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Billy Bats
Footballguy
I think I seen McNabb ready to blow chunks, he was at least dry heaving. WTF are you doing taking a sack??? What a nightmare of a finish, but not atypical.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
anyone think the Vikes will give up 2 #1's for McChoke?
-baller
Footballguy
that's bs4th QuarterThe starters were sitting in the third quarter.
Philadelphia Eagles continues ...
1-10-STL 33 (15:00) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 10-D.Jackson pushed ob at STL 22 for 11 yards (26-T.Hill).
1-10-STL 22 (14:20) 36-B.Westbrook left guard to STL 16 for 6 yards (21-O.Atogwe).
2-4-STL 16 (13:39) 5-D.McNabb pass short middle to 82-L.Smith to STL 6 for 10 yards (51-W.Witherspoon; 50-P.Tinoisamoa).
1-6-STL 6 (12:51) 36-B.Westbrook left end to STL 6 for no gain (90-A.Carriker; 53-Q.Culberson).
2-6-STL 6 (12:10) (Shotgun) 36-B.Westbrook left tackle for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
0-0-STL 2 2-D.Akers extra point is GOOD, Center-46-J.Dorenbos, Holder-6-S.Rocca.
jon007
Footballguy
The season is early. To be honest I like the Eagles game plan in this one. We gave up a couple of big plays that went for TDs, but the one play that killed us was the fumble late in the game that could have been a nail to seal the win. I really like our chances this year. I just hope we will have enough get a win against the Steelers after a game like this.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
Eagles and AR in particular never play/coach well against the Steelers. Even in the super bowl year, the Steelers gave the iggls their 1st loss, i believe in week 8.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
that's bs4th Quarter
Philadelphia Eagles continues ...
1-10-STL 33 (15:00) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 10-D.Jackson pushed ob at STL 22 for 11 yards (26-T.Hill).
1-10-STL 22 (14:20) 36-B.Westbrook left guard to STL 16 for 6 yards (21-O.Atogwe).
2-4-STL 16 (13:39) 5-D.McNabb pass short middle to 82-L.Smith to STL 6 for 10 yards (51-W.Witherspoon; 50-P.Tinoisamoa).
1-6-STL 6 (12:51) 36-B.Westbrook left end to STL 6 for no gain (90-A.Carriker; 53-Q.Culberson).
2-6-STL 6 (12:10) (Shotgun) 36-B.Westbrook left tackle for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
0-0-STL 2 2-D.Akers extra point is GOOD, Center-46-J.Dorenbos, Holder-6-S.Rocca.
Thought that td was late third. It's still not running it up.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I feel ill.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Steve Young just called McNabb a wily veteran.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Hopefully they can bouce back and build on this.Take a step back and think, even though we had them, before the game this was a nice to have but not a must have.DeSean getting better (and less dumb) with Curtis and Brown coming back.Hopefully we can bouce back quickly and beat the Stillers next week, would hate to start 1-2.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Yeah, Wade's talking about how great he is now too.Does no one pay attention to the end of these games?Steve Young just called McNabb a wily veteran.
delusional
Footballguy
I learned this tonight
1. Considine should have been cut preseason. He gave up that bomb to TO
2. ST coach Rory Segret still sucks. SHould have been fired last season
3. Reid can not do 2 minutes to save his life
4. McNabb HAS to learn to run again and toss passes away
5.Avant Lewis and Baskett are good WRs....3 4 5 WRs....need i say more? ( brown and curtis are not much better )
6. Jackson is for real
7. LJ Smith is overrated by this org.
8. West makes this team go round. Take him out and Ried is a fish on land.
On other notes. We alot of bad calls / non calls tonight by the refs. Seemed to be a trend this weekend.
