** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Hackett resigned with Seattle.

Been to the future have you?

Duckett <> Hackett

 

[dirtywaters20]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

 

[Jason Wood]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

 

[dirtywaters20]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

 

[LILB811]

More from GCobb.com:

A source close to the situation, the same person that broke the Asante Samuel signing to OTR and GCobb.com, has confirmed that the Eagles will seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson in a trade. The source told us to expect the Eagles to bring in a big name wide receiver this offseason. Asante Samuel was number one on the list and a big name receiver was a close number two. The Eagles are currently sitting tight awaiting to hear about the Larry Fitzgerald negotiations, but they will also seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson if the Fitzgerald deal seems unlikely.

 

[Jason Wood]

More from GCobb.com:A source close to the situation, the same person that broke the Asante Samuel signing to OTR and GCobb.com, has confirmed that the Eagles will seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson in a trade. The source told us to expect the Eagles to bring in a big name wide receiver this offseason. Asante Samuel was number one on the list and a big name receiver was a close number two. The Eagles are currently sitting tight awaiting to hear about the Larry Fitzgerald negotiations, but they will also seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson if the Fitzgerald deal seems unlikely.

The Bengals have said CJ isn't up for grabs about 1000 times now. THAT SAID, if the Birds somehow landed Ocho Cinco I would be giddy!

 

[JAA]

The cards should probably go with the trade.

They would get

A. Cheap contract with Lito, who is a 2 time probowler

B. 19th pick

C. Still have Boldin

D. Able to afford to pay their 1st pick

I dont see the eagles offering the 1.19

Thats if they offered. Even if it is a 2nd pick I don't know why the cards wouldn't go for it. It would give the cards what? 3 picks in the first 2 rounds?

I don't see why the Eagles don't offer more. We're talking about a true #1 stud WR that's what 25? If it gets the deal done send Lito, plus 2008 1st and 2nd round picks. It's not like the Eagles draft picks will contribute their rookie year, no rookie has really ever contributed in the Andrew Walter Reid dictatorship (spare me the then skinny Corey Simon).I think the problem is that the while we have rumors what the Eagles are offering, we have no idea what the Cardinals price tag is. What do the Cardinals want in return? Many Eagles fans see Lito and a 2nd as fair value, but that's just silly. Fitz is a game changer, Lito is a solid DB and a 2nd round pick is not a sure thing....hardly anywhere close to the value of a young top 3 in the NFL WR.

Even if the Cardinals want Lito + a 2008 and 2009 1st rounders I'd still do the trade. With Fitz the Eagles pick would probably be low 20s or even in the 30s anyways. We may never get another shot at a player of Fitzgerald's caliber, might as well bite the bullet and pay the premium to get him.

You make good points, and with Walker off the market (knee issues aside), this may happen due to the value left on the board. I think the point you may be missing is that to the Eagles FO, what is more important than the 1.19 is committing long term big money to any player. The Eagles have commited big money to only one player and thats McNabb. No other player has gotten a huge deal (that was a contract designed to be completed). Most large eagles deals are a nice 12mil signing bonus with the contract lasting 3 of 6 years. The Eagles FO typically locks up young talent (like Lito, Andrews, etc) early for the right price. The Eagles simply dont have the track record of signing big time players like Fitz to real world 6 year deals.

This simply isn't true. McNabb, Runyan, Kearse, & Samuel all contradict this point. They got those players because a) they were actually available b) the Eagles gave them more money than anyone else would c) they gave them the money because they were convinced they were true difference makers. I'd like a list of the players the Eagles have cut because of money issues in recent years. I'd venture it wouldn't be long because most of their deals run their course. They may have cut someone for performance issues but it is rare they cut someone because a ridiculous amount of money had been added at the back end of the deal.

