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Yes. In fact, it happens all the time with slap hitters. For example:Omar Vizquel (2000): .377 OBP, .375 SLGEven with 7 HR, 66 RBI, Vizquel managed to have a higher OBP than SLG. It usually happens when a player has an inordinately high OBP compared to their batting average. In the Vizquel example, his OBP was 90 points higher than his batting average.
Finally we agree! haha. Honestly, unlike the NBA draft, I am VERY happy with how this roster is coming out. Considering my 1-2 pitching punch is as good as anyone on the board (IMO, others will differ Im sure), I was concerned about my offense. I thought I would have to go D and Speed to compensate. However, the anti modern bias really helped me out by getting a premier CF, and a SS that many believe was/is one of the best to ever play the game, and unmatched offensively even by Banks (they are at the least, very close). All the while, I am above average defensively at my positoins so far, and best defense of their era in Schmidt and Griff. What Mize does most, is make sense of my order. I no longer have to put in a guy to the #3 that is more suited to be 4 or 5. Plus, I get a good old timer for some nice era to era balance. While the cronins and applings are good, they are also #2 or #8 hitters (well, I dont know as much bout cronin as I should I could be wrong). ARod is a viable 3, 4 or 5 - and will end up being 6 or 2 in my lineup.while I really like your teams makeup, I wonder how you will find pitching? Also, since you didnt like my previous picks, Im not sure why Banks would be considered so much better than A Rod - I believe they are both in the same tier with Arky, although different players. Wagner is his own tier. Only A Rod playing an entire career, and going to 650 ot 700+ homeruns with a near or above .300 average would infringe upon that... and even had he kept to SS, it is WAY to early to talk about that.Mize is one of the few picks of yours I agree with. He was the one guy I was hoping would slip to me this round
harrier... do you not put ARod in the that tier? personally, my SS list looks like this:Wagner Tier 0. Its his own universe. Tier 2: ARod, Banks, Arky in that orderTier 2a:Ripken, Yountfrom here I see a precipitous drop to Appling and Cronin. After that, ouch.I also use todays inflated numbers against ARod, and give Banks some benefit of the doubt in that regard, so they are very similar in my estimation. Arky I am merely going by what I have read over the last week.
Tim Belcher?Pffffttt.....there's still lots of pitching left.
if you're giving Banks the benefit of the doubt regarding #s, why isn't Yount and, on a lesser scale, Ripken being given that same consideration?
freaky. that's exactly how my list reads.p.s. if Nipsey was serious, i'm ready to pick.
there is a lot of pitching yet, but none that compare to a large part of the guys already taken...Pffffttt.....there's still lots of pitching left.
SHHHHHHHHH!!!!Tim Belcher?Pffffttt.....there's still lots of pitching left.
Yount and Ripken do get a lot of consideration for numbers. Now that I have been researching Schmidt, I know what a tough era for hitting that was.Even so, their peaks and their consistency simply are not in the same league as ARod and Banks (I cant speak for Arky, Im only going on others opinions, who know more than I do). Ripken would hit .320 some years, and 270 others. he would hit a ton of HRs, and then a bushel full.Yount was more consistent, but never rose to the level where he could be considered the greatest EVER at the position.While ARod can not be considered there yet either, he has a full decade that was as good as ANYone not names Honus... in my opinion better than anyone else. However, Banks had some great years as well, and due to the eras, has to be included in that talk.PS - As an Orioles fan, its not easy to say Ripken is already in my eyes not the SS that ARod was, and harder to say Eddie Murray was never close to a Mize, and as great as Eddie was, in a TOUGH hitting era during his young prime, he cant compare with the elite 1st baseman as far as "how good they were" - he does compare with them re: careers. If that makes sense.
But remember, even in tier 0, in baseball, its better to have a tier 1 Pitcher.. a lefty at that. Not sure there is a tier 0 pitcher to be honest with you... but that small tier one of W. Johnson, Lefty, C. Matty, Alexander - and quickly behind it Randy Johnson - have more effect on a game than Honus ever could.IF somehow Honus was ALSO the best ever or very close to the best ever defensive SS, then maybe he could have become a force ala Ruth (not saying ruth had the great defense, but if Wagner is tier 0, Ruth is negative infinity), meaning the rarest of position players (one in all of baseballs history) that trumps pitching ,IMO.