1. Considine should have been cut preseason. He gave up that bomb to TO
2. ST coach Rory Segret still sucks. SHould have been fired last season
3. Reid can not do 2 minutes to save his life
4. McNabb HAS to learn to run again and toss passes away
5.Avant Lewis and Baskett are good WRs....3 4 5 WRs....need i say more? ( brown and curtis are not much better )
6. Jackson is for real
7. LJ Smith is overrated by this org.
8. West makes this team go round. Take him out and Ried is a fish on land.
On other notes. We alot of bad calls / non calls tonight by the refs. Seemed to be a trend this weekend.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Man, McNabb turned into a total buffoon in that 4th Q. I don't know how you can look so good for 3 Q's and then all of a sudden look like a rookie.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
i'm done. i'm flying up to philly next week for the PIT game and i think i may boo McChoke for the first time in my life. I went to every single home game from his rookie year through the super bowl (then moved out of state), and i never even considered booing him. but, this game was the last straw.
winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.
winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.
delusional
Footballguy
Coaching. I still dont think he is able to call his own plays on the field. That 4th comes down to Ried, it looked like his stle completelyNeed a 1st by 15yds? Throw a 4yd pass....Granted i will give McNabb this...even though he screwed up alot in the 4th, he still has NO WRS outside of Jackson and Jackson is a rookie. Brown and Curtis didnt play.THat says alot about the guy over his career. He has NEVER been giving anything buy a CHEAP FO. Except TO one year and well, yadda yadda. McNabb is the best QB this franchise will see. It is just a shame the coach he had the whole time was so stubborn to get him what he needed.
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Manster
Footballguy
bad calls yea. but what are you saying? there were two missed Facemask calls on the Cowboys, but the PI call to give the ball to the Eagles on the 1 was offensive PI all the way. overall not a bad officiated game.jackson is the real deal, but come on! make sure you in the endzone.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Well I'm talking more about a couple of his overthrows and decisions. He could have run on a couple of those sacks, and thrown the ball away on at least 2. And then there was the 'handoff' that wasn't. WTF was up with that?
Dragon1952
Footballguy
The penalty that killed me was the false start on Dallas that turned into a 15 yd gift for them. What the hell? The guy makes a move so you rush him and knock him down and they flag you? How do you disregard one penalty when it's the one that caused everything? Minimum it should be off-setting.
delusional
Footballguy
That handoff was a blown reverse by one of the WRs. It was not intended to go to west, mcnabb seen the WR NOT coming behind and tried to hope that westy saw it too. As for the calls, yes there were alot of bad calls this game, some i think were pretty deciding on the game ( was no PI at the end )This game showed me that Ried is very bad at the 2 minute drill. Which is what we needed. Segrest needs to go...and fast. Pacman and Felix ran on kickoffs and punts like me and my bar team were trying to tackle them.Offsetting? When was the last time you seen an offset called. Officiating is getting bad across all sports lately.
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massraider
Footballguy
That's the play that fans will roast him for. That was pretty inexcusable.This team is a lot better with Reggie Brown and Curtis, can't wait to see them back.
delusional
Footballguy
Like isaid, dont blame that on McNabb, it was a blown play on a WRs part, he was supposed to run the reverse fake. Never did. McNabb tried to stuff it hoping westy saw it.
massraider
Footballguy
If he was running a fake, he wouldn't have gotten the ball anyway. Are you saying McNabb tried to handoff to Westy when he wasn't expecting a handoff? I am not sure that's any better. If a back is running a fake, and not prepared for a handoff, a fumble is a pretty good possibility.I'll be interested to hear McNabb's take on it, but I gotta tell you, I find it hard to believe that McNabb noticed a teammate not in the right spot, and in that split second, decided to hand off anyway.
