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(Robinson) had ONE season above 100 RBIs, never hit 20 homers ...
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True, but he wasn't a clean-up hitter. Jackie was mostly a top-of-the-order guy -- a role in which he excelled. Check out his runs scored and OB%.
 
Jackie Robinson 2b/IF/OF....he'll play 2nd for me, but could move around in a pinch.
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I'm thinking that is a little bit of a reach, he was a great man who did something that deserves a lot of respect...BUT, I am not sure he is one of the top 50 PLAYERS ever... he is probably one of the top 10 MEN who played, did one of the top few things anyone who ever played did...but... unfortunately, breaking the color-barrier doesn't help you win this...
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Larry....you are a dumb ###.
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why? Especially if this is a career thing... he played 10 years...of course, the last 2 weren't anything to write home about...he had ONE season above 100 RBIs, never hit 20 homers, one season above .340 BA, one season AT .440 OB (none higher than that), one season above 30 stolen bases...his best year was great... 1949 30 BRO NL 156 593 122 203 38 12 16 124 37 86 27 .342 .432 .528 313 17 8 22but after that, what? 1952 33 BRO NL 149 510 104 157 17 3 19 75 24 7 106 40 .308 .440 .465 237 6 14 16that would be his second best probably... what's his third?as a major league baseball player, he was not that great of a player... He was a great man... but top 50 player ever?? I'm not sure about that....He belongs in this draft, but I am just not convinced its this high...
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you do realize those 10 years came AFTER he turned 28 (they used to not like darky's too much in this country)....he hit .311 for his career even though much of it was past his prime. I'm not even going to argue this. His 3rd best season on whatif he hit .308 and walked nearly 3 times as often as he struck out in case you were worried about me not looking it up.
 
Bob GibsonNL MVP 1968Two time World Series MVPEight time All Star#12 on career strikeout list56 career shutouts255 career complete games5 time 20 game winnerOne of the fercest competitors ever in the game and atop the list of all time big game pitchers. If my squad is in a game seven, I want Gibson on the mound.Post season line:WLser - 2-1G - 9GS - 9ERA - 1.89W-L - 7-2CG - 8SHO - 2IP - 81H - 55ER - 17BB - 17SO - 92From ESPN

