** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (3 Viewers)

[BuddyKnuckles]

I mean FFS go look at tape from the end of the game sunday ( end of OT ). Lewis was walking to midfield and Reid was still standing on the sideline, headset on, with that "surprised" look on his face. He had no idea the game was over. How the fck can you as a head coach not know the game ends in a tie after 1 OT

I didnt see that part, but i was thinking along those lines today too. I dont think Reid knew the OT rules either. How else could you possibly explain the OT play calling and the fact that a good portion fo the team didnt know the rule?I wont run off any one player or coach because of one mistake. But, this is the culmination of 4 years of growing incompetence where McNabb has grown old before our very eyes and Reid has obviously been passed by most of the other coaches in the league

I don't disagree with a lot of what is said here, but really, you don't think Reid knew? He called the Hail Mary just to try to catch the Bengles off guard?

Whoever called the last play certainly knew the game could end in a tie otherwise that play would not have been called.

Not necessarily. If they thought that you started over for a 2nd OT and that possession did not carry over, then the hail mary call fits.I'm not saying yet that Reid didnt know, but his press conferences after the game and then again on Monday are pointing toward him not knowing

 

[renesauz]

As for CB. Yes we have Sam Brown and Shep but do you think Shep will be back next year? Only guy we have to look back on is that rookie with the broken leg they drafted in the 5th round. Jack Ikegwuonu. Yes they drafted a DB who couldnt walk.

Umm....you make it sound like this was a terrible draft pick. To be fair, the guy would have been a late first/early second without the injury. IMO, that's worth a fifth round pick even if you have to wait a year for a return on the investment. It made even more sense this year since we had a ton of picks and not really a ton of roster slots to fit them into. Add in the Shepard thing..and this looks like a great pick to me.

 

[renesauz]

Going to need another corner because Hanson got burned by TJ all day today.

That's a scheme issue, not a personnel issue. It was absolutely insane that our #4 CB was in single coverage on their #1 WR on a number of plays, including the TD. Hanson is no great shakes but he's no worse than any other #4 CB in the league. It's up to the coaches to put him in situations where he can succeed, and they failed miserably. Now, if Lito walks, we could use a #3 CB -- though I guess that's what they drafted Ikegwonu for. The bigger issue in the secondary is at safety. Dawkins is just about done as an every-down player. He can still make hits and stop the run, but he can't cover very well anymore. Why didn't we take Eric Weddle with the pick we used on Kolb in 2007?

:( TJ caught a ton of passes, but did very little with them. Seems like they used Hanson with help over the top. Eagles D played great, and the scheme obviously worked...after all, the Bengals scored only 13 points at home, and that's after beeing spotted 3 turnovers, one at the 1 yard line and another in FG range.Hanson is a decent young corner. He'll never be an all-pro, but he's a solid 3 or 4.

 

[Demian]

As for CB. Yes we have Sam Brown and Shep but do you think Shep will be back next year? Only guy we have to look back on is that rookie with the broken leg they drafted in the 5th round. Jack Ikegwuonu. Yes they drafted a DB who couldnt walk.

Umm....you make it sound like this was a terrible draft pick. To be fair, the guy would have been a late first/early second without the injury. IMO, that's worth a fifth round pick even if you have to wait a year for a return on the investment. It made even more sense this year since we had a ton of picks and not really a ton of roster slots to fit them into. Add in the Shepard thing..and this looks like a great pick to me.

It made sense then or now? Now it looks like they could have much rather used a FB, TE, OL, or S that could be contributing.

 

[renesauz]

As for CB. Yes we have Sam Brown and Shep but do you think Shep will be back next year? Only guy we have to look back on is that rookie with the broken leg they drafted in the 5th round. Jack Ikegwuonu. Yes they drafted a DB who couldnt walk.

Umm....you make it sound like this was a terrible draft pick. To be fair, the guy would have been a late first/early second without the injury. IMO, that's worth a fifth round pick even if you have to wait a year for a return on the investment. It made even more sense this year since we had a ton of picks and not really a ton of roster slots to fit them into. Add in the Shepard thing..and this looks like a great pick to me.

It made sense then or now? Now it looks like they could have much rather used a FB, TE, OL, or S that could be contributing.

Mostly then, but in the fifth round, what selection would have made sense even with the benefit of hindsight (as it relates to current team needs, not how the rookies have played)?How many fifth round and down players could be reasonably counted on to fill a team need (excepting Punters/PK's)? We took players at all of those positions except FB and TE as it is. While LJ Smith has been a dissapointment, Celek has progressed, and no TE from that point in the draft could have even remotely been relied upon.

So...Then , and now, even with the benefit of hindsight, it seems a pretty good pick to me.