How long was Kearse's contract? How long was he an Eagle? TOs contract was designed to be a 2year deal. Runyan I can pass your way. I cant say I have gone over the details of Samuel, so ill leave that until all the details have some out. That said, I feel my points still hold. The Eagles dont give out top 5 pick money, dont give out Berrian, Corey Simon, Champ Bailey, Ty Law, etc money. They dont make contacts like Synder does, they dont sign huge long deals.

Sorry but your points really don't hold. Funny you should bring up Kearse. The Eagles made him the highest paid defensive end in NFL HISTORY when they signed him. If he was still putting up double digit sacks do you really think he'd have been cut? Corey Simon? Are you serious? Samuel got $20 million guaranteed $57 million over 5 years. Feel free to look up where that ranks him financially amongst NFL corners. When Tra Thomas signed his extension, it made him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid tackle in football. They've also recently made significant albeit unsuccessful runs at KGB, LeCharles Bentley, and now Randy Moss. If you are down on them for not giving Berrian $16 mil in up-front money, or because they don't make Daniel Snyder type deals; I don't know what to tell you. I'm glad they don't.

I think youve missed my point. If you continue to talk about contracts like that when they are signed, they are in stone, we cannot have a productive conversation. Fact of the matter is NFL (let alone Phi) contracts arent even 'contracts'. As discussed on this board time and time again, they are 1-year renewable options. They are not contracts, they are not required to be honored, and in most cases, specifically the Eagles, they are designed to give a ~12million signing bonus over 3 years with roster bonuses back loaded that more than likely wont be met as the player will be cut. Why do you think talking heads just this year are starting to qualify contracts as 'likely to be met'. Its because the majority of the contracts in the NFL are never completed. Why people continue to talk about the richest NFL contracts ever for XYZ position, ill never know.

 

[JAA]

More from GCobb.com:A source close to the situation, the same person that broke the Asante Samuel signing to OTR and GCobb.com, has confirmed that the Eagles will seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson in a trade. The source told us to expect the Eagles to bring in a big name wide receiver this offseason. Asante Samuel was number one on the list and a big name receiver was a close number two. The Eagles are currently sitting tight awaiting to hear about the Larry Fitzgerald negotiations, but they will also seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson if the Fitzgerald deal seems unlikely.

Good to hear. I doubt CJ leaves Cinci and his college buddy TJ. Im in the RW camp currently. I think it will be a good deal no matter the cost. RW is a playmaker and would make this team much better.

 

[Cable]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

 

[JAA]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

WR and RB draft picks. Yes, we got what I call "lucky" with Westy. The other 12 or so either didnt make the squad, or once we cut them they arent on any squad. That said, same with the WRs, other than Thrash who we didnt draft IIRC.Its not like the Eagles are over the cap, close to the cap, in hardship. Phi is one of the most profitable franchises. Its because of how we handle the cap. I want this to continue, but I would rather see a few gambles than the current WR core.

 

[Jason Wood]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

WR and RB draft picks. Yes, we got what I call "lucky" with Westy. The other 12 or so either didnt make the squad, or once we cut them they arent on any squad. That said, same with the WRs, other than Thrash who we didnt draft IIRC.Its not like the Eagles are over the cap, close to the cap, in hardship. Phi is one of the most profitable franchises. Its because of how we handle the cap. I want this to continue, but I would rather see a few gambles than the current WR core.

Be careful not to mistake revenues for profits. The Eagles have been among the top-5 revenue producing teams since the Linc was opened, but Lurie has a big debt burden to finance; we're more in the middle of the road in terms of profits.

 

[JAA]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

WR and RB draft picks. Yes, we got what I call "lucky" with Westy. The other 12 or so either didnt make the squad, or once we cut them they arent on any squad. That said, same with the WRs, other than Thrash who we didnt draft IIRC.Its not like the Eagles are over the cap, close to the cap, in hardship. Phi is one of the most profitable franchises. Its because of how we handle the cap. I want this to continue, but I would rather see a few gambles than the current WR core.

