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***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

7.10 - Tim Keefe - SP

This triple crown winner has 342 Wins (8th All-Time), with a 2.62 ERA and 1.12 WHIP, both ranked all-time. He is third all-time in complete games (554-3rd) and has 39 career shutouts. Add over 2500 strikeouts and you have a nice foundation to build your pitching staff on.

EDIT: Just to add his "third best" season was 32-13 with a 1.58 ERA and a 1.01 WHIP and an over 2-1 K to BB ratio. I'll take it.
Through 110 picks (or something close to that), we have over a 2:1 ratio, position players vs. staff. We know you need to fill out 8 slots to a lineup to only 4-5 starters, but I am surprised at some of the pitching still out there. Some teams might do themselves well with a couple key pickups now... but I think there may be a couple staffs that could have trouble going against some of the more potent lineups. To date:

Pitchers: 33 Taken.

Pos. Players: 77 Taken.

No team has all Position players, everyone took at least one pitcher. 6 teams already have 3 Pitchers (with 5 atill to go in the round). 4 teams only have one pitcher, so far.

 
Ok, got my list ready. I'm like sleepwalking through the process.I'll send to Capella for sure. Koya, you around to take a copy too?
yeah go ahead spartans. whichever of us get here first in the morn will post it (well, I shouldnt speak for Cap, but I assume he will!) once you are up.
 
7.10 - Tim Keefe - SP

This triple crown winner has 342 Wins (8th All-Time), with a 2.62 ERA and 1.12 WHIP, both ranked all-time. He is third all-time in complete games (554-3rd) and has 39 career shutouts. Add over 2500 strikeouts and you have a nice foundation to build your pitching staff on.

EDIT: Just to add his "third best" season was 32-13 with a 1.58 ERA and a 1.01 WHIP and an over 2-1 K to BB ratio. I'll take it.
Through 110 picks (or something close to that), we have over a 2:1 ratio, position players vs. staff. We know you need to fill out 8 slots to a lineup to only 4-5 starters, but I am surprised at some of the pitching still out there. Some teams might do themselves well with a couple key pickups now... but I think there may be a couple staffs that could have trouble going against some of the more potent lineups. To date:

Pitchers: 33 Taken.

Pos. Players: 77 Taken.

No team has all Position players, everyone took at least one pitcher. 6 teams already have 3 Pitchers (with 5 atill to go in the round). 4 teams only have one pitcher, so far.
Best two pitching staffs:mrharrier and Spock.

It's close between those two, depends whether you prefer WHIP, ERA, ERA+ or whatever else as an indicator.

 
Best two pitching staffs:mrharrier and Spock. It's close between those two, depends whether you prefer WHIP, ERA, ERA+ or whatever else as an indicator.
It is still a little early to call best staffs, but of those with three pitchers, not including my team, I have it:Pump - Walter is the greatest ever. There is debate #2-4, but not for #1. Maddux and Hubble are serious heavyweights. Harrier - I cant say too much about walsh, but Pete Alexander gave me much debate when I took Lefty. He is top 3-4 ever. 3 fingers is another old time great. Spock - I love Koufax, almost as good as anyone - for a short time, maybe better. However, both ryan and carlton are overated in my mind. Great throwers, but not elite of the elite in pitching. Many in baseball do not think ryan is top 20... or at the least around #18-20 overall pitcher. I tend to agree (sorry spock). That said, Spock is drafting for his park, so these picthers may prove that much better in that case. If his strategy works, it could be some low scoring games at home. Nips - Feller fell. Way to far. Fantastic pick. But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers. Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher. I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used. If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early. If I were to put my team into the mix, I like it more than Harriers but, especially with the discussion we had on Maddux, I am not about to say my staff is better or even as good as Pump. Although, I will match up any of mine against his and feel very confident - have to see how the lineups work.ERA+ is important to me because it helps "level the field" pretty well. WHIP is also very important to me. Hopefully that is reflected in my staff as that is what I look for. I also look to Cy Youngs and MVP showing. When a pitcher is considered an MVP candidate, that speaks volumes about how they were feared by their opponents.
 
