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[scratcher]

Back Surgery For AndrewsOctober 22, 2008 | Last Updated: 10/22/08 11:46 AM ET | Comments (0)By: CHRIS McPHERSONHead coach Andy Reid and head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder announced that Pro Bowl guard Shawn Andrews underwent surgery on Tuesday to repair the back injury that he suffered in the Week 2 loss to Dallas. The surgery will not force Andrews to be placed on the injured reserve list. Burkholder said that the recovery time could range from six weeks to three months. In the meantime, Max Jean-Gilles will remain the starter at right guard in Andrews' absence.The surgery was performed by Dr. Robert Watkins in Marina Del Ray, Cal. Andrews is still in California at this time and will remain there for at least five days. Burkholder said that Andrews suffered the injury blocking for an extra point attempt against the Cowboys.

And anyone know anything about this Eckel guy they signed as a FB?

 

[The Noid]

How could the ref see enough to overturn the Manning challenge while on the Jacobs fumble he couldn't and had to go with the ruling on the field?

The players, and play-calling, lost that game but they had a couple chances to steal it that were taken away from them.

 

[Bankerguy]

Tough loss for the Eagles for sure. I was very puzzled by the play calling and poor clock managament.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Tough loss for the Eagles for sure. I was very puzzled by the play calling and poor clock managament.

This loss goes squarely at the feet of their Defense. Yeah, the Offense looked sluggish in the first quarter, but the D constantly looked a half step behind on every play. The D-line was getting blown up every play.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Tough loss for the Eagles for sure. I was very puzzled by the play calling and poor clock managament.

This loss goes squarely at the feet of their Defense. Yeah, the Offense looked sluggish in the first quarter, but the D constantly looked a half step behind on every play. The D-line was getting blown up every play.

Plenty of blame to go around.Haven't miuddled through the game thread yet, but:The facemask call on Stewart Bradley - bad call.The reverse of the Eli pass was the dagger. Terrible reversal on that call (red line, unofficial, PLUS not indisputable evidence - that's supposed to be a non-overturn).Regardless of calls, the offense was "3 and out" way too much. And the D couldn't stop the run and had to blitz to have a shot.They do get credit for making the Gaints take "3" vs. "7" in the first half twice, but they were over-taxed for sure.The playcalling to get the ball in DeSean's hands was good, but the creativity to get the ball to Westbrook was non-existent. Don't get me started on clock and challenge decisions - abysmal.Putting it all together, the Eagles still had the ball and 4 minutes to go need a TD to win. That's a manageable NFL situation for a good team. They did not finish well, which is a testament to where they are.I could see them getting 10 wins and eeking into the postseason, but to what end? I don't see them being that competitive against some of the upper teams like Carolina or Arizona - and certainly the Giants again. Call me pessimistic, but I'm trying to be a realist. I don't see this team as a SB challenger at all at this point and something needs to change.

 

[delusional]

Think this game sealed Reids fate at the end of the season

 

[renesauz]

Think this game sealed Reids fate at the end of the season

I can't see that. The team would have to implode. They play hard every game and have lost close games to good teams. While the heat is slowly turning up on AR, he's not in any danger yet.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Think this game sealed Reids fate at the end of the season

Lurie and Banner are way too loyal to Reid to give him the axe because of one mediocre-to-bad season. Even if they lost all their remaining games and finished 5-11, he would still not get the axe. It would take one or two repeat performances of that. (The Kotite situation, where he was axed after the team started 7-2 and lost its last 7 games, was different. Kotite was not Lurie's hire.) The team has not quit on Reid, and shows no signs of doing so. If Andy Reid is not the coach of the Eagles next year, it will be because he decided on his own to step down.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Think this game sealed Reids fate at the end of the season

I can't see that. The team would have to implode. They play hard every game and have lost close games to good teams. While the heat is slowly turning up on AR, he's not in any danger yet.

Despite what i would like to happen, AR is not going anywhere until he wants to OR until the team revolts against him (which aint happening). I hate to bring politics into this, but i see a lot of similarities, so... I view the Eagles FO, along with McNabb as sharing traits with the current Bush administration. They close down to anyone who questions them. They deny there is a problem when its obvious to every one that there is one. They release virtually no new information and just recycle ambiguous statements. And they think they've accomplished a lot more than they actually have

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The Eagles do need to change something. I agree the Reid shouldn't be replaced until a better option presents itself, but you cannot deny that a shakeup is needed. Something is just not clicking for this team. McNabb thought he was a playmaker short and he was given DeSean - but it isn't enough.

Tell me how a team with such issues on short yardage and way too many 3-n-outs is going to do much of anything.

You can blame the defense for yielding 36 points last night, but it could easily have been 50.

Perhaps Jim Johnson needs to retire (again - who's the next option? Should it have been Spagnolo?). Perhaps Andy does need to give up the OC / play calling role (I wholeheartedly agree).

Reid is an overall plus for the Eagles, but on gameday he's not. In fact he may cost them more than he helps them on Sunday.

If a better OC and DC were available, I'd say that they should change that personnel grouping. It's also arguable that their front 4 on defense needs more bulk as they cannot stop the run - Giants or Redskins so far.

Add in a power RB and maybe you have something.

Right now? No, this team isn't going anywhere even if they do eek out 10 wins.