delusional
Footballguy
McNabb was going to fake the hand off to westy but at the snap he didnt see the WR break, while he was going to fake the hand off which resulted in the double pump back into westy.Either way our ST coach is ###, has been, needs to be fired. We won't win games against average teams with Avant Baskett and Lewis as our main WRs. Reid still can't call a 2 minute ( or a 4th for that matter ) Considine is ###. He cost us games in the past and honestly he cost us this game with that 1st TD to TO. He should never see the field unless its a game like week 1 and kolb is in. If you care to argue, try because frankly, i am right
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BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
yeah, wtf? If the WR si supposed to be coming for the reverse, but isnt, then McNabb needs to tuck and run. Not stuff the ball into Westys gut when he's not expecting it.And i dont buy it anyway because Westy reacted as soon as he realized the ball wasnt in his hands. If it was a fake to westy, then he would've carried out his fake, not expecting the ball to be there, and therefore not reacting at all when it wasnt.that was McNabb forgetting the play and panicking. by the time he figured it out, it was too late
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
you're delusional, that makes no sense. anyway, the WR WAS coming around. i have the game on DVR and the WR was most definitely coming for a reverse (or fake reverse)
Dragon1952
Footballguy
He faked, pulled it back and then tried to stick it in there again after Westy was almost by him. Regardless of what was supposed to have happened it was a boneheaded play, and probably the one that most cost them the game, regardless of his other boneheaded plays later. They were moving the ball and could have gone up 13, or at least 10.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Want to know why he messed that play up?? Because they call way too many ####### play action fakes. McNabb does it so often he's shocked when it's not play action. He seen the receiver on the fake reverse and got confused because he wanted to play action fake, then realized it was BWests play. Stupid ####### play calling. What in the world is he faking handoffs for during a so called two minute drill?? It takes his eyes off the field and slows his dropback down. It's ridiculous. Who even believes any of our play action fakes?? IT MAKES SO ####### SENSE.
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I responded to you ni the game thread, but it will get lost there....so here it is again:So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans. More for this thread: NOW...I love DeSean Jackson, and he's going to be a big part of this team for a long time, but he did NOT step up in this game, making two big drops that ended drives. The defense did NOT make big plays (OK...they fell on Romo's UNFORCED fumble...but the key word is UNFORCED) and gave up 40 points!Philly is a legit contender, and will go toe-to-toe with Dallas to the end, but the defense has to play better against Dallas. I thought the defensive gameplan was...uninspired. Too many 4 man rushes on 3rd and long, leaving Romo all day to find open men deep downfield.Lehigh98 said:Ugh, that was brutal, we just let too many games slip away like that.Mostly play well but give up big plays, make big mistakes, and tighten up when the game's on the line.I put that loss squarely on McNabb, his fumbled handoff, and his inability to perform in the clutch once again.
True...but if you look closer at those facemasks on Westbrook...you'll realize he was breaking ALL of those runs, and had AT LEAST five-10 more yards without the facemask. When you consider Westy's open-field ability, it's not a big stretch to say that the "facemask strategy" helped change the game. I counted FOUR SIGNIFICANT tackles by the mask. I'm talking head twisting, backwards yanking, potentially neck-breaking tackles that should receive league fines..and two of them didn't even get flagged. There are penalties that should get flagged, and penalties that should result in fines and ejections.....Manster said:
CentralPA
Footballguy
Wow, people still wishing they trade McNabb, so stupid. Why even cheer for the Eagles if you are going to be like that. McNabb played a tremendous game last night. He made one costly mistake with the handoff to Westbrook but for the WHOLE GAME he played like he was back in 2004. This team is good, they proved they can hang last night. They don't fumble that football i'd almost say it's a lock they win that game. The WRs played well but they need to pass better and they sure didn't do a good job getting open on the last couple of drives. Don't put this loss on McNabb. This team is good people, keep your heads up!
I responded to you ni the game thread, but it will get lost there....so here it is again:So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans. More for this thread: NOW...I love DeSean Jackson, and he's going to be a big part of this team for a long time, but he did NOT step up in this game, making two big drops that ended drives. The defense did NOT make big plays (OK...they fell on Romo's UNFORCED fumble...but the key word is UNFORCED) and gave up 40 points!Philly is a legit contender, and will go toe-to-toe with Dallas to the end, but the defense has to play better against Dallas. I thought the defensive gameplan was...uninspired. Too many 4 man rushes on 3rd and long, leaving Romo all day to find open men deep downfield.Lehigh98 said:Ugh, that was brutal, we just let too many games slip away like that.Mostly play well but give up big plays, make big mistakes, and tighten up when the game's on the line.I put that loss squarely on McNabb, his fumbled handoff, and his inability to perform in the clutch once again.