Be careful not to mistake revenues for profits. The Eagles have been among the top-5 revenue producing teams since the Linc was opened, but Lurie has a big debt burden to finance; we're more in the middle of the road in terms of profits.

top 5 in most valueable franchises

 

[dirtywaters20]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

I didn't forget, I'm not old enough to remember Tose. If making a big trade is so easy, I'm sure you'll be able to rattle off a list of recent ones no problem. BTW Freeman was a great slot receiver when he was here.

 

[Jason Wood]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.

Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

WR and RB draft picks. Yes, we got what I call "lucky" with Westy. The other 12 or so either didnt make the squad, or once we cut them they arent on any squad. That said, same with the WRs, other than Thrash who we didnt draft IIRC.Its not like the Eagles are over the cap, close to the cap, in hardship. Phi is one of the most profitable franchises. Its because of how we handle the cap. I want this to continue, but I would rather see a few gambles than the current WR core.

Be careful not to mistake revenues for profits. The Eagles have been among the top-5 revenue producing teams since the Linc was opened, but Lurie has a big debt burden to finance; we're more in the middle of the road in terms of profits.

top 5 in most valueable franchises

We're #5 in Forbes reasonably convoluted "value" rankings, but 10th in operating income [a better measure IMHO].

 

[JAA]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.

Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

WR and RB draft picks. Yes, we got what I call "lucky" with Westy. The other 12 or so either didnt make the squad, or once we cut them they arent on any squad. That said, same with the WRs, other than Thrash who we didnt draft IIRC.Its not like the Eagles are over the cap, close to the cap, in hardship. Phi is one of the most profitable franchises. Its because of how we handle the cap. I want this to continue, but I would rather see a few gambles than the current WR core.

Be careful not to mistake revenues for profits. The Eagles have been among the top-5 revenue producing teams since the Linc was opened, but Lurie has a big debt burden to finance; we're more in the middle of the road in terms of profits.

top 5 in most valueable franchises

We're #5 in Forbes reasonably convoluted "value" rankings, but 10th in operating income [a better measure IMHO].

fair enoughWe are a very wealthy franchise that is top 5 worth with top 1/3 operating income

Phi =

 

[zadok]

Probably complete bs BUT...

EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!!! submitted by JB82476

2 hours ago | 32 comments | Email to a Friend An ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAG...WILLIAMS/181560

 

[Jason Wood]

Probably complete bs BUT...

EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!!! submitted by JB82476

2 hours ago | 32 comments | Email to a Friend An ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAG...WILLIAMS/181560

Yardbarker is like the National Enquirer for sports fans. Lots of juicy gossip; a fraction of it accurate.Hopefully this is part of the small fraction.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Probably complete bs BUT...

EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!!! submitted by JB82476

2 hours ago | 32 comments | Email to a Friend An ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAG...WILLIAMS/181560

IF and thats a big IF, this story is true I will be doing a back flip in my office. To get RW and still have our first is just a monster deal if you ask me.Lets all send the get RW vibe out there.

 

[dirtywaters20]

The cards should probably go with the trade.

They would get

A. Cheap contract with Lito, who is a 2 time probowler

B. 19th pick

C. Still have Boldin

D. Able to afford to pay their 1st pick

I dont see the eagles offering the 1.19

Thats if they offered. Even if it is a 2nd pick I don't know why the cards wouldn't go for it. It would give the cards what? 3 picks in the first 2 rounds?

I don't see why the Eagles don't offer more. We're talking about a true #1 stud WR that's what 25? If it gets the deal done send Lito, plus 2008 1st and 2nd round picks. It's not like the Eagles draft picks will contribute their rookie year, no rookie has really ever contributed in the Andrew Walter Reid dictatorship (spare me the then skinny Corey Simon).I think the problem is that the while we have rumors what the Eagles are offering, we have no idea what the Cardinals price tag is. What do the Cardinals want in return? Many Eagles fans see Lito and a 2nd as fair value, but that's just silly. Fitz is a game changer, Lito is a solid DB and a 2nd round pick is not a sure thing....hardly anywhere close to the value of a young top 3 in the NFL WR.

