***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (1 Viewer)

[Capella]

, so in conclusion, Hank Aaron was was one of the best hitters of all-time, and an easy pick for the first round of any respectable Major League Baseball draft.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Albert "Joey" Belle.Deal with it.

 

[Kraft...]

People w/ Disease draft:1. Gehrig (Gehrig)2. Bonds (for "future" unnamed disease)3. Dravecky (arm cancer)4. Kruk (testicular cancer)5. Magic (HIV/homosexuality)6. Ali (Parkinsons)7. Chamberlain (STD's)8. '99 Cowboys (Drugs)9. Harry Caray (Not sure)10.11.12.13.14.15.16.

IWKS is up.....

Lance Armstrong, another single baller

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Lance Armstrong, another single baller

Folks, I think we have the makings of a run..

 

[Capella]

big whoop. gerhig was dead at 38. top that.

"It's Pickles vs. Nipsey in the FFA All-time people with disease draft today.""Nice, who's Pickles starting?""Stephen Hawking.""What does he have?""ALS, I think.""Who's Nipsey starting?"Lou Gehrig.""Ouch."

:rotflmao: I missed this.man, Nipsey was on his game last night.

 

[Capella]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season .355 BA (led league).401 OBP (2nd).636 Slg (1st)1.037 OPS (1st)3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

 

[Funkley]

, so in conclusion, Hank Aaron was was one of the best hitters of all-time, and an easy pick for the first round of any respectable Major League Baseball draft.

Correct.

 

[Funkley]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.EDIT: BTW, thanks for submitting my pick for me. Maybe next time my pm should come with a timer or a bell to help you remember.

 

[Bogart]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.

Correct.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.EDIT: BTW, thanks for submitting my pick for me. Maybe next time my pm should come with a timer or a bell to help you remember.

:rotflmao:

 

[Kraft...]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.

Correct.

The two pitchers going 1-2(and the Lefty pick) threw things off a bit(from what I was expecting anyway)

 

[shuke]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season .355 BA (led league).401 OBP (2nd).636 Slg (1st)1.037 OPS (1st)3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

 

[Capella]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season .355 BA (led league).401 OBP (2nd).636 Slg (1st)1.037 OPS (1st)3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

you don't consider those numbers pretty dominant?

 

[Capella]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.EDIT: BTW, thanks for submitting my pick for me. Maybe next time my pm should come with a timer or a bell to help you remember.

GFY

 

[Funkley]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.EDIT: BTW, thanks for submitting my pick for me. Maybe next time my pm should come with a timer or a bell to help you remember.

GFY

Can't. No wet washclothes or pr0n at work.

 

[shuke]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season .355 BA (led league).401 OBP (2nd).636 Slg (1st)1.037 OPS (1st)3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

you don't consider those numbers pretty dominant?

Yes, that year was dominating. I'm not trying to discount anything he did, but he had too much competition from Mays, Cepeda, Clemente, etc. to ever have any type of stretch of domination.

 

[Capella]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season

.355 BA (led league)

.401 OBP (2nd)

.636 Slg (1st)

1.037 OPS (1st)

3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.

but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

you don't consider those numbers pretty dominant?

Yes, that year was dominating. I'm not trying to discount anything he did, but he had too much competition from Mays, Cepeda, Clemente, etc. to ever have any type of stretch of domination.

I agree he played with some great players, but this whole 'he was never dominant' argument is bull####.Aaron's 1963 season

.319 BA (3rd)

.391 OBA (2nd)

.586 SLG (1st)

.977 OPS (1st)

201 hits (2)

370 total bases (1)

44 homers (1)

130 RBIs (1)

121 Runs (1)

31 stolen bases (2)

What in the hell more does a guy have to do to be considered dominant? Hit 120 homers in a season? That's twice now I've shown him completely run over a league offensively..do you or KingAir still believe otherwise? He even stole 31 damn bags that year.

 

[Sammy3469]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season

.355 BA (led league)

.401 OBP (2nd)

.636 Slg (1st)

1.037 OPS (1st)

3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.

but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

you don't consider those numbers pretty dominant?