 

[delusional]

I am not overly worried about the defense. I think they are part of the reasons they have what? 5 wins. The normal fill in the pieces thing will do but some scheme will have to change a tad.

Offense and play calling is where help is needed

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

D Hermit, whats the grapevine saying these days? Is there as much frustration in house as there is outside the Novacare?

 

[Billy Bats]

Is this team serious? Is this organization serious? The GM doesn't start a season with a legit punt returner one year, and follows that up with not having a legit FB on the roster the next. This coming after you've given your starting RB big money, maybe you want to block for the guy? Trades out of the first round two years running. Franchise LJ Smith? Ok. You have a coach that's been in place for 10 years who still has no idea what a timeout is used for or what plays to challenge. He has a playbook that takes 3 years to master but calls an end around 3-4 times a game. He'll call 58 pass plays against the 25th ranked run defense, in windy conditions and a struggling QB. Defensive players from the worst d's in the league know what play is coming. The starting QB has been playing football all his life and doesn't know an NFL game can finish as a tie and worries aloud about a SUper Bowl tie. He still throws a 95mph slant pass. He has been playing for a coach for 10 years and they still have delay of game penalties or call timeouts regularly from not getting the play in on time. They run the two minute drill like they're winning by 10. I could go on.

What the #### is going on with this organization? Reid looks dumber and dumber every week and he's bringing McNabb down with him. I'm done with this era. Time to make some changes. Whether you strip Reids personnel decisions or remove him from the sidelines, something needs to be done. At worst you clean house but I doubt that happens. They still have the next franchise QB they've been grooming so it won't happen. But shake things up, and not just assistants, Reid needs to be removed from some repsonsiblity within the organization.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

As for CB. Yes we have Sam Brown and Shep but do you think Shep will be back next year? Only guy we have to look back on is that rookie with the broken leg they drafted in the 5th round. Jack Ikegwuonu. Yes they drafted a DB who couldnt walk.

Umm....you make it sound like this was a terrible draft pick. To be fair, the guy would have been a late first/early second without the injury. IMO, that's worth a fifth round pick even if you have to wait a year for a return on the investment. It made even more sense this year since we had a ton of picks and not really a ton of roster slots to fit them into. Add in the Shepard thing..and this looks like a great pick to me.

It made sense then or now? Now it looks like they could have much rather used a FB, TE, OL, or S that could be contributing.

Mostly then, but in the fifth round, what selection would have made sense even with the benefit of hindsight (as it relates to current team needs, not how the rookies have played)?How many fifth round and down players could be reasonably counted on to fill a team need (excepting Punters/PK's)? We took players at all of those positions except FB and TE as it is. While LJ Smith has been a dissapointment, Celek has progressed, and no TE from that point in the draft could have even remotely been relied upon.

So...Then , and now, even with the benefit of hindsight, it seems a pretty good pick to me.

The pick was actually smart as there was no way they'd keep all the rookies that they picked.They got to red shirt this kid by putting him on IR for the year.

 

[phillyfan72]

Is this team serious? Is this organization serious? The GM doesn't start a season with a legit punt returner one year, and follows that up with not having a legit FB on the roster the next. This coming after you've given your starting RB big money, maybe you want to block for the guy? Trades out of the first round two years running. Franchise LJ Smith? Ok. You have a coach that's been in place for 10 years who still has no idea what a timeout is used for or what plays to challenge. He has a playbook that takes 3 years to master but calls an end around 3-4 times a game and throws the ball 58 times against the 25th ranked defense with his QB struggling. The starting QB has been playing football all his life and doesn't know an NFL game has ties and worries aloud about a SUper Bowl tie. He still throws a 95mph slant pass. He has been playing for a coach for 10 years and they still have delay of game penalties or call timeouts regularly from not getting the play in on time. They run the two minute drill like they're winning by 10. I could go on.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[mudshark]

Watching Daily News Live on Comcast Sports Net...per Ray Didinger, the Eagles are 1-10-1 in their last 12 games decided by 7 points or less. That says something about coaching.

ETA more stats courtesy of DNL:

Since opening day of 2007, Eagles and Giants have outscored their opponents by 4.3 PPG. The Giants are 22-7 in that span, the Eagles are 13-12.

From 1999-2004: 0.666 win pct, 7-5 playoff record, 29-13 in the division

From 2005-present: 0.500 win pct, 1-1 playoff record, 7-14 in the division

 

[delusional]

As for CB. Yes we have Sam Brown and Shep but do you think Shep will be back next year? Only guy we have to look back on is that rookie with the broken leg they drafted in the 5th round. Jack Ikegwuonu. Yes they drafted a DB who couldnt walk.