Even if the Cardinals want Lito + a 2008 and 2009 1st rounders I'd still do the trade. With Fitz the Eagles pick would probably be low 20s or even in the 30s anyways. We may never get another shot at a player of Fitzgerald's caliber, might as well bite the bullet and pay the premium to get him.

You make good points, and with Walker off the market (knee issues aside), this may happen due to the value left on the board. I think the point you may be missing is that to the Eagles FO, what is more important than the 1.19 is committing long term big money to any player. The Eagles have commited big money to only one player and thats McNabb. No other player has gotten a huge deal (that was a contract designed to be completed). Most large eagles deals are a nice 12mil signing bonus with the contract lasting 3 of 6 years. The Eagles FO typically locks up young talent (like Lito, Andrews, etc) early for the right price. The Eagles simply dont have the track record of signing big time players like Fitz to real world 6 year deals.

This simply isn't true. McNabb, Runyan, Kearse, & Samuel all contradict this point. They got those players because a) they were actually available b) the Eagles gave them more money than anyone else would c) they gave them the money because they were convinced they were true difference makers. I'd like a list of the players the Eagles have cut because of money issues in recent years. I'd venture it wouldn't be long because most of their deals run their course. They may have cut someone for performance issues but it is rare they cut someone because a ridiculous amount of money had been added at the back end of the deal.

How long was Kearse's contract? How long was he an Eagle? TOs contract was designed to be a 2year deal. Runyan I can pass your way. I cant say I have gone over the details of Samuel, so ill leave that until all the details have some out. That said, I feel my points still hold. The Eagles dont give out top 5 pick money, dont give out Berrian, Corey Simon, Champ Bailey, Ty Law, etc money. They dont make contacts like Synder does, they dont sign huge long deals.

Sorry but your points really don't hold. Funny you should bring up Kearse. The Eagles made him the highest paid defensive end in NFL HISTORY when they signed him. If he was still putting up double digit sacks do you really think he'd have been cut? Corey Simon? Are you serious? Samuel got $20 million guaranteed $57 million over 5 years. Feel free to look up where that ranks him financially amongst NFL corners. When Tra Thomas signed his extension, it made him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid tackle in football. They've also recently made significant albeit unsuccessful runs at KGB, LeCharles Bentley, and now Randy Moss. If you are down on them for not giving Berrian $16 mil in up-front money, or because they don't make Daniel Snyder type deals; I don't know what to tell you. I'm glad they don't.

I think youve missed my point. If you continue to talk about contracts like that when they are signed, they are in stone, we cannot have a productive conversation. Fact of the matter is NFL (let alone Phi) contracts arent even 'contracts'. As discussed on this board time and time again, they are 1-year renewable options. They are not contracts, they are not required to be honored, and in most cases, specifically the Eagles, they are designed to give a ~12million signing bonus over 3 years with roster bonuses back loaded that more than likely wont be met as the player will be cut. Why do you think talking heads just this year are starting to qualify contracts as 'likely to be met'. Its because the majority of the contracts in the NFL are never completed. Why people continue to talk about the richest NFL contracts ever for XYZ position, ill never know.

I didn't miss it, I refuted it. If you want to change your argument about the merits of calling deals agreements between all NFL teams & players "contracts", go ahead. I'm not interested in that tired debate. I'm still waiting for that list of Eagles players that have been cut because of back-loaded deals. The bottom line is that every team knows & operates under the current system and the Eagles have managed to land their share of front-line free agent players despite the prevailing (and incorrect) notion that they are tight-fisted.

 

[zadok]

Lets all send the get RW vibe out there.

Word UP, my brother.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Probably complete bs BUT...

EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!!! submitted by JB82476

2 hours ago | 32 comments | Email to a Friend An ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAG...WILLIAMS/181560

??? I know they spoke to the Lions last night, but from what I gathered they were no where close to a deal.

My friend is out sick today though, so no extra insight from me about this......

 

[zadok]

I know they spoke to the Lions last night

Good enough confirmation for me. Go get him birds!

 

[Snotbubbles]

Probably complete bs BUT...

EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!!! submitted by JB82476

2 hours ago | 32 comments | Email to a Friend An ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAG...WILLIAMS/181560

??? I know they spoke to the Lions last night, but from what I gathered they were no where close to a deal.

My friend is out sick today though, so no extra insight from me about this......

A lot can happen in 24 hours :fingerscrossed:

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I know they spoke to the Lions last night

Good enough confirmation for me. Go get him birds!

Not really. His exact words were: "I don't think we're getting Roy anytime soon." Right after that he said: "I gotta go, I feel like ####."

 

[zadok]

I know they spoke to the Lions last night

Good enough confirmation for me. Go get him birds!

Not really. His exact words were: "I don't think we're getting Roy anytime soon." Right after that he said: "I gotta go, I feel like ####."

Clearly his illness was clouding his choice of words...

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Roy is a stud when he's healthy, but I have concerns about his health. I'd definitely be glad to have him, but there are quite a few WRs I'd rather have.

Too bad we don't have a shot at getting any of said WRs.

Interesting they'r einterested in Howard though. If we could leverage him and save ourselves a pick that'd be great.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I know they spoke to the Lions last night

Good enough confirmation for me. Go get him birds!

Not really. His exact words were: "I don't think we're getting Roy anytime soon." Right after that he said: "I gotta go, I feel like ####."

Tell him to rub some dirt on it and get back in there....

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I know they spoke to the Lions last night

Good enough confirmation for me. Go get him birds!

Not really. His exact words were: "I don't think we're getting Roy anytime soon." Right after that he said: "I gotta go, I feel like ####."

Tell him to rub some dirt on it and get back in there....

Considering Reid is on Eskin's show today, I think it's safe to say no trade announcement is coming....

 

[Cable]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

I didn't forget, I'm not old enough to remember Tose. If making a big trade is so easy, I'm sure you'll be able to rattle off a list of recent ones no problem. BTW Freeman was a great slot receiver when he was here.

Freeman would never have been signed had Freddie Mitchell, a 2nd year player, held down the slot position. So the Eags brought in Freeman who had a decent year, but 4 TDs is hardly 'great'. Wes Welker is a great slot receiver, Freeman was OK in his all of one year in Philly.Cleveland sure shored up their DLine via trades. New England acquired Moss and Welker in 2 seperate trades last year TO was a trade, as was Stallworth...ironically the 2 best WRs the Eagles have had during the AWR dictatorship. Now that teams have some salary cap relief, more trades are happening. There's nothing in free agency, the Eagles have had very little success drafting receivers but have had some via trades.

 

[dirtywaters20]

One thing that gets my goat about Eagles fans is that they believe the Eagles should go spend money just to spend money. I firmly believe in the Eagles FO for one simple reason... if they believe there is a player/players that can make a great impact on their team they will go get them. They will not just waste money on a player just because they have an open amount of cap room.

That's true for the most part; but there have clearly been missteps at times when we had the cap room to get a little more aggressive. I think their moves this offseason are in direct reaction to last year and the realization that they do need a few playmakers from outside the organization if they hope to avoid falling back into the group of non-playoff teams that litter the league each year.

The same can be said for every team in the NFL. I'll give credit where it's due; the Eagles' brass does a better job than almost all of them. The Samuel move to me is no different than the Runyan, Kearse, Bentley, Moss moves. An elite talent actually made it to market, so they pursued him.

