** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Pasquino]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

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"For Who, For What?"

 

[JuniorNB]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

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"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

 

[Pickle Rody]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

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"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

Nope.....we are far and away the cream of the crop.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

Add AI to the list. Practice?

"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

Nope.....we are far and away the cream of the crop.

Did Barkly ever lose the love? I and i think most others always liked him, he is popular in town still. Schmidt is loved nowOwens lost the love (i miss him)Cunningham, i thought was always a fan favorite, just criticised for not winning but that was alot of Buddy's fault as wellLindros lost the love

 

[dotman]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

Sorry dot, no chance of that. You've got to deal with me for as long as there is an eagles team in philly. I know i'm not a better fan than just about anyone else (except for junior over there who i suspect is a steelers fan here to get us riled up). Probably shouldnt have posted that in my little rant, but i get ####ed when people fail to see the truth in front of them.And since when is a dissenting opinion proof of stupidity? You wouldn't happen to a hard core right winger would you? Thats so "43" of you...i dont agree, so i must be stupid, or racist. Next i suppose you'll call me unpatriotic and dismiss my opinion. Anyway, as for junior's request for my assessment of mcnabb since Baltimore, sure i have no problem with that. See, i can honestly look at my team without being a blind follower...Since Baltimore, McNabb has gone 110/171 for 1142 yds , 9tds and 1 INT. Pretty damn good by any standards. But that is not my point and hasnt been for this entire thread. see junior, if you were more interested in looking at the bigger picture instead of hurling insults and winning iArguments, you could see my point. In fact, i was on the McNabb bandwagon until Sept 16, 2008. Go ahead, look up the post in this thread...i'll wait. And of course, here is the main issue i have with McNabb. Something i have been saying consistently on this thread since i came to the realization of his limitations:

Donovan...chokes...in...the...clutch.Need more? Ok, this may hurt a bit...5 is the perfect QB for a philly sports team. He makes unbelievable plays, stomps on weak teams, and wins a lot of games. And then, when it matters most, when its time to bring a championship home to a city that desperately needs one, he will crush you. He will destroy your hopes and dreams of a parade down broad street with yet another bone headed mistake, mental fumble, or puke-fest in the huddle. He will gasp for breath, hands on his knees, showing us all what he had for lucnh that day. He will flash that smile when he misses yet another wide open receiver or bounces another ground ball down the field. Its ok though, why would anyone expect a guy with a 9 figure contract to step up and be the best?So yeah, lay off McNabb, he is exactly what you have come to expect from your sports teams and stars...second best.

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

 

[renesauz]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

Sorry dot, no chance of that. You've got to deal with me for as long as there is an eagles team in philly. I know i'm not a better fan than just about anyone else (except for junior over there who i suspect is a steelers fan here to get us riled up). Probably shouldnt have posted that in my little rant, but i get ####ed when people fail to see the truth in front of them.And since when is a dissenting opinion proof of stupidity? You wouldn't happen to a hard core right winger would you? Thats so "43" of you...i dont agree, so i must be stupid, or racist. Next i suppose you'll call me unpatriotic and dismiss my opinion. Anyway, as for junior's request for my assessment of mcnabb since Baltimore, sure i have no problem with that. See, i can honestly look at my team without being a blind follower...Since Baltimore, McNabb has gone 110/171 for 1142 yds , 9tds and 1 INT. Pretty damn good by any standards. But that is not my point and hasnt been for this entire thread. see junior, if you were more interested in looking at the bigger picture instead of hurling insults and winning iArguments, you could see my point. In fact, i was on the McNabb bandwagon until Sept 16, 2008. Go ahead, look up the post in this thread...i'll wait. And of course, here is the main issue i have with McNabb. Something i have been saying consistently on this thread since i came to the realization of his limitations:

Donovan...chokes...in...the...clutch.Need more? Ok, this may hurt a bit...5 is the perfect QB for a philly sports team. He makes unbelievable plays, stomps on weak teams, and wins a lot of games. And then, when it matters most, when its time to bring a championship home to a city that desperately needs one, he will crush you. He will destroy your hopes and dreams of a parade down broad street with yet another bone headed mistake, mental fumble, or puke-fest in the huddle. He will gasp for breath, hands on his knees, showing us all what he had for lucnh that day. He will flash that smile when he misses yet another wide open receiver or bounces another ground ball down the field. Its ok though, why would anyone expect a guy with a 9 figure contract to step up and be the best?So yeah, lay off McNabb, he is exactly what you have come to expect from your sports teams and stars...second best.

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

The problem BK is that you define big games as the Super Bowl, and.....nothing else. By your standards, only one QB in the NFL ends his season doing anything but "choke". An those standards are patently ridiculous.Every one of those games over the last 6 weeks was must win. Two were playoff games (I'm counting Dallas). McNabb was above average to great in all but one of them...no choking.His playoff record is outstanding. The choke label has very little basis outside of him puking in the Super Bowl. And that standard just seems.....wrong.To top it all off, this recent rash of anti-Buddyknuckles bashing has NOTHING to do with your general thoughts on McNabb (which you're entitled to have as a fan) or even your desire for a new QB....but because you LOOK FOR GARBAGE to post about your target that does not exist. We're three days from another playoff game and McNabb has been OUTSTANDING over the past 6 weeks. You twisted a news story and made it into something it clearly wasn't, calling the guy most responsible for the teams turnaround a whiner, screaming about this is why "philly" doesn't love him.Don't you find it ironic that McNabb's biggest bashers are Eagles fans? That the fans of virtually every other team laugh at us for bashing our stars?I'm sorry BK...I think you really do have a problem. You really are that abusive husband swearing their undying love. Just like them, you scream the loudest when anyone trys to tell you your brand of loyalty and love is poisonous and best left in your head...because we really don't want to hear it.

 

[Pickle Rody]

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

Please, please, please........start your very own Eagles bashing thread where other "fans" like you can smack away all you like. Heck, bring along all the Cowpokes, Deadskins and Gnats fans you can. Have a blast. You might even find some new "friends." I really don't care if your skin is red, yellow, blue or purple, so please don't bring it up again. We get it, you don't like McNabb.Will your pigeonholed opinion change if the Eagles win the Super Bowl? I doubt it very highly. You'll probably state that they won it in spite of McNabb. Even though the truth is that the Eagles would probably never have gotten a chance to win it without him.Yes, I truly believe the Eagles have a great chance to win the Super Bowl this year. I'm sure I'm one of only a few.