Umm....you make it sound like this was a terrible draft pick. To be fair, the guy would have been a late first/early second without the injury. IMO, that's worth a fifth round pick even if you have to wait a year for a return on the investment. It made even more sense this year since we had a ton of picks and not really a ton of roster slots to fit them into. Add in the Shepard thing..and this looks like a great pick to me.

It made sense then or now? Now it looks like they could have much rather used a FB, TE, OL, or S that could be contributing.

Mostly then, but in the fifth round, what selection would have made sense even with the benefit of hindsight (as it relates to current team needs, not how the rookies have played)?How many fifth round and down players could be reasonably counted on to fill a team need (excepting Punters/PK's)? We took players at all of those positions except FB and TE as it is. While LJ Smith has been a dissapointment, Celek has progressed, and no TE from that point in the draft could have even remotely been relied upon.

So...Then , and now, even with the benefit of hindsight, it seems a pretty good pick to me.

The pick was actually smart as there was no way they'd keep all the rookies that they picked.They got to red shirt this kid by putting him on IR for the year.

If you are rebuilding it is smart. Eagles were constantly talking about how it was superbowl or bust. I am curious to see who they take in this years draft

 

[The Noid]

/thread

See ya in the '09 off-season thread.

 

[delusional]

/thread

/mcnabb sadly

 

[scratcher]

I blame Reid for everything. Arrogant piece of ish.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I was at the game today. Reasonably good turnout by Eagles fans.

Offense was predictable and putrid in the first half.

Kevin Curtis was a mess, lacking effort at times and then getign open deep but instade McNabb threw a pick.

On all of the INTs there were better places to go with the ball and Mcnabb missed open receivers. For example, the jump ball to the right towards DeSean on 3rd and short, Westbrook was uncovered over the midle. Awful decision to throw deep for essentially a punt.

2nd half - what? McNabb out? Why? It's 10-7 and yes he didn't look good, but it is 10-7 and Philly gets the ball. What's going on?

The game had several chances - first, the blocked punt for a safety. A smart coach quick punts on 3rd and impossible (3rd/22 or so) from your own 5. Instead they throw incomplete and two points come next play.

Still not dead, Philly has the ball down by 15 at the 1-yd line in the 4th. Actually maybe 1-foot line. A leap by Westbrook scores it, but a 5-yard out that goes for a Pick 6 - 14 point swing and the rout is on.

The game was closer than that as the defense actually played well (Baltimore didn't gain a ton of yards) but four turnovers early killed them. I lost track of the final numbers of it.

McNabb? Who knows. I think he starts Thursday, but I really don't know.

Kolb? Bad way to judge him. A game, on the road, without a week to prep as a starter, and to come in cold from the cold? Against the Ravens' defense? Not a great way to basically start your career. That's a very good reason (quick redemption, possibly) for him to start Thursday night.

That's probably it - Kolb could be the QB against Arizona.

Regardless - season's over. Drive home safely.

(Although if anyone has 2 extra tickets for Thursday night PM me )

 

[delusional]

I was at the game today. Reasonably good turnout by Eagles fans.Offense was predictable and putrid in the first half. Kevin Curtis was a mess, lacking effort at times and then getign open deep but instade McNabb threw a pick.On all of the INTs there were better places to go with the ball and Mcnabb missed open receivers. For example, the jump ball to the right towards DeSean on 3rd and short, Westbrook was uncovered over the midle. Awful decision to throw deep for essentially a punt.2nd half - what? McNabb out? Why? It's 10-7 and yes he didn't look good, but it is 10-7 and Philly gets the ball. What's going on? The game had several chances - first, the blocked punt for a safety. A smart coach quick punts on 3rd and impossible (3rd/22 or so) from your own 5. Instead they throw incomplete and two points come next play.Still not dead, Philly has the ball down by 15 at the 1-yd line in the 4th. Actually maybe 1-foot line. A leap by Westbrook scores it, but a 5-yard out that goes for a Pick 6 - 14 point swing and the rout is on.The game was closer than that as the defense actually played well (Baltimore didn't gain a ton of yards) but four turnovers early killed them. I lost track of the final numbers of it.McNabb? Who knows. I think he starts Thursday, but I really don't know.Kolb? Bad way to judge him. A game, on the road, without a week to prep as a starter, and to come in cold from the cold? Against the Ravens' defense? Not a great way to basically start your career. That's a very good reason (quick redemption, possibly) for him to start Thursday night.That's probably it - Kolb could be the QB against Arizona.Regardless - season's over. Drive home safely.(Although if anyone has 2 extra tickets for Thursday night PM me :( )

Crap, ignore my PM about the tickets lol i thought YOU had them lol.So who do the eagles pick up at RB? They have two...a hurt ### westbrook and a deactivated rb in booker. Think Hunt gets a call?