 

[renesauz]

The Eagles do need to change something. I agree the Reid shouldn't be replaced until a better option presents itself, but you cannot deny that a shakeup is needed. Something is just not clicking for this team. McNabb thought he was a playmaker short and he was given DeSean - but it isn't enough.Tell me how a team with such issues on short yardage and way too many 3-n-outs is going to do much of anything. You can blame the defense for yielding 36 points last night, but it could easily have been 50.Perhaps Jim Johnson needs to retire (again - who's the next option? Should it have been Spagnolo?). Perhaps Andy does need to give up the OC / play calling role (I wholeheartedly agree). Reid is an overall plus for the Eagles, but on gameday he's not. In fact he may cost them more than he helps them on Sunday.If a better OC and DC were available, I'd say that they should change that personnel grouping. It's also arguable that their front 4 on defense needs more bulk as they cannot stop the run - Giants or Redskins so far. Add in a power RB and maybe you have something.Right now? No, this team isn't going anywhere even if they do eek out 10 wins.

Although I'll also say that this same posting could have been made about the Giants last year at this time.The talent seems to be there. The team is in every game, and has had a chance to win every game. Every loss has been to a good team.While it's unlikely the team figures it out in time for a strong playoff run, it wouldn't exactly be unprecedented if they did.Didn't the Super Bowl team also struggle a bit in the first half of the season? (I know that team went 13-3, but it also played a much softer schedule and was not particularly overwhelming teams at this point in the season.)

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

The Eagles do need to change something. I agree the Reid shouldn't be replaced until a better option presents itself, but you cannot deny that a shakeup is needed. Something is just not clicking for this team. McNabb thought he was a playmaker short and he was given DeSean - but it isn't enough.Tell me how a team with such issues on short yardage and way too many 3-n-outs is going to do much of anything. You can blame the defense for yielding 36 points last night, but it could easily have been 50.Perhaps Jim Johnson needs to retire (again - who's the next option? Should it have been Spagnolo?). Perhaps Andy does need to give up the OC / play calling role (I wholeheartedly agree). Reid is an overall plus for the Eagles, but on gameday he's not. In fact he may cost them more than he helps them on Sunday.If a better OC and DC were available, I'd say that they should change that personnel grouping. It's also arguable that their front 4 on defense needs more bulk as they cannot stop the run - Giants or Redskins so far. Add in a power RB and maybe you have something.Right now? No, this team isn't going anywhere even if they do eek out 10 wins.

Although I'll also say that this same posting could have been made about the Giants last year at this time.The talent seems to be there. The team is in every game, and has had a chance to win every game. Every loss has been to a good team.While it's unlikely the team figures it out in time for a strong playoff run, it wouldn't exactly be unprecedented if they did.Didn't the Super Bowl team also struggle a bit in the first half of the season? (I know that team went 13-3, but it also played a much softer schedule and was not particularly overwhelming teams at this point in the season.)

they started out 7-0 in the SB year and eventually got to 13-1 before 2 late loses while resting players. As for the Giants last year, with the exception of the first two games, they had a solid D and great running game, but they just weren't winning games. Opportunistic defense and the running game win championships and the Eagles have neither.I just dont understand why the FO is so stubborn in their view that they do not need a playmaker.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The Eagles do need to change something. I agree the Reid shouldn't be replaced until a better option presents itself, but you cannot deny that a shakeup is needed. Something is just not clicking for this team. McNabb thought he was a playmaker short and he was given DeSean - but it isn't enough.Tell me how a team with such issues on short yardage and way too many 3-n-outs is going to do much of anything. You can blame the defense for yielding 36 points last night, but it could easily have been 50.Perhaps Jim Johnson needs to retire (again - who's the next option? Should it have been Spagnolo?). Perhaps Andy does need to give up the OC / play calling role (I wholeheartedly agree). Reid is an overall plus for the Eagles, but on gameday he's not. In fact he may cost them more than he helps them on Sunday.If a better OC and DC were available, I'd say that they should change that personnel grouping. It's also arguable that their front 4 on defense needs more bulk as they cannot stop the run - Giants or Redskins so far. Add in a power RB and maybe you have something.Right now? No, this team isn't going anywhere even if they do eek out 10 wins.

Although I'll also say that this same posting could have been made about the Giants last year at this time.The talent seems to be there. The team is in every game, and has had a chance to win every game. Every loss has been to a good team.While it's unlikely the team figures it out in time for a strong playoff run, it wouldn't exactly be unprecedented if they did.Didn't the Super Bowl team also struggle a bit in the first half of the season? (I know that team went 13-3, but it also played a much softer schedule and was not particularly overwhelming teams at this point in the season.)

they started out 7-0 in the SB year and eventually got to 13-1 before 2 late loses while resting players. As for the Giants last year, with the exception of the first two games, they had a solid D and great running game, but they just weren't winning games. Opportunistic defense and the running game win championships and the Eagles have neither.I just dont understand why the FO is so stubborn in their view that they do not need a playmaker.

I think you missed my point.They GOT a playmaker in DeSean - and he isn't the DIFFERENCE maker.There are more problems for this team than any one player can fix. An uberQB wouldn't stop the run. An uberDT cannot lead a two-minute drive. An uberCoach cannot do either by himself.The "I need a playmaker" statement is a misdirection by Donovan that the problem doesn't lie with him at all. Part of the issue is Donovan, but that isn't the entire problem.

 

[GoBirds]

Marty needs to go, thats where we can start.

 

[phillyfan72]

Tough loss for the Eagles for sure. I was very puzzled by the play calling and poor clock managament.

This loss goes squarely at the feet of their Defense. Yeah, the Offense looked sluggish in the first quarter, but the D constantly looked a half step behind on every play. The D-line was getting blown up every play.

Plenty of blame to go around.Haven't miuddled through the game thread yet, but:

The facemask call on Stewart Bradley - bad call.