 

[renesauz]

Yes, I truly believe the Eagles have a great chance to win the Super Bowl this year. I'm sure I'm one of only a few.

You aren't, but I do think this week is the big hurdle. If AR can stay out of Marty's way and let him continue to call the plays on offense, then McNabb and co. will probably steamroll a struggling Carolina D or bad Arizona D. It's the NYG defense that has the potential to step up and slow us down if they're on our game (or we're off of ours). I worry more about big bruising backs then quick shifty ones. Jacobs could become a big factor if our Offense can't sustain drives enough to keep our D fresh.Win this week, keep Marty calling the O...and we'll likely play in the SB. But this week is no cakewalk......

 

[JuniorNB]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

Sorry dot, no chance of that. You've got to deal with me for as long as there is an eagles team in philly. I know i'm not a better fan than just about anyone else (except for junior over there who i suspect is a steelers fan here to get us riled up). Probably shouldnt have posted that in my little rant, but i get ####ed when people fail to see the truth in front of them.And since when is a dissenting opinion proof of stupidity? You wouldn't happen to a hard core right winger would you? Thats so "43" of you...i dont agree, so i must be stupid, or racist. Next i suppose you'll call me unpatriotic and dismiss my opinion. Anyway, as for junior's request for my assessment of mcnabb since Baltimore, sure i have no problem with that. See, i can honestly look at my team without being a blind follower...Since Baltimore, McNabb has gone 110/171 for 1142 yds , 9tds and 1 INT. Pretty damn good by any standards. But that is not my point and hasnt been for this entire thread. see junior, if you were more interested in looking at the bigger picture instead of hurling insults and winning iArguments, you could see my point. In fact, i was on the McNabb bandwagon until Sept 16, 2008. Go ahead, look up the post in this thread...i'll wait. And of course, here is the main issue i have with McNabb. Something i have been saying consistently on this thread since i came to the realization of his limitations:

Donovan...chokes...in...the...clutch.Need more? Ok, this may hurt a bit...5 is the perfect QB for a philly sports team. He makes unbelievable plays, stomps on weak teams, and wins a lot of games. And then, when it matters most, when its time to bring a championship home to a city that desperately needs one, he will crush you. He will destroy your hopes and dreams of a parade down broad street with yet another bone headed mistake, mental fumble, or puke-fest in the huddle. He will gasp for breath, hands on his knees, showing us all what he had for lucnh that day. He will flash that smile when he misses yet another wide open receiver or bounces another ground ball down the field. Its ok though, why would anyone expect a guy with a 9 figure contract to step up and be the best?So yeah, lay off McNabb, he is exactly what you have come to expect from your sports teams and stars...second best.

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

The problem BK is that you define big games as the Super Bowl, and.....nothing else. By your standards, only one QB in the NFL ends his season doing anything but "choke". An those standards are patently ridiculous.Every one of those games over the last 6 weeks was must win. Two were playoff games (I'm counting Dallas). McNabb was above average to great in all but one of them...no choking.His playoff record is outstanding. The choke label has very little basis outside of him puking in the Super Bowl. And that standard just seems.....wrong.To top it all off, this recent rash of anti-Buddyknuckles bashing has NOTHING to do with your general thoughts on McNabb (which you're entitled to have as a fan) or even your desire for a new QB....but because you LOOK FOR GARBAGE to post about your target that does not exist. We're three days from another playoff game and McNabb has been OUTSTANDING over the past 6 weeks. You twisted a news story and made it into something it clearly wasn't, calling the guy most responsible for the teams turnaround a whiner, screaming about this is why "philly" doesn't love him.Don't you find it ironic that McNabb's biggest bashers are Eagles fans? That the fans of virtually every other team laugh at us for bashing our stars?I'm sorry BK...I think you really do have a problem. You really are that abusive husband swearing their undying love. Just like them, you scream the loudest when anyone trys to tell you your brand of loyalty and love is poisonous and best left in your head...because we really don't want to hear it.

This is exactly what makes guys like Buddy Knuckles so annoying. Every week that goes by with an Eagles win, BK wears his Eagles fan hat. As soon as their hot streak ends (and McNabb's hot streak), he's already loaded for bear with his criticisms and idiotic quoting of old posts.There are currently 20 QBs in the NFL who "choked" during the regular season and couldn't get their team into the playoffs. Four others choked in the wildcard round and they are eliminated. Currently, there are eight QBs still alive. In the next four weeks, seven of those eight will have choked. Although I'm as die-hard of an Eagles-supporter as anyone, I'm bright enough to know that teh odds of Mcnabb being one of the seven is pretty good, whether it be this week, next week, or in the Super Bowl. So there will be 31 chokers and one clutch QB in the league this year. This is the brilliance of the Buddy Knuckles system. Also, it's been widely reported that Mcnabb would often vomit prior to and during games in high school and college. He's always done it and it's a nerves-thing. Make sure to check McNabb's won/loss percentage in high school and college. Not sure how vomitting in a Super Bowl makes him a non-clutch player. I'm sure BK has a great explaination, though.

 

[Chunky Soup]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

Add AI to the list. Practice?

"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

Nope.....we are far and away the cream of the crop.

Did Barkly ever lose the love? I and i think most others always liked him, he is popular in town still. Schmidt is loved nowOwens lost the love (i miss him)Cunningham, i thought was always a fan favorite, just criticised for not winning but that was alot of Buddy's fault as wellLindros lost the love

I never lost my Smarty Jones love -- I think you can add him to the list.

 

[hotdogcollars]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...

Barkley - had the love, lost the love

Schmidt - had it and lost it

Owens - had it and lost it

Cunningham - had it and lost it

McNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgotten

Lindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

Add AI to the list. Practice?

"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

Nope.....we are far and away the cream of the crop.

Did Barkly ever lose the love? I and i think most others always liked him, he is popular in town still. Schmidt is loved now

Owens lost the love (i miss him)

Cunningham, i thought was always a fan favorite, just criticised for not winning but that was alot of Buddy's fault as well

Lindros lost the love

I never lost my Smarty Jones love -- I think you can add him to the list.

damn i loved that hor$$$$eETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

 

[dotman]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

Sorry dot, no chance of that. You've got to deal with me for as long as there is an eagles team in philly. I know i'm not a better fan than just about anyone else (except for junior over there who i suspect is a steelers fan here to get us riled up). Probably shouldnt have posted that in my little rant, but i get ####ed when people fail to see the truth in front of them.And since when is a dissenting opinion proof of stupidity? You wouldn't happen to a hard core right winger would you? Thats so "43" of you...i dont agree, so i must be stupid, or racist. Next i suppose you'll call me unpatriotic and dismiss my opinion.

