What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (3 Viewers)

Belle is a very likely hall of famer based on all the hall of fame stats....he's also a draftable (but far from dominant) outfielder on the sim.edited to add Belle has the 62nd highest Black Ink score ever and the 90th best HOF monitor score...both scores are well over what it usually takes to get in the hall....

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Nice pick Nipsey. Morgan was another guy I considered. I'd have considered trading up w/ my third round pick to get him to tell the truth if this was a draft w/ trades.
Guys a great player and will be great for the sim...but I think taking him so high will be a liabilty in the voting. i don't know. This draft is tough. I narrowed it down to 14 guys and could have made a case for any one of them.
He's often considered the best second baseman of "modern" baseball. I highly doubt that pick will hurt you in the voting.
 
MLB PLAYER DRAFTUpdated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella2.14 Last Resort2.15 Spock2.16 PumpnickCappy pick in a second..

 
JOE MORGAN

Morgan was a rare commodity, a speedy second baseman with power. The 5'7" 150-lb Little Joe was also one of the smallest number-three hitters in recent baseball history. Morgan ranks third all-time in walks behind Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. He is also the only second baseman to win consecutive MVP awards, in 1975 and 1976. In the batter's box, Morgan would flap his front elbow distinctively as a timing device, and he was a major component of the Big Red Machine, the first National League team to win consecutive World Series since the 1921-22 New York Giants.

Morgan started his career in the spacious Astrodome, and actually spent more years with Houston than with Cincinnati. He was the main player acquired by the Reds in a nine-player swap that sent Lee May to the Astros. Morgan's power was shown to better advantage in Riverfront Stadium, helped by coaching from Ted Kluszewski. Morgan doubled his home run output in two seasons. His first year in Cincinnati, he made the All-Star team for only the second time, and was named the game's MVP when he singled in the winning run in the bottom of the tenth. He ended up leading the league in walks with 115 and runs scored with 122.

In 1975 Morgan led the NL in walks for the third time with 132, while combining a .327 BA with 17 HR, 94 RBI, and 67 stolen bases. Morgan's MVP season sparked the team into the 1975 World Series against the Red Sox, one of the most exciting Series ever played. Morgan, as usual, was in the thick of the excitement. In Game Three, Morgan knocked in the winning run with a single in the 10th inning. In Game Four, he made the last out in a 5-4 Boston victory. In Game Five, he drew 16 pickoff throws at first just prior to a single by Bench and a three-run homer by Perez. In the seventh and deciding game, Morgan's RBI single in the top of the ninth gave the Reds their first World Championship.

In 1976 Morgan topped his previous power totals with a career-high 27 HR, became only the fifth second baseman to drive in more than 100 runs (111), and led the league in slugging average at .576. He also batted .320, stole 60 bases, and had an on-base average of .516 to earn his straight second MVP. The Reds then swept the Yankees in the Series.

If you're doing an all-time draft, Morgan deserves to be picked somewhere around 15-25. He's a stud and if you drafted a great pitcher first (like a Cy Young), Morgan would be the ultimate compliment to him.

 
Belle is a very likely hall of famer based on all the hall of fame stats....he's also a draftable (but far from dominant) outfielder on the sim.edited to add Belle has the 62nd highest Black Ink score ever and the 90th best HOF monitor score...both scores are well over what it usually takes to get in the hall....
If "Joey" Belle ever makes the HOF, I think I'll cry. I like the Joe Morgan pick, also.
 
As far as Nipsey and everyone else's concerns go--I think it's important that we draft with both the vote and the same in mind. That's what the original rules stated, and that's worth our respect if this is to be at all serious. We can pick the guys with the best careers, sell that to the voters, and if they had great careers then they will have great sims.And as far as the sims go, salaries do not equal wins on that thing, it's a lot more about having a team that fits well together and makes good baseball sense, in terms of speed, power, ERA, durability, and all sorts of other stuff.