Nips - Feller fell. Way to far. Fantastic pick. But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers. Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher. I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used. If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early.
Cy Young is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. Enough with your lame shtick.And OF COURSE, Eckersley will be used as a closer. Most dominant closer of all-time (especially if you want to use the "Cy Young had the greatest career, but he's not the best pitcher" argument)
 
Nips - Feller fell. Way to far. Fantastic pick. But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers. Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher. I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used. If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early.
Cy Young is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. Enough with your lame shtick.And OF COURSE, Eckersley will be used as a closer. Most dominant closer of all-time (especially if you want to use the "Cy Young had the greatest career, but he's not the best pitcher" argument)
Calling sincere points of discussion shtick doesnt help anything. On second thought, nevermind - you make it impossible to engage in constructive debate and conversation. Calling someones examples or points "shtick" is an example.You are a hell of a lot of fun, so I would prefer not to get into another dumb arguement because you are calling someone's valid opinion (that happens to be shared by MANY, if and perhaps the majority of those who know baseball) shtick. It becomes a non starter.Anyhoo... I think I have found Larry Boy hanging out on another forum:"(Frank) Thomas is the single best (non-Bonds) player that baseball has seen since Mantle/ Mays/ Aaron/ Robinson." :eek:
 
I think it is a bit early for closers, but that is just a difference of strategy. At the least, Eck gives flexibility. I never said Young is not one of the best pitchers in history. Personally, I think a few were better, even if they did not have the historical place that Young holds. Nothing wrong there... I am sure many think Grover Alexander is better than Lefty and some may say C. Matthewson. Some might even pull for Randy Johnson.

 
Nips - Feller fell.  Way to far.  Fantastic pick.  But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers.  Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher.  I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used.  If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early. 
Cy Young is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. Enough with your lame shtick.And OF COURSE, Eckersley will be used as a closer. Most dominant closer of all-time (especially if you want to use the "Cy Young had the greatest career, but he's not the best pitcher" argument)
Calling sincere points of discussion shtick doesnt help anything. On second thought, nevermind - you make it impossible to engage in constructive debate and conversation. Calling someones examples or points "shtick" is an example.You are a hell of a lot of fun, so I would prefer not to get into another dumb arguement because you are calling someone's valid opinion (that happens to be shared by MANY, if and perhaps the majority of those who know baseball) shtick. It becomes a non starter.Anyhoo... I think I have found Larry Boy hanging out on another forum:"(Frank) Thomas is the single best (non-Bonds) player that baseball has seen since Mantle/ Mays/ Aaron/ Robinson." :eek:
When you harp on a single point/idea/ over and over, that's shtick. Trust me on this.I know you're trying to pump up the Grove pick. I know your shtick by now. Didn't work in the NBA thread, won't work here....
 
Nips - Feller fell.  Way to far.  Fantastic pick.  But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers.  Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher.  I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used.  If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early. 
Cy Young is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. Enough with your lame shtick.And OF COURSE, Eckersley will be used as a closer. Most dominant closer of all-time (especially if you want to use the "Cy Young had the greatest career, but he's not the best pitcher" argument)
Calling sincere points of discussion shtick doesnt help anything. On second thought, nevermind - you make it impossible to engage in constructive debate and conversation. Calling someones examples or points "shtick" is an example.You are a hell of a lot of fun, so I would prefer not to get into another dumb arguement because you are calling someone's valid opinion (that happens to be shared by MANY, if and perhaps the majority of those who know baseball) shtick. It becomes a non starter.Anyhoo... I think I have found Larry Boy hanging out on another forum:"(Frank) Thomas is the single best (non-Bonds) player that baseball has seen since Mantle/ Mays/ Aaron/ Robinson." :eek:
When you harp on a single point/idea/ over and over, that's shtick. Trust me on this.I know you're trying to pump up the Grove pick. I know your shtick by now. Didn't work in the NBA thread, won't work here....
Nips, think whatever the hell you want. You know what? I was not even THINKING of Grove when I was typing my response, except in the context of Grove, C Matt and P Alexander being included as the "next tier" after Johnson. This isnt MY theory, it is accepted in many circles. Some people disagree... as do you. No one is saying Young is not a great pitcher. SOME people think that there are others that are better. That is the point of this draft, to talk about those differences in valuing players, or strategy. I am sorry you must always assume there is some ulterior motive or something. That everything is a shtick. Perhaps it is for you, not for me. You dont agree with my opinion's that is fine. You want to be hell bent on being recognized with the best team, fine. You should not, however, IMO, tell other people what they are "really" doing, thinking and "up to" - when often they are not "up to" anything at all. On that note, nite all.
 
