involved because the Cards would only have Boldin and his contract gripes at WR with Fitz and Johnson leaving.
I think Avant has the potential to be a pretty good number three WR in that system.
:goodposting:Avant doesn't have deep speed, but he really improved his route running last year and has great hands.
I was really impressed with him at Michigan. The only thing he lacked was blazing speed, whick killed him in the draft. All the other intangibles were there though.
 
Hermit's on the money....

They are going to face the prospect of trading Fitzgerald or losing him a year from now, when they might have to cut him rather than pay his 2009 salary of $17.4 million.

So far, both sides are saying all the right things. The Cardinals insist Fitzgerald will play for them in 2008, even at a salary of $14.6 million. Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker, said team officials have reassured him that Fitzgerald is going nowhere, even if a new deal isn't reached.

That hasn't prevented other teams from trying to trade for him. The Eagles have talked to the Cardinals about acquiring Fitzgerald, with cornerback Lito Sheppard and receiver Reggie Brown rumored to be part of the offer.

The Cardinals have little interest in either player, and they are not eager to part with Fitzgerald, who made two Pro Bowls in his first four seasons.

Sheppard also has been to the Pro Bowl twice, but there are questions about his durability and he's unhappy with his contract. The Cardinals aren't eager to trade for someone else's problem.

It's hard to tell what would pique the Cardinals' interest at this point. Their primary desire is to keep Fitzgerald for several more years, even though that would cost them dearly.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...7cards0307.htmlOf course the reporter could just be repeating wht the team wants him to say....

 
Change that 2nd into a third or fourth and I like it. Seems just a little too expensive too me, probably because I think most are giving up too quickly on Brown.

 
Fitz update!It looks like the Eagles have thrown Reggie Brown into the mix to try to help the stalemate they are currently in. My guy BELIEVES (not positive) that the current deal on the table is Lito, Brown and their 2nd rounder.
Lets get the mojo working ! I love this deal
I like this as well, but don't we take a pretty big cap hit by moving Reggie now?
Yeah, but they just freed up 5mil by cutting Spikes.
 
Im not a fan of letting Reggie go. No, I dont think Reggie is a stud but he is the best WR Phi has drafted in like what ... 20 years? /sarcasam

Seriously though, hes a great WR2/3 with decent contract and lots of years ahead of him. Why keep players like Lewis, Pinkston, Mitchell, Thrash, etc and then look to deal Brown.

 
Im not a fan of letting Reggie go. No, I dont think Reggie is a stud but he is the best WR Phi has drafted in like what ... 20 years? /sarcasamSeriously though, hes a great WR2/3 with decent contract and lots of years ahead of him. Why keep players like Lewis, Pinkston, Mitchell, Thrash, etc and then look to deal Brown.
Because nobody else wanted those players so they add no value to a trade. Gotta give to get.
 
Im not a fan of letting Reggie go. No, I dont think Reggie is a stud but he is the best WR Phi has drafted in like what ... 20 years? /sarcasamSeriously though, hes a great WR2/3 with decent contract and lots of years ahead of him. Why keep players like Lewis, Pinkston, Mitchell, Thrash, etc and then look to deal Brown.
Yeah, but if they're getting a stud like Fitz in return, you have to do it. I know the Eagles like him and would like to keep him, but sometimes you got to do certain things you'd rather not do to get something you want.
 
Im not a fan of letting Reggie go. No, I dont think Reggie is a stud but he is the best WR Phi has drafted in like what ... 20 years? /sarcasamSeriously though, hes a great WR2/3 with decent contract and lots of years ahead of him. Why keep players like Lewis, Pinkston, Mitchell, Thrash, etc and then look to deal Brown.
Yeah, but if they're getting a stud like Fitz in return, you have to do it. I know the Eagles like him and would like to keep him, but sometimes you got to do certain things you'd rather not do to get something you want.
Still waiting, waiting, waiting. I think I will be waiting a long time.
 
WR 1 = Fitzy

WR 2 = Curtis

WR 3 = Does it really matter if its Brown or Avant????

Pull the trigger!!!! I'd move Brown in a minute.

 
Wouldn't the Eagles get an instant $8 million cap hit due to the acceleration of Reggie Brown's bonus IF he's traded?

