***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (1 Viewer)

[UCONN]

Gents, I literally just got back in town. If there was a replacement for me, fine....understood...no prob.I did, however, receive a PM asking me to pick. Am I still a part of this? Should I make a pick now ?

You got replaced. I think we might have somebody else that is MIA. I'd pm Cappy.

 

[Nipsey]

by the way nipper..Cy lost over 300 games

Guy had over 800 starts! Geez, tough crowd!

 

[Capella]

did Higgins delete his post, or am I missing something?

 

[higgins]

did Higgins delete his post, or am I missing something?

Yeah, Just got back in town and read thru the threads ... saw that I got replaced (I would have done the same thing to get the draft going). Just let me know if you guys need a replacement, any help, yadda yadda.

 

[Capella]

did Higgins delete his post, or am I missing something?

Yeah, Just got back in town and read thru the threads ... saw that I got replaced (I would have done the same thing to get the draft going). Just let me know if you guys need a replacement, any help, yadda yadda.

PM SENT

 

[Capella]

I wouldn't mind having Higgins help out with Team Funkley if he wants too.

bump for higgins

 

[Capella]

I guess I'll have to check out the site.Anyone know if they try to adjust stats based on the era? Okay, I'll shut up now.

not sure about that, honestly..I imagine they have it set up in the program that a power hitter in the 20s would be a power hitter today, but I'm not sure how they adjust for it.check the site out..they have a free trial where you can sign up and go through the whole process, only for a shorter season (30 games or something).

 

[UCONN]

STADIUM DRAFT (one round only, inverse order of Player Draft)

1) Larryboy -- County Stadium, Milwaukee

2) Spartans -- Palace of the Fans, Cincinatti

3) UCONN -- Shibe Park (Connie Mack Stadium), Philadelphia

4) Kraft -- Fenway Park, Boston

5) funkley -- Sportsman's Park, St. Louis

6) Koya -- Ebbets Field, Brooklyn

7) bogart -- Ballpark at Arlington

8) Doug B -- Griffith Stadium, Washington, DC

9) Harrier -- Bank One Ballpark, Phoenix

10) Pickles -- Wrigley Field, Chicago

11) Sammy3469 -- Tiger Stadium, Detroit

12) Nipsey -- Yankee Stadium, New York

13) Capella --Polo Grounds, New York

14) lastresort  -- on the clock

15) Spock --

16) pumpnick --

MLB PLAYER DRAFT

ROUND ONE

1) pumpnick -- SP  Walter Johnson

2) Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax

3) lastresort  -- OF  Babe Ruth

4) Capella -- OF Willie Mays

5) Nipsey -- SP Cy Young

6) Sammy3469 -- OF Ted Williams

7) Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig

8) Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds

9) Doug B -- OF Stan Musial

10) bogart -- on the clock

11) Koya --

12) funkley --

13) Kraft --

14) UCONN --

15) Spartans --

16) Larryboy --

nipsey!

bump for Koya. Hornsby went 10.

 

[Koya]

You guys are making this hard one me, as right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped. Namely because position wise, some are overlooking the obvious, and I REALLY wanted to take one player in particular.

However, baseball is won by pitching.

How about the consensus #2 all time pitcher. How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either).

How about NINE Era Crowns?

How about being the TOP OVERALL adjusted ERA EVER (for non active players)

Two Pitching Triple Crowns

An MVP - as a pitcher!

7 CONSECUTIVE Strike out crowns.

3 Time leader in complete games... when pitchers were men and did such crazy things as toss 9 innings.

3 Time Shutout Leader.

4 Time wins Leader (top 3 seven times, top 4 nine times)

8 CONSECUTIVE 20 win seasons.

Considered by the baseball experts as one of the two or three pitchers that can be mentioned as possible contenders to Walter Johnsons "best ever" crown (only perhaps a shorter career held him back, as he got a late start in the majors, but for his time in the majors, was the most dominant pitcher in the game)...

Lefty Grove

Robert Moses Grove

Bats Left, Throws Left

Height 6' 3", Weight 190 lb.

There are a couple glamour names out there at positions, but I see pitching is valued in this draft, as well it should be. One great picther and 9 good players will be 9 great players and one good pitcher almost any day. Any time, any era, Lefty is one of the absolute elite of the elite. Very happy with this pick.