The reverse of the Eli pass was the dagger. Terrible reversal on that call (red line, unofficial, PLUS not indisputable evidence - that's supposed to be a non-overturn).

Regardless of calls, the offense was "3 and out" way too much. And the D couldn't stop the run and had to blitz to have a shot.

They do get credit for making the Gaints take "3" vs. "7" in the first half twice, but they were over-taxed for sure.

The playcalling to get the ball in DeSean's hands was good, but the creativity to get the ball to Westbrook was non-existent.

Don't get me started on clock and challenge decisions - abysmal.

Putting it all together, the Eagles still had the ball and 4 minutes to go need a TD to win. That's a manageable NFL situation for a good team. They did not finish well, which is a testament to where they are.

I could see them getting 10 wins and eeking into the postseason, but to what end? I don't see them being that competitive against some of the upper teams like Carolina or Arizona - and certainly the Giants again. Call me pessimistic, but I'm trying to be a realist. I don't see this team as a SB challenger at all at this point and something needs to change.

This is what gets me riled up the most. I am as big a fan of the Eagles, and #5, but they can never seem to score at the end of a game when the game is on the line, and I put that at the feet of McNabb. He will put up great stats, but when you need a clutch TD, he's not capable of producing. When they were driving and the clock was ticking towards 2:00, they stood there and let 20+ seconds roll off the clock to the 2 minute warning b/c McNabb was tired and wasn't ready to run a play. Then they come back from the 2 minute warning, and call 2 running plays??? Every time they have needed a big score or a 1st down at the end of a game, AR has been calling running plays, he is taking the ball out of McNabb's hands. Does he not have faith in him either? Look at last night's game, look at Chicago's goal line stand against us weeks ago, something is just not clicking, and as big a fan of McNabb as I am, I think it's him.

 

[mudshark]

Tough loss for the Eagles for sure. I was very puzzled by the play calling and poor clock managament.

This loss goes squarely at the feet of their Defense. Yeah, the Offense looked sluggish in the first quarter, but the D constantly looked a half step behind on every play. The D-line was getting blown up every play.

Plenty of blame to go around.Haven't miuddled through the game thread yet, but:

The facemask call on Stewart Bradley - bad call.

The reverse of the Eli pass was the dagger. Terrible reversal on that call (red line, unofficial, PLUS not indisputable evidence - that's supposed to be a non-overturn).

Regardless of calls, the offense was "3 and out" way too much. And the D couldn't stop the run and had to blitz to have a shot.

They do get credit for making the Gaints take "3" vs. "7" in the first half twice, but they were over-taxed for sure.

The playcalling to get the ball in DeSean's hands was good, but the creativity to get the ball to Westbrook was non-existent.

Don't get me started on clock and challenge decisions - abysmal.

Putting it all together, the Eagles still had the ball and 4 minutes to go need a TD to win. That's a manageable NFL situation for a good team. They did not finish well, which is a testament to where they are.

I could see them getting 10 wins and eeking into the postseason, but to what end? I don't see them being that competitive against some of the upper teams like Carolina or Arizona - and certainly the Giants again. Call me pessimistic, but I'm trying to be a realist. I don't see this team as a SB challenger at all at this point and something needs to change.

This is what gets me riled up the most. I am as big a fan of the Eagles, and #5, but they can never seem to score at the end of a game when the game is on the line, and I put that at the feet of McNabb. He will put up great stats, but when you need a clutch TD, he's not capable of producing. When they were driving and the clock was ticking towards 2:00, they stood there and let 20+ seconds roll off the clock to the 2 minute warning b/c McNabb was tired and wasn't ready to run a play. Then they come back from the 2 minute warning, and call 2 running plays??? Every time they have needed a big score or a 1st down at the end of a game, AR has been calling running plays, he is taking the ball out of McNabb's hands. Does he not have faith in him either? Look at last night's game, look at Chicago's goal line stand against us weeks ago, something is just not clicking, and as big a fan of McNabb as I am, I think it's him.

To paraphrase Ray Didinger (who to me is the best at breaking down the Eagles - objectively) this is a passing team. You can not get down to the goal line, with the game on the line, and suddenly expect to be able to pound the ball. They need to establish the run during the course of the game so you can rely on it when you need it. But to ignore the running game then to call on it in crucial spots is ridiculous.

 

[Dr. J]

Tough loss for the Eagles for sure. I was very puzzled by the play calling and poor clock managament.

This loss goes squarely at the feet of their Defense. Yeah, the Offense looked sluggish in the first quarter, but the D constantly looked a half step behind on every play. The D-line was getting blown up every play.

Plenty of blame to go around.Haven't miuddled through the game thread yet, but:

The facemask call on Stewart Bradley - bad call.

The reverse of the Eli pass was the dagger. Terrible reversal on that call (red line, unofficial, PLUS not indisputable evidence - that's supposed to be a non-overturn).

Regardless of calls, the offense was "3 and out" way too much. And the D couldn't stop the run and had to blitz to have a shot.

They do get credit for making the Gaints take "3" vs. "7" in the first half twice, but they were over-taxed for sure.

The playcalling to get the ball in DeSean's hands was good, but the creativity to get the ball to Westbrook was non-existent.

Don't get me started on clock and challenge decisions - abysmal.

Putting it all together, the Eagles still had the ball and 4 minutes to go need a TD to win. That's a manageable NFL situation for a good team. They did not finish well, which is a testament to where they are.

I could see them getting 10 wins and eeking into the postseason, but to what end? I don't see them being that competitive against some of the upper teams like Carolina or Arizona - and certainly the Giants again. Call me pessimistic, but I'm trying to be a realist. I don't see this team as a SB challenger at all at this point and something needs to change.

