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I'm at that point of the first round when one can justifiably go in several different directions.

My pick will be a 20-time All Star (like Mays) who ranks as one of the greatest hitters in baseball history. This player hit .310 or better his first 17 seasons in MLB.

1.09 -- OF Stan Musial
!@#$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So much for matching him with my ballpark.

 
I'm at that point of the first round when one can justifiably go in several different directions.

My pick will be a 20-time All Star (like Mays) who ranks as one of the greatest hitters in baseball history. This player hit .310 or better his first 17 seasons in MLB.

1.09 -- OF Stan Musial
Maybe my favorite old-time player ever.Got his autograph and shook his hand at a Spring Training game when I was like six..it was on a program and it got stolen out of my apartment last year. One of the few things I really wish I could have back. :cry:

 
I'm at that point of the first round when one can justifiably go in several different directions.

My pick will be a 20-time All Star (like Mays) who ranks as one of the greatest hitters in baseball history. This player hit .310 or better his first 17 seasons in MLB.

1.09 -- OF  Stan Musial
Maybe my favorite old-time player ever.Got his autograph and shook his hand at a Spring Training game when I was like six..it was on a program and it got stolen out of my apartment last year. One of the few things I really wish I could have back. :cry:
That sucks!!! My sister in law bought me a vintage Musial jersey for my birthday last year. Nice to have a cool SIL.
 
STADIUM DRAFT (one round only, inverse order of Player Draft)

1) Larryboy -- County Stadium, Milwaukee

2) Spartans -- Palace of the Fans, Cincinatti

3) UCONN -- Shibe Park (Connie Mack Stadium), Philadelphia

4) Kraft -- Fenway Park, Boston

5) funkley -- Sportsman's Park, St. Louis

6) Koya -- Ebbets Field, Brooklyn

7) bogart -- Ballpark at Arlington

8) Doug B -- Griffith Stadium, Washington, DC

9) Harrier -- Bank One Ballpark, Phoenix

10) Pickles -- Wrigley Field, Chicago

11) Sammy3469 -- Tiger Stadium, Detroit

12) Nipsey -- Yankee Stadium, New York

13) Capella --Polo Grounds, New York

14) lastresort  -- on the clock

15) Spock --

16) pumpnick --

MLB PLAYER DRAFT

ROUND ONE

1) pumpnick -- SP  Walter Johnson

2) Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax

3) lastresort  -- OF  Babe Ruth

4) Capella -- OF Willie Mays

5) Nipsey -- SP Cy Young

6) Sammy3469 -- OF Ted Williams

7) Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig

8) Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds

9) Doug B -- OF Stan Musial

10) bogart -- on the clock

11) Koya --

12) funkley --

13) Kraft --

14) UCONN --

15) Spartans --

16) Larryboy --
nipsey!
 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.

 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.
:rotflmao: True.

 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.
:hot: He was my target for this round. Very nice pick.

 
Stan the Man will never get the credit he deserves. Pity.
tough era for a guy to play in..when you may not even be considered the best left-handed hitter of your time, you're going to get slighted a bit. that .331 career average is pretty damn sweet, I'll say that. How 'bout 17 times in the top-10 of BA (including 7 titles)? :shock:
 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.
:rotflmao: :yes:
 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.
:hot: He was my target for this round. Very nice pick.
Thanks. He doesn't fit my ballpark (which I will do a write up on TBiA tonight), but the guy was simply a stud. I actually had my mind made up on someone else this morning only because I thought Hornsby would never make it to me.
 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.
:hot: He was my target for this round. Very nice pick.
Thanks. He doesn't fit my ballpark.....
No...no he doesn't. But he does fit mine! :hot: GDB the guys stealing Cardinals.

 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.
:hot: He was my target for this round. Very nice pick.
Thanks. He doesn't fit my ballpark (which I will do a write up on TBiA tonight), but the guy was simply a stud. I actually had my mind made up on someone else this morning only because I thought Hornsby would never make it to me.
If I had a normal fourth pick, and not one where Willie Mays was still sitting there, Hornsby would've been on my list.He was 3rd in win shares, IIRC. Not sure if everybody buys into that theory, but it's worth throwing out there.

 
I love the Hornsby pick. I was just wondering to myself when he was going to go. Not many players had a 40 homer .400 ba season, and at 2B to boot! :thumbup: He's top 5 for sure in my book.