 

[UCONN]

STADIUM DRAFT (one round only, inverse order of Player Draft)1) Larryboy -- County Stadium, Milwaukee

2) Spartans -- Palace of the Fans, Cincinatti

3) UCONN -- Shibe Park (Connie Mack Stadium), Philadelphia

4) Kraft -- Fenway Park, Boston

5) funkley -- Sportsman's Park, St. Louis

6) Koya -- Ebbets Field, Brooklyn

7) bogart -- Ballpark at Arlington

8) Doug B -- Griffith Stadium, Washington, DC

9) Harrier -- Bank One Ballpark, Phoenix

10) Pickles -- Wrigley Field, Chicago

11) Sammy3469 -- Tiger Stadium, Detroit

12) Nipsey -- Yankee Stadium, New York

13) Capella --Polo Grounds, New York

14) lastresort  -- on the clock

15) Spock --

16) pumpnick --

MLB PLAYER DRAFT

ROUND ONE

1) pumpnick -- SP  Walter Johnson

2) Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax

3) lastresort  -- OF  Babe Ruth

4) Capella -- OF Willie Mays

5) Nipsey -- SP Cy Young

6) Sammy3469 -- OF Ted Williams

7) Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig

8) Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds

9) Doug B -- OF Stan Musial

10) bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby

11) Koya -- SP Lefty Grove

12) funkley -- Up

13) Kraft -- on deck

14) UCONN -- in the hole

15) Spartans --

16) Larryboy --

...

 

[14379]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

 

[UCONN]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

King Air=Harrier from now on, right?

 

[Koya]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

Oh ya gotta talk some ####. When the other players are taken I will note them (two position players in particular, because there are two pitchers I have just below Lefty, but Lefty and two position players should be all time top ten, IMO and the opinion of many experts who certainly know a lot more than I do).

 

[Mr. Pickles]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

 

[14379]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

King Air=Harrier from now on, right?

Until Thursday, around say, 1:50pm or so.

 

[UCONN]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

King Air=Harrier from now on, right?

Until Thursday, around say, 1:50pm or so.

Did he get a to? I got a thread deleted today that simply asked how many pot smokers in here didn't smoke cigs.

 

[Nipsey]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

King Air=Harrier from now on, right?

Until Thursday, around say, 1:50pm or so.

:rotflmao: What a ####### backwoods hick you are....

 

[14379]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

King Air=Harrier from now on, right?

Until Thursday, around say, 1:50pm or so.

:rotflmao: What a ####### backwoods hick you are....

:reported:

 

[Nipsey]

You guys are making this hard one me

right now that there are 3 players that should in NO way have dropped

position wise, some are overlooking the obvious

How he dropped past anyone not names Walter Johnson, I dont know (and the other two behind him are yet to be picked, either)

Man, I guess I wish we were smarter.

King Air=Harrier from now on, right?

Until Thursday, around say, 1:50pm or so.

:rotflmao: What a ####### backwoods hick you are....

:reported:

No problem, I'll just have KingNipsey make my picks from now on....

 

[Koya]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

 

[UCONN]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

One of the best left handed pitchers ever. Nice pick.

 

[Nipsey]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Did he win the Cy Young?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Not arguing at all. It's a great pick.

 

[Koya]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

One of the best left handed pitchers ever. Nice pick.

Thanks UCONN. I will discuss more later, but it was a HARD choice. One of my FAV players from my '87 computer simulation game was on the board, but whereas 7 or so positional players went, there was a chance to get what some think was the best ever pitcher (I believe it is Walter personally, although a part of that is because of a longer career, just passing on what I have read) and truly is the consensus #2 ever pitcher.Even those who disagree with the conventional wisdom that Lefty is #2 will almost always have him at #3. Other than Ruth, he is on par with anyone. I find it interesting that although the big/fun names that everyone knows and talks about from back in the day are poisitional, in a draft already a number of pitchers have gone. I obviously do not disagree, but am pleasantly surpised.

 

[Koya]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Not arguing at all. It's a great pick.

All I know from drafts is arguing.F'n Nipsey.

 

[UCONN]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Did he win the Cy Young?

No...but he won 2 triple crowns. Cy Young only got 1.edited to add and yes...obviously getting a guy they name the damn pitcher's MVP after is a good pick,

 

[Koya]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Did he win the Cy Young?

Speak of the devil.

 

[Koya]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Did he win the Cy Young?

No...but he won 2 triple crowns. Cy Young only got 1.

I think Nips was joking - seeing as the Cy didnt come around until mid '50s.

 

[Nipsey]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Did he win the Cy Young?