This is what gets me riled up the most. I am as big a fan of the Eagles, and #5, but they can never seem to score at the end of a game when the game is on the line, and I put that at the feet of McNabb. He will put up great stats, but when you need a clutch TD, he's not capable of producing. When they were driving and the clock was ticking towards 2:00, they stood there and let 20+ seconds roll off the clock to the 2 minute warning b/c McNabb was tired and wasn't ready to run a play. Then they come back from the 2 minute warning, and call 2 running plays??? Every time they have needed a big score or a 1st down at the end of a game, AR has been calling running plays, he is taking the ball out of McNabb's hands. Does he not have faith in him either? Look at last night's game, look at Chicago's goal line stand against us weeks ago, something is just not clicking, and as big a fan of McNabb as I am, I think it's him.

To paraphrase Ray Didinger (who to me is the best at breaking down the Eagles - objectively) this is a passing team. You can not get down to the goal line, with the game on the line, and suddenly expect to be able to pound the ball. They need to establish the run during the course of the game so you can rely on it when you need it. But to ignore the running game then to call on it in crucial spots is ridiculous.

Can't blame #5 for those uninspired runs at the end there.

 

[delusional]

Play calling and talent development are the two big problems.

When normal fans are able to predict what plays are going to happen during an Eagles game, something has to change. When you draft a big back, then put him to fb, then cut him and replace him with a DT that couldnt make it at FB beginning of the season...well yea.

He was never a good coach when it came to gameplan, adjustments and playcalling. It was overlooked early though because the East just wasn't good for alot of years. Now the east is good.

Basically they have to bring in a GOOD O Cord and Reid has to give up the play calling duties. The guy has too many hands in the candy jar.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Basically they have to bring in a GOOD O Cord and Reid has to give up the play calling duties. The guy has too many hands in the candy jar.

Well then I guess the good news is that Reid certainly knows how to get his hands out of the candy jar as well.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Tough loss for the Eagles for sure. I was very puzzled by the play calling and poor clock managament.

This loss goes squarely at the feet of their Defense. Yeah, the Offense looked sluggish in the first quarter, but the D constantly looked a half step behind on every play. The D-line was getting blown up every play.

Plenty of blame to go around.Haven't miuddled through the game thread yet, but:

The facemask call on Stewart Bradley - bad call.

The reverse of the Eli pass was the dagger. Terrible reversal on that call (red line, unofficial, PLUS not indisputable evidence - that's supposed to be a non-overturn).

Regardless of calls, the offense was "3 and out" way too much. And the D couldn't stop the run and had to blitz to have a shot.

They do get credit for making the Gaints take "3" vs. "7" in the first half twice, but they were over-taxed for sure.

The playcalling to get the ball in DeSean's hands was good, but the creativity to get the ball to Westbrook was non-existent.

Don't get me started on clock and challenge decisions - abysmal.

Putting it all together, the Eagles still had the ball and 4 minutes to go need a TD to win. That's a manageable NFL situation for a good team. They did not finish well, which is a testament to where they are.

I could see them getting 10 wins and eeking into the postseason, but to what end? I don't see them being that competitive against some of the upper teams like Carolina or Arizona - and certainly the Giants again. Call me pessimistic, but I'm trying to be a realist. I don't see this team as a SB challenger at all at this point and something needs to change.

This is what gets me riled up the most. I am as big a fan of the Eagles, and #5, but they can never seem to score at the end of a game when the game is on the line, and I put that at the feet of McNabb. He will put up great stats, but when you need a clutch TD, he's not capable of producing. When they were driving and the clock was ticking towards 2:00, they stood there and let 20+ seconds roll off the clock to the 2 minute warning b/c McNabb was tired and wasn't ready to run a play. Then they come back from the 2 minute warning, and call 2 running plays??? Every time they have needed a big score or a 1st down at the end of a game, AR has been calling running plays, he is taking the ball out of McNabb's hands. Does he not have faith in him either? Look at last night's game, look at Chicago's goal line stand against us weeks ago, something is just not clicking, and as big a fan of McNabb as I am, I think it's him.

To paraphrase Ray Didinger (who to me is the best at breaking down the Eagles - objectively) this is a passing team. You can not get down to the goal line, with the game on the line, and suddenly expect to be able to pound the ball. They need to establish the run during the course of the game so you can rely on it when you need it. But to ignore the running game then to call on it in crucial spots is ridiculous.

This is the third game where this has cost them

 

[renesauz]

As frustrated as we all feel....it's worth noting that every loss was a close, tough one to a good team and the Eagles are 5-4.

There really is time to get it together and make a push. The margin of error is shrinking, but there is still time, and more then enough talent on the team.

Whoever is calling the offensive plays is the biggest thing needing to change.

 

[scratcher]

As frustrated as we all feel....it's worth noting that every loss was a close, tough one to a good team and the Eagles are 5-4.There really is time to get it together and make a push. The margin of error is shrinking, but there is still time, and more then enough talent on the team.Whoever is calling the offensive plays is the biggest thing needing to change.

I would agree but I just don't have that good feeling about this team that I usually do. Every week, I think there is a high chance they can blow it. And if it's ever close, I'm certain they will blow it. I miss the team of a few years ago that just inspired confidence. The most frustrating thing is I think the talent is there but they are just not performing like they should. And that comes down to coaching...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

As frustrated as we all feel....it's worth noting that every loss was a close, tough one to a good team and the Eagles are 5-4.There really is time to get it together and make a push. The margin of error is shrinking, but there is still time, and more then enough talent on the team.Whoever is calling the offensive plays is the biggest thing needing to change.