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I was at the game today. Reasonably good turnout by Eagles fans.Offense was predictable and putrid in the first half. Kevin Curtis was a mess, lacking effort at times and then getign open deep but instade McNabb threw a pick.On all of the INTs there were better places to go with the ball and Mcnabb missed open receivers. For example, the jump ball to the right towards DeSean on 3rd and short, Westbrook was uncovered over the midle. Awful decision to throw deep for essentially a punt.2nd half - what? McNabb out? Why? It's 10-7 and yes he didn't look good, but it is 10-7 and Philly gets the ball. What's going on? The game had several chances - first, the blocked punt for a safety. A smart coach quick punts on 3rd and impossible (3rd/22 or so) from your own 5. Instead they throw incomplete and two points come next play.Still not dead, Philly has the ball down by 15 at the 1-yd line in the 4th. Actually maybe 1-foot line. A leap by Westbrook scores it, but a 5-yard out that goes for a Pick 6 - 14 point swing and the rout is on.The game was closer than that as the defense actually played well (Baltimore didn't gain a ton of yards) but four turnovers early killed them. I lost track of the final numbers of it.McNabb? Who knows. I think he starts Thursday, but I really don't know.Kolb? Bad way to judge him. A game, on the road, without a week to prep as a starter, and to come in cold from the cold? Against the Ravens' defense? Not a great way to basically start your career. That's a very good reason (quick redemption, possibly) for him to start Thursday night.That's probably it - Kolb could be the QB against Arizona.Regardless - season's over. Drive home safely.(Although if anyone has 2 extra tickets for Thursday night PM me )

Crap, ignore my PM about the tickets lol i thought YOU had them lol.So who do the eagles pick up at RB? They have two...a hurt ### westbrook and a deactivated rb in booker. Think Hunt gets a call?

they wont pick up anyone. Reid wil just need to "coach em up better" and "put them in a better position". He's so far into his protective shell that he fails to see the reality of the situation(s) right now

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Here is Kolb's quote after the game..

Said Kolb, “It’s a difficult situation to be put into, but that’s your job. As a second-string quarterback you are one play away. Everybody knows that. You have to be prepared for that and you have to go in and do a better job than what I did. I think Andy understands we have to win now. He allowed me to do that and I didn’t win the football game. I’ll go back, look at what I did wrong and get better.”

OH NOES!!11!! He sounds just like Reid already and he's only had one post game press conference

 

[Chunky Soup]

wtf is next?

 

[Chunky Soup]

2009 UFAs:

(not updated, ie, Roy E. Williams)

Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears

Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots

J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills

Kyle Orton, UFA, Chicago Bears

Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos

Brandon Jacobs, UFA, New York Giants

J.J. Arrington, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Correll Buckhalter, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles

Jesse Chatman, UFA, New York Jets

Heath Evans, UFA, New England Patriots

Ryan Moats, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles

Maurice Morris, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Darren Sproles, UFA, San Diego Chargers

Aaron Stecker, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Ricky Williams, UFA, Miami Dolphins

Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

T.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals

Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles

Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots

Dante' Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams

Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys

Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Ashley Lelie, UFA, San Francisco 49ers

Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions

Koren Robinson, UFA, Green Bay Packers

Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants

Roy Williams, UFA, Detriot Lions

Roydell Williams, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Cedrick Wilson, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Desmond Clark, UFA, Chicago Bears

Will Heller, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Eric Johnson, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Jeff King, RFA, Carolina Panthers

Jim Kleinsasser, UFA, Minnesota Vikings

Leonard Pope, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Daniel Wilcox, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Matt Birk, UFA, Minnesota Vikings

Marc Colombo, UFA, Dallas Cowboys

Mike Goff, UFA, San Diego Chargers

Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers

Mark Tauscher, UFA, Green Bay Packers

Stacy Andrews, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals

Jordan Black, UFA, Houston Texans

Vernon Carey, UFA, Miami Dolphins

George Foster, UFA, Detroit Lions

Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Pete Kendall, UFA, Washington Redskins

Seth McKinney, UFA, Cleveland Browns

Jon Runyan, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles

Tra Thomas, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles

Fred Weary, UFA, Houston Texans

John Welbourn, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs

Julius Peppers, UFA, Carolina Panthers

Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

onathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons

Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions

Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys

John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals

Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets

Karlos Dansby, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Ray Lewis, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars

Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Jordan Beck, UFA, Denver Broncos