Craig Biggio, aka Bill James' Love Child.
I think he's just on vacation until Thursday.
Yeah, it's really kinda disgusting, really. James received so much flack for it that he's admitted overrating him and has adjusted his rankings slightly, but really nothing more than window dressing. He still rates Biggio #6 at 2B (now behind Nap Lajoie). I'm not sure that really did anything.Biggio was grossly underrated before James came along. Now I think he's probably being a bit overrated, but he's closer now to being properly acknowledged than he was a few years ago.
He was to be my secret weapon in the 2 Hole.
He really gets hurt by the anti modern bias. For one, he is not one of his generations BEST players... even if HoF material (even if lower tier HoF or gray area a bit). Secondly, he started and played half his career before the stats just went stupid, '95 on.... poor Ryne Sandberg had his entire prime before that outburst, which certainly hurts his cause, fair or not (and its not)
I hadn't even thought about that. Biggio broke in as a catcher. He actually qualifies at 2B, C, and OF. Pretty nice.
ARod is definitely not in that tier yet--but I think he will be. Having Yount and Banks in that tier without Appling and Cronin shows the (almost omnipresent) bias toward players that played when middle-aged guys now were growing up. It's the same reason players from today and players from the 30's are downed. My tiers look like this:1. Honus, Arky2. Banks, Appling, Cronin, ARod3. Ripken, Yount, XXXX (not picked yet), XXXX4. Big drop to everyone else.
That sounds fair. I will say this - personally, I try to "even the playing field" era to era as best I can. However, I can only do that with players I am familiar with.It is not a problem for me to, in my mind, put the era of the 30's which saw ridiculous numbers against a player from the late 60's - provided I know a lot about them. This goes back to the Wagners etc.However, there are some players tha tnaturally get a little lost in the shuffle. I am not saying Cronnin or Appling arent deserving... but I do not know that they are, either.From what I know about the game, I have them in a tier a little after... then again, ten days ago Arky didnt exist to me, and he is not in a tier with Banks and ARod to me.Ill look up more about the others - but I dont see their offense being a dominant enough force (from what I know) to compare with a Banks or Arod - especially since the latter two were not bad defensive players themselves.
We probably almost all "grew up" with baseball. I know a lot more about MLB players not as good as Nate Thurmond, than I ever knew about Nate, going into the NBA draft. I know about MLB in the 1800's, and many others seem to as well!Add that to the fact that (1) Baseball is th eAmerican pastime and is so often talked about cross-era and (2) the game of Baseball is easier to understand from stats, so we can go look up a player like Arky Vaughn and see his value and then go back to point (1), read about experts opinions on those unknowns, and you have a far more informed group than we had for NBA.I did think I would be able to sneak some guys late. Ironically, it went the opposite way I thought. I figured ARod would go long before Arky, and I would get a SS almost as good much later. In that way, I was wrong. I-Rod lasted longer than I thought also. I would have taken him over a couple of catchers already off the board.
Like Bret Boone?I find it interesting that Bonds gets slammed for "performance enhancers" and bulked up middle infielders don't...
I find it interesting that Bonds gets slammed for "performance enhancers" and bulked up middle infielders don't...
I'm trying to keep in mind as I'm drafting guys that I'm building a real lineup. Guys like Banks and A-Rod are dominant offensive players but will cause teams to look for defense and high OB/BA elsewhere. Unless someone thinks that a lineup full of homerun hitters can win. Cronin and Appling fit in real well for someone like me who has 90 homeruns at the corner positions. Yount is an awesome SS and I was ready to draft him but right center is cavernous in Sportsman's Park so maybe I'm better off with a SS who's not swinging for the fences. Cronin's 82nd alltime in extra base hits, mainly doubles, so he looks to be a player that can take advantage of the gaps without hitting 410 foot flyouts. All speculation on my part but these are the kinds of things I think about when considering guys. The tough part is not knowing how any of this might play out in the SIM. For voting purposes I'd imagine Yount will have it all over Cronin and Appling and is part of why I had him slightly higher.
are you saying Yount just swang for the fences??? Yount is 30th all-time in EBH and never was in the top 10 for Home Runs...*confused*
he's been on the site this morning...
And it was a good pick to 