A dissenting opinion is not a proof of stupidity, I never said it was, nor did I call you stupid, and I have no idea where you got that from or what being "43" is (seriously I have no clue what you're talking about here).My problem with "fans" like you is that you root against McNabb. You want him gone from Philly and the only way for that to happen is for him to fail. Either way it's win-win for you, the Eagles win the Superbowl or McNabb is a failure, there is no middle ground to you. It's an extremely simple minded way to look at a very complex and team oriented game. Out of all the Eagles fans I know, the only ones with this mindset are the ones who seem to understand the least about football when I watch the game with them. Now this is not directed at you but that has been my personal experience. Funny how ZERO NFL analysts (including lots of former players and coaches) agree with what you say. These are guys who have been around the NFL most of their adult lives. There's many teams out there who would take McNabb in a heartbeat (why would they do this if he couldn't win a Superbowl?). Basically anyone who's opinion matters recognizes that Donovan is better than most QB's and Philly fans should be happy to have him. Yet according to you, we are all blind to the truth. Wake up man!

 

[GoBirds]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

Sorry dot, no chance of that. You've got to deal with me for as long as there is an eagles team in philly. I know i'm not a better fan than just about anyone else (except for junior over there who i suspect is a steelers fan here to get us riled up). Probably shouldnt have posted that in my little rant, but i get ####ed when people fail to see the truth in front of them.And since when is a dissenting opinion proof of stupidity? You wouldn't happen to a hard core right winger would you? Thats so "43" of you...i dont agree, so i must be stupid, or racist. Next i suppose you'll call me unpatriotic and dismiss my opinion.

A dissenting opinion is not a proof of stupidity, I never said it was, nor did I call you stupid, and I have no idea where you got that from or what being "43" is (seriously I have no clue what you're talking about here).My problem with "fans" like you is that you root against McNabb. You want him gone from Philly and the only way for that to happen is for him to fail. Either way it's win-win for you, the Eagles win the Superbowl or McNabb is a failure, there is no middle ground to you. It's an extremely simple minded way to look at a very complex and team oriented game. Out of all the Eagles fans I know, the only ones with this mindset are the ones who seem to understand the least about football when I watch the game with them. Now this is not directed at you but that has been my personal experience. Funny how ZERO NFL analysts (including lots of former players and coaches) agree with what you say. These are guys who have been around the NFL most of their adult lives. There's many teams out there who would take McNabb in a heartbeat (why would they do this if he couldn't win a Superbowl?). Basically anyone who's opinion matters recognizes that Donovan is better than most QB's and Philly fans should be happy to have him. Yet according to you, we are all blind to the truth. Wake up man!

You're dead on. Considering McNabb has had to make a career out of Thrash, Stinkston, Mitchell, Reggie Brown and Curtis who was the Rams#3 we signed as our top receiver, what do you expect?

 

[crewmember]

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

Please, please, please........start your very own Eagles bashing thread where other "fans" like you can smack away all you like. Heck, bring along all the Cowpokes, Deadskins and Gnats fans you can. Have a blast. You might even find some new "friends." I really don't care if your skin is red, yellow, blue or purple, so please don't bring it up again.

We get it, you don't like McNabb.

Will your pigeonholed opinion change if the Eagles win the Super Bowl? I doubt it very highly. You'll probably state that they won it in spite of McNabb. Even though the truth is that the Eagles would probably never have gotten a chance to win it without him.

Yes, I truly believe the Eagles have a great chance to win the Super Bowl this year. I'm sure I'm one of only a few.

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.

Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

 

[crewmember]

As for the game, I've been predicting for a few weeks that you can stick a fork in the Giants. If all things were equal, no bye week and a relatively healthy westbrook, I think this game is easier than the Vikings. I have no idea or can't predict the impact of the bye week. But I don't see the Giants doing anything at all on offense. Just have to stack against the run and their junk wideouts can't beat our men. As for our offense, just praying for some decent weather so we can throw. Bad weather is huge advantage to giants.

Other factors that haven't been talked about that our good for eagles...

1. Sam Madison injury

2. Jason Tuck injury... Hugh Douglass on radio today playing this up because it's a leg injury, which is god awful for that position.

 

[JuniorNB]

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

Please, please, please........start your very own Eagles bashing thread where other "fans" like you can smack away all you like. Heck, bring along all the Cowpokes, Deadskins and Gnats fans you can. Have a blast. You might even find some new "friends." I really don't care if your skin is red, yellow, blue or purple, so please don't bring it up again.

We get it, you don't like McNabb.

Will your pigeonholed opinion change if the Eagles win the Super Bowl? I doubt it very highly. You'll probably state that they won it in spite of McNabb. Even though the truth is that the Eagles would probably never have gotten a chance to win it without him.

Yes, I truly believe the Eagles have a great chance to win the Super Bowl this year. I'm sure I'm one of only a few.

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.

Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

Part of being an NFL fan is overreacting when a team loses and Monday morning quarterbacking. As a listener of WFAN New York, the Giants and Jets fans are the same way. Of course Eagle fans were up in arms when we tied the Bengals and lost to Baltimore. I don't fault a single Eagles' fan for that. They were playing horribly.The difference between those fans and guys luike Buddy Knuckles or Sliders is that we don't spew that negativity when our team has won 5 of 6 and is in the middle of a possible Super Bowl run. When your team and your quarterback is playing as well as any in the league, you don't dampen the optmism by spouting the same old tiresome BS that you've been spouting for years. I'm not saying they should suddenly jump-ship and become McNabb's greatest supporters, but either recognize that he's playing great or don't comment at all, at least not in this thread. As I suggested earlier, why don't they start a "McNabb sucks ebven though he's getting lucky and playing well" thread? That way, him and the other Negative Nellies can have a field day talking about how he threw up in a game four years ago and how he smiles after bad plays. It would be titilizing reading.

And as I said earlier, McNabb still has three more chances to loose this year, and they will all be games against great teams on the road. There is a great chance that Philly loses one of those. Buddy Knuckles should be practicing his McNabb-insults. His day-in-the-sun is probably coming shortly.

 

[renesauz]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.

And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.

Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

Not true. Many AR/McNabb supporters were a little quieter, and the bashers were very loud 6 weeks ago.Even now, many of us are still frustrated with some of AR's shortfalls (2 minute offense, uninspired play-calling when he's calling them, poor clock management). But now, 2 weeks into an improbable post-season run, is hardly the time to address those.