If they go 5-2 the rest of the way I'll feel better.I don't believe that will happen.They'll beat CIN and probably CLE, but find me three more winsBALAZ@NYG@WASHDALBest candidated are BAL, AZ and DAL, but I really don't buy it right now. Only missing Portis would give the Eagles the edge on Washington (which could happen).If they lose at Baltimore, write them off.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

 

[Meat]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Tie, Eagles tie....

 

[Slider]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Today they called 61 pass plays and 17 runs...in a game that was close...when McNabb was clearly having a bad day from the start...and with the wind blowing fairly hard all dayEither Reid has been dipping into his son's stash or he has completely lost his mind.

 

[renesauz]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Today they called 61 pass plays and 17 runs...in a game that was close...when McNabb was clearly having a bad day from the start...and with the wind blowing fairly hard all dayEither Reid has been dipping into his son's stash or he has completely lost his mind.

Agreed. Pathetic play-calling. Never even gave the running game a chance to get going in what might have been one of McNabb's worst games ever as a pro.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Today they called 61 pass plays and 17 runs...in a game that was close...when McNabb was clearly having a bad day from the start...and with the wind blowing fairly hard all dayEither Reid has been dipping into his son's stash or he has completely lost his mind.

Agreed. Pathetic play-calling. Never even gave the running game a chance to get going in what might have been one of McNabb's worst games ever as a pro.

The thing that is most frustrating for me is that the Eagles could have been a dominant team this year. I really like their D this year, Special Teams is finally average, and the WRs are ok to slightly above average. I really like what Baskett, Avant, and DJ have been doing this year when given a chance. Its as if Reid, Marty, and McNabb are just trying to create an 8-8 team.

 

[Meat]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Today they called 61 pass plays and 17 runs...in a game that was close...when McNabb was clearly having a bad day from the start...and with the wind blowing fairly hard all dayEither Reid has been dipping into his son's stash or he has completely lost his mind.

Agreed. Pathetic play-calling. Never even gave the running game a chance to get going in what might have been one of McNabb's worst games ever as a pro.

The thing that is most frustrating for me is that the Eagles could have been a dominant team this year. I really like their D this year, Special Teams is finally average, and the WRs are ok to slightly above average. I really like what Baskett, Avant, and DJ have been doing this year when given a chance. Its as if Reid, Marty, and McNabb are just trying to create an 8-8 team.

They're doing a fantastic job of doing just that.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Today they called 61 pass plays and 17 runs...in a game that was close...when McNabb was clearly having a bad day from the start...and with the wind blowing fairly hard all dayEither Reid has been dipping into his son's stash or he has completely lost his mind.

Agreed. Pathetic play-calling. Never even gave the running game a chance to get going in what might have been one of McNabb's worst games ever as a pro.

The thing that is most frustrating for me is that the Eagles could have been a dominant team this year. I really like their D this year, Special Teams is finally average, and the WRs are ok to slightly above average. I really like what Baskett, Avant, and DJ have been doing this year when given a chance. Its as if Reid, Marty, and McNabb are just trying to create an 8-8 team.

Well I think 8-8 is now out the window.......

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

How does McNabb not know the game will end at 0:00 in OT?

What are the coaches doing in not telling him that?

Does anyone know anything on that sideline?

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

How does McNabb not know the game will end at 0:00 in OT?What are the coaches doing in not telling him that?Does anyone know anything on that sideline?

I'm not afraid to admit that they have had me fooled for years. I've been bundled up in a blanket of ignorance in thinking that Reid, McNabb, and the FO were a lot smrter than the rest of us. I thought "oh wow, look at how well they manage the Cap" AND "The West Coast Offense doesn't need a stud WR". And theni see things like how Klecko is the 2nd highest paid player on the team this year, and how McNabb doesnt know the OT rules, and how Reid has never EVER said one intelligent thing at a press conference. Better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you're a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. yeahhhh, uhhhh, Andy and McNabb, you should just go back to keeping your mouth shut

 

[TCFF]

I was at the game today and you know your in a bad place when Bengals fans are taking pity on you. A few things were very obvious:

1. Eagles D was far and away the best unit on the field. They kept us in the game despite all of McNabb's turnovers and the many 3 and outs.

2. Eagles O was far and away the worst.

3. The play calling was terrible.

4. McNabb should never start a game for Philadelphia after this season.

5. Klecko is not a FB

6. We miss Shaun Andrews, badly.

7. Andy Reid is just not a good coach anymore.

It is time for the Eagles to turn the page. I just don't see this team being relevent again until McNabb and Reid are gone.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

How does McNabb not know the game will end at 0:00 in OT?What are the coaches doing in not telling him that?Does anyone know anything on that sideline?

I'm not afraid to admit that they have had me fooled for years. I've been bundled up in a blanket of ignorance in thinking that Reid, McNabb, and the FO were a lot smrter than the rest of us. I thought "oh wow, look at how well they manage the Cap" AND "The West Coast Offense doesn't need a stud WR". And theni see things like how Klecko is the 2nd highest paid player on the team this year, and how McNabb doesnt know the OT rules, and how Reid has never EVER said one intelligent thing at a press conference. Better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you're a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. yeahhhh, uhhhh, Andy and McNabb, you should just go back to keeping your mouth shut

Klecko isn't getting that salary. Double-check that one there - as it is a contract / salary cap ploy.Plenty of other reasons to dislike what's going on though.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

How does McNabb not know the game will end at 0:00 in OT?What are the coaches doing in not telling him that?Does anyone know anything on that sideline?