When it came to winning "the big game," there were few pitchers who compared with Bob Gibson. As outstanding as the St. Louis Cardinals' scowling righthander was at other times, he was at his most ferocious when the spotlight shined brightest. Twice in the 1960s this fierce competitor won the seventh game of the World Series (and he might have done it a third time if not for a misjudged fly ball). He holds Series records for winning seven consecutive games and pitching eight straight complete games. And nobody has ever struck out as many batters in a Series game (17) or in a Series (35). Not that the intense Gibson was a slouch in the regular season. One doesn't get into the Hall of Fame just for October successes. In a 10-year stretch, Gibson averaged 19 wins a season. In a six-year period, he was a 20-game winner five times (the only time he missed was when he was sidelined two months in 1967 after taking Roberto Clemente's line drive on the leg). And there was that marvelous year of 1968 when Gibson entered the record book for compiling a 1.12 ERA, the lowest number by a National League pitcher in modern times. The 6-foot-1, 190-pounder threw 13 shutouts, five consecutively, and in one 92-inning stretch, he allowed only two earned runs. He won the MVP and the first of his two Cy Young Awards. An intimidating presence who believed the inside part of the plate belonged to him, the hard thrower was the second pitcher in history (Walter Johnson was the first) to strike out 3,000 batters. Overcoming injury and illness, "Hoot" (he was nicknamed after the old cowboy Hoot Gibson) compiled a 251-174 record in his 17 seasons - all with the Cardinals. His 2.91 ERA is ninth lowest of all modern pitchers with at least 3,000 innings. Gibson was mean and tough on the mound. And not just to the opposition. Once, when catcher Tim McCarver walked out to settle down Gibson, the pitcher told him to get back behind the plate. "The only thing you know about pitching," Gibson said, "is how hard it is to hit." Gibson himself was a good hitter for a pitcher, batting .303 one year and slugging 26 homers in his career, including two in the World Series. A superb fielder, he won nine straight Gold Gloves from 1965 to 1973. The youngest of seven children, he was born on Nov. 9, 1935, in Omaha, Neb. His father died of tuberculosis before his birth and his mother Victoria worked in a laundry as she raised her kids in an Omaha ghetto. Gibson's early years were filled with many medical troubles: rickets, pneumonia, asthma, hay fever and a heart problem. Despite all the illnesses, Gibson became an all-around athlete, starring in baseball, basketball and track in high school. He accepted a basketball scholarship from Creighton in his hometown after he was turned down by Indiana, which already had its quota of black athletes. He also played baseball for Creighton and the Cardinals were impressed enough that they gave him a small bonus to sign in 1957. However, before deciding that he would devote himself exclusively to baseball, he played basketball one winter with the Harlem Globetrotters. It seems an odd pairing, the serious Gibson and the fun-loving Trotters. But just like the Globetrotters, who almost always won, Gibson always expected to win. He didn't do much of it, though, in his first two seasons (1959 and '60) with the Cardinals, going 6-11. He became a regular in the rotation in 1961 and though he led the National League in walks with 119, he went 13-12 with a 3.24 ERA. Improving his control and curve, Gibson had a 15-13 record with a 2.85 ERA in 1962. It also was the first of nine 200-strikeout seasons (208, compared to 95 walks). Gibson was on his way. In the next 10 seasons, he won 191 games. In 1964, the Cardinals rallied to overtake Philadelphia, winning the pennant by a game over the Phillies and Cincinnati Reds. Gibson did his part by winning nine of his last 11 decisions, including the pennant clincher as a reliever on the season's final day, to give him a 19-12 record. What made his performance even more impressive was that he pitched much of the season with severe arthritis in his right elbow, causing him quite a bit of pain. Gibson lost his first Series start to the New York Yankees in Game 2. He pitched eight innings, the only time he would fail to complete a game in nine Series starts. He gained a complete-game, 10-inning victory in Game 5 and then, pitching on two days rest and in pain, won the seventh game. The score was 8-5, with all the Yankees runs coming on three homers. "He pitched the last three innings on guts," manager Johnny Keane said about the Series MVP. Three years later, Gibson won the postseason honor again. He had missed two months of the 1967 season because of the Clemente line drive that broke his leg, but returned to pitch the pennant clincher against the Phillies in September. This was his only non-20-win season from 1965 to 1970, as he went 13-7. His teammates were delighted he was back as he won Games 1, 4 and 7 of the Series, limiting the Boston Red Sox to just three runs and 14 hits while striking out 26 in 27 innings. In 1968, Gibson dominated. Completing 28 of his 34 starts (304 2/3 innings), he went 22-9, with a 15-game winning streak. He won his only strikeout title with 268. The opening game of the Series matched, for the first time, Cy Young Award winners. Gibson was up to the challenge, striking out a record 17 Tigers in outdueling 31-game winner Denny McLain, 4-0. He beat McLain again in Game 4, and also homered in the 10-1 rout. Gibson had a different mound opponent in Game 7, Mickey Lolich, and the two locked up in a scoreless battle until centerfielder Curt Flood uncharacteristically misjudged a fly ball, allowing Jim Northrup's drive in the seventh inning to land for a two-run triple. While Gibson lost 4-1, he set the strikeout record with 35. In his nine Series games, Gibson had a 7-2 record with a 1.89 ERA and 92 strikeouts in 81 innings. The overpowering pitching by Gibson, McLain and others contributed to a significant change for 1969 - the lowering of the mound five inches in order to put more offense back into the game. It didn't bother Gibson much as he went 20-13 with a 2.18 ERA and 269 strikeouts. In 1970, he won a career-high 23 games, against just seven losses, with a personal-best 274 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA. This performance earned him his second Cy Young Award. Gibson pitched his only no-hitter on Aug. 14, 1971, striking out 10 Pirates and walking three in an 11-0 victory. Arthritis and injuries took their toll and Gibson had losing records his final two seasons. He joined Johnson in the 3,000-strikeout club when he fanned the Reds' Cesar Geronimo on July 17, 1974 on his way to a total of 3,117 strikeouts. When he retired at 40 after going 3-10 in 1975, he had 56 shutouts and had completed 255 of his 482 starts. Gibson became a part owner of a bank and radio station in Omaha. He also stayed in baseball as an attitude coach of the New York Mets (1981), Atlanta Braves pitching coach (1982-84) and Cardinals bullpen coach (1995), as a television analyst and as a consultant to former American League president Gene Budig. Since 1996 he has worked for the Cardinals as a special instructor for their pitchers during spring training.
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I don't think, makes him a top 50 player...
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Yeah, but that dosn't so much matter in a team-assembly draft. Value is derived in other ways besides raw stats.Any MLB Top 50 list will be weighted towards certain positions -- mostly OF, 1B, and SPs high in Ks. So be it. But in a draft like this, you need to fill an entire roster out, and you need to get good value at thinner positions.
 