 
Belle is a very likely hall of famer based on all the hall of fame stats....he's also a draftable (but far from dominant) outfielder on the sim.edited to add Belle has the 62nd highest Black Ink score ever and the 90th best HOF monitor score...both scores are well over what it usually takes to get in the hall....
If "Joey" Belle ever makes the HOF, I think I'll cry. I like the Joe Morgan pick, also.
my bad...I was referring to Albert....edited to add I'd be very suprised if Belle doesn't end up in the HOF...the writers may not like him, but he got it done on the field.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
And as far as the sims go, salaries do not equal wins on that thing, it's a lot more about having a team that fits well together and makes good baseball sense, in terms of speed, power, ERA, durability, and all sorts of other stuff.
Is this true?
 
Pete Rose

One of the best pure hitters ever. Will do write-up later, but I knew he wouldn't get past LastResort on the turn. Little surprised he got to me actually.

 
As far as Nipsey and everyone else's concerns go--I think it's important that we draft with both the vote and the same in mind. That's what the original rules stated, and that's worth our respect if this is to be at all serious. We can pick the guys with the best careers, sell that to the voters, and if they had great careers then they will have great sims.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
 
btw, there's no chance in hell Albert Belle makes into the HOF..take a look at Jim Rice if you want to see where Belle will be 10 years from now, in regards to the Hall.

 
Pete Rose

One of the best pure hitters ever. Will do write-up later, but I knew he wouldn't get past LastResort on the turn. Little surprised he got to me actually.
This was the guy I was torn on. In a vote, he's the guy to take. But on that sim, his salaries are incredibly low. He wasn't even in the top 100....Love the guy and can't believe I passed on him, but felt I had to.

 
Guys who hit damn near 300 for their career...challenge for a number of batting titles, win a hr title and lead the league in rbi's 3 times did something right. He was the best right handed hitter in baseball for the good part of his career and in that relatively short career (not all that uncommon to have shorter careers in recent athletics) he hit more hr's than all but 49 other players in the history of the game. People may not like him....but he could play (and the people signing his paychecks sure thought so...he was the highest paid player in the game for 4 straight yrs.).edited to add I'm sure Jim Rice will make it as well....even the great Cy Young didn't make it his first year eligible according to Oso, ;)

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Guys who hit damn near 300 for their career...challenge for a number of batting titles, win a hr title and lead the league in rbi's 3 times did something right. He was the best right handed hitter in baseball for the good part of his career and in that relatively short career (not all that uncommon to have shorter careers in recent athletics) he hit more hr's than all but 49 other players in the history of the game. People may not like him....but he could play (and the people signing his paychecks sure thought so...he was the highest paid player in the game for 4 straight yrs.).
I'll reiterate what I wrote before...there is no well Belle is ever going to be in the HOF. Canseco and Belle represent the the start of the new live-ball era. Neither of them will ever make the hall.
 
I feel sorry for Sammy....the people around him always come in and then don't pick....
:confused: I've been waiting all day. What are you saying? It's not like we're going to make more than 3 or four picks the rest of the night...do the salaries = results? I don't know how that site works. And relax.
As far as pitching, salaries aren't meaingful because they are based heavily on innings pitched. The highest salaried guys are all from the 1880s but they shouldn't be going in this draft.Hitting salaries may mean something, but they seem slanted towards power. Honus's salary isn't exactly through the roof but I'm confident he will be a valuable player.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Guys who hit damn near 300 for their career...challenge for a number of batting titles, win a hr title and lead the league in rbi's 3 times did something right. He was the best right handed hitter in baseball for the good part of his career and in that relatively short career (not all that uncommon to have shorter careers in recent athletics) he hit more hr's than all but 49 other players in the history of the game. People may not like him....but he could play (and the people signing his paychecks sure thought so...he was the highest paid player in the game for 4 straight yrs.).
I'll reiterate what I wrote before...there is no well Belle is ever going to be in the HOF. Canseco and Belle represent the the start of the new live-ball era. Neither of them will ever make the hall.
Whether it was a live ball era or not he was still hitting more hr's than all the other guys those yrs...I'm not a big enough Belle supporter to argue it though.
 