I'm not afraid to admit that they have had me fooled for years. I've been bundled up in a blanket of ignorance in thinking that Reid, McNabb, and the FO were a lot smrter than the rest of us. I thought "oh wow, look at how well they manage the Cap" AND "The West Coast Offense doesn't need a stud WR". And theni see things like how Klecko is the 2nd highest paid player on the team this year, and how McNabb doesnt know the OT rules, and how Reid has never EVER said one intelligent thing at a press conference. Better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you're a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. yeahhhh, uhhhh, Andy and McNabb, you should just go back to keeping your mouth shut

Klecko isn't getting that salary. Double-check that one there - as it is a contract / salary cap ploy.Plenty of other reasons to dislike what's going on though.

probably. i just call em like i see em. Granted, what you see isnt always actually there .

 

[delusional]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Um McNabb MADE Reid look great all these years. They ran 5 freaking times in the 1st half against one of the worse run defenses in the league while having a healthy #2 back in Buck back there who has been doing NOTHING BUT PRODUCING. Reid has lost it completely. He lost his team too i believe. As for Kolb, what has he shown to make you think he would be better then McNabb right now with this current play calling? McNabb is the QB that gives us the best chance to win. Sadly our coaching is a big speed bump in the chance of winning area too. I mean ffs. These script plays at the beginning of the game for the past few games have been horrid yet reid won't step away from it. Buck should be the running back right now has westbrook has been hurt for a good amount this season and is still hurt. Even Marty said last week he wants to run the ball more and get buck involved in the run game. Yet Reid overtakes play calling.I don't care how this season ends, there needs to be and will be alot of turnover in the offseason. From front office to players. Going to need OTs since Runyan and Thomas are mid 30s. Need a OG because of Andrews ( i don't see him being around much longer with his mental state and back ). Fullback...check. RB...Westy and Buck are both old ( in RB terms ) and West has been hurt way to much lately. Booker is non exsistent and will be cut ( should never have been traded for ) . Going to need 2 TEs since Smith is a failure and schobel is crap. Then you look on defense. Do they bring in a BIG DT? Dawkins age has shown alot this season, i don't see him being back. Going to need another corner because Hanson got burned by TJ all day today. Probably some shakeup at DE again since that is their M.O. Coverage LB because Gocong is basically a DE & he can not cover TEs at all. Toss in a kicker too.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Um McNabb MADE Reid look great all these years. They ran 5 freaking times in the 1st half against one of the worse run defenses in the league while having a healthy #2 back in Buck back there who has been doing NOTHING BUT PRODUCING. Reid has lost it completely. He lost his team too i believe. As for Kolb, what has he shown to make you think he would be better then McNabb right now with this current play calling? McNabb is the QB that gives us the best chance to win. Sadly our coaching is a big speed bump in the chance of winning area too. I mean ffs. These script plays at the beginning of the game for the past few games have been horrid yet reid won't step away from it. Buck should be the running back right now has westbrook has been hurt for a good amount this season and is still hurt. Even Marty said last week he wants to run the ball more and get buck involved in the run game. Yet Reid overtakes play calling.I don't care how this season ends, there needs to be and will be alot of turnover in the offseason. From front office to players. Going to need OTs since Runyan and Thomas are mid 30s. Need a OG because of Andrews ( i don't see him being around much longer with his mental state and back ). Fullback...check. RB...Westy and Buck are both old ( in RB terms ) and West has been hurt way to much lately. Booker is non exsistent and will be cut ( should never have been traded for ) . Going to need 2 TEs since Smith is a failure and schobel is crap. Then you look on defense. Do they bring in a BIG DT? Dawkins age has shown alot this season, i don't see him being back. Going to need another corner because Hanson got burned by TJ all day today. Probably some shakeup at DE again since that is their M.O. Coverage LB because Gocong is basically a DE & he can not cover TEs at all. Toss in a kicker too.

From what i could tell, it was Marty calling the plays today. Every time they showed Reid in between plays on O, he wasnt saying anything, just listening.As for the positions they will need next year, i think that just about covers it, though i disagree with CB. I mean, if having 3 pro bowl CBs isnt good enough, i dont know what is. How Hanson got stuck on TJ all day is absolutely incredible. I think this is absolutely the game (post game presser and all) that finished off this team. I think we're going to see a complete free fall the rest of this year. Hope i am wrong, but i think it gets ugly for the next 6 weeks.

 

[rockalum]

i wish they'd have lost. i hate to say that but i really wanted to see graham hit that FG. the eagles didn't deserve to win. at least the bengals played hard,

there aer 6 games left. there's no way kolb is going to start any of them unless mcnabb gets hurt.

i don't know if kolb could do any better. not sure how much worse he could do, though. and, since it seems almost unanimous that mcnabb is gone in 2009, i want to see what kolb can do for at least 4 games before the time comes. it was one game last year that gave the packers the confidence to cut favre loose and go with rodgers. let's see if the eagles can do the same.

 

[delusional]

How much more proof do we need that McNabb has checked out from his NFL career? he's just collecting a paycheck at this point

I know I'd be ok at seeing Kolb at this point.

Reid will look great again when we get McNabb off the field. Nobody is afraid of him anymore and he kills the D with his 3 and outs. That the Bengals backup threw one more completion with 14 less throws is pathetic.