wouldn't it have been nice if the D kept them from rolling right down the field to take the lead? you just knew that Dallas was going to be able to score in that situation.I responded to you ni the game thread, but it will get lost there....so here it is again:So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans. More for this thread: NOW...I love DeSean Jackson, and he's going to be a big part of this team for a long time, but he did NOT step up in this game, making two big drops that ended drives. The defense did NOT make big plays (OK...they fell on Romo's UNFORCED fumble...but the key word is UNFORCED) and gave up 40 points!Philly is a legit contender, and will go toe-to-toe with Dallas to the end, but the defense has to play better against Dallas. I thought the defensive gameplan was...uninspired. Too many 4 man rushes on 3rd and long, leaving Romo all day to find open men deep downfield.Lehigh98 said:Ugh, that was brutal, we just let too many games slip away like that.Mostly play well but give up big plays, make big mistakes, and tighten up when the game's on the line.I put that loss squarely on McNabb, his fumbled handoff, and his inability to perform in the clutch once again.
I'm not sure what more you people want from McNabb. He played a hell of a game and certainly does not deserve to get booed like another poster suggested. That just disgusts me. This guy is the best QB you'll see playing in midnight green in your lifetime. Enjoy it while it lasts because without a good QB we'll be down in the cellar of the NFC East again. McNabb made a couple mistakes sure but what QB doesnt. His teammates also made a couple mistakes that could have been the difference in this game. I'm not sure why Eagles fans don't appreciate this man but its a pity.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
An impressive footballl game last night.
Both of these Defenses are getting a lot of heat, however I thought both teams were excellent against the run which wins games later in the year. This was a chess match on blitzing and protection schemes plain and simple.
McNabb was fantastic last night. That was the best I have seen him play in a couple of years. He was elusive and down right nasty to tackle. I can't count how many sacks the Cowboys would have had against any other QB last night. Any fans blaming McNabb for the loss doesn't know football.
DeSean Jackson is legit and a future stud. Great draft pick for you guys. Silly play he made, but he'll learn and be fine.
How the heck does Dawkins get matched up 1 on 1 against TO near the goal line?
I have a feeling Week 17 will be a meaningful game.
One other observation: The officiating was quite poor last night. Some calls that I thought they missed:
1) I thought DeSean Jackson made the catch and was down (Made a FD). Refs ruled incomplete
2) Pass interference call on Henry was ridiculous.
3) They missed a personal foul for face masking Westbrook early in the game as well.
4) The Eagles got a away with a TON of holding penalties. Not 1 was called.
I guess all in all in didn't really matter, just an observation.
Both of these Defenses are getting a lot of heat, however I thought both teams were excellent against the run which wins games later in the year. This was a chess match on blitzing and protection schemes plain and simple.
McNabb was fantastic last night. That was the best I have seen him play in a couple of years. He was elusive and down right nasty to tackle. I can't count how many sacks the Cowboys would have had against any other QB last night. Any fans blaming McNabb for the loss doesn't know football.
DeSean Jackson is legit and a future stud. Great draft pick for you guys. Silly play he made, but he'll learn and be fine.
How the heck does Dawkins get matched up 1 on 1 against TO near the goal line?
I have a feeling Week 17 will be a meaningful game.
One other observation: The officiating was quite poor last night. Some calls that I thought they missed:
1) I thought DeSean Jackson made the catch and was down (Made a FD). Refs ruled incomplete
2) Pass interference call on Henry was ridiculous.
3) They missed a personal foul for face masking Westbrook early in the game as well.
4) The Eagles got a away with a TON of holding penalties. Not 1 was called.
I guess all in all in didn't really matter, just an observation.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Scratcher and renesauz,
I get what you both are saying, but it is hard - really hard - to take this loss.