 
Still can't decide exactly how I want to build my team, but this guy is a good start:

1.10 - Rogers Hornsby - 2B/SS

The guy averaged 0.358 BA, 0.434 OBP, 113 Runs, 22 HR and 114 RBI a year.

My second baseman is better than your second baseman, period.
I debated taking him at the #5. Nice job.
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
Cy Young doesn't count and as far as your "i'll take the guy who produces 5 out of 5 days argument" goes, it's moot, because Cy is starting every game for me."Who starts for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Who starts game two for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Wow, that series is over. Nipsey wins."
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
Cy Young doesn't count and as far as your "i'll take the guy who produces 5 out of 5 days argument" goes, it's moot, because Cy is starting every game for me."Who starts for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Who starts game two for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Wow, that series is over. Nipsey wins."
Nipsey=early exit from the tourney and a sub .500 record in the leauge... :boxing:
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
Cy Young doesn't count and as far as your "i'll take the guy who produces 5 out of 5 days argument" goes, it's moot, because Cy is starting every game for me."Who starts for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Who starts game two for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Wow, that series is over. Nipsey wins."
Better work on the eephus pitch then cuz I don't think Cy is gonna put it past modern era hitters very effectively, especially on zero days rest.
 
Where the Hell is Koya? You couldn't keep him out of the NBA thread...plus I think he was one of the few guys that actually used the pm to speed that one up.

 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
Cy Young doesn't count and as far as your "i'll take the guy who produces 5 out of 5 days argument" goes, it's moot, because Cy is starting every game for me."Who starts for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Who starts game two for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Wow, that series is over. Nipsey wins."
Better work on the eephus pitch then cuz I don't think Cy is gonna put it past modern era hitters very effectively, especially on zero days rest.
THE OLDER PLAYERS GET MODERN "JUICE". EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. DON'T GIVE ME THE OLDER/MODERN ERA ARGUMENT. IT WON'T FLY HERE."Who starts for Nipsey in game 3?""Cy Young.""Who starts for Nipsey in game 4?""Cy Young.""Damn. Nipsey can't lose.""Who starts for Pickles game one?""Oil Can Boyd.""Ouch."
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
Cy Young doesn't count and as far as your "i'll take the guy who produces 5 out of 5 days argument" goes, it's moot, because Cy is starting every game for me."Who starts for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Who starts game two for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Wow, that series is over. Nipsey wins."
Better work on the eephus pitch then cuz I don't think Cy is gonna put it past modern era hitters very effectively, especially on zero days rest.
THE OLDER PLAYERS GET MODERN "JUICE". EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. DON'T GIVE ME THE OLDER/MODERN ERA ARGUMENT. IT WON'T FLY HERE."Who starts for Nipsey in game 3?""Cy Young.""Who starts for Nipsey in game 4?""Cy Young.""Damn. Nipsey can't lose.""Who starts for Pickles game one?""Oil Can Boyd.""Ouch."
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
Cy Young doesn't count and as far as your "i'll take the guy who produces 5 out of 5 days argument" goes, it's moot, because Cy is starting every game for me."Who starts for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Who starts game two for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Wow, that series is over. Nipsey wins."
Better work on the eephus pitch then cuz I don't think Cy is gonna put it past modern era hitters very effectively, especially on zero days rest.
THE OLDER PLAYERS GET MODERN "JUICE". EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. DON'T GIVE ME THE OLDER/MODERN ERA ARGUMENT. IT WON'T FLY HERE."Who starts for Nipsey in game 3?""Cy Young.""Who starts for Nipsey in game 4?""Cy Young.""Damn. Nipsey can't lose.""Who starts for Pickles game one?""Oil Can Boyd.""Ouch."
Nipsey is the early favorite...you can't discount the Ham Factor, ;) .
 