Um McNabb MADE Reid look great all these years. They ran 5 freaking times in the 1st half against one of the worse run defenses in the league while having a healthy #2 back in Buck back there who has been doing NOTHING BUT PRODUCING. Reid has lost it completely. He lost his team too i believe. As for Kolb, what has he shown to make you think he would be better then McNabb right now with this current play calling? McNabb is the QB that gives us the best chance to win. Sadly our coaching is a big speed bump in the chance of winning area too. I mean ffs. These script plays at the beginning of the game for the past few games have been horrid yet reid won't step away from it. Buck should be the running back right now has westbrook has been hurt for a good amount this season and is still hurt. Even Marty said last week he wants to run the ball more and get buck involved in the run game. Yet Reid overtakes play calling.I don't care how this season ends, there needs to be and will be alot of turnover in the offseason. From front office to players. Going to need OTs since Runyan and Thomas are mid 30s. Need a OG because of Andrews ( i don't see him being around much longer with his mental state and back ). Fullback...check. RB...Westy and Buck are both old ( in RB terms ) and West has been hurt way to much lately. Booker is non exsistent and will be cut ( should never have been traded for ) . Going to need 2 TEs since Smith is a failure and schobel is crap. Then you look on defense. Do they bring in a BIG DT? Dawkins age has shown alot this season, i don't see him being back. Going to need another corner because Hanson got burned by TJ all day today. Probably some shakeup at DE again since that is their M.O. Coverage LB because Gocong is basically a DE & he can not cover TEs at all. Toss in a kicker too.

From what i could tell, it was Marty calling the plays today. Every time they showed Reid in between plays on O, he wasnt saying anything, just listening.As for the positions they will need next year, i think that just about covers it, though i disagree with CB. I mean, if having 3 pro bowl CBs isnt good enough, i dont know what is. How Hanson got stuck on TJ all day is absolutely incredible. I think this is absolutely the game (post game presser and all) that finished off this team. I think we're going to see a complete free fall the rest of this year. Hope i am wrong, but i think it gets ugly for the next 6 weeks.

See the thing is. Marty wanted ( said it the past two weeks ) to run the ball more. He said he wanted to get Buck involved after Bucks one game when he started. Andy is the type of coach who WILL take over play calling in the middle of the game if he seems fit. Every thing goes through him.As for CB. Yes we have Sam Brown and Shep but do you think Shep will be back next year? Only guy we have to look back on is that rookie with the broken leg they drafted in the 5th round. Jack Ikegwuonu. Yes they drafted a DB who couldnt walk.What is pissing me off is how Dave Spadaro over at the eagles forum ( eagles pr guy kinda ) posted a front page article that basically tossed mcnabb under the bus. When in all honesty, this season has not been his fault completely. It looks like they are going to start doing this to ease into McNabb getting released in the offseason. Which I think would be a mistake.As much credit as Reid gets for the early years ( which i think is too much credit ) he is not nearly getting enough blame for the bad years. I mean look at it. Reid always ran a complicated ( hard playbook apparently ) WCO. In a WCO you need tall recievers, pass catching RB, big back/FB, play making TE & a accurate QB that can run. Granted McNabb could run and Westy/Duce could catch passes. Outside of that....has Reid ever giving McNabb what he needed? It is like he is dislexic(sp?) when it comes to scheme.Also if the division was as strong as it is now, back in the early years, do you think Reid would have been exposed alot sooner? I think so.They have the most of the weapons to compete. Buck has proven to be a decent #2 when called upon but he hasn't been called on when he should have been this season. Basket and Avant are good WRs but hardly see the field. Curtis was brought back too early I think and Brown is just not good. Celek has shown he is a good TE but since Smith was franchise, they will play him over Celek. We had a big back in Hunt but we all know the FB story.Just saw this at foxsports too.Andy Reid's Eagles have hit a plateauYou know it's bad when in back-to-back weeks, opposing defenders are quoited as saying your offense is too predictable. Andy Reid and rest of the Eagles braintrust have to get out of denial — they need a major organizational change. Sure their approach dominated the NFC East and the conference in the early part of this decade, but also at a time when the division and conference were at its weakest points in years. Most notably, the lack of a power running game has cost Philly three games this season and Reid himself may need to give up some GM or coaching duties at this point.Andy Lyon - Getty Images

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

What is pissing me off is how Dave Spadaro over at the eagles forum ( eagles pr guy kinda ) posted a front page article that basically tossed mcnabb under the bus. When in all honesty, this season has not been his fault completely. It looks like they are going to start doing this to ease into McNabb getting released in the offseason. Which I think would be a mistake.

and so the spin begins to jettison McNabb after this year while allowing AR and the entire FO to stay put.IMO, this team lost its way when they decided to get rid of Garcia and keep McNabb. Garcia may go off script too much for Reid's taste, but he runs the WCO more effectively than McNabb could ever dream of.

 

[JAA]

What is pissing me off is how Dave Spadaro over at the eagles forum ( eagles pr guy kinda ) posted a front page article that basically tossed mcnabb under the bus. When in all honesty, this season has not been his fault completely. It looks like they are going to start doing this to ease into McNabb getting released in the offseason. Which I think would be a mistake.

and so the spin begins to jettison McNabb after this year while allowing AR and the entire FO to stay put.IMO, this team lost its way when they decided to get rid of Garcia TO and keep McNabb. Garcia may go off script too much for Reid's taste, but he runs the WCO more effectively than McNabb could ever dream of.

fixed

 

[Manster]

wow. seems like you fans feel that the wheels are comin off in philly. is it really that bad? things can take 180 degree turn in a week or two in the NFL. yea, the eagles looked bad yesterday, especially mcnabb, but cincy has played the NFC East very tough this yr.

maybe you guys are mostly blowin off steam after a tough tie. at least mcnabb knows ties are a possible outcome in an NFL game now.