The point is that now the entire season will be about getting in a position for the rematch in Week 17. Then what? If we win Week 17 and get the division, we had better damn well get the bye because we'll be way up for that game and then it'll be a letdown in the first playoff game.
Every Eagles fan wants to know why they lost. What happened? Point the finger at someone, that's what they want. Why? They want answers.
The defense was the problem. Romo was never pummelled. He wasn't under enough pressure until 3rd down on their last possession it felt like. Where were the sacks? Where was the game-changing turnover?
And who decided that B-Dawk on Witten was a good idea, or B-Dawk on TO? What's that about?
Lito on the field in the second half was the correct move, and it came too late. He basically shut down TO, which was his job for years. I expected nothing less of him. Why did that take so long? When you play the Cowboys, don't you try and take away TO and make someone else beat you? Put 7 in the box, mirror Witten, and double TO. That's what you do.
Sean Considine, don't drive in the outside lane on the Walt Whitman. You may get burned. Again.
One more thing - McNabb laughing / smiling / smirking on the overthrow to Westbrook on the penultimate possession. I don't care if he's "loose" - it doesn't look good.
Lastly, please - PLEASE - work on the damn 2 minute drill. Pathetic to play that way with ~50 yards, 90 seconds and 1 timeout. That was terrible.
I get what you both are saying, but it is hard - really hard - to take this loss.
The point is that now the entire season will be about getting in a position for the rematch in Week 17. Then what? If we win Week 17 and get the division, we had better damn well get the bye because we'll be way up for that game and then it'll be a letdown in the first playoff game.
Every Eagles fan wants to know why they lost. What happened? Point the finger at someone, that's what they want. Why? They want answers.
The defense was the problem. Romo was never pummelled. He wasn't under enough pressure until 3rd down on their last possession it felt like. Where were the sacks? Where was the game-changing turnover?
And who decided that B-Dawk on Witten was a good idea, or B-Dawk on TO? What's that about?
Lito on the field in the second half was the correct move, and it came too late. He basically shut down TO, which was his job for years. I expected nothing less of him. Why did that take so long? When you play the Cowboys, don't you try and take away TO and make someone else beat you? Put 7 in the box, mirror Witten, and double TO. That's what you do.
Sean Considine, don't drive in the outside lane on the Walt Whitman. You may get burned. Again.
One more thing - McNabb laughing / smiling / smirking on the overthrow to Westbrook on the penultimate possession. I don't care if he's "loose" - it doesn't look good.
Lastly, please - PLEASE - work on the damn 2 minute drill. Pathetic to play that way with ~50 yards, 90 seconds and 1 timeout. That was terrible.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I can understand, it's hard accept "moral victories" especially after a game like that. However it's clear to me that both of these teams are MONSTERS are the rest of the NFC/NFL should be on notice. On a side note, I would love someone tell me my heart rate/pulse during the game last night.Classy post, Bankerguy.I'm still not taking this one well.