ummm....start drafting pitchers again!.... :hot:
Pitchers are the running backs of this draft...unless you plan on taking those guys from the 1800's that pitched every day, thus ruining the spirit of the draft. Don't pull a LeBron on us....
I'll take a guy that produces 5 out of 5 days over a guy that produces 1 out of 5 days (or 1 inning out of 9) any day of the week....don't care how much you want to say great pitching beats great hitting. The kind of great hitting available early in the draft will not be available later....and as far as the old timers....ummmm, you took Cy Young you *******.Oh, I meant select pitchers. That's what I'll do if you guys don't gobble them up now. Really, I mean that.
Cy Young doesn't count and as far as your "i'll take the guy who produces 5 out of 5 days argument" goes, it's moot, because Cy is starting every game for me."Who starts for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Who starts game two for Nipsey?""Cy Young.""Wow, that series is over. Nipsey wins."
Better work on the eephus pitch then cuz I don't think Cy is gonna put it past modern era hitters very effectively, especially on zero days rest.
THE OLDER PLAYERS GET MODERN "JUICE". EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. DON'T GIVE ME THE OLDER/MODERN ERA ARGUMENT. IT WON'T FLY HERE."Who starts for Nipsey in game 3?""Cy Young.""Who starts for Nipsey in game 4?""Cy Young.""Damn. Nipsey can't lose.""Who starts for Pickles game one?""Oil Can Boyd.""Ouch."
His name is Dennis.
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules? How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules? How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
okay.. so how does that work. what do you mean by "manage?"sorry, i have no idea how it works on that site.
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules? How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
I'll add I checked it out. The innings pitched the old guys can provide your staff are nice....but w/ an all-time draft we're all going to have fairly deep pitching staffs. I don't think it'll be as big an advantage as some people think.
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules?  How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
okay.. so how does that work. what do you mean by "manage?"sorry, i have no idea how it works on that site.
you set your rotation..you can organize your bullpen by your closer, long reliever, lefty specialist, whatever..you don't actually sit there and manage as the game goes on..you set it all up and then the site sims the games overnight. you can put down who you want as a pinch-hitter, in what situation, pinch-runner, etc..it's pretty cool.
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules?  How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
okay.. so how does that work. what do you mean by "manage?"sorry, i have no idea how it works on that site.
I haven't done it yet, but I think you get to set like a vs rhp line-up, a vs lhp line-up and your rotation (starters and relievers) and designate who your first pinch hitters would be. Then they simulate the games out for you. I think you get to set your style as well...ie bunt hardly ever, sometimes, average, more than average, a lot....hit and run hardly ever, sometimes...ect.I think that is how it goes. I also think they make you play your reserves some or your guys get fatigued. It looks pretty realistic. You don't manage in the sense that you make all the moves in the game...but you set up your stuff for them and they sim. them out. I'm sure Cappy can give more details, but I think I've got the gist of it down just by browsing over the site (registration is free).
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules?  How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
I'll add I checked it out. The innings pitched the old guys can provide your staff are nice....but w/ an all-time draft we're all going to have fairly deep pitching staffs. I don't think it'll be as big an advantage as some people think.
ok, that's what i was sort of getting at. why is there an advantage to having a guy like cy young? how do his stats translate into being able to use him more in the sim?
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules?  How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
okay.. so how does that work. what do you mean by "manage?"sorry, i have no idea how it works on that site.
I haven't done it yet, but I think you get to set like a vs rhp line-up, a vs lhp line-up and your rotation (starters and relievers) and designate who your first pinch hitters would be. Then they simulate the games out for you. I think you get to set your style as well...ie bunt hardly ever, sometimes, average, more than average, a lot....hit and run hardly ever, sometimes...ect.I think that is how it goes. I also think they make you play your reserves some or your guys get fatigued. It looks pretty realistic. You don't manage in the sense that you make all the moves in the game...but you set up your stuff for them and they sim. them out. I'm sure Cappy can give more details, but I think I've got the gist of it down just by browsing over the site (registration is free).
yes, hit it on the head..you can have a lineup that faces lefties, one that faces righties, you can say you want one pitcher only going 6 innings, etc.
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules?  How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
I'll add I checked it out. The innings pitched the old guys can provide your staff are nice....but w/ an all-time draft we're all going to have fairly deep pitching staffs. I don't think it'll be as big an advantage as some people think.
ok, that's what i was sort of getting at. why is there an advantage to having a guy like cy young? how do his stats translate into being able to use him more in the sim?
more arm-strength, won't get as tired.
 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules?  How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
I'll add I checked it out. The innings pitched the old guys can provide your staff are nice....but w/ an all-time draft we're all going to have fairly deep pitching staffs. I don't think it'll be as big an advantage as some people think.
ok, that's what i was sort of getting at. why is there an advantage to having a guy like cy young? how do his stats translate into being able to use him more in the sim?
more arm-strength, won't get as tired.
ok.. so the IP/season will increase a starter's endurance by a proportional amount? just trying to understand how this is calculated.
 