 

[mudshark]

wow. seems like you fans feel that the wheels are comin off in philly. is it really that bad? things can take 180 degree turn in a week or two in the NFL. yea, the eagles looked bad yesterday, especially mcnabb, but cincy has played the NFC East very tough this yr.maybe you guys are mostly blowin off steam after a tough tie. at least mcnabb knows ties are a possible outcome in an NFL game now.

Its more than a tough tie to a bad Bengals team. Its been a tough 3 1/2 seasons. Assuming they don't make the playoffs this year (which looks like a safe assumption right now), they have won 1 playoff game over the last 4 seasons. And it doesn't look like they're going in the right direction to give us hope for next year.Does anyone remember when Tom Modrak was let go and when the scouting department was overhauled? 2002?

 

[delusional]

wow. seems like you fans feel that the wheels are comin off in philly. is it really that bad? things can take 180 degree turn in a week or two in the NFL. yea, the eagles looked bad yesterday, especially mcnabb, but cincy has played the NFC East very tough this yr.maybe you guys are mostly blowin off steam after a tough tie. at least mcnabb knows ties are a possible outcome in an NFL game now.

Its not blowing off steam. It really is a crap fest here. National media and analysts are starting to finally call out Reid. I personally want Reid gone. Who will fill his shoes? I don't care, ill do it. Ill smack the Ask Madden button and put out a better gameplan then he could. He is one of the most overated coaches in the game today. He didn't get the Eagles to the division titles and such. McNabb did with a crap supporting cast. I mean seriously, westbrook is not healthy so they abandon the run game altogether when they have a healthy and product back in Buck. Reid gameplanned against Cinns pass D because he said it was their weakness....their run D is like 26th in the league while the pass is like 10 or something. Reid = exposedThe whole front office needs to be overhauled. I think it is more then just Reid. Alot has to do with Banner. Only reason they traded out the first the past two years is because Banner didn't want to pay 1st round contracts with the impending possible no cap limit year coming up. Position coaches, Offensive coach, special teams coach, head coach need to be let go. I actually feel bad for the players and young guys they came through here and did nothing because they were here. Hunt could have been a good back. Instead we get booker? and he was deactivated recently. We got Celek and the only reason he was used is because LJ Smith was hurt at times...again. Gah now I am fuming. Just looking at that game makes you think how the hell Reid is still coach as of today after everything that has happend the past 3-4 years. Only positive i see from this season is Reid walks and the Eagles hire spag from NY ( who is a former eagle coach himself ).I mean FFS go look at tape from the end of the game sunday ( end of OT ). Lewis was walking to midfield and Reid was still standing on the sideline, headset on, with that "surprised" look on his face. He had no idea the game was over. How the fck can you as a head coach not know the game ends in a tie after 1 OT

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I mean FFS go look at tape from the end of the game sunday ( end of OT ). Lewis was walking to midfield and Reid was still standing on the sideline, headset on, with that "surprised" look on his face. He had no idea the game was over. How the fck can you as a head coach not know the game ends in a tie after 1 OT

I didnt see that part, but i was thinking along those lines today too. I dont think Reid knew the OT rules either. How else could you possibly explain the OT play calling and the fact that a good portion fo the team didnt know the rule?I wont run off any one player or coach because of one mistake. But, this is the culmination of 4 years of growing incompetence where McNabb has grown old before our very eyes and Reid has obviously been passed by most of the other coaches in the league

 

[Bushead]

I mean FFS go look at tape from the end of the game sunday ( end of OT ). Lewis was walking to midfield and Reid was still standing on the sideline, headset on, with that "surprised" look on his face. He had no idea the game was over. How the fck can you as a head coach not know the game ends in a tie after 1 OT

I didnt see that part, but i was thinking along those lines today too. I dont think Reid knew the OT rules either. How else could you possibly explain the OT play calling and the fact that a good portion fo the team didnt know the rule?I wont run off any one player or coach because of one mistake. But, this is the culmination of 4 years of growing incompetence where McNabb has grown old before our very eyes and Reid has obviously been passed by most of the other coaches in the league

I don't disagree with a lot of what is said here, but really, you don't think Reid knew? He called the Hail Mary just to try to catch the Bengles off guard?

 

[fred_1_15301]

I mean FFS go look at tape from the end of the game sunday ( end of OT ). Lewis was walking to midfield and Reid was still standing on the sideline, headset on, with that "surprised" look on his face. He had no idea the game was over. How the fck can you as a head coach not know the game ends in a tie after 1 OT

I didnt see that part, but i was thinking along those lines today too. I dont think Reid knew the OT rules either. How else could you possibly explain the OT play calling and the fact that a good portion fo the team didnt know the rule?I wont run off any one player or coach because of one mistake. But, this is the culmination of 4 years of growing incompetence where McNabb has grown old before our very eyes and Reid has obviously been passed by most of the other coaches in the league

I don't disagree with a lot of what is said here, but really, you don't think Reid knew? He called the Hail Mary just to try to catch the Bengles off guard?

Whoever called the last play certainly knew the game could end in a tie otherwise that play would not have been called.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Going to need another corner because Hanson got burned by TJ all day today.

That's a scheme issue, not a personnel issue. It was absolutely insane that our #4 CB was in single coverage on their #1 WR on a number of plays, including the TD. Hanson is no great shakes but he's no worse than any other #4 CB in the league. It's up to the coaches to put him in situations where he can succeed, and they failed miserably. Now, if Lito walks, we could use a #3 CB -- though I guess that's what they drafted Ikegwonu for. The bigger issue in the secondary is at safety. Dawkins is just about done as an every-down player. He can still make hits and stop the run, but he can't cover very well anymore. Why didn't we take Eric Weddle with the pick we used on Kolb in 2007?