I agree; and am probably one of the most supportive Eagles fans you'll meet in terms of defending Reid/Lurie and Banner to my fellow Eagles fans. That said, there have been times when we did underspend when we shouldn't have; and that may have cost us a shot or two at the title.

Believe me, I'm in your camp. I'm frustrated that they haven't won a title, but I recognize how good we've had it recently relative to the majority of NFL fanbases. How quickly people forget Braman (or are too young to know) My issue is the unsubstantiated garbage that spews from the mouths of WIP callers. The wide receiver thing for example; Aside from passing on Burress, what elite receiver have they not pursued recently in free agency? Hell most conveniently forget they had a deal in place with Javon Walker's agent before Denver was able to outbid them by offering the higher second round pick they'd acquired via trade. Sometimes what fans want & what is actually available are 2 very different things.

How quickly you forget that before Braman bought the team, Leonard Tose was investigating moving the Eagles to Phoenix to cover his gambling debts. Yes, Braman was cheap and easy to hate, but he did keep the Eagles in Philadelphia. The ability to field an even competent receiving corps for the productive years of McNabb's career has been an Eagles monumental failure. They have whiffed on near every WR brought in via free agency...Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Torrance Small, and Antonio Freeman. The draft picks at WR have been pathetic, which is probably being overly generous.Get the WRs for a passing offense. It only makes sense. If it takes a big trade, it takes a big trade. If it takes overspending, then do it.

I didn't forget, I'm not old enough to remember Tose. If making a big trade is so easy, I'm sure you'll be able to rattle off a list of recent ones no problem. BTW Freeman was a great slot receiver when he was here.

Freeman would never have been signed had Freddie Mitchell, a 2nd year player, held down the slot position. So the Eags brought in Freeman who had a decent year, but 4 TDs is hardly 'great'. Wes Welker is a great slot receiver, Freeman was OK in his all of one year in Philly.Cleveland sure shored up their DLine via trades. New England acquired Moss and Welker in 2 seperate trades last year TO was a trade, as was Stallworth...ironically the 2 best WRs the Eagles have had during the AWR dictatorship. Now that teams have some salary cap relief, more trades are happening. There's nothing in free agency, the Eagles have had very little success drafting receivers but have had some via trades.

For all his flaws, we've had it pretty damn good under the "AWR dictatorship". Aside from TO (which I refuse to blame the Eagles for; they outbid Baltimore, the only other team that wanted him), all of what you have mentioned is very recent history. The truth is you have no idea how Cleveland's defensive line is going to perform & they spent a king's ransom both in terms of dollars and picks to acquire them. Many league observers have ripped them for overpaying for Williams and for investing that much in a guy like Rogers, who has a questionable motor and an even more questionable character. At least we can agree that now that the landscape has very recently changed with the new CBA, trades have become a viable option. I'm not going to kill them for this offseason because it is all of 2 weeks old. I'm not going to defend their draft history with receivers because they clearly haven't gotten it done (although I'm not writing Brown off yet). What I'm not going to buy is the tired rant that they haven't been aggressive in trying to correct their draft failures because we've both cited enough examples to prove that isn't the case. The offseason is still young and they do have some desirable assets, let's see how it plays out.

 

[zadok]

Probably complete bs BUT...

EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!!! submitted by JB82476

2 hours ago | 32 comments | Email to a Friend An ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAG...WILLIAMS/181560

Guess so.

 

[awesomeness]

Probably complete bs BUT...

EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!!! submitted by JB82476

2 hours ago | 32 comments | Email to a Friend An ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAG...WILLIAMS/181560

Guess so.

 

[Dr. J]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...