Am I the only one who could give two craps about the SIM? I mean it will be fun and all but I'm not baseing any of my drafting decisions on it. I'm going to take the best players(IMHO) period. :football:

 
Nipsey brings up a good point... what are the lineup rules?  How are these games simulated?
set your lineup and rotation anyway you want..in the sim, you actually 'manage' the team.
I'll add I checked it out. The innings pitched the old guys can provide your staff are nice....but w/ an all-time draft we're all going to have fairly deep pitching staffs. I don't think it'll be as big an advantage as some people think.
ok, that's what i was sort of getting at. why is there an advantage to having a guy like cy young? how do his stats translate into being able to use him more in the sim?
more arm-strength, won't get as tired.
ok.. so the IP/season will increase a starter's endurance by a proportional amount? just trying to understand how this is calculated.
that's kind of the impression I got. I also got the impression they take into account the era though and try to "normalize" the stats. So since it was normal to pitch that many innings back then it doesn't really help those guys that much. Really just a shot in the dark here though....they seem to have a pretty good sim. If you take good players they are going to make them good....I'm pretty confident in that. I'm also atleast somewhat confident they can figure out a 300 ip pitcher today is just as much a workhorse as say a 500 ip pitcher in 1890...just my guesses/the feel I got.
 
Am I the only one who could give two craps about the SIM? I mean it will be fun and all but I'm not baseing any of my drafting decisions on it. I'm going to take the best players(IMHO) period. :football:
Well, I think the sim will be a somewhat objective measure of how good your team is, so I think you should consider it somewhat.Just asking a bunch of people who has the best team isn't really all that telling in my mind.
 
Am I the only one who could give two craps about the SIM? I mean it will be fun and all but I'm not baseing any of my drafting decisions on it. I'm going to take the best players(IMHO) period. :football:
:thumbup: I checked out the sim....and I'm confident that if you do this the sim will reward you so it's really a moot point.
 
Am I the only one who could give two craps about the SIM? I mean it will be fun and all but I'm not baseing any of my drafting decisions on it. I'm going to take the best players(IMHO) period.  :football:
Well, I think the sim will be a somewhat objective measure of how good your team is, so I think you should consider it somewhat.Just asking a bunch of people who has the best team isn't really all that telling in my mind.
and I'll also agree w/ this. The sim is going to be a 162 game season where you face everybody and your record speaks for itself. I'll take this over some yahoo in here saying "Bonds sucks....I vote the other guy".edited to add good luck in the finals...once you got past Jordan I think you became the favorite. Should be a great series.
 
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Am I the only one who could give two craps about the SIM? I mean it will be fun and all but I'm not baseing any of my drafting decisions on it. I'm going to take the best players(IMHO) period. :football:
:thumbup: I checked out the sim....and I'm confident that if you do this the sim will reward you so it's really a moot point.
OK, I really haven't had time to check it out all that much.I do remember someone saying that he(forget who) had used whatif many times and knew how to"work the system" to win over there, I just want to avoid that kind of behavior in this draft that's all I'm saying really.
 
Am I the only one who could give two craps about the SIM? I mean it will be fun and all but I'm not baseing any of my drafting decisions on it. I'm going to take the best players(IMHO) period. :football:
:goodposting:I'm putting together who I think will be the best overall team, and if the sim doesn't think so, so be it. But I'm betting I can put a decent team together for it as well.
 
Am I the only one who could give two craps about the SIM? I mean it will be fun and all but I'm not baseing any of my drafting decisions on it. I'm going to take the best players(IMHO) period.  :football:
:thumbup: I checked out the sim....and I'm confident that if you do this the sim will reward you so it's really a moot point.
OK, I really haven't had time to check it out all that much.I do remember someone saying that he(forget who) had used whatif many times and knew how to"work the system" to win over there, I just want to avoid that kind of behavior in this draft that's all I'm saying really.
Completely agree. I'm sure it's got quirks like any program....I'm sure most of us don't know about them (I don't...just signed up and looked at the free stuff like ballpark info). The people that do know I would hope wouldn't take advantage. As Cappy would say, "that's not why we're here".
 

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