Nips - Feller fell. Way to far. Fantastic pick. But Cy... all those years understood, is simply outmatched by the best ever pitchers. Cy had the best career, but was not the best pitcher. I like Eck... Nips could move up depending how Eck is used. If it is as a straight starter, then I think he went too early.
Cy Young is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. Enough with your lame shtick.And OF COURSE, Eckersley will be used as a closer. Most dominant closer of all-time (especially if you want to use the "Cy Young had the greatest career, but he's not the best pitcher" argument)
Calling sincere points of discussion shtick doesnt help anything. On second thought, nevermind - you make it impossible to engage in constructive debate and conversation. Calling someones examples or points "shtick" is an example.You are a hell of a lot of fun, so I would prefer not to get into another dumb arguement because you are calling someone's valid opinion (that happens to be shared by MANY, if and perhaps the majority of those who know baseball) shtick. It becomes a non starter.Anyhoo... I think I have found Larry Boy hanging out on another forum:"(Frank) Thomas is the single best (non-Bonds) player that baseball has seen since Mantle/ Mays/ Aaron/ Robinson."
When you harp on a single point/idea/ over and over, that's shtick. Trust me on this.I know you're trying to pump up the Grove pick. I know your shtick by now. Didn't work in the NBA thread, won't work here....
Nips, think whatever the hell you want. You know what? I was not even THINKING of Grove when I was typing my response, except in the context of Grove, C Matt and P Alexander being included as the "next tier" after Johnson. This isnt MY theory, it is accepted in many circles. Some people disagree... as do you. No one is saying Young is not a great pitcher. SOME people think that there are others that are better. That is the point of this draft, to talk about those differences in valuing players, or strategy. I am sorry you must always assume there is some ulterior motive or something. That everything is a shtick. Perhaps it is for you, not for me. You dont agree with my opinion's that is fine. You want to be hell bent on being recognized with the best team, fine. You should not, however, IMO, tell other people what they are "really" doing, thinking and "up to" - when often they are not "up to" anything at all. On that note, nite all.