Yes, that year was dominating. I'm not trying to discount anything he did, but he had too much competition from Mays, Cepeda, Clemente, etc. to ever have any type of stretch of domination.

I agree he played with some great players, but this whole 'he was never dominant' argument is bull####.Aaron's 1963 season

.319 BA (3rd)

.391 OBA (2nd)

.586 SLG (1st)

.977 OPS (1st)

201 hits (2)

370 total bases (1)

44 homers (1)

130 RBIs (1)

121 Runs (1)

31 stolen bases (2)

What in the hell more does a guy have to do to be considered dominant? Hit 120 homers in a season? That's twice now I've shown him completely run over a league offensively..do you or KingAir still believe otherwise? He even stole 31 damn bags that year.

He needed to do all that with an enlarged head or while swilling booze.

 

[shuke]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season

.355 BA (led league)

.401 OBP (2nd)

.636 Slg (1st)

1.037 OPS (1st)

3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.

but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

you don't consider those numbers pretty dominant?

Yes, that year was dominating. I'm not trying to discount anything he did, but he had too much competition from Mays, Cepeda, Clemente, etc. to ever have any type of stretch of domination.

I agree he played with some great players, but this whole 'he was never dominant' argument is bull####.Aaron's 1963 season

.319 BA (3rd)

.391 OBA (2nd)

.586 SLG (1st)

.977 OPS (1st)

201 hits (2)

370 total bases (1)

44 homers (1)

130 RBIs (1)

121 Runs (1)

31 stolen bases (2)

What in the hell more does a guy have to do to be considered dominant? Hit 120 homers in a season? That's twice now I've shown him completely run over a league offensively..do you or KingAir still believe otherwise? He even stole 31 damn bags that year.

Dude, he was awesome. But I think you're missing my point.He never had a 3 or 4 year stretch where he was consistently the NL's most dominant hitter.

Like I said, I missed the beginning of the argument, and I'm guessing that's what the person was saying.

 

[oso diablo]

MLB PLAYER DRAFTROUND ONE10) bogart -- 2B Honus Wagner

I thought this pick was Rogers Hornsby, not Honus (who was a SS).

 

[Kraft...]

MLB PLAYER DRAFTROUND ONE10) bogart -- 2B Honus Wagner

I thought this pick was Rogers Hornsby, not Honus (who was a SS).

You're correct that's a mistake

 

[larry_boy_44]

who are the consultants for this thing...I wanna run my thoughts about the turn pick past someone and make sure I'm not crazy...

 

[Capella]

who are the consultants for this thing...I wanna run my thoughts about the turn pick past someone and make sure I'm not crazy...

RedRaiders is the ***official*** consultant..send him a PM.

 

[Bogart]

Which comes first: the completion of round one, or 20 pages on this "draft" thread??

 

[Sammy3469]

MLB PLAYER DRAFTROUND ONE10) bogart -- 2B Honus Wagner

I thought this pick was Rogers Hornsby, not Honus (who was a SS).

You're correct that's a mistake

Your right. I'm an idiot.

 

[shuke]

who are the consultants for this thing...I wanna run my thoughts about the turn pick past someone and make sure I'm not crazy...

Hit me.

 

[Funkley]

Which comes first: the completion of round one, or 20 pages on this "draft" thread??

And this draft doesn't even have Squidward.

 

[shuke]

***OFFICIAL*** ANNOUNCEMENTshuke, redraiders, and Jzilla will be acting as consultants for larry_boy from this point forward. Larry - just PM one or more of us your thoughts and we will discuss and get back to you.

 

[Capella]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season

.355 BA (led league)

.401 OBP (2nd)

.636 Slg (1st)

1.037 OPS (1st)

3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.

but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

you don't consider those numbers pretty dominant?

Yes, that year was dominating. I'm not trying to discount anything he did, but he had too much competition from Mays, Cepeda, Clemente, etc. to ever have any type of stretch of domination.