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I don't think, makes him a top 50 player...
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Yeah, but that dosn't so much matter in a team-assembly draft.Any MLB Top 50 list will be weighted towards certain positions -- mostly OF, 1B, and SPs high in Ks. So be it. But in a draft like this, you need to fill an entire roster out, and you need to get good value at thinner positions.
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I'd rather argue that I just saw Jesus Christ riding a fire breathing dragon down main street than that Jackie Robinson doesn't belong at the tail end of the third round of a baseball draft.
 
Considered Jackie Robinson and Bob Gibson with my Ott pick. I don't think you can argue against either being a great pick around this point.

 
I don't think, makes him a top 50 player...
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Yeah, but that dosn't so much matter in a team-assembly draft.Any MLB Top 50 list will be weighted towards certain positions -- mostly OF, 1B, and SPs high in Ks. So be it. But in a draft like this, you need to fill an entire roster out, and you need to get good value at thinner positions.
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I'd rather argue that I just saw Jesus Christ riding a fire breathing dragon down main street than that Jackie Robinson doesn't belong at the tail end of the third round of a baseball draft.
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:rotflmao:
 
Bob GibsonNL MVP 1968Two time World Series MVPEight time All Star#12 on career strikeout list56 career shutouts255 career complete games5 time 20 game winnerOne of the fercest competitors ever in the game and atop the list of all time big game pitchers. If my squad is in a game seven, I want Gibson on the mound.
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Bob Gibson's an interesting player to evaluate for this thing. If the sim was based on best season, his 1968 would make a strong case for him as #1 overall pick. The rest of his career was not as amazing, but still excellent. This is probably a fair spot for him overall.
 
I don't think, makes him a top 50 player...
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Yeah, but that dosn't so much matter in a team-assembly draft.Any MLB Top 50 list will be weighted towards certain positions -- mostly OF, 1B, and SPs high in Ks. So be it. But in a draft like this, you need to fill an entire roster out, and you need to get good value at thinner positions.
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I'd rather argue that I just saw Jesus Christ riding a fire breathing dragon down main street than that Jackie Robinson doesn't belong at the tail end of the third round of a baseball draft.
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:boxing: That's almost Nipsey quality there
 
I don't think, makes him a top 50 player...
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Yeah, but that dosn't so much matter in a team-assembly draft.Any MLB Top 50 list will be weighted towards certain positions -- mostly OF, 1B, and SPs high in Ks. So be it. But in a draft like this, you need to fill an entire roster out, and you need to get good value at thinner positions.
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I'd rather argue that I just saw Jesus Christ riding a fire breathing dragon down main street than that Jackie Robinson doesn't belong at the tail end of the third round of a baseball draft.
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:rotflmao:
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that actually made me laugh really hard..
 
Guys I am back. Had a pleasant change of plans (cancelled meeting). I was going to communicate via phone w/ cappy for my next pick, but I will be around.And how was Seaver not on someones short list! It was very close between he and another picther, and Ill get to a write up soon, but many consider Seaver to be a top 10 player overall. In fact, he was voted #9 or 10 best pitcher of all time by a certain baseball fanatics forum I have "come accross" - one slot ahead of my next choice.

 
koya--tom seaver
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Not at the top of my short list, but close. Now I have to be nervous.
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For me, Seaver was right there with Brett and a few other guys. Koya done did good.
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Thanks Doug. I was pleasantly surprised he was still there. Obviously it is all personal opinion, but at least 4-5 pitcher went off the board that I have ranked after Seaver. Plus, I am a Mets fan that never really got to see him play. Seaver is a Met, if you think he is a Sox, then Im not winning that vote. haha.

 
Amen about the coffee. I'll take Ernie Banks. 5 40-HR run seasons. 512 career HRs. 2 MVP awards. Mr. Cub.
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Nice pick. Got down to him and Jackson for me. Impossible decision. Part of me wishes I took Banks. Nice work.
 
I'm up hmmm there are two guys I'm torn between here, considering who is up before my next pick might be a run on pitchers so I'll go in that direction.