Guys who hit damn near 300 for their career...challenge for a number of batting titles, win a hr title and lead the league in rbi's 3 times did something right. He was the best right handed hitter in baseball for the good part of his career and in that relatively short career (not all that uncommon to have shorter careers in recent athletics) he hit more hr's than all but 49 other players in the history of the game. People may not like him....but he could play (and the people signing his paychecks sure thought so...he was the highest paid player in the game for 4 straight yrs.).edited to add I'm sure Jim Rice will make it as well....even the great Cy Young didn't make it his first year eligible according to Oso, ;)
I think part of the problem is that Rice, Dave Parker, and Dale Murphy are all pretty similar. I think the fact that none of them are in are hurting their collective chances.
 
Wouldn't it be easier to keep the draft picks updated in the first post?

Come on over to the cereal draft if you guys want to see how a serious draft is done.

 
my bad...I was referring to Albert....edited to add I'd be very suprised if Belle doesn't end up in the HOF...the writers may not like him, but he got it done on the field.
So were we. C'mon, don't pull a larry_boy here. Joey = Albert.
 
Joe Morgan and Pete Rose were both fantastic picks and I hate the both of you for taking them before me.

With that said, I did plan on getting the guy I'm gonna draft a little later, but what the heck. He's earned more Win Shares than Hornsby. He played for 24 years and averaged 32.90 Win Shares per season. He has more Win Shares than Joe Morgan (who only played 21 seasons, I'll give him that). He's also a bit of an unknown. He is.....

2B Eddie Collins

 
MLB PLAYER DRAFT

Updated picks

ROUND ONE

1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson

1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax

1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth

1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays

1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young

1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams

1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig

1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds

1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial

1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby

1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove

1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb

1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron

1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle

1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner

1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson

2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens

2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez

2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker

2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio

2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx

2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt

2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson

2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn

2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander

2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson

2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews

2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan

2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose

2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins

2.15 Spock ON THE CLOCK

2.16 Pumpnick

 
MLB PLAYER DRAFT

Updated picks

ROUND ONE

1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson

1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax

1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth

1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays

1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young

1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams

1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig

1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds

1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial

1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby

1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove

1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb

1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron

1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle

1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner

1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson

2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens

2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez

2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker

2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio

2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx

2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt

2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson

2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn

2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander

2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson

2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews

2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan

2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose

2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins

2.15 Spock ON THE CLOCK

2.16 Pumpnick
2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose
Can I officially kick Capella in the balls?
 
Nolan Ryan

He had a lot of losses, which could be the only reason he fell this far. But when you play over two decades for the Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers you gotta expect a lot of losses. Heck in 1987 he pitched 211 innings striking out 270 with a 2.76 ERA, yet he went 8-16. Outside the win/loss column, the guy is a stud.

 
Nolan Ryan

He had a lot of losses, which could be the only reason he fell this far. But when you play over two decades for the Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers you gotta expect a lot of losses. Heck in 1987 he pitched 211 innings striking out 270 with a 2.76 ERA, yet he went 8-16. Outside the win/loss column, the guy is a stud.
i agree. the guy gets way too much grief for his huge walk/loss totals. i mean, 7 no-hitters. end of story.
 
Nolan Ryan

He had a lot of losses, which could be the only reason he fell this far. But when you play over two decades for the Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers you gotta expect a lot of losses. Heck in 1987 he pitched 211 innings striking out 270 with a 2.76 ERA, yet he went 8-16. Outside the win/loss column, the guy is a stud.
Not a bad pick. I wasn't particularly eyeing him, as I think he's a tad overrated, but a decent pick nontheless. Can't argue against it, really.
 