shimtown
Footballguy
I think at the end of the game we seen the age old problem for the Eagles. NO SEPARATION from the wr's. McNabb just didn't have anyone to throw to at the end. Also BDawk just seems a step slow on passing situations. Im not sure if Demps is ready but something has to give there. In the run game Dawk is still a stud but when he's out in coverage Im not too sure. Considine shouldnt even be on this team. The pass interference in my mind made up for the TWO facemasks before it.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup probably the top 2 teams in the NFL at this point.......I can understand, it's hard accept "moral victories" especially after a game like that. However it's clear to me that both of these teams are MONSTERS are the rest of the NFC/NFL should be on notice. On a side note, I would love someone tell me my heart rate/pulse during the game last night.Classy post, Bankerguy.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I hope you guys don’t mind me hanging in out in here?Jeff, here are my thoughts on a couple of your points:You said that your defense didn’t get any game changing turnovers. In reality you did, the defense scored a TD on a fumble in the end zone and also had an interception. They helped the Eagles score scored 14 points in under 30 seconds, it doesn’t get much more game changing then that.I too was just shocked on the second TO touchdown were Dawkins is on Owens at the 1 yard line. That had to have been a mistake or huge error in judgement.On the point about sacks and blitzing. Doubling TO and with Lito was effective at limiting TO, but you still have to account for Witten. He is a fantastic route runner and not many line backers or safeties can run with him on the longer routes. If you drop everyone into coverage then Barber is likely to run well. I really think the challenge for Jim Johnson was that the Cowboys effectively caught the Eagles on some hot routes when you did blitz. There were a couple of big plays. Witten caught one, Bennett had a big game on a TE screen, and Barber would have ran forever on the last 3rd down play in the 4th quarter. It appeared to me that Johnson was trying to limit the big plays and make the Cowboys drive the field. It’s the same thing that drives me crazy about Dallas. Give the Dallas O-line and Barber some credit for the pass blocking. IMO..the way to beat the Cowboys is take Witten away not Owens. Double Witten and go man to man on Owens. The Eagles were tough against our run game and I was not confident we could move the ball on the ground. Honestly, this game could have gone either way.
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I see where you're coming from too Jeff. But, keep in mind we were playing probably the best team in the NFL at the moment. If that game were played out 10 times, I don't doubt the games would be split 5-5. This team is going to have losses, we're not going to go 16-0. If our losses end up being like yesterday's, I can handle that. I was impressed with the play of the Eagles.Like Bankerguy said, there were two game changing turnovers yesterday. I thought the Eagles did a pretty good job getting pressure on Romo as well. Did you see the game vs the Browns? Romo could have been eating a sandwich in the pocket against them. Romo was hurried on many of the plays last night. The defense was also tough against the run. One of big mistakes in my opinion was matching up Witten to a LB when you have 3 quality starting CBs. Any one of those guys would have matched up well against him. Dawk did look slow to me last night and really most of the games I've watched him. He can still lay the wood but might be becoming a liability in coverage. Considine is a moron, period. When you're covering the deep third, cover the deep ball and don't bite on a move underneath.And yes, the 2 minute drill is still disgusting to watch. What the crap was that last play...However, McNabb is not to blame for last night. He was right on with his throws except for a couple. He did run a couple times. Should he have run a couple more times? Probably but he tried to hold out for a bigger play with his arm. He played with emotion too, he should not be critiqued for laughing on the sideline. Do you remember the run to hte left where he took the hit, spun and tried to grab a couple more yards. THose kind of plays will win you respect in Philly. This team has a lot of potential for the season. The game last night is no reason to doubt the team; we went against the best of the league in their turf and almost came away with a W.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
What bothered me the most about the Dawkins/Owens TD is that the Birds called a very similiar defense against the Steelers in week 1 of the pre season and it had the same result as Holmes scored an easy TD. You will not find a bigger BDawk fan than myself, but there is no way in hell he should be playing one on one against any teams #1 or #2 WR.
As for McNabb...
He played a fantastic game with a couple of mistakes. Guess what, so did Tony Romo. Cut the guy some slack.
As for McNabb...
He played a fantastic game with a couple of mistakes. Guess what, so did Tony Romo. Cut the guy some slack.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
I have been... for years... I'm running out.Still waiting for a clutch player in Philly, thought it was Chase until that 0-4 with 4 K's in game 1 of the playoffs last year.Who was the last player from any team that we could REALLY count on when it mattered?... just wondering.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
Steve CarltonPete RoseMike Schmidt
zadok
Footballguy
Exactly. His days of covering like a CB are over. Why have 3 top CBs if you don't use them against TO in the red zone??? Should have just stuck Samuel on him all night.
He didn't play perfectly, but sure as heck was good enough to win. I don't care what kind of offense you're facing, a defense giving up 40+ points is inexcusable.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Where to begin here.
This loss IS NOT McNabb's fault. The loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the Defense. I will say right now that Brady and probably Manning can do what McNabb is currently doing with the weapons he is given.