Monty Beisel, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Angelo Crowell, UFA, Buffalo Bills

Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins

James Farrior, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Tyjuan Hagler, UFA, Indianapolis Colts

Willie McGinest, UFA, Cleveland Browns

Carlos Polk, UFA, San Diego Chargers

Sam Williams, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Nnamdi Asomugha, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears

Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles

Chris Gamble, UFA, Carolina Panthers

Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens

Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans

yron Brackenridge, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs

Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears

Phillip Buchanon, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jabari Greer, UFA, Buffalo Bills

Rodney Harrison, UFA, New England Patriots

Kelvin Hayden, UFA, Indianapolis Colts

Renaldo Hill, UFA, Miami Dolphins

Daven Holly, UFA, Cleveland Browns

John Lynch, UFA, Denver Broncos

Bryant McFadden, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

R.W. McQuarters, UFA, New York Giants

Justin Miller, UFA, New York Jets

Lawyer Milloy, UFA, Atlanta Falcons

Deltha O'Neal, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals

Jarrad Page, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs

Allen Rossum, UFA, San Francisco 49ers

Darren Sharper, UFA, Darren Sharper

from http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/rb.html

 

[Manster]

i love watching the wheels come off in philly!

 

[Jason Wood]

Ugly few weeks to be sure. I felt that as long as Andy was willing, he and McNabb would be at the forefront of Philly regardless of what fans hoped for. But this week's benching and FAR MORE IMPORTANTLY the news that he had Pat Shurmur notify McNabb of the benching tell me that things are different now. While I realize Eagles fans largely want McNabb AND Reid gone [be careful what you wish for], I expect Donnie Mac will move on in 2009 while Andy will stay and retool.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

1. Why is Sean Considine still on this team?

2. Andy Reid is so wrong that he can't even do the right thing right. The way the offense has been going, the time to raise the white flag and play Kolb was coming soon. But to make the decision at halftime of a three-point game? Against one of the league's best defenses? And then not tell the QBs yourself? It makes no sense.

3. The playcalling continues to be abominable. I think our opponents know our offense better than we do at this point. All the throws on short yardage are particularly frustrating.

4. I still dunno if Lurie has the guts to fire Reid, but at the very least he should be stripped of some of his duties in the offseason, as Holmgren was a few years ago. As de facto GM/coach/playcaller, Reid spread himself too thin, and it shows. (That is the only time you'll ever see the word "thin" in a passage about Andy Reid.)

5. The sad thing is, the defense is pretty good, except when they face a dominant OL like the Giants'. But age, injuries, poor QB play, and horrendous playcalling have made the offense one of the worst in the league the past few weeks. The OL needs to be rebuilt, and Westbrook's eventual successor needs to be on this team next year.

6. Why is Greg Lewis still on this team?

 

[The Noid]

Did he explain what he was trying to challenge the first time he was denied by the refs?

 

[Bushead]

Reid just announced McNabb will start Thursday

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

McNabb's a scapegoat right now for Reid.

As much as I am not thrilled with McNabb, the Eagles do not have a viable alternative.

Is he overpaid? Absolutely.

Is he the best available QB for them? Absolutely.

Many teams will be hunting QBs as there are just not that many out there. Kolb should get some playing time this year (likely a game or two) once the Eagles realize that they are out of it.

Reid's the biggest problem here and it's up to Lurie and Banner to figure that out. If McNabb leaves and Reid stays, that's a double-whammy.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

D Hermit, whats the grapevine saying these days? Is there as much frustration in house as there is outside the Novacare?

Oh yeah, there's frustration. It's pretty telling that they didn't even have a decision as to who to start this week until early Monday morning. Supposedly several coaches wanted them to move on and start Kolb while most of the FO wanted McNabb. My guess is that Kolb finishes the last three games of the season unless McNabb can somehow win the next two games and look good doing it. Mark my words though, the next loss will probably be McNabb's last start as an Eagle.

 

[scratcher]

D Hermit, whats the grapevine saying these days? Is there as much frustration in house as there is outside the Novacare?

Oh yeah, there's frustration. It's pretty telling that they didn't even have a decision as to who to start this week until early Monday morning. Supposedly several coaches wanted them to move on and start Kolb while most of the FO wanted McNabb. My guess is that Kolb finishes the last three games of the season unless McNabb can somehow win the next two games and look good doing it. Mark my words though, the next loss will probably be McNabb's last start as an Eagle.

Is there ANY chance that Reid or at least Marty is out of here in 09?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

D Hermit, whats the grapevine saying these days? Is there as much frustration in house as there is outside the Novacare?