Nips - Feller fell. Way to far. Fantastic pick. But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers. Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher. I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used. If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early.
Cy Young is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. Enough with your lame shtick.And OF COURSE, Eckersley will be used as a closer. Most dominant closer of all-time (especially if you want to use the "Cy Young had the greatest career, but he's not the best pitcher" argument)
Calling sincere points of discussion shtick doesnt help anything. On second thought, nevermind - you make it impossible to engage in constructive debate and conversation. Calling someones examples or points "shtick" is an example.You are a hell of a lot of fun, so I would prefer not to get into another dumb arguement because you are calling someone's valid opinion (that happens to be shared by MANY, if and perhaps the majority of those who know baseball) shtick. It becomes a non starter.Anyhoo... I think I have found Larry Boy hanging out on another forum:"(Frank) Thomas is the single best (non-Bonds) player that baseball has seen since Mantle/ Mays/ Aaron/ Robinson." :eek:
When you harp on a single point/idea/ over and over, that's shtick. Trust me on this.I know you're trying to pump up the Grove pick. I know your shtick by now. Didn't work in the NBA thread, won't work here....
Nips, think whatever the hell you want. You know what? I was not even THINKING of Grove when I was typing my response, except in the context of Grove, C Matt and P Alexander being included as the "next tier" after Johnson. This isnt MY theory, it is accepted in many circles. Some people disagree... as do you. No one is saying Young is not a great pitcher. SOME people think that there are others that are better. That is the point of this draft, to talk about those differences in valuing players, or strategy. I am sorry you must always assume there is some ulterior motive or something. That everything is a shtick. Perhaps it is for you, not for me. You dont agree with my opinion's that is fine. You want to be hell bent on being recognized with the best team, fine. You should not, however, IMO, tell other people what they are "really" doing, thinking and "up to" - when often they are not "up to" anything at all. On that note, nite all.
Just hop in the boat already.. sheesh. :fishy:
 
Nips - Feller fell. Way to far. Fantastic pick. But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers. Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher. I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used. If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early.
Cy Young is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. Enough with your lame shtick.And OF COURSE, Eckersley will be used as a closer. Most dominant closer of all-time (especially if you want to use the "Cy Young had the greatest career, but he's not the best pitcher" argument)
Calling sincere points of discussion shtick doesnt help anything. On second thought, nevermind - you make it impossible to engage in constructive debate and conversation. Calling someones examples or points "shtick" is an example.You are a hell of a lot of fun, so I would prefer not to get into another dumb arguement because you are calling someone's valid opinion (that happens to be shared by MANY, if and perhaps the majority of those who know baseball) shtick. It becomes a non starter.Anyhoo... I think I have found Larry Boy hanging out on another forum:"(Frank) Thomas is the single best (non-Bonds) player that baseball has seen since Mantle/ Mays/ Aaron/ Robinson." :eek:
When you harp on a single point/idea/ over and over, that's shtick. Trust me on this.I know you're trying to pump up the Grove pick. I know your shtick by now. Didn't work in the NBA thread, won't work here....
Nips, think whatever the hell you want. You know what? I was not even THINKING of Grove when I was typing my response, except in the context of Grove, C Matt and P Alexander being included as the "next tier" after Johnson. This isnt MY theory, it is accepted in many circles. Some people disagree... as do you. No one is saying Young is not a great pitcher. SOME people think that there are others that are better. That is the point of this draft, to talk about those differences in valuing players, or strategy. I am sorry you must always assume there is some ulterior motive or something. That everything is a shtick. Perhaps it is for you, not for me. You dont agree with my opinion's that is fine. You want to be hell bent on being recognized with the best team, fine. You should not, however, IMO, tell other people what they are "really" doing, thinking and "up to" - when often they are not "up to" anything at all. On that note, nite all.
dude you have to be joking if you think that rotation is as good as mine. lefty and pete match up well, but the next two? no wayed walsh and three-finger dominate that
 
thats what I mean by your fun. when you arent being a pain in the ###.For the record, you dont have to pump up the 2nd best pitcher ever, so not sure why you would even consider that.MORE amusing is the fact that just an hour ago before I tried to go to bed (GDB insomnia nights) I had a terrible realization when I logged out of here...Nipsey and B. (beuno) piss me off in the exact same way, from exactly different angles (crazy as it sounds, I really did think that very thought. scary). the cosmic ballet, continues.
 