No...but he won 2 triple crowns. Cy Young only got 1.

I think Nips was joking - seeing as the Cy didnt come around until mid '50s.

You're right...BTW, when did they start giving out the Lefty Grove award?

 

[Koya]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Did he win the Cy Young?

No...but he won 2 triple crowns. Cy Young only got 1.

I think Nips was joking - seeing as the Cy didnt come around until mid '50s.

You're right...BTW, when did they start giving out the Lefty Grove award?

Dont get me wrong, Cy Young is considerably more legendary a player than Lefty. His overall career is also more impressive (goodness, 500+ wins?).However, Lefty was the better picther.

Lefty/Cy

2/1 Triple Crowns

1/? MVP (curious to know if any objective articles mention if Cy would have won one? two? more?

9/2 ERA Crowns

4/5 Tops in Wins

7(consecutive)/2 Stike Out Crowns

5/7 Walks+Hits/9 inn

3/3 Complete Games Lead

300/511 Career Wins

9/73 Place All Time Winning Percentage

1/17 Career Ajusted ERA (non active)

I have highlighted the career stats where there is a major discrpency either way. Other than pitching much longer, Cy really doesnt show anything to say he was the superior pitcher to Lefty. Lefty on the other had far more ERA and SO crowns - and even the even numbers (i.e. tops in wins, complete games) are suspect since Cy picthed twice as long.

I would gladly accept if you put this to poll with "who would you rather start a baseball team - Cy Young or Lefty.

Cy may have the history. But Lefty had a more lethal arm. My opinion at least.

 

[Nipsey]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's. Who you starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch."

 

[Koya]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's. Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

 

[Nipsey]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's. Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

 

[14379]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's. Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

 

[Nipsey]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

 

[lastresort66]

lmao at 20 wins being some kind of benchmark for older era pitchers.

You are correct that 20 wins really is not a big mark back in the day... but it did mean something. But the rest of that stat line is rather impressive I think (Lefty's). After all, 4 of those 8 seasons he LED the league in wins. It is hard to dispute that stat - espcially coming from someone with the top OVERALL adjusted era (for non active players) and 9 era crowns in his day.

Did he win the Cy Young?

No...but he won 2 triple crowns. Cy Young only got 1.

I think Nips was joking - seeing as the Cy didnt come around until mid '50s.

You're right...BTW, when did they start giving out the Lefty Grove award?

Dont get me wrong, Cy Young is considerably more legendary a player than Lefty. His overall career is also more impressive (goodness, 500+ wins?).However, Lefty was the better picther.

Lefty/Cy

2/1 Triple Crowns

1/? MVP (curious to know if any objective articles mention if Cy would have won one? two? more?

9/2 ERA Crowns

4/5 Tops in Wins

7(consecutive)/2 Stike Out Crowns

5/7 Walks+Hits/9 inn

3/3 Complete Games Lead

300/511 Career Wins

9/73 Place All Time Winning Percentage

1/17 Career Ajusted ERA (non active)

I have highlighted the career stats where there is a major discrpency either way. Other than pitching much longer, Cy really doesnt show anything to say he was the superior pitcher to Lefty. Lefty on the other had far more ERA and SO crowns - and even the even numbers (i.e. tops in wins, complete games) are suspect since Cy picthed twice as long.

I would gladly accept if you put this to poll with "who would you rather start a baseball team - Cy Young or Lefty.

Cy may have the history. But Lefty had a more lethal arm. My opinion at least.

You can make an arguement for either Grove or Young. Both were excellent pitchers and both are easily Top 5. Grove was a bit better in his day, IMO, but you can't tell me that you can go wrong with picking Grove over Young, you just can't. In fact, if I had 1 game to win and I had to choose between those two, I'd take Grove 7 out of 10 times.

 

[lastresort66]

LastResort's ballpark will be the soon-to-be-demolished Busch Stadium. Pretty equal park as far as pitching/hitting goes, maybe leaning pitching during most of it's history. Mark McGwire proved that theory wrong in 1998, though.

 

[Koya]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

 

[UCONN]

Spock then pumpnick and we're done picking parks.

 

[Koya]

Nipsey is looking for an early alliance.

Since he knows he will alienate at least 13 teams within the next week.

 

[Nipsey]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

Here we go with the "one game" argument from Koya. Why not just draft Julio Santana and be done with it already. Or maybe take Dave Righetti (but only for that start he had that no-no)....C'mon, LeBron didn't work out and you still haven't learned the lesson?