I agree he played with some great players, but this whole 'he was never dominant' argument is bull####.Aaron's 1963 season

.319 BA (3rd)

.391 OBA (2nd)

.586 SLG (1st)

.977 OPS (1st)

201 hits (2)

370 total bases (1)

44 homers (1)

130 RBIs (1)

121 Runs (1)

31 stolen bases (2)

What in the hell more does a guy have to do to be considered dominant? Hit 120 homers in a season? That's twice now I've shown him completely run over a league offensively..do you or KingAir still believe otherwise? He even stole 31 damn bags that year.

Dude, he was awesome. But I think you're missing my point.He never had a 3 or 4 year stretch where he was consistently the NL's most dominant hitter.

Like I said, I missed the beginning of the argument, and I'm guessing that's what the person was saying.

Disagree (again)let's look at a four-year stretch of time covering 1956-1959

'56-59 top 4 in BA each year, two #1 finishes

'56-59 top 10 in OBP 3 times, no #1 (9, 6, 2)

'56-59 top 3 in SLG 4 times, one #1 finish

'56-59 top 4 in OPS 4 times, one #1 finish

'56-59 top 4 in runs 4 times, one #1 finish

'56-59 top 3 in hits 4 times, two #1 finishes

'56-59 top 3 in total bases 4 times, 3 #1 finishes

'56-59 top 5 in homers 3 times, 1 #1 finish

'56-59 top 10 in RBIs 4 times, 1 #1 finish

'56-59 top top 3 in MVP 4 times, 1 MVP

3 gold gloves in that span (50 total outfield assists in that span)

in those categories he finished with league leading stats 12 times, a few seconds, 10 third place finishes and a bunch of other top-5 and 10s.

To me, that's pretty ####ing dominant. That's a lot of categories, over a healthy stretch of time. Even threw in some defense.

 

[RedRaiders]

To clarify what shuke said - pm HIM with suggestions and we will discuss in super secret draft cave. Do not PM me. Thanks

 

[Kraft...]

MLB PLAYER DRAFT

Updated picks

ROUND ONE

1) pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson

2) Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax

3) lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth

4) Capella -- OF Willie Mays

5) Nipsey -- P CY Young

6) Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams

7) Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig

8) Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds

9) Doug B -- OF Stan Musial

10) bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby

11) Koya -- P Lefty Grove

12) funkley -- OF Ty Cobb

13) Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron

14) UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle

15) Spartans -- ON THE CLOCK

16) Larryboy --

 

[Capella]

To clarify what shuke said - pm HIM with suggestions and we will discuss in super secret draft cave. Do not PM me. Thanks

PM to draft cave pleaseTIA

 

[Koya]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.

Correct.

The two pitchers going 1-2(and the Lefty pick) threw things off a bit(from what I was expecting anyway)

As I mentioned, Cobb was one of two players I would have considered in lieu of Lefty. I thought people might not look to pitching early, and thought I might be the lucky one to get Walter Johnson - but when he went off the board at 1.1 I knew that people here understood how baseball games and series are won!If no other pitchers were taken, I might have gone with my other option had he been there (Cobb was my third option), however noticing the early run on pitching, the chance to get what many experts believe to be the 2nd best picther in history (a few argue he is the best, I dont agree. A few more believe he is #3-5, which I can not argue with really but I cant get into names as they arent yet drafted).That said, Cobb should have gone top 5 or top 7 in terms of positional players. Pitching vs. Hitting is simply a strategic play.i.e. I think Cobb might be a better "player" than Lefty... but I believe pitching is such a premium, and has such a stronger effect on the game, that I believed it was better to go that route. It came down to top 2-3 pitcher vs. top 5 position player. But if you believe that position player is the way to start this draft, getting Cobb that late is a steal.

 

[Koya]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season .355 BA (led league).401 OBP (2nd).636 Slg (1st)1.037 OPS (1st)3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

That is not a point. It is pretty much accepted as fact. Well, at least the opinion of almost everyone in the game.

 

[Koya]

Hank Aaron's 1959 season .355 BA (led league).401 OBP (2nd).636 Slg (1st)1.037 OPS (1st)3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.but as you say..

But at no time during his career was he the Best

what the #### more does the man have to do? I can't wait to hear the retort to this.

patiently waiting..