Whith pick #13 in round Three the Curse Reversing Idiots select:

Bob Gibson

Write-up coming just wanted to get the name out ther to keep the pace.
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Yup ... :wall: Another on that short list with Seaver and Brett.

...

Sing it, Freddie:

... and another one's down

and another one's down

another one bites the dust!

:(
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I really wanted to pick Gibson. However, I could not put him above about 4-5 other pictchers. He had that one UNGODLY year, but outside of that, as intimidating and great as he was, I have him a round later.

That said, I wanted him on my team.

 
Bob GibsonNL MVP 1968Two time World Series MVPEight time All Star#12 on career strikeout list56 career shutouts255 career complete games5 time 20 game winnerOne of the fercest competitors ever in the game and atop the list of all time big game pitchers. If my squad is in a game seven, I want Gibson on the mound.
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Bob Gibson's an interesting player to evaluate for this thing. If the sim was based on best season, his 1968 would make a strong case for him as #1 overall pick. The rest of his career was not as amazing, but still excellent. This is probably a fair spot for him overall.
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Actually, I would not be surprised to see those late 60s years to be looked upon with a critical computer sim eye. It was as much a ptichers era as ever.
 
Fank bleeping Thomas in round 3? This one is way out of left field IMHO.
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Thomas has played 15 years, and his top several seasons will match up with anyone's. You gotta like a true power hitter that doesn't fritter away his average chasing bad pitches. Thomas has an amazing batting eye -- at his best, an eye on par with Barry Bonds, IMHO.What exactly is the problem?
 
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Congrat Larry on picking a guy in the 3rd round who may not even make the HOF. Granted he had a high ceiling and will be good in the Sim, but this is a horrible pick from an historical standpoint.

 
Fank bleeping Thomas in round 3? This one is way out of left field IMHO.
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Thomas has played 15 years, and his top several seasons will match up with anyone's. What exactly is the problem?
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Statisticaly hitting maybe, but other than that he's pretty suspect(defense, speed, leadership etc.).Just doesn't pop into my mind when I think all time grreats. The SIM is not my #1 priority, that is the route I have chosen to take in this, Thomas may be balls to the wall in whatif but in real life I'm not impressed by his "overall game". :2cents:
 
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Fank bleeping Thomas in round 3? This one is way out of left field IMHO.
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Thomas has played 15 years, and his top several seasons will match up with anyone's. What exactly is the problem?
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I agree.While Thomas is a liability on defense and the basepaths, and plays a deep position, his hitting numbers (especially OBP) are more than worthy of a pick here. He's 13th all time in adjusted OPS.
 
Actually, I would not be surprised to see those late 60s years to be looked upon with a critical computer sim eye. It was as much a ptichers era as ever.
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You're going to have to explain what the hell this means, 'cause I'm not buying it.If player X has a higher salary that player Y, player X is going to beat him consistantly, no? I see this sim like poker. If Babe Ruth is A-K and Frank Thomas is Q-10, big slick is going to win how ever many percent of the time. I think it's like that. They take the raw salary numbers (starting hand) and throw in a bit variable like stadium, etc... (the flop). Stop with the BS about the '60's being a pitching era, his salary is his salary.....
 
Pick 3.16Charlie GehringerBats: L Throws: RPlayed: 1924-1942Lived: 1903-1993Played for: The Detroit Tigers (1924-1942)best seasons: 1937 34 DET AL 144 564 133 209 40 1 14 96 11 4 90 25 .371 .458 .520 293 5 1 1934 31 DET AL 154 601 134 214 50 7 11 127 11 8 99 25 .356 .450 .517 311 5 3 1936 33 DET AL 154 641 144 227 60 12 15 116 4 1 83 13 .354 .431 .555 356 3 4 1935 32 DET AL 150 610 123 201 32 8 19 108 11 4 79 16 .330 .409 .502 306 17 3 Accomplishments/Awards:6-time All Star (1933-1938)1-time AL MVP (1937)Top 10 in MVP voting 7 other times (1928, 1932-1936, 1938).320 career BA.404 career OBP.480 career Slugging2839 hits184 home runs1427 RBIsled league in BA once (1937)top 5 in BA 4 other times (1933-1936)Top 10 OBP 8 times (1933-1940)Led League in Runs Scored 2 times (1929, 1934)Top 10 in Runs Scored 10 times (1927, 1928, 1930, 1932, 1933, 1935-1938, 1940)Led League in Hits twice (1929, 1934)He was a great player who made good contact... A great defender at second base... He is gonna get on base and score runs...