 

[UCONN]

Will Koya take the bait....

 

[Koya]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

Here we go with the "one game" argument from Koya. Why not just draft Julio Santana and be done with it already. Or maybe take Dave Righetti (but only for that start he had that no-no)....C'mon, LeBron didn't work out and you still haven't learned the lesson?

Nips, if you are lookin for a fight you are fighting up the wrong tree. Lefty had almost a decade of the most dominating pitching ever. He was more dominating in his best 7 years than Young was in his best 7 years. That is a plenty long enough sample from which to judge the question at hand:Your team, my team. 7 game series. Who gonna win, who gonna win?

I would prefer Lefty. You would prefer Cy.

Hey, can not go wrong either way. But in this context, I truly believe Lefty is the choice (matchups etc. excluded. I have yet to memorize breakdown right vs. lefty in each park )

 

[Nipsey]

Will Koya take the bait....

no bait, I'm just tired of his "my guy will win the (one) game" argument. didn't work in NBA draft, won't work here....

 

[Koya]

Will Koya take the bait....

Naw. I realized that stooping to the level of personal insinuations, straw man logic and the ol' you ruin things and Im taking the ball and going home followed by an arguement is not worth it.

 

[Politician Spock]

Spock's Stadium will be Braves Field in Boston.Not only will the left handed studs of Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Gehrig, and Musial all be facing the left handed Sandy Koufax, but they'll be looking at a fence 405 feet away in the corners and 440 to center. There will be no "Earl Weaver - wait for the three run homer" success here. You come to our place, and you will play baseball the way it was intended to be played: hit and run, steal, sacrifice - move those runners.

 

[UCONN]

Nice pick Spock. That's where I had you pegged to play.

 

[lastresort66]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

Here we go with the "one game" argument from Koya. Why not just draft Julio Santana and be done with it already. Or maybe take Dave Righetti (but only for that start he had that no-no)....C'mon, LeBron didn't work out and you still haven't learned the lesson?

Nips, if you are lookin for a fight you are fighting up the wrong tree. Lefty had almost a decade of the most dominating pitching ever. He was more dominating in his best 7 years than Young was in his best 7 years. That is a plenty long enough sample from which to judge the question at hand:Your team, my team. 7 game series. Who gonna win, who gonna win?

I would prefer Lefty. You would prefer Cy.

Hey, can not go wrong either way. But in this context, I truly believe Lefty is the choice (matchups etc. excluded. I have yet to memorize breakdown right vs. lefty in each park )

This should be a poll.

 

[Nipsey]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

Here we go with the "one game" argument from Koya. Why not just draft Julio Santana and be done with it already. Or maybe take Dave Righetti (but only for that start he had that no-no)....C'mon, LeBron didn't work out and you still haven't learned the lesson?

Nips, if you are lookin for a fight you are fighting up the wrong tree. Lefty had almost a decade of the most dominating pitching ever. He was more dominating in his best 7 years than Young was in his best 7 years. That is a plenty long enough sample from which to judge the question at hand:Your team, my team. 7 game series. Who gonna win, who gonna win?

I would prefer Lefty. You would prefer Cy.

Hey, can not go wrong either way. But in this context, I truly believe Lefty is the choice (matchups etc. excluded. I have yet to memorize breakdown right vs. lefty in each park )

Throw all the numbers you want at me, but only one counts.Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.

Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

More wins, better percentage, in a longer career. Cy Young. And they even named an award after him.

Lefty is a nice pitcher, but to say you'd rather have him over Young is .

 

[Koya]

Will Koya take the bait....

no bait, I'm just tired of his "my guy will win the (one) game" argument. didn't work in NBA draft, won't work here....

Lebron was a fun off the wall pick that caused much crazy back and forth.Lefty Grove and Cy Young both have all their assets out there to examine. They are on an even playing field in that respect. More longevity and more lasting exceptional play from Cy vs. a shorter but even more dominating career during that span. It is a straw man arguement (at the least a false analogy) to compare the two. Actually, it is straw man. Because my pick in another draft was bad Cy is better than Lefty. Um... ok?... this one game thing is a red herring. I mean, doesnt it come down to how these guys would do in the same circumstances on the field? If Nipsey does not want to compare these guys on "one game" that is fine. I will do 7 games. or a season. or a 3 year span (back to back triple crowns anyone? oh yes, Lefty). or a 5 year span. or a 7 year span .I will grant Cy Young this..if you are looking for the best 12+ years, then he wins.