Oh yeah, there's frustration. It's pretty telling that they didn't even have a decision as to who to start this week until early Monday morning. Supposedly several coaches wanted them to move on and start Kolb while most of the FO wanted McNabb. My guess is that Kolb finishes the last three games of the season unless McNabb can somehow win the next two games and look good doing it. Mark my words though, the next loss will probably be McNabb's last start as an Eagle.

Especially if they lose Thursday, then Kolb gets 10 days for the next one (but a tough trip to the Meadowlands for the Giants).I think Kolb starts vs. Cleveland on Monday night instead for the final three games.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

D Hermit, whats the grapevine saying these days? Is there as much frustration in house as there is outside the Novacare?

Oh yeah, there's frustration. It's pretty telling that they didn't even have a decision as to who to start this week until early Monday morning. Supposedly several coaches wanted them to move on and start Kolb while most of the FO wanted McNabb. My guess is that Kolb finishes the last three games of the season unless McNabb can somehow win the next two games and look good doing it. Mark my words though, the next loss will probably be McNabb's last start as an Eagle.

Is there ANY chance that Reid or at least Marty is out of here in 09?

IMO, McNabb won't be the only one to fall on Reid's sword. I bet Marty will be sprucing up his resume as well. I don't have 'official' word on this since that info comes way up high in the organization. While my buddy answers directly to Reid and Banner, he is not privy to coaching staff firings and the like.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

D Hermit, whats the grapevine saying these days? Is there as much frustration in house as there is outside the Novacare?

Oh yeah, there's frustration. It's pretty telling that they didn't even have a decision as to who to start this week until early Monday morning. Supposedly several coaches wanted them to move on and start Kolb while most of the FO wanted McNabb. My guess is that Kolb finishes the last three games of the season unless McNabb can somehow win the next two games and look good doing it. Mark my words though, the next loss will probably be McNabb's last start as an Eagle.

Especially if they lose Thursday, then Kolb gets 10 days for the next one (but a tough trip to the Meadowlands for the Giants).I think Kolb starts vs. Cleveland on Monday night instead for the final three games.

That's my thoughts as well. I actually went back in and put PROBABLY because I noticed the next game is the NYG. They'll probably let McNabb get battered by that D one last time for old times sake.

 

[eoMMan]

Matt Cassel with be a free agent.....

Thoughts?

 

[Chunky Soup]

Matt Cassel with be a free agent.....Thoughts?

So will Jeff Garcia

 

[scratcher]

Matt Cassel with be a free agent.....Thoughts?

Only if he brings his buddy Randy with him.

 

[delusional]

They are going to need more then Cassel. Who will want alot in FA.

Some rumors are now Andrews is done playing football...period. Frankly it wouldnt shock me. He went into that whole thing last year crying saying to wish him luck, his career might be over. Then he was diagnosed with depression. Now his back surgery, he is still in california cause it is taking longer to heal. Then rumors of him not being an eagle anymore in the future pop up.

This team is going to need ALOT more then a QB. Pretty much an entire O Line because the backups are busts even ( thanks reid ). ..Blah gets me mad thinking about this.

In other news

After thanking reporters for their birthday wishes yesterday, McNabb was asked how he found out he was again the starter. Of course, the subtext here was that Andy Reid sent quarterbacks coach Pat Shurmur to tell McNabb he was being benched in Baltimore.

“I was told by the janitor. Me and him have a pretty good relationship around here. It was a pretty good conversation we had,” McNabb said.

 

[crewmember]

Matt Cassel with be a free agent.....Thoughts?

So will Jeff Garcia

Garcia is the man, he's just a winner. The Steve Nash of football I say, does things a bit goofy but gets the ball where it needs to go.

 

[delusional]

Some food for thought.

Asante is out tonight......so Hanson is going to replace him. The same guy who Housh burned for like 140 in the Cinn game.

Not only that, they finally activated Eckel ( FB ) but at the same time deactivated the only decent TE option we have in Celek...and more then likely will go with 6 WRs.

Oh yea, Shawn Andrews is still not on the IR.

 

[jasvic]

Am I the only one tired of watching Lito get burned every week and just look awful after his crying all off season? You'd think he'd step up his game this year to prove something and either get paid or get moved, but he just looks like a bum to me.

 

[scratcher]

Am I the only one tired of watching Lito get burned every week and just look awful after his crying all off season? You'd think he'd step up his game this year to prove something and either get paid or get moved, but he just looks like a bum to me.

I'm surprised to see Joselio outplaying him as well... Good thing we have Jack for next year. I dont know where Lito is planning to get a new contract but it wont be from here.