I missed the initial argument, but maybe the point is that he was never the league's most dominant player for any stretch.

you don't consider those numbers pretty dominant?

Yes, that year was dominating. I'm not trying to discount anything he did, but he had too much competition from Mays, Cepeda, Clemente, etc. to ever have any type of stretch of domination.

Cap, according to Nipsey, you are taking a minute snippet of his career. According to Nipsey, you therefor have taken a terrible terrible pick.(well, that is his knowledge, but I think its a decent pick. not my choice but I cant argue it, either)

 

[Doug B]

The Aaron discussion is insane. Hammerin' Hank is justifiable at any 1st round slot -- including 1.01.

The one and only reason I didn't take Aaron at 1.09 was that I felt Griffith Stadium would rob him of some HRs. And still, looking back on it, can I really say that a player with Aaron's tools couldn't succeed anywhere? Perhaps he'd have to rely more on contact than power at home, but wouldn't that have worked, too?

The dude belongs in the first, no question. And he was a huge steal at 1.13.

...

UCONN, I knew there was no way, but re: Mantle ...



.

 

[shuke]

I'm sure an argument could be made that Banks, Mays, and Frank Robinson were just as dominating over that stretch.

 

[Kraft...]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.

Correct.

The two pitchers going 1-2(and the Lefty pick) threw things off a bit(from what I was expecting anyway)

As I mentioned, Cobb was one of two players I would have considered in lieu of Lefty. I thought people might not look to pitching early, and thought I might be the lucky one to get Walter Johnson - but when he went off the board at 1.1 I knew that people here understood how baseball games and series are won!If no other pitchers were taken, I might have gone with my other option had he been there (Cobb was my third option), however noticing the early run on pitching, the chance to get what many experts believe to be the 2nd best picther in history (a few argue he is the best, I dont agree. A few more believe he is #3-5, which I can not argue with really but I cant get into names as they arent yet drafted).That said, Cobb should have gone top 5 or top 7 in terms of positional players. Pitching vs. Hitting is simply a strategic play. i.e. I think Cobb might be a better "player" than Lefty... but I believe pitching is such a premium, and has such a stronger effect on the game, that I believed it was better to go that route. It came down to top 2-3 pitcher vs. top 5 position player. But if you believe that position player is the way to start this draft, getting Cobb that late is a steal.

So what you're saying is you're useing a VBD strategy then. As opposed to best available.

 

[Gatorman]

Are the negro leagues being included in this draft?If not, I would like to protest this sham of a mockery!

 

[Koya]

I love the Mantle pick. It will be curious to see how he plays out. In his prime, a top 5 player EVER. Arguably top 3. But his prime was cut short by his partying and the subsequent injuries. Will the Nipsey's of the world prevail in that his career was hurt by these factors, or will Mantles utter dominance in his prime (and we are not talking one or two seasons here) come to the forefront. I thought he would go top 10.

 

[Capella]

I'm sure an argument could be made that Banks, Mays, and Frank Robinson were just as dominating over that stretch.

be my guest.

 

[Bogart]

Which comes first: the completion of round one, or 20 pages on this "draft" thread??

And this draft doesn't even have Squidward.

who?

 

[Doug B]

Will the Nipsey's of the world prevail in that his career was hurt by these factors, or will Mantles utter dominance in his prime (and we are not talking one or two seasons here) come to the forefront. I thought he would go top 10.

Trust me, he almost did.Three of my four finalists at 1.09 were Musial, Mantle, Aaron, and someone else.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I love the Mantle pick. It will be curious to see how he plays out. In his prime, a top 5 player EVER. Arguably top 3. But his prime was cut short by his partying and the subsequent injuries. Will the Nipsey's of the world prevail in that his career was hurt by these factors, or will Mantles utter dominance in his prime (and we are not talking one or two seasons here) come to the forefront. I thought he would go top 10.

Great quote here from Al Kaline..When a fan yelled to Kaline in the outfield "you are no Mickey Mantle," Al replied "Son, no one is HALF as good as Mickey Mantle."Pity Mantle never realized his true potential. Think about that for a moment..

 

[Koya]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.

Correct.