I don't think that's happening...

If anything it will be for Lito and draft picks, or maybe JUST draft picks?

 
Wouldn't the Eagles get an instant $8 million cap hit due to the acceleration of Reggie Brown's bonus IF he's traded?I don't think that's happening...If anything it will be for Lito and draft picks, or maybe JUST draft picks?
They're not cutting Brown, they'd be trading him. I don't believe anything accelerates against a team that trades a player - but I'm not 100% sure of that.As for the deal - whatever - get Fitz. If you can get Fitz and give up Lito and a 2nd, I'm in love with that. If it costs Reggie Brown too, I could live with it and Avant as a 3rd WR. As long as there was a green #11 starting in September I'd be happy.
 
Wouldn't the Eagles get an instant $8 million cap hit due to the acceleration of Reggie Brown's bonus IF he's traded?I don't think that's happening...If anything it will be for Lito and draft picks, or maybe JUST draft picks?
They're not cutting Brown, they'd be trading him. I don't believe anything accelerates against a team that trades a player - but I'm not 100% sure of that.As for the deal - whatever - get Fitz. If you can get Fitz and give up Lito and a 2nd, I'm in love with that. If it costs Reggie Brown too, I could live with it and Avant as a 3rd WR. As long as there was a green #11 starting in September I'd be happy.
Roy Williams wears 11 too
 
Wouldn't the Eagles get an instant $8 million cap hit due to the acceleration of Reggie Brown's bonus IF he's traded?I don't think that's happening...If anything it will be for Lito and draft picks, or maybe JUST draft picks?
They're not cutting Brown, they'd be trading him. I don't believe anything accelerates against a team that trades a player - but I'm not 100% sure of that.As for the deal - whatever - get Fitz. If you can get Fitz and give up Lito and a 2nd, I'm in love with that. If it costs Reggie Brown too, I could live with it and Avant as a 3rd WR. As long as there was a green #11 starting in September I'd be happy.
I'm no capologist either, but salary cap ramifications are reasons why trades aren't more common in today's NFL. The guaranteed money has to be accounted for. If a player is cut or traded the guaranteed money already paid out has to be accounted for. Hence, in Noevember 2006 Reggie Brown signed a 5 year extension with a $10 million signing bonus. I believe that was past the cut-off for monies counting toward the 2006 cap, so Reggie's first year of pro-rated signing bonus against the cap was 2007 equating to approximately $2 million.Thus if the Eagles were to trade him, they'd be on the hook for $8 million. And if they're trading him to Arizona for Fitz, they'd be $8 million PLUS whatever contract they'd have to work out for Fitz PLUS whatever leftover signing bonus there was for Lito...I believe about $2 million.So, the Eagles would have $10 million in dead money plus a player who wants a 4 year contract with $25-30 million guaranteed. Sorry...sain't happenin (although I'd LOVE it if the Eagles somehow got Fitz) with Reggie Brown. If somehow Arizona comes to their senses and trades Fitz, it will probably be for Lito and picks. I'm not holding my breath though.
 
Wouldn't the Eagles get an instant $8 million cap hit due to the acceleration of Reggie Brown's bonus IF he's traded?I don't think that's happening...If anything it will be for Lito and draft picks, or maybe JUST draft picks?
They're not cutting Brown, they'd be trading him. I don't believe anything accelerates against a team that trades a player - but I'm not 100% sure of that.As for the deal - whatever - get Fitz. If you can get Fitz and give up Lito and a 2nd, I'm in love with that. If it costs Reggie Brown too, I could live with it and Avant as a 3rd WR. As long as there was a green #11 starting in September I'd be happy.
Roy Williams wears 11 too
So did Jeremy Bloom...
 
Jaws reported on SR950 in Philly, that the Moss deal is not signed yet because the Pats want to resituate the money. He said that this has the Moss camp looking back at the Eagles deal and possibly rethinking their decision.

 
Further to what Cable said there is no way Brown is getting traded, they would be on the hook for $9.9M just for him alone. 8.12M in remaining bonus plus 2.34M in bonus that is all ready counting against this years cap minus 550k in base salary. You can't have 10M in cap space taken up for someone not even on your team.

Lito would leave $2.35M in dead space if traded.

 

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