For the record, you dont have to pump up the 2nd best pitcher ever, so not sure why you would even consider that.
Um, isn't this "pumping him up"?
No. that is stating the obvious. (seriously, in the odd chance you are asking seriously, that was a sarcastic on purpose pump him up. thats called playful shtick. honestly, I have not thought about pumping him up since the day I drafted him. you dont have to believe me if you choose not to).By the way, Cy Young wins about 4-5 "hypothetical" cy youngs, himself.
 
For the record, you dont have to pump up the 2nd best pitcher ever, so not sure why you would even consider that.
Um, isn't this "pumping him up"?
:yes: Besides, Pete Alexander among others is better than Lefty.
All of that is certainly up for discussion. Obviously, I had the choice and took Grove, so we know where I stand. But I can see a case for two or three others as the number two. The fact that Grove is a lefty arm gives him bonus points for me, I will admit.My list:Walter JohnsonGrove, Pete AlexMatty, Randy JCyThats my uber elite, with a couple knocking on the door.
 
Agreed. If Lefty pitched today, he'd be around the same as Odalis Perez talent-wise.
please justify your reasoning? thanks.(and, how would Cy then fare, under the same circumstance)
 
If I were to put my team into the mix, I like it more than Harriers ...ERA+ is important to me because it helps "level the field" pretty well. WHIP is also very important to me. \
Sorry, I just noticed this. I'm honestly not trying to be a ####, but when you point to WHIP as one of your indicators, how can you say your two-man staff is better than mine? My guys have 7 of the top 50 WHIP seasons for starters in history. Seaver and Grove combined have zero. It's a great pair, no doubt. But can you honestly rank that ahead of these powerhouses?Edit to add: Also 10 of the top 50 ERA seasons.Also all three are in the top 15 ERA+ all-time.(Though it depends on which lists you consult, with different IP requirements.)
 
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Agreed. If Lefty pitched today, he'd be around the same as Odalis Perez talent-wise.
please justify your reasoning? thanks.(and, how would Cy then fare, under the same circumstance)
They're about on the same skill level and their deliveries are similar. I'm betting most historians would say Odalis is better, MUCH better than Lefty.And how would CY do against today's hitters? Probably even better than he did in his own era.
 
7.10 - Tim Keefe - SP

This triple crown winner has 342 Wins (8th All-Time), with a 2.62 ERA and 1.12 WHIP, both ranked all-time. He is third all-time in complete games (554-3rd) and has 39 career shutouts. Add over 2500 strikeouts and you have a nice foundation to build your pitching staff on.

EDIT: Just to add his "third best" season was 32-13 with a 1.58 ERA and a 1.01 WHIP and an over 2-1 K to BB ratio. I'll take it.
You deserve heaps of jeers. Anyone who would take a pre-1900 pitcher is a loser and a desperate soul, throwing up the white flag, admitting defeat at the hands of better drafters.
 
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In case people missed it I took P Niekro
Sorry, I did miss it.I'm torn between two players, but I'm going to go with Kid Nichols. He slid way way WAY too far already. Couldn't pass up a guy with 360 wins and a .634 win %. His adjusted ERA is 14th all time and rates very favorably with guys like Spahn and Alexander.
You deserve heaps of jeers. Anyone who would take a pre-1900 pitcher is a loser and a desperate soul, throwing up the white flag, admitting defeat at the hands of better drafters.
 
7.10 - Tim Keefe - SP

This triple crown winner has 342 Wins (8th All-Time), with a 2.62 ERA and 1.12 WHIP, both ranked all-time. He is third all-time in complete games (554-3rd) and has 39 career shutouts. Add over 2500 strikeouts and you have a nice foundation to build your pitching staff on.

EDIT: Just to add his "third best" season was 32-13 with a 1.58 ERA and a 1.01 WHIP and an over 2-1 K to BB ratio. I'll take it.
Also--how many IP that season? 579? Yeah, that'll work just fine. So you'll pitch him every other day then, or every third?
 
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7.12 - Rube Waddell - SP

The power pitching lefty I needed.

Elected to the HOF in 1946.

1905 Triple Crown.

Lead the league in ERA twice. Top 10 6 times.

Lead the league in wins once. Top 5 five times.

Lead the league in strikeouts 6 times. Top 5 ten times.

Best thing about this guy is that along with the low ERA (2.16) and WHIP (1.10) he struck guys out. Over 8 K's per 9 innings at his peak. A huge amount of k's for turn of the century pitchers.