Johnson has a lot to explain for after that debacle. They got zero pass rush and they constantly had an ill-equiped player always covering their best weapons: Owens and Witten. That being said, the secondary can only cover someone for so long. They MUST get more out of that D-line. Yeah, Barber and Jones were shut down for much of the game. Credit them for that. But the QB cannot have time to mix a cake, cook it, ice it, and than throw the ball. Romo had someone in his face maybe 3 times.
Anyway, I truely believe that this game solidified Dallas and Philly as the cream of the crop in the NFC. I think they're much better than the Vikes, marginally better than the NYG, CAR (whoI was wrong about) and GB.
They're about to get another test this week with PIT, but I honestly think they're better than the Steelers right now. They need to shut down Parker and let Rothlisberger's gimpy shoulder beat you. If Cleveland put together solid drives against them, I gotta believe McNabb can too. Dallas has a tough test in GB too, so there's a real possibility both teams can be 2-1 after this week.
This loss IS NOT McNabb's fault. The loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the Defense. I will say right now that Brady and probably Manning can do what McNabb is currently doing with the weapons he is given.
Johnson has a lot to explain for after that debacle. They got zero pass rush and they constantly had an ill-equiped player always covering their best weapons: Owens and Witten. That being said, the secondary can only cover someone for so long. They MUST get more out of that D-line. Yeah, Barber and Jones were shut down for much of the game. Credit them for that. But the QB cannot have time to mix a cake, cook it, ice it, and than throw the ball. Romo had someone in his face maybe 3 times.
Anyway, I truely believe that this game solidified Dallas and Philly as the cream of the crop in the NFC. I think they're much better than the Vikes, marginally better than the NYG, CAR (whoI was wrong about) and GB.
They're about to get another test this week with PIT, but I honestly think they're better than the Steelers right now. They need to shut down Parker and let Rothlisberger's gimpy shoulder beat you. If Cleveland put together solid drives against them, I gotta believe McNabb can too. Dallas has a tough test in GB too, so there's a real possibility both teams can be 2-1 after this week.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
a lot of good, level-headed posts in here, and i admittedly was fired up last night. BUT, i still have McNabb in my sights today (figuratively of course 
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You guys who defend him are like moths flying around a big bug zapper. yeah, he looked great for 3 quarters of that game. Yeah, he made plays that very few other QBs could have made. But when it comes down to it, when the game is on the line, and when you need a clutch performance at the penultimate moment, McNabb simply cannot deliver.
Of course the D is to blame for the loss. Because if they dont get McNabb a double digit lead in the 4th quarter, he will find a way to blow it. Of course the WRs need to be better. Oh wait, they found a way to get open in the 1st 3 quarters and then magically couldnt get separation in the 4th qtr. C'mon, i'm not buying it.
McNabb hit the panic button, hard. He always has and he always will. I've always been a HUGE McNabb fan. But i simply do not believe in him anymore. The Eagles will be a playoff team, at best, with him at QB. nothing more, nothing less. So, all you defenders out there, hope you enjoy your 10-6 season and the crushing playoff loss that comes with it.
)You guys who defend him are like moths flying around a big bug zapper. yeah, he looked great for 3 quarters of that game. Yeah, he made plays that very few other QBs could have made. But when it comes down to it, when the game is on the line, and when you need a clutch performance at the penultimate moment, McNabb simply cannot deliver.
Of course the D is to blame for the loss. Because if they dont get McNabb a double digit lead in the 4th quarter, he will find a way to blow it. Of course the WRs need to be better. Oh wait, they found a way to get open in the 1st 3 quarters and then magically couldnt get separation in the 4th qtr. C'mon, i'm not buying it.
McNabb hit the panic button, hard. He always has and he always will. I've always been a HUGE McNabb fan. But i simply do not believe in him anymore. The Eagles will be a playoff team, at best, with him at QB. nothing more, nothing less. So, all you defenders out there, hope you enjoy your 10-6 season and the crushing playoff loss that comes with it.
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