BK isn't being called out this viciously for his general position on McNabb, but for the way he's chosen to voice that position. For the way he attacks our QB based on ANYTHING he can find, real or otherwise. This round was started by a horrible interpretation of McNabb's press comments. It's his habit of attacking no matter what the situation or how weak his ammo that has us upset.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Avant gets the yardage he needs in order to move the sticks & is absolutely fearless. Focusing on his YAC marginalizes how important he is to this team. IMO they should be looking to extend him.

Avant reminds me of steve smith (NYG) - he makes a bunch of big catches and has very good hands, but doesn't seem to have the speed to take it to the next level. I also thought he'd be more physical after the catch.

Don't get me wrong, I like Avant for what he brings - but I'd rather have a guy who can beat a linebacker and take it down the seam. Avant's a good target, has good hands and converts key first downs (unsung hero last week, IMHO).

We already have two WR's who meet that criteria, why bring in another?

What criteria?

White Lighting and DJax... we do not need another receiver in the same mold. We need a WR that is a legit red zone target. Not sure how you see it differently.

Fair enough. Let's just play this scenario out (hypothetical of course).

Wes Welker joins the Eagles.

How does that impact the WRs? Where do you line everyone up, and which WR is the odd man out?

I'm not being sarcastic at all here. I think that this would be an interesting discussion.

I'm also not saying Amendola = Welker. Just using the analogous player that he's been compared to. Since you don't believe that we need that type of WR (I can see that case being made), let's see how this would work out.

Well now that Wes Welker Jr. is officially an Eagle (and eligible for a Super Bowl Ring) figured a little highlight video shold be posted:
Lets get on the band wagon!

 

[Liquid Tension]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

Add AI to the list. Practice?

"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

No, they are the worst and also the worst fans (every person that has been at Philly says it was the worst stadium (in terms of a-holes) they ever went.So it makes sense.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

Sorry dot, no chance of that. You've got to deal with me for as long as there is an eagles team in philly. I know i'm not a better fan than just about anyone else (except for junior over there who i suspect is a steelers fan here to get us riled up). Probably shouldnt have posted that in my little rant, but i get ####ed when people fail to see the truth in front of them.And since when is a dissenting opinion proof of stupidity? You wouldn't happen to a hard core right winger would you? Thats so "43" of you...i dont agree, so i must be stupid, or racist. Next i suppose you'll call me unpatriotic and dismiss my opinion. Anyway, as for junior's request for my assessment of mcnabb since Baltimore, sure i have no problem with that. See, i can honestly look at my team without being a blind follower...Since Baltimore, McNabb has gone 110/171 for 1142 yds , 9tds and 1 INT. Pretty damn good by any standards. But that is not my point and hasnt been for this entire thread. see junior, if you were more interested in looking at the bigger picture instead of hurling insults and winning iArguments, you could see my point. In fact, i was on the McNabb bandwagon until Sept 16, 2008. Go ahead, look up the post in this thread...i'll wait. And of course, here is the main issue i have with McNabb. Something i have been saying consistently on this thread since i came to the realization of his limitations:

Donovan...chokes...in...the...clutch.Need more? Ok, this may hurt a bit...5 is the perfect QB for a philly sports team. He makes unbelievable plays, stomps on weak teams, and wins a lot of games. And then, when it matters most, when its time to bring a championship home to a city that desperately needs one, he will crush you. He will destroy your hopes and dreams of a parade down broad street with yet another bone headed mistake, mental fumble, or puke-fest in the huddle. He will gasp for breath, hands on his knees, showing us all what he had for lucnh that day. He will flash that smile when he misses yet another wide open receiver or bounces another ground ball down the field. Its ok though, why would anyone expect a guy with a 9 figure contract to step up and be the best?So yeah, lay off McNabb, he is exactly what you have come to expect from your sports teams and stars...second best.

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

Your post was good until your choke comment. Of course having a dissenting opinion doesn't mean anything; in fact you may be on an island and be right. But, this choke thing is one of the silliest arguments fans give. Peyton Manning was a choker and couldn't win the big one, until he got a defense that helped him hold a lead. Marino was a choker because he never had a solid defense or running attack...yeah right. Elway was in the SB many times, but was always a choker...until he got the leading rusher to help him out. C'mon people, winning the SB CAN'T be the only measurement of choking; that is absolutely absurd. If the team around a QB played great, you would win no matter what the QB did. Look at how awful Roethlisberger was and he won a SB...if his team didn't bail him out would he be a choker instead of a winner...absurd.McNabb has won enough playoff games and regular season games to be in, what, 3 Championship games? Perhaps a better OL or a system who can convert a 3rd and 1 or a better defense or special teams could help a little?I am sorry to be so critical here, but the word choker is for people who can't see the big picture. I am sure when the Giants beat the Eagles we will here it is because Manning is a winner and McNabb is a choker (even though before the end of last year people said Manning had no leadership skills and you couldn't win with him)

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'd love to hear Buddy Knuckle and Sliders honest assessment of the Eagles, and particularly McNabb, since the Baltimore game. It would be fascinating to hear them spin it so that they don't have to compliment McNabb's play.

I would love it if they never posted again, same old tired story from them no matter what happens. They are the type of people that make fans around the league think Eagles fans are stupid.Since they are so convinced they are better fans than anyone who supports McNabb, maybe they should have their own Eagles thread where they can talk about what really is going on with the Eagles, since the rest of us have no clue

Sorry dot, no chance of that. You've got to deal with me for as long as there is an eagles team in philly. I know i'm not a better fan than just about anyone else (except for junior over there who i suspect is a steelers fan here to get us riled up). Probably shouldnt have posted that in my little rant, but i get ####ed when people fail to see the truth in front of them.And since when is a dissenting opinion proof of stupidity? You wouldn't happen to a hard core right winger would you? Thats so "43" of you...i dont agree, so i must be stupid, or racist. Next i suppose you'll call me unpatriotic and dismiss my opinion. Anyway, as for junior's request for my assessment of mcnabb since Baltimore, sure i have no problem with that. See, i can honestly look at my team without being a blind follower...Since Baltimore, McNabb has gone 110/171 for 1142 yds , 9tds and 1 INT. Pretty damn good by any standards. But that is not my point and hasnt been for this entire thread. see junior, if you were more interested in looking at the bigger picture instead of hurling insults and winning iArguments, you could see my point. In fact, i was on the McNabb bandwagon until Sept 16, 2008. Go ahead, look up the post in this thread...i'll wait. And of course, here is the main issue i have with McNabb. Something i have been saying consistently on this thread since i came to the realization of his limitations:

Donovan...chokes...in...the...clutch.Need more? Ok, this may hurt a bit...5 is the perfect QB for a philly sports team. He makes unbelievable plays, stomps on weak teams, and wins a lot of games. And then, when it matters most, when its time to bring a championship home to a city that desperately needs one, he will crush you. He will destroy your hopes and dreams of a parade down broad street with yet another bone headed mistake, mental fumble, or puke-fest in the huddle. He will gasp for breath, hands on his knees, showing us all what he had for lucnh that day. He will flash that smile when he misses yet another wide open receiver or bounces another ground ball down the field. Its ok though, why would anyone expect a guy with a 9 figure contract to step up and be the best?So yeah, lay off McNabb, he is exactly what you have come to expect from your sports teams and stars...second best.

thankfully the phils won this year and took the edge off the "little brother" complex in Philly. but i have faith that McChoke will come through and show his true colors.

Oh and if you were a choker how could you finish the year so well to get into the playoffs and then help beat a very solid defense who was all over you and your receivers? It just doesn't add up. Either you can play or you can't and while some guys may be a little more inconsistent (which is probably more because your team is) that is not because they are chokers.

 

[JuniorNB]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

Add AI to the list. Practice?

"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

No, they are the worst and also the worst fans (every person that has been at Philly says it was the worst stadium (in terms of a-holes) they ever went.So it makes sense.

I agree with this and actually wear it like a medal. Someone has to be the worst, I kind of like that it's us.The whole 'turning on your best athletes'-thing is pretty lame, though. I'd be much happier and prouder of our fans if we didn't have such resent and disloyalty to out own players. It is definitely one characteristic of our bad fandom that I hate.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

I live in Philly and you just described the Hometown Iggle faithful in a nutshell...One minute it's "AR is a ####### and should be fired!" or "McNabb will never win here"!!....a few days later after a win...It's "I-G-G-L-E-S" chants and "FLY, IGGLETS, FLY...ON THE ROAD TO..." til my eardrums are bleeding...so fickle.Pick a side and stick to it is all I want.

 

[hotdogcollars]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

that wouldnt be a bit of sarcasm would it? Anyway, i'd like to change my vote to Ricky Watters...now HE had no heart

 

[crewmember]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.

And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.

Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

Not true. Many AR/McNabb supporters were a little quieter, and the bashers were very loud 6 weeks ago.Even now, many of us are still frustrated with some of AR's shortfalls (2 minute offense, uninspired play-calling when he's calling them, poor clock management). But now, 2 weeks into an improbable post-season run, is hardly the time to address those.

BK isn't being called out this viciously for his general position on McNabb, but for the way he's chosen to voice that position. For the way he attacks our QB based on ANYTHING he can find, real or otherwise. This round was started by a horrible interpretation of McNabb's press comments. It's his habit of attacking no matter what the situation or how weak his ammo that has us upset.

I don't know if it's a horrible interpretation. It's a weird thing to say when asked about the giants defense, he's still making comments about a few weeks ago. It comments like this that turn people off of McNabb or at least bug them. This not being the sole example but one of many. Personal opinions aside, you have to admit comments like this get alot of people get bugged by. Maybe not a majority, but alot of people.Yea I know round 2, I could care less about this stuff either right now but I'm guessing the poster had more to do with the backfire than the actual content.

 

[fred_1_15301]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

I live in Philly and you just described the Hometown Iggle faithful in a nutshell...One minute it's "AR is a ####### and should be fired!" or "McNabb will never win here"!!....a few days later after a win...It's "I-G-G-L-E-S" chants and "FLY, IGGLETS, FLY...ON THE ROAD TO..." til my eardrums are bleeding...so fickle.Pick a side and stick to it is all I want.

...........Also a Steeler fan living in E-A-G-L-E Country.............

 

[Stillers Jr.]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

that wouldnt be a bit of sarcasm would it? Anyway, i'd like to change my vote to Ricky Watters...now HE had no heart

No Sarcasm. The big E was the best Flyer of all time.

 

[crewmember]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

I live in Philly and you just described the Hometown Iggle faithful in a nutshell...One minute it's "AR is a ####### and should be fired!" or "McNabb will never win here"!!....a few days later after a win...It's "I-G-G-L-E-S" chants and "FLY, IGGLETS, FLY...ON THE ROAD TO..." til my eardrums are bleeding...so fickle.Pick a side and stick to it is all I want.

They take a little bit of the joy of winning from me because I love the teams but hate my fellow fans. Turned on WIP before the game against cowboys, thought they would be going crazy about what just happenened to Bucs/Bears. Callers and Host were talking about getting rid of Reid/McNabb. Don't get me started on the Phillies...Worst baseball fan's ever.Guess we can compare ourselves to New York fans, but by then we've already lost.

 

[Slider]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

that wouldnt be a bit of sarcasm would it? Anyway, i'd like to change my vote to Ricky Watters...now HE had no heart

No Sarcasm. The big E was the best Flyer of all time.

I have to ask - how old are you?I'd have to think the 73-74-75 Flyers would have a few notches on Lindros.

Pelle Lindburgh is also on the list.

I always liked Ron Hextall, but my memories of the Bill Barber / Bobby Clarke / Bernie Parent are not good at all - perhaps because I was only a few years old.

Lindros is not the best Flyer of all time. Not even close.

 

[LTsharks]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, because that Superbowl that "He" lost had nothing to do with the constant pressure he was under while the Eagles D got absolutely no pressure on the other QB. Yep, all his fault. If only the Eagles had any other QB in the league that day they would have been champions. Did you watch the game? That game was decided by line play, sorry if that element of the game confuses you.

I have no idea what will happen on Sunday. I think the Eagles have a great chance to win the game, but the Giants are the #1 seed for a reason. Win or lose, good game or bad, McNabb can QB my team next year.

Go Eagles!!!!

 

[fred_1_15301]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, because that Superbowl that "He" lost had nothing to do with the constant pressure he was under while the Eagles D got absolutely no pressure on the other QB. Yep, all his fault. If only the Eagles had any other QB in the league that day they would have been champions. Did you watch the game? That game was decided by line play, sorry if that element of the game confuses you.

I have no idea what will happen on Sunday. I think the Eagles have a great chance to win the game, but the Giants are the #1 seed for a reason. Win or lose, good game or bad, McNabb can QB my team next year.

Go Eagles!!!!