 
Fank bleeping Thomas in round 3? This one is way out of left field IMHO.
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Thomas has played 15 years, and his top several seasons will match up with anyone's. You gotta like a true power hitter that doesn't fritter away his average chasing bad pitches. Thomas has an amazing batting eye -- at his best, an eye on par with Barry Bonds, IMHO.What exactly is the problem?
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Thomas is a fine player (especially for the sim). Just think he could have been selected much later, especially at that deep position.
 
I considered Gehringer....Jackie's speed pushed him over the top for me.plus I just like him...he represents everything that is right about athletics imo.

 
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MLB PLAYER DRAFTUpdated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- P CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.02 Spartans --

 
Now we start getting into the "should I take best available" or "should I fill a position of need" portion of the draft, should be some tough choices coming up.

 
4.1Frank "The Big Hurt" ThomasBats: R Throws: RPlayed: 1990-currentLived: 1968-currentPlayed for: Chicago White Sox (1990-current)Best Years: 1996 28 CHW AL 141 527 110 184 26 0 40 134 1 1 109 70 .349 .459 .626 330 0 8 26 5 25 1993 25 CHW AL 153 549 106 174 36 0 41 128 4 2 112 54 .317 .426 .607 333 0 13 23 2 10 1994 26 CHW AL 113 399 106 141 34 1 38 101 2 3 109 61 .353 .487 .729 291 0 7 12 2 151997 29 CHW AL 146 530 110 184 35 0 35 125 1 1 109 69 .347 .456 .611 324 0 7 9 3 15Accomplishments/Awards:5-time All Star (1993-1997)2-time AL MVP (1993, 1994)6-time Top 10 AL MVP (1991, 1992, 1995-1997, 2000)Led League in OBP 4 times (1991, 1992, 1994, 1997)Top 5 in OBP 4 other times (1993, 1995, 1996, 2000)#3 Active OBP#11 All Time OBPLed League in Slugging 1 time (1994)Top 5 in Slugging 6 other times (1991-1993, 1995, 1997, 2000)top 10 in Slugging 2 other times (1996, 2003) (#6 both times)#8 Active Slugging#16 All-Time SluggingLed League in OPS 4 times (1991, 1992, 1994, 1997)Top 5 In OPS 4 other times (1993, 1995, 1996, 2000)#6 OPS in 2003#4 Active OPS#10 All Time OPSTop 5 Home Runs 6 times (1991, 1993-1995, 2000, 2003)Top 10 Home Runs 2 other times (1996, 1997)Led League in Walks 4 times (1991, 1992, 1994, 1995)#2 Actve Walks#19 All Time WalksQuite frankly, Frank Thomas is almost as good as Barry Bonds at the plate and he plays 1B rather than OF...His stretch from 1991-1997 is one of the greatest ever, and he hasn't let up at the plate still 8 years later...He is a shoe-in for hte hall of fame... 436 home runs, 1439 RBIs, 2113 hits, career .308 BA, career .429 OBP, career .567 Slugging...he will be a Hall of Famer... And he is a great pick to anchor my batting order...

 
I'm from Chicago. Frank was as tough an out as they come in his prime....to say he's "almost as good as Bonds" at the plate is insane though.oh, and Bonds is a Gold Glove LF'er....Frank is an embarrasement in the field and usually won't even go out there.

 
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This pick is more for the vote than the sim, although I think he'll be a solid sim player as well...

Carl Yastrzemski, OF

First ballot Hall-of-Famer, seven gold gloves, 1967 Triple Crown, 3 batting titles, 5 time OBP leader, 3 time slugging leader, 4 time OPS leader, tons of win shares, and so on...

Just an excellent all-around ballplayer and a winner all the way around.

 
Arky Vaughan SS/IF/OF

left-handed hitting ss who can alternate w/ Jackie between the 1 and 2 slot in the batting order depending on the pitcher we face.

 
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This pick is more for the vote than the sim, although I think he'll be a solid sim player as well...Carl Yastrzemski, OFFirst ballot Hall-of-Famer, seven gold gloves, 1967 Triple Crown, 3 batting titles, 5 time OBP leader, 3 time slugging leader, 4 time OPS leader, tons of win shares, and so on...Just an excellent all-around ballplayer and a winner all the way around.
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I like it. One of my favorites. Can't really go wrong with him, was hoping he was going to slide....
 
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