 

[delusional]

Some food for thought. Asante is out tonight......so Hanson is going to replace him. The same guy who Housh burned for like 140 in the Cinn game. Not only that, they finally activated Eckel ( FB ) but at the same time deactivated the only decent TE option we have in Celek...and more then likely will go with 6 WRs. Oh yea, Shawn Andrews is still not on the IR.

Hmm lets see. Hanson did ok tonight surprisingly. At least better then Lito, who just wants a ticket out of town now apparently. Man, would have been nice to see Eckel a few games ago. Guess reports were wrong on Celek being deactivated.Still baffled on Andrews thing. Glad to see marty play calling...cant believe i am saying that but he calls a better game then reid. The guy looked like a kid on christmas after some plays westbrook ran. Oline is going to be a big concern this offseason. I still don't want reid anywhere near a playbook or scheme anymore.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Notes: Eagles right guard Max Jean-Gilles, starting for the injured Shawn Andrews, will miss the rest of the season after breaking his right ankle. Nick Cole took his spot. ... The Eagles swept the NFC West, a feat they also accomplished in 2002. ... Westbrook passed Timmy Brown for first place on the club's career list with 27 TD catches by a running back. ... Eagles S Brian Dawkins made his 34th interception, tying the team record shared by Eric Allen and Bill Bradley.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Some food for thought. Asante is out tonight......so Hanson is going to replace him. The same guy who Housh burned for like 140 in the Cinn game. Not only that, they finally activated Eckel ( FB ) but at the same time deactivated the only decent TE option we have in Celek...and more then likely will go with 6 WRs. Oh yea, Shawn Andrews is still not on the IR.

Hmm lets see. Hanson did ok tonight surprisingly. At least better then Lito, who just wants a ticket out of town now apparently. Man, would have been nice to see Eckel a few games ago. Guess reports were wrong on Celek being deactivated.Still baffled on Andrews thing. Glad to see marty play calling...cant believe i am saying that but he calls a better game then reid. The guy looked like a kid on christmas after some plays westbrook ran. Oline is going to be a big concern this offseason. I still don't want reid anywhere near a playbook or scheme anymore.

So, if Marty is calling the plays, and the assistant coaches tell players important things (like they're getting benched), and guys like Banner and Heckert handle personnel issues/moves, then WTF does Reid do? I never understood this. Reid says he isn't big on pre/postgame speeches so he's clearly not responsible motivating his team. He doesnt call plays. He doesnt make personnel decisions. Seriously, what does he do?

 

[scratcher]

Division Leaders

NFC East - New York Giants (10-1)

NFC North- Chicago Bears (6-5)

NFC South - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (8-3)

NFC West- Arizona Cardinals (7-5)

In the Hunt

Carolina Panthers (8-3)

Dallas Cowboys (8-4)

Washington Redskins (7-4)

Atlanta Falcons (7-4)

Hanging Around

Minnesota Vikings (6-5)

New Orleans Saints (6-5)

Philadelphia Eagles (6-5-1)

Green Bay Packers (5-6)

Copied that from another thread.

I can't believe I'm actually discussing playoff possibilities this season but... it looks like IF we win out we would need:

Dallas to lose 1 game (PIT, BAL, NYG) - very possible

Redskins to lose 1 game (NYG, BAL, CIN, SF) - possible

ATL - Need to lose 2 games (SD, NO, TB, MIN, STL) - possible as well

NO - Need to lose 1 game (TB, ATL, CHI, DET, CAR) - possible

TB - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely

Car - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely

Vikings and Bears - doesnt matter - one will be the division winner and one is out tomorrow after they play eachother.

That is all IF WE WIN OUT. 4 of the above need to happen for us to get in. It seems likely that Car will be a wildcard and TB will win the division or vice versa. That leaves one wildcard spot. That means the first 4 things need to happen. I think its not so farfetched, what do you guys think?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Division LeadersNFC East - New York Giants (10-1)NFC North- Chicago Bears (6-5)NFC South - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (8-3)NFC West- Arizona Cardinals (7-5)In the HuntCarolina Panthers (8-3)Dallas Cowboys (8-4)Washington Redskins (7-4)Atlanta Falcons (7-4)Hanging AroundMinnesota Vikings (6-5)New Orleans Saints (6-5)Philadelphia Eagles (6-5-1)Green Bay Packers (5-6)Copied that from another thread.I can't believe I'm actually discussing playoff possibilities this season but... it looks like IF we win out we would need: Dallas to lose 1 game (PIT, BAL, NYG) - very possible Redskins to lose 1 game (NYG, BAL, CIN, SF) - possible ATL - Need to lose 2 games (SD, NO, TB, MIN, STL) - possible as well NO - Need to lose 1 game (TB, ATL, CHI, DET, CAR) - possible TB - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely Car - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely Vikings and Bears - doesnt matter - one will be the division winner and one is out tomorrow after they play eachother. That is all IF WE WIN OUT. 4 of the above need to happen for us to get in. It seems likely that Car will be a wildcard and TB will win the division or vice versa. That leaves one wildcard spot. That means the first 4 things need to happen. I think its not so farfetched, what do you guys think?