I don't think there is any chance that McNabb won't be quarterbacking your team next year. If he isn't, the Eagles have gone.......

 

[crewmember]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

that wouldnt be a bit of sarcasm would it? Anyway, i'd like to change my vote to Ricky Watters...now HE had no heart

No Sarcasm. The big E was the best Flyer of all time.

I have to ask - how old are you?I'd have to think the 73-74-75 Flyers would have a few notches on Lindros.

Pelle Lindburgh is also on the list.

I always liked Ron Hextall, but my memories of the Bill Barber / Bobby Clarke / Bernie Parent are not good at all - perhaps because I was only a few years old.

Lindros is not the best Flyer of all time. Not even close.

Bobby Clark #23, Eric Lindros #54, Bernie Parent #63http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_100_g...The_Hockey_NewsLindros #17 in points per game, not sure where he'd be ranked if you stopped after he left Flyers. So there is a very good argument for best flyer of all time.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Before his injuries EL was the most dominate player ever to put on the Flyers Sweater. Is he the best Flyer ever? Didnt maintain that level for long enough, but as I said he was the most dominate for a few years.

 

[LTsharks]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, because that Superbowl that "He" lost had nothing to do with the constant pressure he was under while the Eagles D got absolutely no pressure on the other QB. Yep, all his fault. If only the Eagles had any other QB in the league that day they would have been champions. Did you watch the game? That game was decided by line play, sorry if that element of the game confuses you.

I have no idea what will happen on Sunday. I think the Eagles have a great chance to win the game, but the Giants are the #1 seed for a reason. Win or lose, good game or bad, McNabb can QB my team next year.

Go Eagles!!!!

I don't think there is any chance that McNabb won't be quarterbacking your team next year. If he isn't, the Eagles have gone.......

I agree. And I appreciate what many Eagles fans and non-Eagles fans have written in this thread. (juniourNB, renesauz, fred, crewmember, liquid tension - to name a few)

 

[Game Time]

not to hijack and turn it into a Flyer thread..... but mentioning Lindros as the best Flyer ever seriously is a slap in the face to many Flyer Greats...

 

[crewmember]

not to hijack and turn it into a Flyer thread..... but mentioning Lindros as the best Flyer ever seriously is a slap in the face to many Flyer Greats...

"Blah Blah Blah, Broadstreet Bullies, Blah Blah Blah, Russian Pasies, Blah Blah Blah"question was Best Flyer ever not your favorite Flyer ever.

 

[stevegamer]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

that wouldnt be a bit of sarcasm would it? Anyway, i'd like to change my vote to Ricky Watters...now HE had no heart

No Sarcasm. The big E was the best Flyer of all time.

Um, no.Lindros played in a more scoring-happy era which means his stats are deflated by adjustment. He was not durable, so he could be lost to the team at a moment's notice.

Simply the right answer is either Bobby Clarke or Bernie Parent. Honestly, I'd go with Bernie, as goaltending is crucial.

 

[stevegamer]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

I live in Philly and you just described the Hometown Iggle faithful in a nutshell...One minute it's "AR is a ####### and should be fired!" or "McNabb will never win here"!!....a few days later after a win...It's "I-G-G-L-E-S" chants and "FLY, IGGLETS, FLY...ON THE ROAD TO..." til my eardrums are bleeding...so fickle.Pick a side and stick to it is all I want.

They take a little bit of the joy of winning from me because I love the teams but hate my fellow fans. Turned on WIP before the game against cowboys, thought they would be going crazy about what just happenened to Bucs/Bears. Callers and Host were talking about getting rid of Reid/McNabb. Don't get me started on the Phillies...Worst baseball fan's ever.Guess we can compare ourselves to New York fans, but by then we've already lost.

Try listening to 950 sometime - WIP actively seeks callers with below average IQ's - and has been known to drop people if they sound too intelligent or don't agree with the designated rant of the day. Trying to make a point about things that make sense isn't greatly appreciated. Hosts are generally stupid, jack###es or both.I actually think the Phils fans are getting short shrift here - we are the losingest franchise in pro sports, so suffering has been long. Braves ahve worse fans - they don't sell out playoff games, and basically built the fanbase through TNT & TBS becoming the South's team.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, last week's 23-34 and 300 yards was just caretaking.So was his 27-39 and 260 yards and 4 TDs against the Cardinals.Just like his 10:2 TD to Int. ratio in those 6 games.You'd sound much more intelligent if you'd save your anti-McNabb crap until after McNabb plays poorly and they lose. Like I said, odds are extremely stacked against them to win three more road games. Chances are, you'll get an opportunity to spew your poison and hatred.It's just that doing it right now makes you sound, well, stupid. Enjoy the game tomorrow. It must suck not knowing if you want your team to win or for them to lose so that you can spew your McNabb-hate all over the place. Win/win I guess.

 

[dirtywaters20]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, last week's 23-34 and 300 yards was just caretaking.So was his 27-39 and 260 yards and 4 TDs against the Cardinals.Just like his 10:2 TD to Int. ratio in those 6 games.You'd sound much more intelligent if you'd save your anti-McNabb crap until after McNabb plays poorly and they lose. Like I said, odds are extremely stacked against them to win three more road games. Chances are, you'll get an opportunity to spew your poison and hatred.It's just that doing it right now makes you sound, well, stupid. Enjoy the game tomorrow. It must suck not knowing if you want your team to win or for them to lose so that you can spew your McNabb-hate all over the place. Win/win I guess.

Why is not possible to want the team to win but think McNabb is a self-absorbed jackass who continously plays the martyr. The overwhelming majority of the fan base has always appreciated McNabb but he'd rather continously focus on the 30 idiots that booed him on draft day & the lemmings that call Cataldi. I'm tired of being lumped in with that lot by him & I'm tired of how he reacts when given a forum by the national media. He's a coddled baby & his passive-aggressive victim routine is just jaded. His injury history & Feeley's penchant for throwing the ball to the other team necessitated the organization address the backup quarterback position. I think Reid did both quarterbacks a disservice when he benched McNabb during the Baltimore game; but to act like he'd been playing "great" in the few games leading up until that point is nonsense. I've got nearly a $1000 worth of McNabb authentics in my closet that won't see the light of day anytime soon. I've been an Eagles fan long before he got here & I'll be one long after he's gone. I'll root for him between the whistles one day a week as long as he gives my team the best chance of winning.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, last week's 23-34 and 300 yards was just caretaking.So was his 27-39 and 260 yards and 4 TDs against the Cardinals.Just like his 10:2 TD to Int. ratio in those 6 games.You'd sound much more intelligent if you'd save your anti-McNabb crap until after McNabb plays poorly and they lose. Like I said, odds are extremely stacked against them to win three more road games. Chances are, you'll get an opportunity to spew your poison and hatred.It's just that doing it right now makes you sound, well, stupid. Enjoy the game tomorrow. It must suck not knowing if you want your team to win or for them to lose so that you can spew your McNabb-hate all over the place. Win/win I guess.