If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

 

[CYP]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

If true Omar Gaither can fill in there Im sure

 

[vandyt]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

PFT

WHAT A DIFFERENCE A DAY MAKESOn Friday, we were golden in the eyes of Eagles web guy Dave Spadaro:"I just checked out ProFootballTalk.com (which I do about 20 times an hour, anyway) and the suggestion is that the Eagles are chasing linebacker/defensive end Chris Clemons from Oakland and that, in a separate iitem [sic] , the team is considering moving Sheldon Brown to safety. I've looked up Clemons, I've talked to people about Clemons and he is said to be a speed-rushing end who could be a huge boost off the edge for this team. We shall see if, in fact, that rumor is true."But now that we've pointed out the curious dichotomy between the presence of Asante Samuel and the absence of Takeo Spikes from the on-line depth chart, Spadaro regards us much differently:"Now it's completely absurd. ProFootballTalk.com is 'speculating' that because the depth chart on this web site, the UNOFFICIAL DEPTH CHART, did not contain Takeo Spikes, that means Spikes could be on the way out. OK, so this is dumb. Spikes was on Injured Reserve at the end of the season and hasn't been added back to the depth chart, which really hasn't been updated all that much. "Hey, there is no Sean Considine on the depth chart. Kimo von Oelhoffen is an unrestricted free agent, yet he is on the depth chart. Here is the upshot: We are likely to disable the depth chart because of stupid speculation like this. It just is not worth this kind of nonsense."Ooooooo. The Eagles might "disable the depth chart" in retaliation for the fact that people assume that it was prepared by someone who didn't have his own head buried in his own ###. Dave, if the information isn't accurate, it should be disabled. Otherwise, inaccurate information posted on the depth chart will prompt speculation. So instead of chastising the fans and the readers (i.e., the Eagles' customers) for not being smart enough to engage in mind reading, maybe the folks responsible for the web site should be smart enough to ensure that it reflects correct information about relatively significant matters like, you know, who is and isn't on the team.

 

[Dr. J]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

If true Omar Gaither can fill in there Im sure

He can't play 2 positions at one time, unfortunately. One thing Gargano said was they tried to get him to restructure to make room for AS and he wouldn't go for it. Maybe they're making room for another move? Roy Williams?

 

[CYP]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

If true Omar Gaither can fill in there Im sure

He can't play 2 positions at one time, unfortunately. One thing Gargano said was they tried to get him to restructure to make room for AS and he wouldn't go for it. Maybe they're making room for another move? Roy Williams?

Stewart Bradley is the middle linebacker this year not Omar. Why dont I hear Gargano on the radio? Its Ike Reese and some other idiot. Did Gargano call in? Why arent these two guys talking about it at all?

 

[Dr. J]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

If true Omar Gaither can fill in there Im sure

He can't play 2 positions at one time, unfortunately. One thing Gargano said was they tried to get him to restructure to make room for AS and he wouldn't go for it. Maybe they're making room for another move? Roy Williams?

Stewart Bradley is the middle linebacker this year not Omar. Why dont I hear Gargano on the radio? Its Ike Reese and some other idiot. Did Gargano call in? Why arent these two guys talking about it at all?

Yes he called in.

 

[LILB811]

gcobb:

Anthony Gargano of 610-WIP just reported that the Eagles have released veteran linebacker Takeo Spikes. That frees up $5 million dollars and could be a preliminary move to something positive. This doesn't surprise me at all and was something I was expecting.

I think this is the first shoe to drop. I thought they would have cut Spikes if the Cardinals had agreed to trade Larry Fitzgerald to them. If they had given Randy Moss nearly $10 million dollars a year, they would have cut that price in half by cutting Spikes and saving $5 million dollars.

The cutting of Spikes means 2nd year backer Stewart Bradley will be moved to the middle as the starter and Omar Gaither will be moved to the weakside linebacker spot. This makes the Birds younger at the linebacker positions, bigger and more physical in the middle and better. It was a good move.

Remember that in the pecking order, the Birds want to acquire Larry Fitzgerald. If they don't get Fitzgerald then Roy Williams is the guy. If not Williams then Chad Johnson of the Bengals is next in line.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.

 

[Dr. J]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.

Wow. Didn't realize they planned on moving Gaither back.