As strange as it sounds, if Philly wins out they should make it.All I can say is that if the Eagles go on a 5-game tear, no team will want to face them.To make it even crazier, if (1)Tampa beats the Saints this week, (2) the Giants beat the Redskins and (3) San Diego tops the Falcons, all that would need to happen would be a Dallas loss and the Saints over Atlanta next week to give Philadelphia control of their own destiny.Of course they have to beat the Giants for any of it to matter.

 

[Manster]

Division LeadersNFC East - New York Giants (10-1)NFC North- Chicago Bears (6-5)NFC South - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (8-3)NFC West- Arizona Cardinals (7-5)In the HuntCarolina Panthers (8-3)Dallas Cowboys (8-4)Washington Redskins (7-4)Atlanta Falcons (7-4)Hanging AroundMinnesota Vikings (6-5)New Orleans Saints (6-5)Philadelphia Eagles (6-5-1)Green Bay Packers (5-6)Copied that from another thread.I can't believe I'm actually discussing playoff possibilities this season but... it looks like IF we win out we would need: Dallas to lose 1 game (PIT, BAL, NYG) - very possible Redskins to lose 1 game (NYG, BAL, CIN, SF) - possible ATL - Need to lose 2 games (SD, NO, TB, MIN, STL) - possible as well NO - Need to lose 1 game (TB, ATL, CHI, DET, CAR) - possible TB - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely Car - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely Vikings and Bears - doesnt matter - one will be the division winner and one is out tomorrow after they play eachother. That is all IF WE WIN OUT. 4 of the above need to happen for us to get in. It seems likely that Car will be a wildcard and TB will win the division or vice versa. That leaves one wildcard spot. That means the first 4 things need to happen. I think its not so farfetched, what do you guys think?

i'm biased, but i think the Cowboys grab the other wildcard. i wouldnt have said that a couple weeks ago, but they are starting to click on offense and defense.the Eagles played a great game this week, but it's too little too late. and are they going to play this well consistently?

 

[scratcher]

Division LeadersNFC East - New York Giants (10-1)NFC North- Chicago Bears (6-5)NFC South - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (8-3)NFC West- Arizona Cardinals (7-5)In the HuntCarolina Panthers (8-3)Dallas Cowboys (8-4)Washington Redskins (7-4)Atlanta Falcons (7-4)Hanging AroundMinnesota Vikings (6-5)New Orleans Saints (6-5)Philadelphia Eagles (6-5-1)Green Bay Packers (5-6)Copied that from another thread.I can't believe I'm actually discussing playoff possibilities this season but... it looks like IF we win out we would need: Dallas to lose 1 game (PIT, BAL, NYG) - very possible Redskins to lose 1 game (NYG, BAL, CIN, SF) - possible ATL - Need to lose 2 games (SD, NO, TB, MIN, STL) - possible as well NO - Need to lose 1 game (TB, ATL, CHI, DET, CAR) - possible TB - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely Car - Need to lose 3 games - unlikely Vikings and Bears - doesnt matter - one will be the division winner and one is out tomorrow after they play eachother. That is all IF WE WIN OUT. 4 of the above need to happen for us to get in. It seems likely that Car will be a wildcard and TB will win the division or vice versa. That leaves one wildcard spot. That means the first 4 things need to happen. I think its not so farfetched, what do you guys think?

i'm biased, but i think the Cowboys grab the other wildcard. i wouldnt have said that a couple weeks ago, but they are starting to click on offense and defense.the Eagles played a great game this week, but it's too little too late. and are they going to play this well consistently?

probably not but just discussing possibilities. we'll see how they do against the tough NFC east defenses.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Seriously, they played great against Arizona, but I can't seeing them ripping off 3 straight NFC East divisional games. Winning 3 out of 4 here will be impressive IMO.

 

[scratcher]

What do you guys make of benching Gaither for Jordan? Doesn't seem like Jordan is doing too bad but I thought Gaither was playing well this year. Then there's the story of Gaither refusing his lowball contract extension offer. I do remember Lito talking about how the FO would cut people's playing time for refusing contract extensions..

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

GB fanboys. You guys are delusional...but whatever it takes for you to enjoy your Sundays for the next month.

Has anybody figured out just what Reid does as head coach? Other than order lots of take out.