Why is not possible to want the team to win but think McNabb is a self-absorbed jackass who continously plays the martyr. The overwhelming majority of the fan base has always appreciated McNabb but he'd rather continously focus on the 30 idiots that booed him on draft day & the lemmings that call Cataldi. I'm tired of being lumped in with that lot by him & I'm tired of how he reacts when given a forum by the national media. He's a coddled baby & his passive-aggressive victim routine is just jaded. His injury history & Feeley's penchant for throwing the ball to the other team necessitated the organization address the backup quarterback position. I think Reid did both quarterbacks a disservice when he benched McNabb during the Baltimore game; but to act like he'd been playing "great" in the few games leading up until that point is nonsense. I've got nearly a $1000 worth of McNabb authentics in my closet that won't see the light of day anytime soon. I've been an Eagles fan long before he got here & I'll be one long after he's gone. I'll root for him between the whistles one day a week as long as he gives my team the best chance of winning.

There's no problem with you thinking that McNabb is a self-absorbed jackass. The league is full of them, probably moreso at the QB position. And I agree, the draft day booing seems to have put a bit of a chip on his shoulder that resurfaces when he is 'questioned', ala Limbaugh's comments, T.O.'s shenanigens, or the Baltimore benching. Personally, I have no problem with my team's QB being a bit smug and cocky as long as he's a winner. His lifetime regular season and post-season win-loss percentage tells me that he is just that. Sure, I would rather he be undefeated in the playoffs and wearing four rings, but I don't neccessrily think he was heading teh league's best team all of those years.One thing that seperates you from teh other two lunkheads that like to pollute these threads is the fact that you will be routing for him on Sunday. Whereas, a few more wins and possibly a ring might encourage you to pull out some of that Mcnabb memorabilia, the other two will think of a hundred reasons that they won in spite of Mcnabb sucking.As for his injuries, I'm not sure how you can dislike a guy because he gets hurt. Are you suggesting he's soft and isn't really injured when he misses games?

 

[Stillers Jr.]

I have to ask - how old are you?I'd have to think the 73-74-75 Flyers would have a few notches on Lindros.Pelle Lindburgh is also on the list.I always liked Ron Hextall, but my memories of the Bill Barber / Bobby Clarke / Bernie Parent are not good at all - perhaps because I was only a few years old. Lindros is not the best Flyer of all time. Not even close.

I'm in my late 30's so I missed the teams of the 70's. They were great and all, I have the games on DVD. My first Flyers jersey ever was a Pelle Lindbergh the xmas before the accident...I was at Game 6 of the 1987 Cup Finals when Hexy stood on his head and we forced game 7...I am not saying these players were not good at all...Bottom line for me is I can't name one player that absolutely dominated like Lindros did. Also...To say "it's not even close" sounds a little foolish to me. If you had a list of your top Flyers of all time, EL wouldn't make it?? And if he did, isn't #5 close to #1?I stand by my comments as an avid, active Flyers fan. Now back to your regularly scheduled Iggles Talk...

 

[Stillers Jr.]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

that wouldnt be a bit of sarcasm would it? Anyway, i'd like to change my vote to Ricky Watters...now HE had no heart

No Sarcasm. The big E was the best Flyer of all time.

Um, no.Lindros played in a more scoring-happy era which means his stats are deflated by adjustment. He was not durable, so he could be lost to the team at a moment's notice.

Simply the right answer is either Bobby Clarke or Bernie Parent. Honestly, I'd go with Bernie, as goaltending is crucial.

Lindros did way more than score...BTW. I will accept Bernie as a valid possible answer. Clarke was very good too.

My opinion remains that if any knowledgable Flyer fan makes a top 5 list of players of all time, Lindros is on it. He just happens to be #1 on my list.

 

[dirtywaters20]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, last week's 23-34 and 300 yards was just caretaking.So was his 27-39 and 260 yards and 4 TDs against the Cardinals.Just like his 10:2 TD to Int. ratio in those 6 games.You'd sound much more intelligent if you'd save your anti-McNabb crap until after McNabb plays poorly and they lose. Like I said, odds are extremely stacked against them to win three more road games. Chances are, you'll get an opportunity to spew your poison and hatred.It's just that doing it right now makes you sound, well, stupid. Enjoy the game tomorrow. It must suck not knowing if you want your team to win or for them to lose so that you can spew your McNabb-hate all over the place. Win/win I guess.

Why is not possible to want the team to win but think McNabb is a self-absorbed jackass who continously plays the martyr. The overwhelming majority of the fan base has always appreciated McNabb but he'd rather continously focus on the 30 idiots that booed him on draft day & the lemmings that call Cataldi. I'm tired of being lumped in with that lot by him & I'm tired of how he reacts when given a forum by the national media. He's a coddled baby & his passive-aggressive victim routine is just jaded. His injury history & Feeley's penchant for throwing the ball to the other team necessitated the organization address the backup quarterback position. I think Reid did both quarterbacks a disservice when he benched McNabb during the Baltimore game; but to act like he'd been playing "great" in the few games leading up until that point is nonsense. I've got nearly a $1000 worth of McNabb authentics in my closet that won't see the light of day anytime soon. I've been an Eagles fan long before he got here & I'll be one long after he's gone. I'll root for him between the whistles one day a week as long as he gives my team the best chance of winning.

There's no problem with you thinking that McNabb is a self-absorbed jackass. The league is full of them, probably moreso at the QB position. And I agree, the draft day booing seems to have put a bit of a chip on his shoulder that resurfaces when he is 'questioned', ala Limbaugh's comments, T.O.'s shenanigens, or the Baltimore benching. Personally, I have no problem with my team's QB being a bit smug and cocky as long as he's a winner. His lifetime regular season and post-season win-loss percentage tells me that he is just that. Sure, I would rather he be undefeated in the playoffs and wearing four rings, but I don't neccessrily think he was heading teh league's best team all of those years.One thing that seperates you from teh other two lunkheads that like to pollute these threads is the fact that you will be routing for him on Sunday. Whereas, a few more wins and possibly a ring might encourage you to pull out some of that Mcnabb memorabilia, the other two will think of a hundred reasons that they won in spite of Mcnabb sucking.As for his injuries, I'm not sure how you can dislike a guy because he gets hurt. Are you suggesting he's soft and isn't really injured when he misses games?