I've been very critical of Joe Morgan's work as an announcer and writer for ESPN and ESPN.com, but there is absolutely no denying his greatness as a baseball player. In fact, I believe Joe Morgan is one of the most underrated and under-appreciated players in baseball history. Looking up some of the numbers for this article just hammered that point home with me.Consider that, in 1975, he hit .327/.466/.508, led the league in on-base percentage, OPS, walks and OPS+, ranked among the top 10 in the league in batting average, slugging percentage, runs scored and stolen bases, won a Gold Glove at second base, and was the MVP of the National League. Adjusted to current levels of offense, Morgan hit approximately .330 with a .470 on-base percentage and a .570 slugging percentage, while stealing 67 bases at an 87% clip.And then he went ahead and did even better the next year, hitting .320/.444/.576 while leading the league in on-base percentage, slugging percentage, OPS and OPS+, ranking second in runs scored, RBIs, walks, extra-base hits and stolen bases, and winning another Gold Glove at second base on his way to back-to-back NL MVPs. Translated to today's levels of offense, that works out to around .325/.455/.660, which is absolutely amazing.
 
I've been very critical of Joe Morgan's work as an announcer and writer for ESPN and ESPN.com, but there is absolutely no denying his greatness as a baseball player. In fact, I believe Joe Morgan is one of the most underrated and under-appreciated players in baseball history. Looking up some of the numbers for this article just hammered that point home with me.Consider that, in 1975, he hit .327/.466/.508, led the league in on-base percentage, OPS, walks and OPS+, ranked among the top 10 in the league in batting average, slugging percentage, runs scored and stolen bases, won a Gold Glove at second base, and was the MVP of the National League. Adjusted to current levels of offense, Morgan hit approximately .330 with a .470 on-base percentage and a .570 slugging percentage, while stealing 67 bases at an 87% clip.And then he went ahead and did even better the next year, hitting .320/.444/.576 while leading the league in on-base percentage, slugging percentage, OPS and OPS+, ranking second in runs scored, RBIs, walks, extra-base hits and stolen bases, and winning another Gold Glove at second base on his way to back-to-back NL MVPs. Translated to today's levels of offense, that works out to around .325/.455/.660, which is absolutely amazing.
Nip you checking in on a blackberry? How's the flight?
 
Nolan Ryan

He had a lot of losses, which could be the only reason he fell this far. But when you play over two decades for the Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers you gotta expect a lot of losses. Heck in 1987 he pitched 211 innings striking out 270 with a 2.76 ERA, yet he went 8-16. Outside the win/loss column, the guy is a stud.
I like it. I considered him. Great player for the voting aspect. Koufax-Ryan 1-2 is nice. It's no Young-Young, but fine nonetheless...
 
Probably should go pitcher here, and really like one in particular, but going to go offense.

With Wagner not quite making it back to me, I am going to go back with my original first-round thought. Batting leadoff for The Rabbits and setting the table for Rajah will be:

2.07 - Rickey Henley Henderson - OF

The Man Of Steal is simply the greatest leadoff hitter to ever play the game, and if you don't believe it just ask him.

All-Time leader in Stolen Bases (1406) and Runs (2295). Second all time in Walks and Power/Speed Number. 873 extra base hits with 297 HRs. His typical third best season will be 110 Runs, 100 SB with an OBP of 0.410.
:hot: :rant: :boxing:
 
Nolan Ryan

He had a lot of losses, which could be the only reason he fell this far. But when you play over two decades for the Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers you gotta expect a lot of losses. Heck in 1987 he pitched 211 innings striking out 270 with a 2.76 ERA, yet he went 8-16. Outside the win/loss column, the guy is a stud.
I thought some other pitchers would go before him but still a solid pick, honored I actually got to see him pitch a game live back in the early 90's for Texas. He was pretty old then but was still throwing Gas.
 