 

[LILB811]

Just heard Anthony Gargano on WIP announce that Takeo Spikes has been cut by the birds. I can't find a link but just heard in online. WIP...take it for what it's worth...If this is true, I'm not sure what to think. Takeo wasn't a superstar last year but be did seem to pull it together as the season came to a close. Depth at LB an issue once again?

I wasn't overly impressed with Spikes last year; not enough big plays & dropped more than a few sure INTs. Good luck to him though, seems like a great guy. Bradley at the Mike and Gaither back to Wil? They love Bradley, I'd be surprised if they didn't want him on the field more. I can't imagine they think Jordan can start weakside.

I completely agree here. I think the Eagles are trying to change the look of the defense and putting a HUGE, HUGE emphasis on speed. I could definitely see them mixing in Clemons a little at LB, maybe in the joker position Jim Johnson loves so much with Cole and Abiamiri on the end. I said a while ago that the team really likes Bradley, and this move definitely screams that. This does leave them with not too much depth, but Jordan should be the 4th and another LB will probably be drafted

 

[Chunky Soup]

gcobb:

Anthony Gargano of 610-WIP just reported that the Eagles have released veteran linebacker Takeo Spikes. That frees up $5 million dollars and could be a preliminary move to something positive. This doesn't surprise me at all and was something I was expecting.

I think this is the first shoe to drop. I thought they would have cut Spikes if the Cardinals had agreed to trade Larry Fitzgerald to them. If they had given Randy Moss nearly $10 million dollars a year, they would have cut that price in half by cutting Spikes and saving $5 million dollars.

The cutting of Spikes means 2nd year backer Stewart Bradley will be moved to the middle as the starter and Omar Gaither will be moved to the weakside linebacker spot. This makes the Birds younger at the linebacker positions, bigger and more physical in the middle and better. It was a good move.

Remember that in the pecking order, the Birds want to acquire Larry Fitzgerald. If they don't get Fitzgerald then Roy Williams is the guy. If not Williams then Chad Johnson of the Bengals is next in line.

Good stuff here. What do you guys think are the realistic chances we get one of those three?

 

[CYP]

gcobb:

Anthony Gargano of 610-WIP just reported that the Eagles have released veteran linebacker Takeo Spikes. That frees up $5 million dollars and could be a preliminary move to something positive. This doesn't surprise me at all and was something I was expecting.

I think this is the first shoe to drop. I thought they would have cut Spikes if the Cardinals had agreed to trade Larry Fitzgerald to them. If they had given Randy Moss nearly $10 million dollars a year, they would have cut that price in half by cutting Spikes and saving $5 million dollars.

The cutting of Spikes means 2nd year backer Stewart Bradley will be moved to the middle as the starter and Omar Gaither will be moved to the weakside linebacker spot. This makes the Birds younger at the linebacker positions, bigger and more physical in the middle and better. It was a good move.

Remember that in the pecking order, the Birds want to acquire Larry Fitzgerald. If they don't get Fitzgerald then Roy Williams is the guy. If not Williams then Chad Johnson of the Bengals is next in line.

Good stuff here. What do you guys think are the realistic chances we get one of those three?

The same as me morphing into one of those 3 players.

 

[Bushead]

paging Deranged Hermit...what goin' on?

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm 100% fine with cutting Spikes, also should give we Birds fans confidence that the Birds brass thinks it got one right with Bradley.

 

[CYP]

I'm 100% fine with cutting Spikes, also should give we Birds fans confidence that the Birds brass thinks it got one right with Bradley.

I think they did with Bradley

 

[zadok]

paging Deranged Hermit...what goin' on?

 

[LILB811]

Is Darren Howard going to stay on the roster? I honestly can't see them keeping him, and apparently they're trying to increase cap space to make a move of some sort. What order are these priorities?

1. Restructuring West

2. Restructuring Cole

3. Bringing in a top flight WR