The two pitchers going 1-2(and the Lefty pick) threw things off a bit(from what I was expecting anyway)

As I mentioned, Cobb was one of two players I would have considered in lieu of Lefty. I thought people might not look to pitching early, and thought I might be the lucky one to get Walter Johnson - but when he went off the board at 1.1 I knew that people here understood how baseball games and series are won!If no other pitchers were taken, I might have gone with my other option had he been there (Cobb was my third option), however noticing the early run on pitching, the chance to get what many experts believe to be the 2nd best picther in history (a few argue he is the best, I dont agree. A few more believe he is #3-5, which I can not argue with really but I cant get into names as they arent yet drafted).That said, Cobb should have gone top 5 or top 7 in terms of positional players. Pitching vs. Hitting is simply a strategic play. i.e. I think Cobb might be a better "player" than Lefty... but I believe pitching is such a premium, and has such a stronger effect on the game, that I believed it was better to go that route. It came down to top 2-3 pitcher vs. top 5 position player. But if you believe that position player is the way to start this draft, getting Cobb that late is a steal.

So what you're saying is you're useing a VBD strategy then. As opposed to best available.

Not really holding hard and true to any strategy. I will take the best available player to build the best team. I do subscribe the the theory that pitching is more important than hitting. A pitcher is the only player that can singlehandedly win a game... even if it is not every game. This is even more important in a short series where 2-3 great pitchers will win a series almost on their own.I guess you could say VBD had a say in that choice though, yes. There are a certain number of uber elite pitchers and to get at least one will be a necessity. My opinion of course.

 

[Koya]

Cobb shouldn't have fallen to me. That was a damn lucky pick at 12.

Correct.

The two pitchers going 1-2(and the Lefty pick) threw things off a bit(from what I was expecting anyway)

As I mentioned, Cobb was one of two players I would have considered in lieu of Lefty. I thought people might not look to pitching early, and thought I might be the lucky one to get Walter Johnson - but when he went off the board at 1.1 I knew that people here understood how baseball games and series are won!If no other pitchers were taken, I might have gone with my other option had he been there (Cobb was my third option), however noticing the early run on pitching, the chance to get what many experts believe to be the 2nd best picther in history (a few argue he is the best, I dont agree. A few more believe he is #3-5, which I can not argue with really but I cant get into names as they arent yet drafted).That said, Cobb should have gone top 5 or top 7 in terms of positional players. Pitching vs. Hitting is simply a strategic play. i.e. I think Cobb might be a better "player" than Lefty... but I believe pitching is such a premium, and has such a stronger effect on the game, that I believed it was better to go that route. It came down to top 2-3 pitcher vs. top 5 position player. But if you believe that position player is the way to start this draft, getting Cobb that late is a steal.

So what you're saying is you're useing a VBD strategy then. As opposed to best available.

sometimes VBD IS the best available. I can say this... two pitchers went in the first round that were #5-10 overall for me... so the chance to jump in and get a top 5 guy (really top 3 according to most) was too good to pass up. Two pitchers had first round value to me... Walter (I dreamed he would fall) and Lefty. If I were at the very end of the round, perhaps one other.Ok, off to meet the mayor (for real). be back around noon.

 

[Koya]

I love the Mantle pick. It will be curious to see how he plays out. In his prime, a top 5 player EVER. Arguably top 3. But his prime was cut short by his partying and the subsequent injuries. Will the Nipsey's of the world prevail in that his career was hurt by these factors, or will Mantles utter dominance in his prime (and we are not talking one or two seasons here) come to the forefront. I thought he would go top 10.

Great quote here from Al Kaline..When a fan yelled to Kaline in the outfield "you are no Mickey Mantle," Al replied "Son, no one is HALF as good as Mickey Mantle."Pity Mantle never realized his true potential. Think about that for a moment..

Arguably the most TALENTED player. EVER. These are the fun arguements.Ok, now im out.

 

[Capella]

you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.

 

[Sammy3469]

you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.

including Joey Belle

 

[Mr. Pickles]

you guys are doing VBD?there's like 40,000 players to choose from.

I built my own app.