I've been very critical of Joe Morgan's work as an announcer and writer for ESPN and ESPN.com, but there is absolutely no denying his greatness as a baseball player. In fact, I believe Joe Morgan is one of the most underrated and under-appreciated players in baseball history. Looking up some of the numbers for this article just hammered that point home with me.Consider that, in 1975, he hit .327/.466/.508, led the league in on-base percentage, OPS, walks and OPS+, ranked among the top 10 in the league in batting average, slugging percentage, runs scored and stolen bases, won a Gold Glove at second base, and was the MVP of the National League. Adjusted to current levels of offense, Morgan hit approximately .330 with a .470 on-base percentage and a .570 slugging percentage, while stealing 67 bases at an 87% clip.And then he went ahead and did even better the next year, hitting .320/.444/.576 while leading the league in on-base percentage, slugging percentage, OPS and OPS+, ranking second in runs scored, RBIs, walks, extra-base hits and stolen bases, and winning another Gold Glove at second base on his way to back-to-back NL MVPs. Translated to today's levels of offense, that works out to around .325/.455/.660, which is absolutely amazing.
Nip you checking in on a blackberry? How's the flight?
I'm actually still in the airport. Some dude ran into the international terminal with a sparkler, shut the whole thing down. I don't mind, decent bar here at LAX....
 
Doesn't look like Pumpnick is around so unless he PM'd someone we are stalled for the evening. :( We were starting to roll to.

 
Can I officially kick Capella in the balls?
yes. go for two shots just to be safe.
I think I should have one for each position Pete Rose plays:1B2B3BLFCFRFTo make Capella feel better: The Devil Rays signed OF Danny Bautista today. :mellow:
Doesn't he just start Rose at the position he played in year 3? Is he going to pull a Magic and not start him in the right position?
 
I have my next top 3 players (I pick in three picks), but am going out of town until next Tuesday. I really don't want to PM cappella my picks as I pick again in round three after he has two picks, and he'll probably take one of my guys. That being said, I'll see you next tuesday, and we'll resume then. Thanks all.
We'll miss ya. So who replaces Nipsey?
:rotflmao: I thought that as soon as I read his post...and I do realize that I'm like 4 pages behind, I've been gone since I made my picks, though, give me a break... lol
 
We determined in the rules thread that 100 games at a position made a player eligable for that given position. It's the team managers choice where to play multi position eligable players.

 
Nolan Ryan

He had a lot of losses, which could be the only reason he fell this far. But when you play over two decades for the Mets, Angels, Astros, and Rangers you gotta expect a lot of losses. Heck in 1987 he pitched 211 innings striking out 270 with a 2.76 ERA, yet he went 8-16. Outside the win/loss column, the guy is a stud.
ERA is a little shaky too. 5 of his 8 losing seasons his ERA was above league average. 3.19 for his career isn't exactly lights out.I don't think he's a bad pick at this point - I've argued against Ryan many times when people who don't know what they're talking about tout him as the best pitcher ever, but this spot, while higher than I'd take him, seems reasonable.

You could certainly use the argument that with his overpowering nature and gaudy K numbers, he's better suited to pitch against a lineup of all-time greats.

 
Can I officially kick Capella in the balls?
yes. go for two shots just to be safe.
I think I should have one for each position Pete Rose plays:1B2B3BLFCFRF
:yes: Pete = good. Flexibility to go with the baserunning and the offense.Nipsey, how'd you pass over this guy?Oh, lastresort..shouldn't have filled me in on your strategy..I knew you were going Rose if I didn't, and I knew you were taking Collins after. Want me to predict your next pick? ;)
 
Spock/lastresort you could PM picks for the morning if you won't be around, be nice to finish round 3 before the weekend.

 
Nipsey, how'd you pass over this guy?
I think he's a sexy player, but for the sim, his salary numbers are putrid. Also, IMO Morgan was the best player on the Big Red Machine teams. I don't think Pete is a top-top positional guy, but he did play the longest, played the hardest and got the most hits. He's great, but for our purposes I don't think he's a second rounder....tough to pass on him as his name alone will get you votes.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Can I officially kick Capella in the balls?
yes. go for two shots just to be safe.
I think I should have one for each position Pete Rose plays:1B2B3BLFCFRF
:yes: Pete = good. Flexibility to go with the baserunning and the offense.Nipsey, how'd you pass over this guy?Oh, lastresort..shouldn't have filled me in on your strategy..I knew you were going Rose if I didn't, and I knew you were taking Collins after. Want me to predict your next pick? ;)
Gehrig at SS. Count on it. :football: BTW, are there any "rules" on position eligibility or what? I was gonna ask earlier, but now I'm really gonna ask.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top