Not at all; not really sure how you got that from my comment I certainly remember the Arizona game when he tossed td's on a broken ankle. The only reason I brought up his injury history is because it seems to be a popular opinion (especially amongst national talking heads) that the drafting of Kolb was a slight against McNabb. The guy missed significant portions of the prior seasons with injuries that required invasive surgery; the team isn't allowed to upgrade the depth on the roster in the event that trend continued? I also think it's laughable that ESPN continously plays the whole "McNabb is underappreciated in Philadelphia & deserves better". Philadelphia fans didn't call McNabb overrated & suggest that the accolades he received were due to his skin color; an ESPN analyst did. Eagles' fans aren't the only ones that lobbied for TO; McNabb did. They didn't use the phrase "black on black" crime to describe 2 self-absorbed millionaire athletes trading barbs through the media; McNabb's dad did. They didn't use the term "bittersweet" to describe the Eagles winning a playoff game against a hated division rival because it wasn't Donovan that led the team; his mom did. It wasn't the fans that publicly mused about what would happen if a playoff game should end in a tie; McNabb did. The fact is, the majority of the controversies surrounding McNabb are self-inflicted by either him or his over-protective parents. That never seems to get mentioned. They make foolish or inflammatory remarks & when the fans react; they are labelled haters or ingrates. His Dallas post game presser pretty much tells the story. The Eagles & their fans are all elated about being back in the post season but McNabb takes the opportunity to crow about how he's silenced all his doubters & been spit on blah, blah & basically make it all about him...He played well in the game but the defense fueled that victory & the team required a 4 win Oakland team to fly across 2 time zones to beat the Bucs & a Chicago loss to get in. One would think that fact wouldn't have escaped him.The majority of Eagles' fans still like McNabb. He was voted by an overwhelming majority as the qb for the 75th anniversary team. His jersey is still the predominant one worn to the Linc on Sundays. I'm just no longer one of them but I do accept that he is still probably a top 10 quarterback & currently gives the team I love the best chance of winning.

 

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I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, last week's 23-34 and 300 yards was just caretaking.So was his 27-39 and 260 yards and 4 TDs against the Cardinals.Just like his 10:2 TD to Int. ratio in those 6 games.You'd sound much more intelligent if you'd save your anti-McNabb crap until after McNabb plays poorly and they lose. Like I said, odds are extremely stacked against them to win three more road games. Chances are, you'll get an opportunity to spew your poison and hatred.It's just that doing it right now makes you sound, well, stupid. Enjoy the game tomorrow. It must suck not knowing if you want your team to win or for them to lose so that you can spew your McNabb-hate all over the place. Win/win I guess.

Lol at having to go back to his 2 best games out of the last 7. The Cards were toasted by every team they came east for. He did play great though after his horrible performance and subsequent benching the previous week. And yeah it was a beautiful screen pass to Westbrook to break open the Vikes game but let's be real and give Tavaris and the Eagle D most of the credit up until the screen (which I called in the game thread). What were his numbers to the WR's? Please point out the games where the D was average and he stepped up and won. It simply doesn't happen. But you can find a ton of games where the D is lights out and he's in a funk. And stop with the namecalling. It makes you seem bitter and juvenile. I don't hate the guy. I would just rather have a QB who could read a D faster, pump fake or look off a defender more often, have a better YPA and comp pct, not take so many dumb sacks and just manage the game better.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, last week's 23-34 and 300 yards was just caretaking.So was his 27-39 and 260 yards and 4 TDs against the Cardinals.Just like his 10:2 TD to Int. ratio in those 6 games.You'd sound much more intelligent if you'd save your anti-McNabb crap until after McNabb plays poorly and they lose. Like I said, odds are extremely stacked against them to win three more road games. Chances are, you'll get an opportunity to spew your poison and hatred.It's just that doing it right now makes you sound, well, stupid. Enjoy the game tomorrow. It must suck not knowing if you want your team to win or for them to lose so that you can spew your McNabb-hate all over the place. Win/win I guess.

Lol at having to go back to his 2 best games out of the last 7. The Cards were toasted by every team they came east for. He did play great though after his horrible performance and subsequent benching the previous week. And yeah it was a beautiful screen pass to Westbrook to break open the Vikes game but let's be real and give Tavaris and the Eagle D most of the credit up until the screen (which I called in the game thread). What were his numbers to the WR's? Please point out the games where the D was average and he stepped up and won. It simply doesn't happen. But you can find a ton of games where the D is lights out and he's in a funk. And stop with the namecalling. It makes you seem bitter and juvenile. I don't hate the guy. I would just rather have a QB who could read a D faster, pump fake or look off a defender more often, have a better YPA and comp pct, not take so many dumb sacks and just manage the game better.

While I did mention the two best of his seven games, I also added his 10:2 TD to INT ratio, which is from all seven games. Just because a guy doesn't put up Peyton Manning-stats every game doesn't make him any less of an excellent QB. Go back and look at Troy Aikman's stats. The key is to lead drives and not throw interceptions. Mcnabb has been great at those things in this stretch.As for sounding "bitter and juvenille", I have to admit, I am a little bitter that I happen to be a fan of a team that has fans like you. I'm a huge Eagles fan, but I'm certainly not an Eagles fan fan. I didn't hear 49er fans blaming Garcia when TO turned on him. Nor did I read many posts from Dallas fans blaming Romo when Owens did his little act this year. But there were tons of Eagle fans that sided with Owens when he turned on Mcnabb. That's teh difference between Eagle fans and the rest of the league's fans. There are actually fans of the second winningest franchise of teh decade who hate and root against out starting quarterback. Do you realize that all but about seven or eight teams in this league would love to have McNabb as their QB? Of course you don't (Or would never admit it).The other teams' fans are largely correct about 'us'. And that makes me very sad.

 

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And you should look at all those QB's management of the games. comp pct, and sack numbers. And yes, other fans are right. We have choked against TBay, Carolina, St Louis and New England. That has left us with 0 Superbowls. Care to post the performance of McNabb in those 4 games? I'm sorry you can't accept people who see it different. I can also point out 30 teams who would have at one time loved to have Vick, Culpepper, or the chance to draft David Carr.

I want a Superbowl for the Eagles. I couldn't care less about what other fans think about Eagle fans.