Had his best seasons with the Philadelphia A's and the St. Louis Browns. Pitched in Sportsman's Park at the end of his career so he's the first player I matched to my stadium.

More on Rube Waddell.

 
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In case people missed it I took P Niekro
Sorry, I did miss it.I'm torn between two players, but I'm going to go with Kid Nichols. He slid way way WAY too far already. Couldn't pass up a guy with 360 wins and a .634 win %. His adjusted ERA is 14th all time and rates very favorably with guys like Spahn and Alexander.
You deserve heaps of jeers. Anyone who would take a pre-1900 pitcher is a loser and a desperate soul, throwing up the white flag, admitting defeat at the hands of better drafters.
You deserve a swift kick to the nutsac.
 
I'm torn between two players, but I'm going to go with Kid Nichols. He slid way way WAY too far already. Couldn't pass up a guy with 360 wins and a .634 win %. His adjusted ERA is 14th all time and rates very favorably with guys like Spahn and Alexander.
You deserve heaps of jeers. Anyone who would take a pre-1900 pitcher is a loser and a desperate soul, throwing up the white flag, admitting defeat at the hands of better drafters.
i figured someone would react this way about Nichols. His career began the same year as Cy Young.
 
7.10 - Tim Keefe - SP

This triple crown winner has 342 Wins (8th All-Time), with a 2.62 ERA and 1.12 WHIP, both ranked all-time. He is third all-time in complete games (554-3rd) and has 39 career shutouts. Add over 2500 strikeouts and you have a nice foundation to build your pitching staff on.

EDIT: Just to add his "third best" season was 32-13 with a 1.58 ERA and a 1.01 WHIP and an over 2-1 K to BB ratio. I'll take it.
You deserve heaps of jeers. Anyone who would take a pre-1900 pitcher is a loser and a desperate soul, throwing up the white flag, admitting defeat at the hands of better drafters.
I'm sorry, I'll just pick guys from the 1980's and 90's from now on, just to make your ### happy. Rules stated 1885 up and I'm just playing to those rules. I didn't know that pitching before 1900 was "uncool" or a "loser play."

 
Rules stated 1885 up and I'm just playing to those rules. I didn't know that pitching before 1900 was "uncool" or a "loser play."
Mrharrier is being a little harsh.But I do have a personal concern with the way the pre-1893 guys will be simmed. 1893 was the year the pitcher's rubber was moved back from 50' to 60.5'.

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Rules stated 1885 up and I'm just playing to those rules. I didn't know that pitching before 1900 was "uncool" or a "loser play."
Mrharrier is being a little harsh.But I do have a personal concern with the way the pre-1893 guys will be simmed. 1893 was the year the pitcher's rubber was moved back from 50' to 60.5'.

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I'm cool w/ all the picks but whiped everybody who pitched before 1900 off my list. Just personal preference/how I want my team to look. If it costs me some votes or games in the sim it's worth it to have the team I want imo. I'd have proboably took an unbelievable name like Cy Young or somebody, but other than that none of those guys came to mind before the draft started (and yes, I knew all about Arky Vaughan well before we started this) so I wouldn't get much enjoyment from having them fill up my pitching rotation.
 
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With Pick #13 in round Seven the Curse Reversing Idiots select:

"The Human Vacuum Cleaner"

Brooks Robinson 3B

MVP 1964(Top 5 Five times, Top 10 Seven times)

World series MVP 1970

16 SIXTEEN! time gold glove winner

Clutch hitter who should fill the six hole nicely, an oh yeah play a little defense to.

 
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I like strikeout pitchers and not many of those deadball guys get k's. Killebrew is only average to slightly below average defensively so more ground balls isn't good for my pitching staff. But I don't have a problem with someone playing within the rules. When the draft started I thought it was 1900 or after. Clearly that wasn't the case and I just can't read. Matter of fact, I'm curious to see how those guys do against much more powerful hitters.

 
Rules stated 1885 up and I'm just playing to those rules. I didn't know that pitching before 1900 was "uncool" or a "loser play."
Mrharrier is being a little harsh.But I do have a personal concern with the way the pre-1893 guys will be simmed. 1893 was the year the pitcher's rubber was moved back from 50' to 60.5'.

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true, but Keefe shouldn't be looked any different that Cy Young, they pitched during the same time, and noone knocked that pick.
 

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